From: "Zhilong" Newsgroups: alt.cdr.panasonic,alt.comp.periphs.cdr,alt.folklore.computers Subject: Which Cd Recorder is the best out there? Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 12:36:42 +0800 Organization: Singapore Telecommunications Ltd Lines: 7 Message-ID: <90v12r$63b$1@clematis.singnet.com.sg> NNTP-Posting-Host: ad202.166.97.103.magix.com.sg X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.nextra.ch!news1.sunrise.ch!news.imp.ch!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!headwall.stanford.edu!feeder.via.net!mawar.singnet.com.sg!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:70408 hi , i am planning to buy a cd recorder may i know which brand is the best out there...... btw may i know is there any software that can convert mp3 files to audio files then i record it to a blank disk and use compact disk player to play it... ###### From: xxxooo27@KANTix.netcom.com (Greg M) Newsgroups: alt.cdr.panasonic,alt.comp.periphs.cdr,alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Which Cd Recorder is the best out there? Date: 10 Dec 2000 14:12:45 GMT Organization: Your Company Lines: 13 Message-ID: References: <90v12r$63b$1@clematis.singnet.com.sg> NNTP-Posting-Host: a5.79.cc.ac User-Agent: Xnews/03.11.14 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.tele.dk!64.152.100.70!cyclone-sjo1.usenetserver.com!news-out.usenetserver.com!cyclone-west.rr.com!news.rr.com!news-west.rr.com!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!news.mindspring.net!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:70413 "Zhilong" wrote in <90v12r$63b$1@clematis.singnet.com.sg>: >hi , i am planning to buy a cd recorder >may i know which brand is the best out there...... >btw may i know is there any software that can convert mp3 files to audio >files then i record it to a blank disk and use compact disk player to play >it... > > > Plextor 12/10/32 ###### Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 14:00:59 +0000 From: Clive MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Hogwasher/2.5 (Macintosh) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <01HW.B65A8E9B000104DD0595AA70@news.powernet.co.uk> Subject: Re: Which Cd Recorder is the best out there? Newsgroups: alt.cdr.panasonic,alt.comp.periphs.cdr,alt.folklore.computers Followup-To: alt.comp.periphs.cdr References: <90v12r$63b$1@clematis.singnet.com.sg> <911eqb$2jjqq$1@ID-65036.news.dfncis.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.60.20.76 X-Trace: 11 Dec 2000 13:59:41 GMT, 195.60.20.76 Lines: 18 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.nextra.ch!news1.sunrise.ch!news.imp.ch!fr.clara.net!NiOuZphide.fr.clara.net!grolier!btnet-peer0!btnet-feed5!btnet!news.power.net.uk!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:70599 On Mon, 11 Dec 2000 2:52:29 +0000, Dr. Arup Roy Chowdhury PhD. wrote (in message <911eqb$2jjqq$1@ID-65036.news.dfncis.de>): > Yamaha 16x rules but if you are on a budget get the TEAC as it is a good > CDRW too. > "Zhilong" wrote in message > news:90v12r$63b$1@clematis.singnet.com.sg... >> hi , i am planning to buy a cd recorder >> may i know which brand is the best out there...... >> btw may i know is there any software that can convert mp3 files to audio >> files then i record it to a blank disk and use compact disk player to play >> it... I see that this drive is bundled with Toast but do you know if it works with Jam? I've tried looking in the obvious places to no avail. TIA - Clive Barrett clive@barrett.powernet.co.uk ###### From: "David C. Barber" Newsgroups: alt.cdr.panasonic,alt.comp.periphs.cdr,alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Which Cd Recorder is the best out there? Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 14:43:15 -0700 Organization: CTSnet Internet Services Lines: 19 Message-ID: <913hmq$o2h$1@thoth.cts.com> References: <90v12r$63b$1@clematis.singnet.com.sg> X-Trace: thoth.cts.com 976570907 24657 208.167.188.105 (11 Dec 2000 21:41:47 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@cts.com X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.nextra.ch!news1.sunrise.ch!news.imp.ch!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newshub.sdsu.edu!209.68.192.203!ragnarok.cts.com!thoth.cts.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:70464 "Zhilong" wrote in message news:90v12r$63b$1@clematis.singnet.com.sg... > hi , i am planning to buy a cd recorder > may i know which brand is the best out there...... > btw may i know is there any software that can convert mp3 files to audio > files then i record it to a blank disk and use compact disk player to play > it... Yamaha CD-RW drives also have had a good reputation in the past. As for ripping MP3's to .wav for recording, WinAmp will do it for free. Also, the latest version of CD Creator (I'm told) will perform that function. *David Barber* ###### From: virgog@nexicom.net (Gavin Virgo) Newsgroups: alt.cdr.panasonic,alt.comp.periphs.cdr,alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Which Cd Recorder is the best out there? Message-ID: <3a3247e9.171584314@news.peterboro.net> References: <90v12r$63b$1@clematis.singnet.com.sg> <913hmq$o2h$1@thoth.cts.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Lines: 26 Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 15:03:07 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.168.98.164 X-Trace: news22.bellglobal.com 976633387 216.168.98.164 (Tue, 12 Dec 2000 10:03:07 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 10:03:07 EST Organization: Bell Solutions Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news.tesion.net!news.belwue.de!news-stu1.dfn.de!news-koe1.dfn.de!news-fra1.dfn.de!news.tele.dk!64.152.100.70!cyclone-sjo1.usenetserver.com!news-out.usenetserver.com!news3.bellglobal.com!nf2.bellglobal.com!news22.bellglobal.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:70541 I've been told that Yamaha drives can also burn 'backups' of Sega Dreamcast GD-ROMS. Is that true? On Mon, 11 Dec 2000 14:43:15 -0700, "David C. Barber" wrote: > >"Zhilong" wrote in message >news:90v12r$63b$1@clematis.singnet.com.sg... >> hi , i am planning to buy a cd recorder >> may i know which brand is the best out there...... >> btw may i know is there any software that can convert mp3 files to audio >> files then i record it to a blank disk and use compact disk player to play >> it... > >Yamaha CD-RW drives also have had a good reputation in the past. > >As for ripping MP3's to .wav for recording, WinAmp will do it for free. >Also, the latest version of CD Creator (I'm told) will perform that >function. > > *David Barber* > > > ###### From: username@domain.tld Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Which Cd Recorder is the best out there? Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 18:02:40 +0000 (UTC) Organization: none Lines: 27 Message-ID: <915p7v$kor$2@news3.cadvision.com> References: <3a3247e9.171584314@news.peterboro.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: h-207-148-144-75.dial.cadvision.com X-Trace: news3.cadvision.com 976644160 21275 207.148.144.75 (12 Dec 2000 18:02:40 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news@cadvision.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 18:02:40 +0000 (UTC) Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news.tesion.net!news.belwue.de!news-stu1.dfn.de!news-mue1.dfn.de!news.augsburg.net!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!nntp.cadvision.com!207.228.64.17.MISMATCH!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:70535 Ok, this question was posted to alt.folklore.computers so it must be on-topic... What is this "CD" technology and how do I hook it up to my PDP-11? Can I rip MP3's on my ASR-33 teletype? Thomas Alexander Calgary, Canada >>"Zhilong" wrote in message >>news:90v12r$63b$1@clematis.singnet.com.sg... >>> hi , i am planning to buy a cd recorder >>> may i know which brand is the best out there...... >>> btw may i know is there any software that can convert mp3 files to audio >>> files then i record it to a blank disk and use compact disk player to play >>> it... >> >>Yamaha CD-RW drives also have had a good reputation in the past. >> >>As for ripping MP3's to .wav for recording, WinAmp will do it for free. >>Also, the latest version of CD Creator (I'm told) will perform that >>function. >> >> *David Barber* >> >> >> ###### From: Erno Palonheimo Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Which Cd Recorder is the best out there? Date: 12 Dec 2000 20:11:23 +0200 Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland Lines: 14 Message-ID: References: <3a3247e9.171584314@news.peterboro.net> <915p7v$kor$2@news3.cadvision.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: vipunen.hut.fi X-Trace: nntp.hut.fi 976644684 25424 130.233.249.7 (12 Dec 2000 18:11:24 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@nntp.hut.fi NNTP-Posting-Date: 12 Dec 2000 18:11:24 GMT X-Newsreader: Gnus v5.3/Emacs 19.33 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news.tesion.net!news.belwue.de!informatik.tu-muenchen.de!lmu.de!uni-erlangen.de!newsfeed1.telenordia.se!algonet!newsfeed1.funet.fi!newsfeeds.funet.fi!news.cs.hut.fi!nntp.hut.fi!