From: Stewart Stremler Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Hardware Disassembly (VT102) Date: 31 Dec 2000 18:33:24 GMT Organization: San Diego State University Lines: 17 Message-ID: <92nu5k$qv0$1@gondor.sdsu.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: rohan.sdsu.edu X-Trace: gondor.sdsu.edu 978287604 27616 130.191.3.100 (31 Dec 2000 18:33:24 GMT) User-Agent: tin/1.4.2-20000123 ("Polish") (UNIX) (SunOS/5.8 (sun4u)) Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news.tesion.net!news.belwue.de!news-stu1.dfn.de!news-mue1.dfn.de!news.augsburg.net!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newshub.sdsu.edu!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:71915 Okay, I have a digital VT102 terminal, but it's full of crud. It seems to work, but I'd rather clean it out before I actually use it much. The sticker on the case says that it was manufactured in 1983.... It appears that the top and bottom halves of the case are held together by four little white screw-things. (They're basically cylinders with rounded tops, with a slot across the top.) It matters not which way they are turned, nothing happens. Any suggestions as to the best way to approach the dismantling of old hardware (in such a way that it can be re-assembled again)? -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Please consider me as an alternative to | stremler@rohan.sdsu.edu suicide." -Humperdink (_The Princess Bride_) | Stewart Stremler ###### Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!not-for-mail From: Neil Franklin Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Hardware Disassembly (VT102) Date: 31 Dec 2000 20:36:30 +0100 Organization: My own Private Self Lines: 27 Message-ID: <6usnn49ydd.fsf@chonsp.franklin.ch> References: <92nu5k$qv0$1@gondor.sdsu.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: chonsp.franklin.ch X-Trace: chonsp.franklin.ch 978291390 4068 10.0.3.2 (31 Dec 2000 19:36:30 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news@chonsp.franklin.ch NNTP-Posting-Date: 31 Dec 2000 19:36:30 GMT X-Newsreader: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:71944 Stewart Stremler writes: > Okay, I have a digital VT102 terminal, but it's full of crud. It seems > > It appears that the top and bottom halves of the case are held together > by four little white screw-things. (They're basically cylinders with > rounded tops, with a slot across the top.) It matters not which way they > are turned, nothing happens. Sounds like the same construction used on my VT100. These things (at least on the VT100) are not screws. They are catches. There exists an pin (of which you see the head) that is pushed into an hollow bit, that expands at the top and so grips the case. > Any suggestions as to the best way to approach the dismantling of old > hardware (in such a way that it can be re-assembled again)? Try an wide and not too sharp screw driver used as an leaver to push the heads out form the case (in direction of the cylinders axis). -- Neil Franklin, neil@franklin.ch.remove http://neil.franklin.ch/ Hacker, Unix Guru, El Eng FH/BSc, Sysadmin, Roleplayer, LARPer, Mystic ###### From: cmadams@HiWAAY.net (Chris Adams) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Hardware Disassembly (VT102) Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2000 19:37:20 -0000 Organization: HiWAAY Information Services Message-ID: References: <92nu5k$qv0$1@gondor.sdsu.edu> X-Newsreader: trn 4.0-test74 (May 26, 2000) Originator: cmadams@HiWAAY.net (Chris Adams) X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 20 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!tungurahua!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!sn-xit-01!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:71966 Once upon a time, Stewart Stremler said: >It appears that the top and bottom halves of the case are held together >by four little white screw-things. (They're basically cylinders with >rounded tops, with a slot across the top.) It matters not which way they >are turned, nothing happens. You need to stick the end of a paper-clip through the hole in the white post and pull it down. It will pop down (about 1/4 inch IIRC). Once you do that to all of them, the top will lift straight off. I think just about everything inside has the same type of push-pull latch (with thumbscrews to grab on to instead of having to use a paper-clip). It is very easy to completely disassemble the old VT terminals, once you know the first step (and you have a paper-clip). -- Chris Adams Systems and Network Administrator - HiWAAY Internet Services I don't speak for anybody but myself - that's enough trouble. ###### From: Howard S Shubs Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Hardware Disassembly (VT102) Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2000 16:22:49 -0500 Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Lines: 10 Message-ID: References: <92nu5k$qv0$1@gondor.sdsu.