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:70546 username@domain.tld writes: > What is this "CD" technology and how do I hook it up to my PDP-11? If your PDP-11 has a MSCP-SCSI interface, such as Dilog SQ-706 (this plugs into qbus), just connect the CD-ROM reader unit into it. It will be accessible through the "DU" driver, and appears as a large read-only disk device. Be sure to dismount the disk before you push the "eject" button, though :-) -- Erno Palonheimo | Pajupillintie 15 A 6 | UNIX System Administrator http://iki.fi/esp/ | 00420 Helsinki | Helsinki University of Technology esp@cc.hut.fi | +358 50 560 4765 | http://www.hut.fi/cc/ ###### From: William Robison Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Which Cd Recorder is the best out there? Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 12:47:12 -0600 Organization: University of Iowa Lines: 34 Message-ID: <3A3672B0.D00F69CD@uiowa.edu> References: <3a3247e9.171584314@news.peterboro.net> <915p7v$kor$2@news3.cadvision.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: wtrpc.physics.uiowa.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: flood.weeg.uiowa.edu 976646975 18732 128.255.33.89 (12 Dec 2000 18:49:35 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@news.uiowa.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 12 Dec 2000 18:49:35 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.nextra.ch!newsfeed1.online.no!nextra.com!news.tele.dk!128.230.129.106!news.maxwell.syr.edu!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!uunet!dca.uu.net!news.uiowa.edu!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:70433 No, this definitely won't work. You'll need to trade the ASR in for a KSR as the additional circuitry, er. mechanism, doesn;t leave room for the mirrors used to focus the laser... username@domain.tld wrote: > > Ok, this question was posted to alt.folklore.computers so it must > be on-topic... > > What is this "CD" technology and how do I hook it up to my PDP-11? > Can I rip MP3's on my ASR-33 teletype? > > Thomas Alexander > Calgary, Canada > > >>"Zhilong" wrote in message > >>news:90v12r$63b$1@clematis.singnet.com.sg... > >>> hi , i am planning to buy a cd recorder > >>> may i know which brand is the best out there...... > >>> btw may i know is there any software that can convert mp3 files to audio > >>> files then i record it to a blank disk and use compact disk player to play > >>> it... > >> > >>Yamaha CD-RW drives also have had a good reputation in the past. > >> > >>As for ripping MP3's to .wav for recording, WinAmp will do it for free. > >>Also, the latest version of CD Creator (I'm told) will perform that > >>function. > >> > >> *David Barber* > >> > >> > >> ###### Message-ID: <3A36DECB.DEB7B650@ev1.net> Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 18:28:26 -0800 From: Charles Richmond Reply-To: richmond@ev1.net Organization: Cannine Computer Center X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Which Cd Recorder is the best out there? References: <3a3247e9.171584314@news.peterboro.net> <915p7v$kor$2@news3.cadvision.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: taydal-207-55-144-145.ev1.net X-Trace: 12 Dec 2000 18:24:13 -0600, taydal-207-55-144-145.ev1.net Lines: 22 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news.tesion.net!news.belwue.de!news-stu1.dfn.de!news-mue1.dfn.de!news-was.dfn.de!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer1.nac.net!newsfeed.nwlink.com!nntp2.savvis.net!newsa.ev1.net Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:70707 username@domain.tld wrote: > > Ok, this question was posted to alt.folklore.computers so it must > be on-topic... > > What is this "CD" technology and how do I hook it up to my PDP-11? > You just need a CDR with a SCSI interface... > > Can I rip MP3's on my ASR-33 teletype? > The good news is you *can* use the ASR-33 to rip the MP3's. The bad news is you need a quite a few miles of paper tape to hold the file. And punching at 10 cps, you may need a couple of years to get it punched. Gee, I hope that you have a *high* speed reader for the paper tape... -- +-------------------------------------------------------------+ | Charles and Francis Richmond | +-------------------------------------------------------------+ ###### From: bmarcum@iglou.com (Bill Marcum) Newsgroups: alt.cdr.panasonic,alt.comp.periphs.cdr,alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Which Cd Recorder is the best out there? Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 06:48:59 GMT Message-ID: <3a371b79.1807471@news.iglou.com> References: <90v12r$63b$1@clematis.singnet.com.sg> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/16.235 NNTP-Posting-Host: lou-ts9-65.iglou.com X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: lou-ts9-65.iglou.com X-Trace: 13 Dec 2000 01:43:26 -0500, lou-ts9-65.iglou.com Lines: 11 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: news-incoming.iglou.com Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.nextra.ch!news1.sunrise.ch!news.imp.ch!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!198.6.0.7!uunet!ash.uu.net!news.iglou.com!lou-ts9-65.iglou.com Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:70664 "Zhilong" wrote: >hi , i am planning to buy a cd recorder >may i know which brand is the best out there...... >btw may i know is there any software that can convert mp3 files to audio >files then i record it to a blank disk and use compact disk player to play >it... > > This is alt.folklore.computers. We use coal-burning LP recorders. :) ###### From: djim55@cheesydatasync.com (D.J.) Newsgroups: alt.cdr.panasonic,alt.comp.periphs.cdr,alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Which Cd Recorder is the best out there? Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 08:22:00 GMT Organization: Tycho Crater Ice Cream Parlour Lines: 22 Message-ID: <3a373153.19321704@news.newsguy.com> References: <90v12r$63b$1@clematis.singnet.com.sg> <3a371b79.1807471@news.iglou.com> Reply-To: djim55@datasync.com NNTP-Posting-Host: p-816.newsdawg.com X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.nextra.ch!news1.sunrise.ch!news.imp.ch!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsxfer.eecs.umich.edu!pln-w!spln!dex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!news1 Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:70672 bmarcum@iglou.com (Bill Marcum) wrote: []"Zhilong" wrote: [] []>hi , i am planning to buy a cd recorder []>may i know which brand is the best out there...... []>btw may i know is there any software that can convert mp3 files to audio []>files then i record it to a blank disk and use compact disk player to play []>it... []> []> []This is alt.folklore.computers. We use coal-burning LP recorders. :) Oh, so I can't find help for playing my 78 pm records here ? Good grief. JimP. who does have several 78 rpm records. -- djim55 at tyhe datasync dot com. Disclaimer: Standard. My Web pages Updated: December 3, 2000: http://www.crosswinds.net/~djim51/updated.html Registered Linux user#185746 ###### From: "Paul Grayson" Newsgroups: alt.cdr.panasonic,alt.comp.periphs.cdr,alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Which Cd Recorder is the best out there? Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 11:25:33 -0000 Organization: Customer of Energis Squared Lines: 14 Message-ID: <917m6d$34l$1@newsreaderg1.core.theplanet.net> References: <90v12r$63b$1@clematis.singnet.com.sg> <3a371b79.1807471@news.iglou.com> <3a373153.19321704@news.newsguy.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: host94.bjss.co.uk X-Trace: newsreaderg1.core.theplanet.net 976706572 3221 194.152.80.94 (13 Dec 2000 11:22:53 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 13 Dec 2000 11:22:53 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news.tesion.net!news.belwue.de!news-stu1.dfn.de!news-koe1.dfn.de!news-fra1.dfn.de!news.tele.dk!212.74.64.35!colt.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:70710 > Oh, so I can't find help for playing my 78 pm records here ? Good > grief. > > JimP. who does have several 78 rpm records. John Logie Baird, Scottish inventor of the mechanical television, managed to record digitised television pictures to 78 rpm records, but had no means of playing them back. A few years ago someone had managed to decode some of these recordings, and they appeared on a web-site somewhere. I tried to search for it yesterday but all links were dead. ###### From: Tim Bradshaw Newsgroups: alt.cdr.panasonic,alt.comp.periphs.cdr,alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Which Cd Recorder is the best out there? Date: 13 Dec 2000 11:28:16 +0000 Organization: The Tardis Project Lines: 12 Sender: tfb@tardis Message-ID: References: <90v12r$63b$1@clematis.singnet.com.sg> <3a371b79.1807471@news.iglou.com> X-Trace: kane.dcs.ed.ac.uk 976706902 10623 193.62.81.1 (13 Dec 2000 11:28:22 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@dcs.ed.ac.uk X-Newsreader: Gnus v5.5/XEmacs 20.4 - "Emerald" Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.nextra.ch!newsfeed1.online.no!nextra.com!news.algonet.se!algonet!news.tele.dk!212.74.64.35!colt.net!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!news.vas-net.net!server2.netnews.ja.net!server6.netnews.ja.net!newsfeed.ed.ac.uk!kane.dcs.ed.ac.uk!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:70644 bmarcum@iglou.com (Bill Marcum) writes: > This is alt.folklore.computers. We use coal-burning LP recorders. :) I think most people have oil-conversions now -- especially with larger installations coaling is a major hassle -- everything gets just filthy, and cooling fans tend to blow coaldust into the most improbable places. Mind you, coaling a DEC 20 is an experience you don't forget. --tim ###### From: Jim Stewart Newsgroups: alt.cdr.panasonic,alt.comp.periphs.cdr,alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Which Cd Recorder is the best out there? Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 09:05:14 -0800 Organization: http://www.jkmicro.com Lines: 19 Message-ID: X-Orig-Message-ID: <3A37AC4A.6EEB292@jkmicro.com> References: <90v12r$63b$1@clematis.singnet.com.sg> <3a371b79.1807471@news.iglou.com> <3a373153.19321704@news.newsguy.com> <917m6d$34l$1@newsreaderg1.core.theplanet.net> Reply-To: jstewart@jkmicro.com Abuse-Reports-To: abuse at airmail.net to report improper postings NNTP-Proxy-Relay: library2.airnews.net NNTP-Posting-Time: Wed Dec 13 11:02:57 2000 NNTP-Posting-Host: !YQ(j1k-X#ZTbrC@W`?#IrH1B (Encoded at Airnews!) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.74 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!isdnet!howland.erols.net!news-out.nntp.airnews.net.MISMATCH!cabal10.airnews.net!news.airnews.net!cabal14.airnews.net!news.airnews.net!cabal2.airnews.net!news-f.iadfw.net!usenet Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:70653 Paul Grayson wrote: > > > Oh, so I can't find help for playing my 78 pm records here ? Good > > grief. > > > > JimP. who does have several 78 rpm records. > > John Logie Baird, Scottish inventor of the mechanical television, managed to > record digitised television pictures to 78 rpm records, but had no means of > playing them back. > > A few years ago someone had managed to decode some of these recordings, and > they appeared on a web-site somewhere. I tried to search for it yesterday > but all links were dead. I have a working RCA Selectavision player and a stack of disks in the garage. I describe it to visitors as follows: "While Sony and Philips were busy figuring out how to read audio off of a disk with a laser beam, RCA was trying put video on a record." ###### From: roggblake@inamme.com (Roger Blake) Newsgroups: alt.cdr.panasonic,alt.comp.periphs.cdr,alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Which Cd Recorder is the best out there? References: <90v12r$63b$1@clematis.singnet.com.sg> <3a371b79.1807471@news.iglou.com> <3a373153.19321704@news.newsguy.com> <917m6d$34l$1@newsreaderg1.core.theplanet.net> X-No-Archive: Yes Message-ID: User-Agent: slrn/0.9.6.2 (Linux) Lines: 13 Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 17:16:18 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 64.50.164.178 X-Complaints-To: noc@capu.net X-Trace: news.abs.net 976727778 64.50.164.178 (Wed, 13 Dec 2000 12:16:18 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 12:16:18 EST Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!News.Amsterdam.UnisourceCS!newshunter!cosy.sbg.ac.at!newsfeed.Austria.EU.net!nmaster.kpnqwest.net!blackbush.xlink.net!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!fr.clara.net!heighliner.fr.clara.net!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!feeder.qis.net!nntp.abs.net!news.abs.net!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:70628 On Wed, 13 Dec 2000 09:05:14 -0800, Jim Stewart wrote: >I have a working RCA Selectavision player and a stack of disks in the >garage. I describe it to visitors as follows: "While Sony and Philips I have one of these players in my living room, quite a few discs, and it actually still works. Picture quality is better than VHS but not as good as LaserDisc. Worst problem is the tendency of the discs to skip. (I was actually watching Star Wars on my SelectaVision player this past weekend!) -- Roger Blake (remove second "g" and second "m" from address for email) ###### From: "Paul Grayson" Newsgroups: alt.cdr.panasonic,alt.comp.periphs.cdr,alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Which Cd Recorder is the best out there? Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 09:54:58 -0000 Organization: Customer of Energis Squared Lines: 26 Message-ID: <91a58b$sqb$1@newsreaderm1.core.theplanet.net> References: <90v12r$63b$1@clematis.singnet.com.sg> <3a371b79.1807471@news.iglou.com> <3a373153.19321704@news.newsguy.com> <917m6d$34l$1@newsreaderg1.core.theplanet.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: host94.bjss.co.uk X-Trace: newsreaderm1.core.theplanet.net 976787531 29515 194.152.80.94 (14 Dec 2000 09:52:11 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 14 Dec 2000 09:52:11 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news.tesion.net!news.belwue.de!news.uni-stuttgart.de!rz.uni-karlsruhe.de!schlund.de!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:70716 > > John Logie Baird, Scottish inventor of the mechanical television, managed to > > record digitised television pictures to 78 rpm records, but had no means of > > playing them back. > > > > A few years ago someone had managed to decode some of these recordings, and > > they appeared on a web-site somewhere. I tried to search for it yesterday > > but all links were dead. > > I have a working RCA Selectavision player and a stack of disks in the > garage. I describe it to visitors as follows: "While Sony and Philips > were busy figuring out how to read audio off of a disk with a laser > beam, RCA was trying put video on a record." ISTR a local shop in the UK having one of these for sale, together with a huge stack of disks, round about 10 years ago. They only wanted 50 GBP at the time. It was the only one of these I ever saw. Rumor went around that a local entrepreneur bought the player and disks for his video library, only to discover that no-one else in the town had one of these machines. ###### From: john@polo.demon.co.uk (John Winters) Newsgroups: alt.cdr.panasonic,alt.comp.periphs.cdr,alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Which Cd Recorder is the best out there? Date: 14 Dec 2000 17:36:29 -0000 Organization: The Linux Emporium Message-ID: <91b0et$vqk$1@polo.demon.co.uk> References: <90v12r$63b$1@clematis.singnet.com.sg> <3a371b79.1807471@news.iglou.com> <3a373153.19321704@news.newsguy.com> <917m6d$34l$1@newsreaderg1.core.theplanet.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: unseen.linuxemporium.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: unseen.linuxemporium.co.uk:194.70.1.33 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 976816068 nnrp-09:21636 NO-IDENT unseen.linuxemporium.co.uk:194.70.1.33 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net Lines: 20 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news.tesion.net!news.belwue.de!news-stu1.dfn.de!news-koe1.dfn.de!news-was.dfn.de!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!colt.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!unseen.linuxemporium.co.uk!polo.demon.co.uk!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:70740 In article <917m6d$34l$1@newsreaderg1.core.theplanet.net>, Paul Grayson wrote: >> Oh, so I can't find help for playing my 78 pm records here ? Good >> grief. >> >> JimP. who does have several 78 rpm records. > >John Logie Baird, Scottish inventor of the mechanical television, managed to >record digitised television pictures to 78 rpm records, but had no means of >playing them back. I have the means of encoding 50 gigabytes of data on one piece of paper the size of a postage stamp but alas, no means of playing it back. John -- John Winters. Wallingford, Oxon, England. The Linux Emporium - the source for Linux CDs in the UK See http://www.linuxemporium.co.uk/ ###### From: "Paul Grayson" Newsgroups: alt.cdr.panasonic,alt.comp.periphs.cdr,alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Which Cd Recorder is the best out there? Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 10:40:26 -0000 Organization: Customer of Energis Squared Lines: 28 Message-ID: <91kpel$n0$1@newsreaderm1.core.theplanet.net> References: <90v12r$63b$1@clematis.singnet.com.sg> <3a371b79.1807471@news.iglou.com> <3a373153.19321704@news.newsguy.com> <917m6d$34l$1@newsreaderg1.core.theplanet.net> <91b0et$vqk$1@polo.demon.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: host94.bjss.co.uk X-Trace: newsreaderm1.core.theplanet.net 977135893 736 194.152.80.94 (18 Dec 2000 10:38:13 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 18 Dec 2000 10:38:13 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news.tesion.net!news.belwue.de!news-stu1.dfn.de!news-koe1.dfn.de!news-fra1.dfn.de!news-fra.pop.de!schlund.de!