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: a5.f7.0a.07 X-Server-Date: 31 Dec 2000 21:22:00 GMT User-Agent: MT-NewsWatcher/3.0 (PPC) X-Face: "S"r{U%bs].&Ud}Pc~~~0a]M:t5l>>EN\1Faw10M9NK1Xq59wo7-"s0S+[{etQorO /Nf-Ci"i9v'MT!R8)J]N[4|2&x1r^Iq&{SB"6dknr0=+6UFb.>+{zMn_1=rw&/V+"d@* ZS5\LoW_ Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news.tesion.net!news.belwue.de!informatik.tu-muenchen.de!news.csl-gmbh.net!blackbush.xlink.net!renate.komtel.net!news.tele.dk!137.192.6.2!msc1.onvoy!onvoy.com!news-out.usenetserver.com!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!news.mindspring.net!hshubs Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:71978 In article <92nu5k$qv0$1@gondor.sdsu.edu>, Stewart Stremler wrote: >Any suggestions as to the best way to approach the dismantling of old >hardware (in such a way that it can be re-assembled again)? using a thin tool, pull the white pins down, then lift the top shell off. -- Howard S Shubs "Run in circles, scream and shout!" "I hope you have good backups!" ###### From: jmfbahciv@aol.com Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Hardware Disassembly (VT102) Date: Mon, 01 Jan 01 12:41:42 GMT Organization: UltraNet Communications, Inc. Lines: 21 Message-ID: <92q206$5vt$3@bob.news.rcn.net> References: <92nu5k$qv0$1@gondor.sdsu.edu> X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVbzg0nqHjPbKVBeJnc/DIFz8RA+yt4cnfq9PasumRoUxuiegV8sh5xf X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 1 Jan 2001 13:51:02 GMT X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #4 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!tungurahua!news-ge.switch.ch!newsfeeds.belnet.be!news.belnet.be!xfer13.netnews.com!netnews.com!feed2.news.rcn.net!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!207-172-216-10 Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:71990 In article <92nu5k$qv0$1@gondor.sdsu.edu>, Stewart Stremler wrote: > >Okay, I have a digital VT102 terminal, but it's full of crud. It seems >to work, but I'd rather clean it out before I actually use it much. The >sticker on the case says that it was manufactured in 1983.... > >It appears that the top and bottom halves of the case are held together >by four little white screw-things. (They're basically cylinders with >rounded tops, with a slot across the top.) It matters not which way they >are turned, nothing happens. > >Any suggestions as to the best way to approach the dismantling of old >hardware (in such a way that it can be re-assembled again)? The incantation "Field Service!!!" usually helped. /BAH Subtract a hundred and four for e-mail. ###### From: Stewart Stremler Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Hardware Disassembly (VT102) Date: 2 Jan 2001 02:49:32 GMT Organization: San Diego State University Lines: 22 Message-ID: <92rfjs$ktb$1@gondor.sdsu.edu> References: <92nu5k$qv0$1@gondor.sdsu.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: rohan.sdsu.edu X-Trace: gondor.sdsu.edu 978403772 21419 130.191.3.100 (2 Jan 2001 02:49:32 GMT) User-Agent: tin/1.4.2-20000123 ("Polish") (UNIX) (SunOS/5.8 (sun4u)) Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!enews.sgi.com!pln-w!extra.newsguy.com!lotsanews.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newshub.sdsu.edu!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:72022 Chris Adams wrote: [snip] > You need to stick the end of a paper-clip through the hole in the white > post and pull it down. It will pop down (about 1/4 inch IIRC). Once > you do that to all of them, the top will lift straight off. Ta-da! That was it. Many thanks. [snip] > It is very easy to completely disassemble the old VT terminals, once you > know the first step (and you have a paper-clip). Have paper-clip. Will disassemble. -- --Stewart Stremler--------------------------------stremler@rohan.sdsu.edu-- Open source cyberspace jacks. Definitely an idea whose time has come. -- Peter da Silva (1999) ###### From: Howard S Shubs Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Hardware Disassembly (VT102) Date: Mon, 01 Jan 2001 22:04:58 -0500 Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Lines: 10 Message-ID: References: <92nu5k$qv0$1@gondor.sdsu.edu> <92rfjs$ktb$1@gondor.sdsu.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: a5.f7.0a.08 X-Server-Date: 2 Jan 2001 03:04:07 GMT User-Agent: MT-NewsWatcher/3.0 (PPC) X-Face: "S"r{U%bs].&Ud}Pc~~~0a]M:t5l>>EN\1Faw10M9NK1Xq59wo7-"s0S+[{etQorO /Nf-Ci"i9v'MT!R8)J]N[4|2&x1r^Iq&{SB"6dknr0=+6UFb.>+{zMn_1=rw&/V+"d@* ZS5\LoW_ Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!tungurahua!news-ge.switch.ch!isdnet!howland.erols.net!cyclone2.usenetserver.com.MISMATCH!news-out.usenetserver.com!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!news.mindspring.net!hshubs Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:72032 In article <92rfjs$ktb$1@gondor.sdsu.edu>, Stewart Stremler wrote: >Have paper-clip. Will disassemble. You'll find it's quite possible to make one VT1nn from multiple broken ones. Done it. Then you can make fish tanks, as in the old ad. -- Howard S Shubs "Run in circles, scream and shout!" "I hope you have good backups!" ###### Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!not-for-mail From: Neil Franklin Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Hardware Disassembly (VT102) Date: 02 Jan 2001 13:40:53 +0100 Organization: My own Private Self Lines: 20 Message-ID: <6uae9a9ley.fsf@chonsp.franklin.ch> References: <92nu5k$qv0$1@gondor.sdsu.edu> <92rfjs$ktb$1@gondor.sdsu.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: chonsp.franklin.ch X-Trace: chonsp.franklin.ch 978439254 613 10.0.3.2 (2 Jan 2001 12:40:55 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news@chonsp.franklin.ch NNTP-Posting-Date: 2 Jan 2001 12:40:55 GMT X-Newsreader: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:72034 Howard S Shubs writes: > In article <92rfjs$ktb$1@gondor.sdsu.edu>, Stewart Stremler > wrote: > > >Have paper-clip. Will disassemble. > > You'll find it's quite possible to make one VT1nn from multiple broken ones. > Done it. Then you can make fish tanks, as in the old ad. Aren't fish tanks becoming a bit cliche? For an nice reuse of left over shells try the VAXBAR: http://www.lpl.arizona.edu/~vance/www/vaxbar.html -- Neil Franklin, neil@franklin.ch.remove http://neil.franklin.ch/ Hacker, Unix Guru, El Eng FH/BSc, Sysadmin, Roleplayer, LARPer, Mystic ###### From: Ian Stirling Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Hardware Disassembly (VT102) Date: Tue, 02 Jan 2001 19:41:19 GMT Message-ID: <978464479.164.0.nnrp-08.9e98d142@news.demon.co.uk> References: <92nu5k$qv0$1@gondor.sdsu.edu> <92rfjs$ktb$1@gondor.sdsu.edu> <6uae9a9ley.fsf@chonsp.franklin.ch> NNTP-Posting-Host: mauve.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: mauve.demon.co.uk:158.152.209.66 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 978464479 nnrp-08:164 NO-IDENT mauve.demon.co.uk:158.152.209.66 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net User-Agent: tin/1.5.6-20000803 ("Dust") (UNIX) (Linux/2.4.0-test7 (i686)) Originator: root@mauve.demon.co.uk Lines: 25 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news.tesion.net!news.belwue.de!news-stu1.dfn.de!news-mue1.dfn.de!news-nue1.dfn.de!news-lei1.dfn.de!news-fra1.dfn.de!news0.de.colt.net!colt.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!mauve.demon.co.uk!root Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:72066 Neil Franklin wrote: >Howard S Shubs writes: >> In article <92rfjs$ktb$1@gondor.sdsu.edu>, Stewart Stremler >> wrote: >> >> >Have paper-clip. Will disassemble. >> >> You'll find it's quite possible to make one VT1nn from multiple broken ones. >> Done it. Then you can make fish tanks, as in the old ad. >Aren't fish tanks becoming a bit cliche? Hmm. What about a fish-tank, and a monitor that still works? Take an LCD screen, put it in a waterproof box, make a fish-tank out of the whole box, and have a paddle that you can move to shoo the fish away from the cursor. -- http://inquisitor.i.am/ | mailto:inquisitor@i.am | Ian Stirling. ---------------------------+-------------------------+-------------------------- Paranoia: A game for the whole family, and anyone else who might be watching. ###### From: Stewart Stremler Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Hardware Disassembly (VT102) Date: 3 Jan 2001 01:45:20 GMT Organization: San Diego State University Lines: 23 Message-ID: <92u07g$ff4$1@gondor.sdsu.edu> References: <92nu5k$qv0$1@gondor.sdsu.edu> <92rfjs$ktb$1@gondor.sdsu.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: rohan.sdsu.edu X-Trace: gondor.sdsu.edu 978486320 15844 130.191.3.100 (3 Jan 2001 01:45:20 GMT) User-Agent: tin/1.4.2-20000123 ("Polish") (UNIX) (SunOS/5.8 (sun4u)) Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.imp.ch!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newshub.sdsu.edu!