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:71023 > >> > >>John Logie Baird, Scottish inventor of the mechanical television, managed to > >>record digitised television pictures to 78 rpm records, but had no means of > >>playing them back. > > > >I have the means of encoding 50 gigabytes of data on one piece of paper > >the size of a postage stamp but alas, no means of playing it back. > > ...and I've just taken out a patent for WOM (Write Only Memory) - > great for backups but no so good for restoring! > > I've had to restore data to systems that were almost write-only backups. Work inherited a support contract from a real bunch of cowboys. Every network fileserver that was backed up using software desgined for a single PC, and this PC was logged in as a user that couldn't access all desired files. No one had needed to perform a restore on any of these machines, or had checked to see if everything was actually being backed up. We had real fun when a disk crashed two days into starting the contract, discovering what a mess we had inherited. We cancelled the contract ourselves a couple of days later. ###### From: "Paul Grayson" Newsgroups: alt.cdr.panasonic,alt.comp.periphs.cdr,alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Which Cd Recorder is the best out there? Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 11:02:54 -0000 Organization: Customer of Energis Squared Lines: 29 Message-ID: <91kqop$1a8$1@newsreaderm1.core.theplanet.net> References: <90v12r$63b$1@clematis.singnet.com.sg> <3a371b79.1807471@news.iglou.com> <3a373153.19321704@news.newsguy.com> <3A3BFCE2.7C045747@cmc.com> <874s03eyo6.fsf@cartman.azz.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: host94.bjss.co.uk X-Trace: newsreaderm1.core.theplanet.net 977137241 1352 194.152.80.94 (18 Dec 2000 11:00:41 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 18 Dec 2000 11:00:41 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news.tesion.net!news.belwue.de!informatik.tu-muenchen.de!news.csl-gmbh.net!blackbush.xlink.net!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:70964 wrote in message news:JO8%5.6204$36.158489@news1.rdc1.il.home.com... > > "Adam Sampson" wrote in message > news:874s03eyo6.fsf@cartman.azz.net... > > Lars Poulsen writes: > > > > > Is there any software that will let me play my 78s at 33 or 45 rpm > > > into my soundcard, filter the wav file and then digitally resample > > > it at the right rate to be equivalent to 78 rpm sampled at 44kHz ?? > > > > If I recall correctly, you also need a different stylus to play 78s > > without damaging them; make sure that you can obtain one of these for > > your modern record deck. > > You make an important point. 78s grooves are quite different, and a > modern elliptical or similar stylus will not track them well. > My parents had a player capable of playing both. The stylus was reversible, with a diamond/sapphire on each side. Most 78 RPM diss were made out of shellac, but IIRC one of the UK manufacturers, PYE, released some 78 RPM records made from vinyl in the late 1950s. It could also handle recordings at 16 RPM. I presume that these were spoken word, but I never saw any at this speed. ###### From: Tim Bradshaw Newsgroups: alt.cdr.panasonic,alt.comp.periphs.cdr,alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Which Cd Recorder is the best out there? Date: 18 Dec 2000 11:50:50 +0000 Organization: The Tardis Project Lines: 13 Sender: tfb@tardis Message-ID: References: <90v12r$63b$1@clematis.singnet.com.sg> <3a371b79.1807471@news.iglou.com> <3a373153.19321704@news.newsguy.com> <3A3BFCE2.7C045747@cmc.com> X-Trace: kane.dcs.ed.ac.uk 977140254 12088 193.62.81.1 (18 Dec 2000 11:50:54 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@dcs.ed.ac.uk X-Newsreader: Gnus v5.5/XEmacs 20.4 - "Emerald" Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news.tesion.net!news.belwue.de!informatik.tu-muenchen.de!news.csl-gmbh.net!blackbush.xlink.net!renate.komtel.net!news.tele.dk!195.224.53.60!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!gxn.net!server6.netnews.ja.net!newsfeed.ed.ac.uk!kane.dcs.ed.ac.uk!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:70975 Lars Poulsen writes: > Is there any software that will let me play my 78s at 33 or 45 rpm > into my soundcard, filter the wav file and then digitally resample > it at the right rate to be equivalent to 78 rpm sampled at 44kHz ?? > I think (from memory) that 78s require a different stylus than 33/45s do. So you may end up chewing up the records reasonably badly if you do this (or, if you're lucky, chewing up the stylus). But I may be misremembering. --tim ###### Newsgroups: alt.cdr.panasonic,alt.comp.periphs.cdr,alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Which Cd Recorder is the best out there? From: spam_box@gmx.net (Lordy) References: <90v12r$63b$1@clematis.singnet.com.sg> <3a371b79.1807471@news.iglou.com> <3a373153.19321704@news.newsguy.com> <3A3BFCE2.7C045747@cmc.com> Organization: Haphazard Message-ID: <900EABCC8lordybigfootcom@193.195.219.209> User-Agent: Xnews/03.09.22 Reply-To: lordy@bigfoot.com Lines: 31 Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 15:43:18 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.250.216.229 X-Complaints-To: abuse@ntlworld.com X-Trace: news2-win.server.ntlworld.com 977154198 212.250.216.229 (Mon, 18 Dec 2000 15:43:18 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 15:43:18 GMT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.nextra.ch!newsfeed1.online.no!nextra.com!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.icl.net!ldn-newsfeed.speedport.net!ams-newsfeed.speedport.net!newsfeed.speedport.net!colt.net!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!news5-gui.server.ntli.net!ntli.net!news2-win.server.ntlworld.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:71005 lars@cmc.com (Lars Poulsen) wrote in <3A3BFCE2.7C045747@cmc.com>: >"D.J." wrote: >> ... I can't find help for playing my 78 pm records here ? Good grief. >> JimP. who does have several 78 rpm records. > >I have a pile of antique 78's that I'd like to get on a CD; I went >to look a for a new record player after my old one died. I found a >nice Sony for a hundred bucks, but no 78 rpm speed. It seems that >to get a 78 capable player, you need to get up in the $500 audio- >phile range. > >Is there any software that will let me play my 78s at 33 or 45 rpm >into my soundcard, filter the wav file and then digitally resample >it at the right rate to be equivalent to 78 rpm sampled at 44kHz ?? > >The desire to do this can't be totally unusual, can it ? I think you'll have to be resourceful. Ask to borrow or trial a player, perhaps. Can the old one be repaired at all? Maybe someone has a cheap conversion service - depending on how many ecords you have to convert? As for the resampling. I could be wrong but you need something more complex. The sampling frequency is how often "snapshots" are taken of a waveform. So something sampled at 44 is "tonaly" the same as at 22KHz, but less quality. You want something that can change the frequency of the sampled wave, not the frequency of sampling (if that makes sense). Lordy ###### From: "Charlie Gibbs" Newsgroups: alt.cdr.panasonic,alt.comp.periphs.cdr,alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Which Cd Recorder is the best out there? Date: 18 Dec 00 11:32:55 -0800 Organization: http://extra.newsguy.com Lines: 16 Message-ID: <607.387T2758T6925951@sky.bus.com> References: <90v12r$63b$1@clematis.singnet.com.sg> <3a371b79.1807471@news.iglou.com> <3a373153.19321704@news.newsguy.com> <3A3BFCE2.7C045747@cmc.com> <3A3C0F9A.A7E0A2F2@bigpond.net.au> NNTP-Posting-Host: p-785.newsdawg.com X-Newsreader: THOR 2.5a (Amiga;TCP/IP) Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news.tesion.net!news.belwue.de!informatik.tu-muenchen.de!news.csl-gmbh.net!blackbush.xlink.net!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!newsfeed.online.be!nntp.primenet.com!nntp.gblx.net!pln-w!spln!dex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!news2 Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:71033 In article <3A3C0F9A.A7E0A2F2@bigpond.net.au> DirecTec@bigpond.net.au (DirecTec) writes: >what about getting a 33rpm record player that is suppose to run at >50 hertz and running it at 60 hertz or what ever it takes to get the >correct speed...you would use one of those little strobe disks record >shops used to sell...to check the speed Just don't use the turntable's built-in strobe unit - even if you crank up the power frequency so that the turntable is doing 78 rpm, the built-in strobe will still say 33. -- cgibbs@sky.bus.com (Charlie Gibbs) Remove the first period after the "at" sign to reply. ###### From: D.J. Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Which Cd Recorder is the best out there? Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 06:54:10 -0600 Organization: Tycho Ice Cream Parlour, Marsport Lines: 15 Message-ID: References: <90v12r$63b$1@clematis.singnet.com.sg> <3a371b79.1807471@news.iglou.com> <3a373153.19321704@news.newsguy.com> <3A3BFCE2.7C045747@cmc.com> <874s03eyo6.fsf@cartman.azz.net> <91kqop$1a8$1@newsreaderm1.core.theplanet.net> Reply-To: djim55@boingydatasync.com NNTP-Posting-Host: msp1-1-60.datasync.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: news.datasync.com 977230561 23367 208.164.157.60 (19 Dec 2000 12:56:01 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@datasync.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 19 Dec 2000 12:56:01 GMT X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!enews.sgi.com!nntp.primenet.com!nntp.gblx.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.datasync.com!news.datasync.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:71078 Paul Grayson" wrote: []It could also handle recordings at 16 RPM. I presume that these were spoken []word, but I never saw any at this speed. I wonder if that was the speed used by the 'send a recording of your voice home' disks available during WW 2 ? The U.S.O. rest areas/buildings had them for US military to send a recording home. JimP. -- djim55 at tyhe datasync dot com. Disclaimer: Standard. My Web pages Updated: December 3, 2000: http://www.crosswinds.net/~djim51/updated.html Registered Linux user#185746 ###### From: "Paul Grayson" Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Which Cd Recorder is the best out there? Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 13:46:34 -0000 Organization: Customer of Energis Squared Lines: 33 Message-ID: <91nond$cv8$1@newsreaderm1.core.theplanet.net> References: <90v12r$63b$1@clematis.singnet.com.sg> <3a371b79.1807471@news.iglou.com> <3a373153.19321704@news.newsguy.com> <3A3BFCE2.7C045747@cmc.com> <874s03eyo6.fsf@cartman.azz.net> <91kqop$1a8$1@newsreaderm1.core.theplanet.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: host94.bjss.co.uk X-Trace: newsreaderm1.core.theplanet.net 977233453 13288 194.152.80.94 (19 Dec 2000 13:44:13 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 19 Dec 2000 13:44:13 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.tele.dk!195.224.25.10!sn-uk-xit-01!supernews.com!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:71048 "D.J." wrote in message news:egmu3t45he3s24jon3q82gca27nq3rjgcn@4ax.com... > > Paul Grayson" wrote: > []It could also handle recordings at 16 RPM. I presume that these were spoken > []word, but I never saw any at this speed. > > I wonder if that was the speed used by the 'send a recording of > your voice home' disks available during WW 2 ? The U.S.O. rest > areas/buildings had them for US military to send a recording home. > I've done a bit of digging around on Google. 16 2/3 RPM was designed for putting over an hour of speech on one side of a 12" record. The first one to appear in the UK came out in 1959, but they died out by the mid 1960s. 16 2/3 RPM was popular in Eastern Europe. A US company also attempted to produce an in-car player based upon the same speed, with 7" spoken-word recordings. Some musical recordings were issued on the Columbia Imperial label in 1956 or so. I've no idea where these eminated from, but at that time both the UK and US had different recording companies known as Columbia. By the name I'd guess part of the British Empire, but I don't recognise that name. The UK Columbia was part of EMI, but I don't recognise Imperial as an EMI brand-name. ###### From: "Charlie Gibbs" Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Which Cd Recorder is the best out there? Date: 20 Dec 00 12:13:11 -0800 Organization: http://extra.newsguy.com Lines: 14 Message-ID: <442.389T586T7334143@sky.bus.com> References: <977262551snz@dsl.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: p-595.newsdawg.com X-Newsreader: THOR 2.5a (Amiga;TCP/IP) Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news.tesion.net!news.belwue.de!informatik.tu-muenchen.de!news.csl-gmbh.net!blackbush.xlink.net!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!pln-w!spln!dex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!news2 Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:71157 In article <977262551snz@dsl.co.uk> bhk@dsl.co.uk (Brian {Hamilton Kelly}) writes: >Throughout the 1960s & 70s, "HiFis" always had four speed turntables >(often, ugh, autochangers). I believe that 78 probably disappeared >before 16. I think 16 disappeared first. My Dual 1219 has 33, 45, and 78, while its predecessor, the 1019, had 16 as well. -- cgibbs@sky.bus.com (Charlie Gibbs) Remove the first period after the "at" sign to reply. ###### From: D.J. Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Which Cd Recorder is the best out there? Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 21:18:18 -0600 Organization: Tycho Ice Cream Parlour, Marsport Lines: 22 Message-ID: <1ft24topgbta273mdelttpvde1addk4ckd@4ax.com> References: <977262551snz@dsl.co.uk> <442.389T586T7334143@sky.bus.com> Reply-To: djim55@boingydatasync.com NNTP-Posting-Host: msp2-1-148.datasync.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: news.datasync.com 977368811 20924 208.164.150.147 (21 Dec 2000 03:20:11 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@datasync.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 21 Dec 2000 03:20:11 GMT X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news.tesion.net!news.belwue.de!news-stu1.dfn.de!news-mue1.dfn.de!news-was.dfn.de!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.datasync.com!news.datasync.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:71284 Charlie Gibbs wrote: []In article <977262551snz@dsl.co.uk> bhk@dsl.co.uk [](Brian {Hamilton Kelly}) writes: [] []>Throughout the 1960s & 70s, "HiFis" always had four speed turntables []>(often, ugh, autochangers). I believe that 78 probably disappeared []>before 16. [] []I think 16 disappeared first. My Dual 1219 has 33, 45, and 78, []while its predecessor, the 1019, had 16 as well. I remember our later record player having 33, 45, and 78 rpm on it. No 16 rpm. That would have been about 1965. The first one we had, about 1955, played 16, 33, 45, and 78. JimP. -- djim55 at tyhe datasync dot com. Disclaimer: Standard. My Web pages Updated: December 3, 2000: http://www.crosswinds.net/~djim51/updated.html Registered Linux user#185746 ###### From: bmarcum@iglou.com (Bill Marcum) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Which Cd Recorder is the best out there? Date: Mon, 01 Jan 2001 02:36:53 GMT Organization: Pope-Wino-Hybrid Party Message-ID: <3a4fece2.49301229@news.iglou.com> References: <977262551snz@dsl.co.uk> <442.389T586T7334143@sky.bus.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/16.235 NNTP-Posting-Host: lou-ts10-34.iglou.com X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: lou-ts10-34.iglou.com X-Trace: 31 Dec 2000 21:30:44 -0500, lou-ts10-34.iglou.com Lines: 16 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: news-incoming.iglou.com Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!enews.sgi.com!newsxfer.eecs.umich.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!howland.erols.net!news-out.digex.net.MISMATCH!dca1-hub1.news.digex.net!dca1-feed3.news.digex.net!intermedia!news.iglou.com!lou-ts10-34.iglou.com Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:71957 "Charlie Gibbs" wrote: >In article <977262551snz@dsl.co.uk> bhk@dsl.co.uk >(Brian {Hamilton Kelly}) writes: > >>Throughout the 1960s & 70s, "HiFis" always had four speed turntables >>(often, ugh, autochangers). I believe that 78 probably disappeared >>before 16. > >I think 16 disappeared first. My Dual 1219 has 33, 45, and 78, >while its predecessor, the 1019, had 16 as well. > I've seen some 78 rpm records, but never a 16. I heard that 16 rpm was used for "talking books" for the blind. ###### From: Howard S Shubs Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Which Cd Recorder is the best out there? Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2000 21:41:22 -0500 Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Lines: 11 Message-ID: References: <977262551snz@dsl.co.uk> <442.389T586T7334143@sky.bus.com> <3a4fece2.49301229@news.iglou.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: a5.f7.0a.24 X-Server-Date: 1 Jan 2001 02:40:32 GMT User-Agent: MT-NewsWatcher/3.0 (PPC) X-Face: "S"r{U%bs].&Ud}Pc~~~0a]M:t5l>>EN\1Faw10M9NK1Xq59wo7-"s0S+[{etQorO /Nf-Ci"i9v'MT!R8)J]N[4|2&x1r^Iq&{SB"6dknr0=+6UFb.>+{zMn_1=rw&/V+"d@* ZS5\LoW_ Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news.tesion.net!news.belwue.de!news-stu1.dfn.de!news-koe1.dfn.de!news-fra1.dfn.de!news.tele.dk!209.50.235.254!europa.netcrusader.net!152.163.239.129!portc01.blue.aol.com!news-out.usenetserver.com!