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:72084 Howard S Shubs wrote: > In article <92rfjs$ktb$1@gondor.sdsu.edu>, Stewart Stremler > wrote: >>Have paper-clip. Will disassemble. > You'll find it's quite possible to make one VT1nn from multiple broken ones. > Done it. Then you can make fish tanks, as in the old ad. Hm. This one appears to work -- except it's missing one rubber foot. I powered it up and typed a bit, so now I need to snag a serial cable and hook it up to a modem (or a null-modem cable and hook it up to a machine). It appears that it should have five feet; I think I'll pry off the one in the middle-rear and put it on the front-left... (would there be a downside to this? Or did the engineers design this terminal with an extra foot just for this reason?) -- Stewart Stremler stremler@rohan.sdsu.edu ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- "So raise your hand if you think that it was a Russian water tentacle?" --Lindsey Brinkman (_Abyss_) ###### From: Howard S Shubs Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Hardware Disassembly (VT102) Date: Tue, 02 Jan 2001 23:31:54 -0500 Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Lines: 9 Message-ID: References: <92nu5k$qv0$1@gondor.sdsu.edu> <92rfjs$ktb$1@gondor.sdsu.edu> <6uae9a9ley.fsf@chonsp.franklin.ch> NNTP-Posting-Host: a5.f7.0a.2b X-Server-Date: 3 Jan 2001 04:31:55 GMT User-Agent: MT-NewsWatcher/3.0 (PPC) X-Face: "S"r{U%bs].&Ud}Pc~~~0a]M:t5l>>EN\1Faw10M9NK1Xq59wo7-"s0S+[{etQorO /Nf-Ci"i9v'MT!R8)J]N[4|2&x1r^Iq&{SB"6dknr0=+6UFb.>+{zMn_1=rw&/V+"d@* ZS5\LoW_ Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news.tesion.net!news.belwue.de!news-stu1.dfn.de!news-koe1.dfn.de!news-fra1.dfn.de!news.tele.dk!209.50.235.254!europa.netcrusader.net!64.152.100.70!cyclone-sjo1.usenetserver.com!news-out.usenetserver.com!cyclone-west.rr.com!news.rr.com!news-west.rr.com!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!news.mindspring.net!hshubs Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:72128 In article <6uae9a9ley.fsf@chonsp.franklin.ch>, Neil Franklin wrote: >Aren't fish tanks becoming a bit cliche? What's wrong with a good old cliche now and then? -- Howard S Shubs "Run in circles, scream and shout!" "I hope you have good backups!" ###### From: bhk@dsl.co.uk (Brian {Hamilton Kelly}) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Hardware Disassembly (VT102) Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2001 10:54:57 GMT Organization: Dragonhill Systems Ltd Message-ID: <978519297snz@dsl.co.uk> References: <92nu5k$qv0$1@gondor.sdsu.edu> <92rfjs$ktb$1@gondor.sdsu.edu> <6uae9a9ley.fsf@chonsp.franklin.ch> X-Trace: mail2news.demon.co.uk 978536155 mail2news:4072 mail2news mail2news.demon.co.uk X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net X-Mail2News-Path: news.demon.net!dsl.demon.co.uk X-Newsreader: Demon Internet Simple News v1.31 Lines: 20 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!merapi!feed2.news.luth.se!luth.se!newsfeeds.belnet.be!news.belnet.be!btnet-peer1!btnet-peer0!btnet!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!mail2news.demon.co.uk!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:72129 In article hshubs@mindspring.com "Howard S Shubs" writes: > In article <6uae9a9ley.fsf@chonsp.franklin.ch>, Neil Franklin > wrote: > > >Aren't fish tanks becoming a bit cliche? > > What's wrong with a good old cliche now and then? Does it bother you that a good old cliche might be wrong? -- Brian {Hamilton Kelly} bhk@dsl.co.uk "We have gone from a world of concentrated knowledge and wisdom to one of distributed ignorance. And we know and understand less while being incr- easingly capable." Prof. Peter Cochrane, BT Labs ###### From: Chris Baird Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Hardware Disassembly (VT102) Organization: World Wide Weasels Lines: 7 Message-ID: References: <92nu5k$qv0$1@gondor.sdsu.edu> <92rfjs$ktb$1@gondor.sdsu.edu> <6uae9a9ley.fsf@chonsp.franklin.ch> X-No-Archive: yes X-Newsreader: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.7 NNTP-Posting-Host: apanahna.ozemail.com.au X-Trace: ozemail.com.au 978628163 203.108.151.246 (Fri, 05 Jan 2001 04:09:23 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2001 04:09:23 EST Distribution: world Date: 04 Jan 2001 07:25:04 +1100 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news-fra1.dfn.de!news.tele.dk!134.222.94.5!npeer.kpnqwest.net!uunet!sac.uu.net!ash.uu.net!news01.one.net.au!newsfeed.ozemail.com.au!ozemail.com.au!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:72385 > Aren't fish tanks becoming a bit cliche? I'd be worried about leaching from the plastic, myself. And trace residues like PCBs left lying around... -- Chris,,