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!news.mindspring.net!hshubs Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:71977 In article <3a4fece2.49301229@news.iglou.com>, bmarcum@iglou.com (Bill Marcum) wrote: >I've seen some 78 rpm records, but never a 16. I heard that 16 rpm >was used for "talking books" for the blind. I used to have a vinyl player with all four speeds {16, 33, 45, 78}, but I've -never- seen a 16, and it's been quite a while (5 years?) since I saw a 78. -- Howard S Shubs "Run in circles, scream and shout!" "I hope you have good backups!" ###### From: Richard Drushel Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Which Cd Recorder is the best out there? Date: 1 Jan 2001 02:55:19 GMT Organization: Coleco ADAM Online, Ltd. Lines: 16 Message-ID: <92orin$o58$1@plonk.apk.net> References: <977262551snz@dsl.co.uk> <442.389T586T7334143@sky.bus.com> <3a4fece2.49301229@news.iglou.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: junior.apk.net X-Trace: plonk.apk.net 978317719 24744 207.54.158.20 (1 Jan 2001 02:55:19 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@apk.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 1 Jan 2001 02:55:19 GMT User-Agent: tin/pre-1.4-19990624 ("Dawnrazor") (UNIX) (SunOS/5.8 (sun4u)) Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!News.Amsterdam.UnisourceCS!skynet.be!newsfeed.cwix.com!sjc-peer.news.verio.net!news.verio.net!novia!atl1-feed1.news.digex.net!dca1-feed1.news.digex.net!intermedia!plonk.apk.net!news.apk.net!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:71948 Bill Marcum spake unto the ether: : I heard that 16 rpm : was used for "talking books" for the blind. Nah, it's for listening to Alvin and the Chipmunks LPs and hearing David Seville (a.k.a. Ross Bagdasarian) singing all the parts at half tempo :-) You can finally understand what Alvin is saying when he freaks out at Dave :-) *Rich* -- Richard F. Drushel, Ph.D. | "Aplysia californica" is your taxonomic Department of Biology, Slug Division | nomenclature. / A slug, by any other Case Western Reserve University | name, is still a slug by nature. Cleveland, Ohio 44106-7080 U.S.A. | -- apologies to Data, "Ode to Spot" ###### From: bhk@dsl.co.uk (Brian {Hamilton Kelly}) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Which Cd Recorder is the best out there? Date: Mon, 01 Jan 2001 04:43:04 GMT Organization: Dragonhill Systems Ltd Message-ID: <978324184snz@dsl.co.uk> References: <977262551snz@dsl.co.uk> <442.389T586T7334143@sky.bus.com> <3a4fece2.49301229@news.iglou.com> X-Trace: mail2news.demon.co.uk 978359327 mail2news:17382 mail2news mail2news.demon.co.uk X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net X-Mail2News-Path: news.demon.net!dsl.demon.co.uk X-Newsreader: Demon Internet Simple News v1.31 Lines: 29 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!tungurahua!news-ge.switch.ch!newsfeeds.belnet.be!news.belnet.be!colt.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!mail2news.demon.co.uk!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:72012 In article <3a4fece2.49301229@news.iglou.com> bmarcum@iglou.com "Bill Marcum" writes: > "Charlie Gibbs" wrote: > > >In article <977262551snz@dsl.co.uk> bhk@dsl.co.uk > >(Brian {Hamilton Kelly}) writes: > > > >>Throughout the 1960s & 70s, "HiFis" always had four speed turntables > >>(often, ugh, autochangers). I believe that 78 probably disappeared > >>before 16. > > > >I think 16 disappeared first. My Dual 1219 has 33, 45, and 78, > >while its predecessor, the 1019, had 16 as well. > > > I've seen some 78 rpm records, but never a 16. I heard that 16 rpm > was used for "talking books" for the blind. Umm, did you *read* the entire thread? I think you'll find that this is where I came in. Tssk, tssk. -- Brian {Hamilton Kelly} bhk@dsl.co.uk "We have gone from a world of concentrated knowledge and wisdom to one of distributed ignorance. And we know and understand less while being incr- easingly capable." Prof. Peter Cochrane, BT Labs ###### From: jmfbahciv@aol.com Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Which Cd Recorder is the best out there? Date: Sat, 06 Jan 01 11:53:12 GMT Organization: UltraNet Communications, Inc. Lines: 28 Message-ID: <93752k$pqk$14@bob.news.rcn.net> References: <977262551snz@dsl.co.uk> <442.389T586T7334143@sky.bus.com> <3a4fece2.49301229@news.iglou.com> <93309r$m9e$1@saltmine.radix.net> <20010106.11200700@ron-ws.wellsted> X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVYiVtMPxXRsPTem1VfpPXghfHQB1oO37OzMEtrckcrtho6QDM59c1+z X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 6 Jan 2001 13:03:16 GMT X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #4 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!feed2.news.rcn.net!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!207-172-216-125 Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:72262 In article <20010106.11200700@ron-ws.wellsted>, Ron Wellsted wrote: >On 04/01/01, 23:17:15, "Keith F. Lynch" wrote >regarding Re: Which Cd Recorder is the best out there?: > >- - - 8< - - - > >> Nitpick: The speeds are actually 16 2/3, 33 1/3 (exactly twice as >> fast, 100 revolutions in 3 minutes), 45, and 1800/23 (about 78.261). > >> That last one was chosen as a convenient gear ratio for 60 Hz >> synchronous motors. I'm not sure what people with 50 Hz current did. > >But the original 78 RPM gramophones used NO electrical parts. They >consisted of a clockwork motor with a centrifugal governor with direct >drive to the turntable. The pickup used a steel or fibre (wooden) needle >(none of these new-fangled styli) connected via a lever to the center of >a diaphragm leading into an exponential horn. > >Volume control was achieved by stuffing a rolled up sock into the throat >of the horn. Is that where the saying, "Put a sock in it!" came from? Neat! /BAH Subtract a hundred and four for e-mail. ###### From: "Keith F. Lynch" Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Which Cd Recorder is the best out there? Date: 4 Jan 2001 18:17:15 -0500 Organization: United Individualist Lines: 18 Message-ID: <93309r$m9e$1@saltmine.radix.net> References: <977262551snz@dsl.co.uk> <442.389T586T7334143@sky.bus.com> <3a4fece2.49301229@news.iglou.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: saltmine.radix.net Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!kanja.arnes.si!news-hub.siol.net!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!saltmine.radix.net!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:72290 "Charlie Gibbs" wrote: > I think 16 disappeared first. My Dual 1219 has 33, 45, and 78, > while its predecessor, the 1019, had 16 as well. I think 16 RPM records will greatly outlast records of all the other speeds. Or at least two of them will. Though those two will probably never be played again. At least not by members of our species. Nitpick: The speeds are actually 16 2/3, 33 1/3 (exactly twice as fast, 100 revolutions in 3 minutes), 45, and 1800/23 (about 78.261). That last one was chosen as a convenient gear ratio for 60 Hz synchronous motors. I'm not sure what people with 50 Hz current did. -- Keith F. Lynch - kfl@keithlynch.net - http://keithlynch.net/ I always welcome replies to my e-mail, postings, and web pages, but unsolicited bulk e-mail sent to thousands of randomly collected addresses is not acceptable, and I do complain to the spammer's ISP. ###### From: bhk@dsl.co.uk (Brian {Hamilton Kelly}) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Which Cd Recorder is the best out there? Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2001 17:52:14 GMT Organization: Dragonhill Systems Ltd Message-ID: <978717134snz@dsl.co.uk> References: <977262551snz@dsl.co.uk> <442.389T586T7334143@sky.bus.com> <3a4fece2.49301229@news.iglou.com> <93309r$m9e$1@saltmine.radix.net> X-Trace: mail2news.demon.co.uk 978720266 mail2news:25575 mail2news mail2news.demon.co.uk X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net X-Mail2News-Path: news.demon.net!dsl.demon.co.uk X-Newsreader: Demon Internet Simple News v1.31 Lines: 30 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newsfeeds.belnet.be!news.belnet.be!btnet-peer1!btnet-peer0!btnet!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!mail2news.demon.co.uk!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:72404 In article <93309r$m9e$1@saltmine.radix.net> kfl@KeithLynch.net "Keith F. Lynch" writes: > I think 16 RPM records will greatly outlast records of all the other > speeds. Or at least two of them will. Though those two will probably > never be played again. At least not by members of our species. On board Pioneer, presumably? > Nitpick: The speeds are actually 16 2/3, 33 1/3 (exactly twice as > fast, 100 revolutions in 3 minutes), 45, and 1800/23 (about 78.261). > > That last one was chosen as a convenient gear ratio for 60 Hz > synchronous motors. I'm not sure what people with 50 Hz current did. Bollocks[tm]! 78rpm records were around long before anyone thought of driving the turntable electrically, and definitely before there were any standardized 60c/s main supplies. Although I'll agree that the "78" was somewhat nominal (which is why better quality gramomphones had a variable speed control on the governor, so that those with perfect pitch could compensate for the differences between platter speed chosen by the particular recording company). -- Brian {Hamilton Kelly} bhk@dsl.co.uk "We have gone from a world of concentrated knowledge and wisdom to one of distributed ignorance. And we know and understand less while being incr- easingly capable." Prof. Peter Cochrane, BT Labs ###### From: nailed_barnacleSPAMFREE@hotmail.com (barnacle) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Which Cd Recorder is the best out there? Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2001 21:35:36 GMT Organization: BT Internet Lines: 33 Message-ID: <935el9$nnj$2@neptunium.btinternet.com> References: <977262551snz@dsl.co.uk> <442.389T586T7334143@sky.bus.com> <3a4fece2.49301229@news.iglou.com> <93309r$m9e$1@saltmine.radix.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: host213-122-236-210.btinternet.com X-Newsreader: News Xpress 2.01 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news.tesion.net!news.belwue.de!news-stu1.dfn.de!news-mue1.dfn.de!news-nue1.dfn.de!uni-erlangen.de!newsfeeds.belnet.be!news.belnet.be!btnet-peer1!btnet-feed5!btnet!mendelevium.btinternet.com!egbert Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:72367 In article <93309r$m9e$1@saltmine.radix.net>, "Keith F. Lynch" wrote: >"Charlie Gibbs" wrote: >> I think 16 disappeared first. My Dual 1219 has 33, 45, and 78, >> while its predecessor, the 1019, had 16 as well. > >I think 16 RPM records will greatly outlast records of all the other >speeds. Or at least two of them will. Though those two will probably >never be played again. At least not by members of our species. > >Nitpick: The speeds are actually 16 2/3, 33 1/3 (exactly twice as >fast, 100 revolutions in 3 minutes), 45, and 1800/23 (about 78.261). > >That last one was chosen as a convenient gear ratio for 60 Hz >synchronous motors. I'm not sure what people with 50 Hz current did. In every non-direct drive or belt drive system I've ever seen, it's always been done with a rubber idler wheel between the inner rim of the platter and a stepped cone: (use non-prop font) ____________________________ __________________________ | platter | | _|_ | | 16rpm _| |_ v | | 33rpm _| |<============>| | 45rpm |___________| ^ |_| 78rpm | idler Motor under here -- I have a quantum car. Every time I look at the speedometer I get lost... barnacle http://www.nailed-barnacle.co.uk ###### Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers References: <977262551snz@dsl.co.uk> <442.389T586T7334143@sky.bus.com> <3a4fece2.49301229@news.iglou.com> <93309r$m9e$1@saltmine.radix.net> From: jata@aepiax.net (Julian Thomas) Subject: Re: Which Cd Recorder is the best out there? Message-ID: <3a56588c$5$wg$mr2ice@news.epix.net> X-Newsreader: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v2.21/21 Lines: 26 Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2001 23:28:15 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 199.224.125.62 X-Complaints-To: abuse@epix.net X-Trace: news1.epix.net 978737295 199.224.125.62 (Fri, 05 Jan 2001 18:28:15 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2001 18:28:15 EST Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!isdnet!195.25.12.36.MISMATCH!oleane.net!oleane!news-raspail.gip.net!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!news2.epix.net!news1.epix.net!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:72314 In <93309r$m9e$1@saltmine.radix.net>, on 01/04/01 at 06:17 PM, "Keith F. Lynch" said: >Nitpick: The speeds are actually 16 2/3, 33 1/3 (exactly twice as fast, >100 revolutions in 3 minutes), 45, and 1800/23 (about 78.261). >That last one was chosen as a convenient gear ratio for 60 Hz synchronous >motors. I'm not sure what people with 50 Hz current did. Most consumer 78 turntables used a motor where the spindle drove an idler wheel which contacted the inside of the outer rim of the turntable. I suspect 50 cycle users were able to get different idler wheels. (And, in those days, it WAS referred to as 50 or 60 cycle [cycles/sec] AC). -- Julian Thomas: jt . epix @ net http://home.epix.net/~jt remove letter a for email (or switch . and @) In the beautiful Finger Lakes Wine Country of New York State! Boardmember of POSSI.org - Phoenix OS/2 Society, Inc http://www.possi.org -- -- Four wheel drive allows you to get stuck in places even more inaccessible. ###### From: nailed_barnacleSPAMFREE@hotmail.com (barnacle) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Which Cd Recorder is the best out there? Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2001 09:03:18 GMT Organization: BT Internet Lines: 26 Message-ID: <936mup$69e$1@uranium.btinternet.com> References: <977262551snz@dsl.co.uk> <442.389T586T7334143@sky.bus.com> <3a4fece2.49301229@news.iglou.com> <93309r$m9e$1@saltmine.radix.net> <3a56588c$5$wg$mr2ice@news.epix.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: host213-1-95-37.btinternet.com X-Newsreader: News Xpress 2.01 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newsfeeds.belnet.be!news.belnet.be!btnet-peer1!btnet-feed5!btnet!mendelevium.btinternet.com!egbert Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:72346 In article <3a56588c$5$wg$mr2ice@news.epix.net>, jata@aepiax.net (Julian Thomas) wrote: >In <93309r$m9e$1@saltmine.radix.net>, on 01/04/01 > at 06:17 PM, "Keith F. Lynch" said: > >>Nitpick: The speeds are actually 16 2/3, 33 1/3 (exactly twice as fast, >>100 revolutions in 3 minutes), 45, and 1800/23 (about 78.261). > >>That last one was chosen as a convenient gear ratio for 60 Hz synchronous >>motors. I'm not sure what people with 50 Hz current did. > >Most consumer 78 turntables used a motor where the spindle drove an idler >wheel which contacted the inside of the outer rim of the turntable. I >suspect 50 cycle users were able to get different idler wheels. (And, in >those days, it WAS referred to as 50 or 60 cycle [cycles/sec] AC). > No, the idler wheel size doesn't matter - it's the ratio of the drive spindle to the platter that sets the division ratio. Also, my earlier diagram failed to point out that the motor (or the idler wheel) has to move sideways as well as up and down... -- I have a quantum car. Every time I look at the speedometer I get lost... barnacle http://www.nailed-barnacle.co.uk ###### From: Ron Wellsted Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Which Cd Recorder is the best out there? Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2001 11:20:07 GMT Organization: (Posted via) GTS Netcom - Public USENET Service http://pubnews.netcom.net.uk Lines: 27 Sender: ron@wellsted.org.uk Message-ID: <20010106.11200700@ron-ws.wellsted> References: <977262551snz@dsl.co.uk> <442.389T586T7334143@sky.bus.com> <3a4fece2.49301229@news.iglou.com> <93309r$m9e$1@saltmine.radix.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: usr68-wol.cableinet.co.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: taliesin.netcom.net.uk 978780273 24607 194.117.145.78 (6 Jan 2001 11:24:33 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@corp.netcom.net.uk NNTP-Posting-Date: 6 Jan 2001 11:24:33 GMT X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-Newsreader: Mozilla/3.0 (compatible; StarOffice/5.2;Linux) Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news.tesion.net!news.belwue.de!informatik.tu-muenchen.de!news.csl-gmbh.net!blackbush.xlink.net!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!newsfeeds.belnet.be!news.belnet.be!btnet-peer1!btnet-peer0!btnet-peer!btnet!diablo.netcom.net.uk!netcom.net.uk!pubnews.netcom.net.uk!news.wellsted.org.uk!nobody Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:72248 On 04/01/01, 23:17:15, "Keith F. Lynch" wrote=20 regarding Re: Which Cd Recorder is the best out there?: - - - 8< - - - > Nitpick: The speeds are actually 16 2/3, 33 1/3 (exactly twice as > fast, 100 revolutions in 3 minutes), 45, and 1800/23 (about 78.261). > That last one was chosen as a convenient gear ratio for 60 Hz > synchronous motors. I'm not sure what people with 50 Hz current did. But the original 78 RPM gramophones used NO electrical parts. They=20 consisted of a clockwork motor with a centrifugal governor with direct=20 drive to the turntable. The pickup used a steel or fibre (wooden) needl= e=20 (none of these new-fangled styli) connected via a lever to the center of= =20 a diaphragm leading into an exponential horn. Volume control was achieved by stuffing a rolled up sock into the throat= =20 of the horn. --=20 Ron Wellsted E-mail: ron@wellsted.org.uk Web Site: http://www.wellsted.org.uk ###### From: nailed_barnacleSPAMFREE@hotmail.com (barnacle) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Which Cd Recorder is the best out there? Date: Sun, 07 Jan 2001 06:44:42 GMT Organization: BT Internet Lines: 26 Message-ID: <93936m$5fn$3@uranium.btinternet.com> References: <977262551snz@dsl.co.uk> <442.389T586T7334143@sky.bus.com> <3a4fece2.49301229@news.iglou.com> <93309r$m9e$1@saltmine.radix.net> <3a56588c$5$wg$mr2ice@news.epix.net> <936mup$69e$1@uranium.btinternet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: host213-1-173-196.btinternet.com X-Newsreader: News Xpress 2.01 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news.tesion.net!news.belwue.de!news-stu1.dfn.de!news-mue1.dfn.de!news-nue1.dfn.de!uni-erlangen.de!newsfeeds.belnet.be!news.belnet.be!btnet-peer1!btnet-feed5!btnet!mendelevium.btinternet.com!egbert Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:72461 In article , javnews@earthlink.net wrote: >On Sat, 6 Jan 2001 09:03:18, nailed_barnacleSPAMFREE@hotmail.com (barnacle) >wrote: > >> No, the idler wheel size doesn't matter - it's the ratio of the drive spindle > >> to the platter that sets the division ratio. > >Which may be the reason for having an idler wheel. If a smaller drive wheel >is installed a larger idler compensates (provided its axle can be moved >accordingly). > Yes, that's why it moves sideways and up and down, to select the different spindle widths on the drive motor. It also keeps constant speed if it wears down. Probably folklore, but I heard once that the original 4-track tape machines used by the Beatles at Abbey Road Studios had mains frequency locked capstan motors with capstans set to give correct tape speeds at 60Hz. The UK uses 50Hz of course, so some of the early Beatles masters are recorded at a very odd tape speed and can only be played back on those machines. -- I have a quantum car. Every time I look at the speedometer I get lost... barnacle http://www.nailed-barnacle.co.uk ###### From: nailed_barnacleSPAMFREE@hotmail.com (barnacle) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Which Cd Recorder is the best out there? Date: Sun, 07 Jan 2001 06:48:57 GMT Organization: BT Internet Lines: 40 Message-ID: <9393el$p5c$1@plutonium.btinternet.com> References: <977262551snz@dsl.co.uk> <442.389T586T7334143@sky.bus.com> <3a4fece2.49301229@news.iglou.com> <93309r$m9e$1@saltmine.radix.net> <20010106.11200700@ron-ws.wellsted> NNTP-Posting-Host: host213-1-173-196.btinternet.com X-Newsreader: News Xpress 2.01 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news.tesion.net!news.belwue.de!news-stu1.dfn.de!news-mue1.dfn.de!news-nue1.dfn.de!uni-erlangen.de!newsfeeds.belnet.be!news.belnet.be!btnet-peer1!btnet-feed5!btnet!mendelevium.btinternet.com!egbert Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:72469 In article <20010106.11200700@ron-ws.wellsted>, Ron Wellsted wrote: >On 04/01/01, 23:17:15, "Keith F. Lynch" wrote=20 >regarding Re: Which Cd Recorder is the best out there?: > >- - - 8< - - - > >> Nitpick: The speeds are actually 16 2/3, 33 1/3 (exactly twice as >> fast, 100 revolutions in 3 minutes), 45, and 1800/23 (about 78.261). > >> That last one was chosen as a convenient gear ratio for 60 Hz >> synchronous motors. I'm not sure what people with 50 Hz current did. > >But the original 78 RPM gramophones used NO electrical parts. They=20 >consisted of a clockwork motor with a centrifugal governor with direct=20 >drive to the turntable. The pickup used a steel or fibre (wooden) needl= >e=20 >(none of these new-fangled styli) connected via a lever to the center of= >=20 >a diaphragm leading into an exponential horn. > >Volume control was achieved by stuffing a rolled up sock into the throat= >=20 >of the horn. c.f Flanders and Swann - A song of Reproduction: I had a little gramophone I wound it round and round And with a sharpish needle It made a cheerful sound And then they amplified it It was much louder then So we sharpened fibre needles To make it soft again! -- I have a quantum car. Every time I look at the speedometer I get lost... barnacle http://www.nailed-barnacle.co.uk ###### From: "John Homes" Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Which Cd Recorder is the best out there? Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 12:33:04 +1300 Organization: EDS (New Zealand) Lines: 25 Message-ID: <93auag$dhs$1@hermes.nz.eds.com> References: <977262551snz@dsl.co.uk> <442.389T586T7334143@sky.bus.com> <3a4fece2.49301229@news.iglou.com> <93309r$m9e$1@saltmine.radix.net> <20010106.11200700@ron-ws.wellsted> <9393el$p5c$1@plutonium.btinternet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: dhcp-134-251-160-231.dhcp.nz.eds.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news.tesion.net!news.belwue.de!news-stu1.dfn.de!news-mue1.dfn.de!news-nue1.dfn.de!uni-erlangen.de!newsfeed.germany.net!fr.clara.net!heighliner.fr.clara.net!grolier!skynet.be!newsfeed01.tsnz.net!news.eds.co.nz!news.nz.eds.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:72588 barnacle wrote in message <9393el$p5c$1@plutonium.btinternet.com>... >c.f Flanders and Swann - A song of Reproduction: > >I had a little gramophone >I wound it round and round >And with a sharpish needle >It made a cheerful sound >And then they amplified it >It was much louder then >So we sharpened fibre needles I always heard that as "We sharpified the needle". To go with "amplified". John Homes >To make it soft again! > > >-- >I have a quantum car. Every time I look at the speedometer I get lost... >barnacle >http://www.nailed-barnacle.co.uk ###### From: Dennis Ritchie Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Which Cd Recorder is the best out there? Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2001 02:24:41 +0000 Organization: Bell Labs/Lucent Technologies Lines: 25 Message-ID: <3A5924E9.AAF468C4@bell-labs.com> References: <977262551snz@dsl.co.uk> <442.389T586T7334143@sky.bus.com> <3a4fece2.49301229@news.iglou.com> <93309r$m9e$1@saltmine.radix.net> <20010106.11200700@ron-ws.wellsted> <9393el$p5c$1@plutonium.btinternet.com> <93auag$dhs$1@hermes.nz.eds.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: trux.cs.bell-labs.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news.tesion.net!news.belwue.de!news-stu1.dfn.de!news-koe1.dfn.de!news-was.dfn.de!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!198.6.0.7!uunet!ash.uu.net!nntphub.cb.lucent.com!news Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:72542 John Homes wrote: > > barnacle wrote in message <9393el$p5c$1@plutonium.btinternet.com>... > >c.f Flanders and Swann - A song of Reproduction: > > > >I had a little gramophone > >I wound it round and round > >And with a sharpish needle > >It made a cheerful sound > >And then they amplified it > >It was much louder then > >So we sharpened fibre needles > > I always heard that as "We sharpified the needle". To go with "amplified". On the CD I have, the line is unambiguously And you sharpened fibre needles to make it soft again. Not that F&S didn't tweak the lyrics over the years. Dennis ###### From: nailed_barnacleSPAMFREE@hotmail.com (barnacle) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Which Cd Recorder is the best out there? Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2001 19:17:03 GMT Organization: BT Internet Lines: 27 Message-ID: <93d3l3$ru8$3@neptunium.btinternet.com> References: <977262551snz@dsl.co.uk> <442.389T586T7334143@sky.bus.com> <3a4fece2.49301229@news.iglou.com> <93309r$m9e$1@saltmine.radix.net> <20010106.11200700@ron-ws.wellsted> <9393el$p5c$1@plutonium.btinternet.com> <93auag$dhs$1@hermes.nz.eds.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: host213-1-167-78.btinternet.com X-Newsreader: News Xpress 2.01 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newsfeeds.belnet.be!news.belnet.be!btnet-peer1!btnet-feed5!btnet!mendelevium.btinternet.com!egbert Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:72635 In article <93auag$dhs$1@hermes.nz.eds.com>, "John Homes" wrote: > >barnacle wrote in message <9393el$p5c$1@plutonium.btinternet.com>... >>c.f Flanders and Swann - A song of Reproduction: >> >>I had a little gramophone >>I wound it round and round >>And with a sharpish needle >>It made a cheerful sound >>And then they amplified it >>It was much louder then >>So we sharpened fibre needles > >I always heard that as "We sharpified the needle". To go with "amplified". > > John Homes > >>To make it soft again! >> It could be. But I had it as written from transcribed lyrics on a site sadly no longer available, and that's as I've always heard it. -- I have a quantum car. Every time I look at the speedometer I get lost... barnacle http://www.nailed-barnacle.co.uk ###### From: "Bob Billing (AKA Uncle Bob)" Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Which Cd Recorder is the best out there? Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2001 19:59:17 +0000 Message-ID: <3A5A1C15.11C46AC7@tnglwood.demon.co.uk> References: <977262551snz@dsl.co.uk> <442.389T586T7334143@sky.bus.com> <3a4fece2.49301229@news.iglou.com> <93309r$m9e$1@saltmine.radix.net> <20010106.11200700@ron-ws.wellsted> <9393el$p5c$1@plutonium.btinternet.com> <93auag$dhs$1@hermes.nz.eds.com> <93d3l3$ru8$3@neptunium.btinternet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: tnglwood.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: tnglwood.demon.co.uk:158.152.132.30 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 978993948 nnrp-10:25088 NO-IDENT tnglwood.demon.co.uk:158.152.132.30 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.14-5.0 i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 24 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newsfeeds.belnet.be!news.belnet.be!skynet.be!newshub1.nl.home.com!news.nl.home.com!bullseye.news.demon.net!news.demon.co.uk!demon!tnglwood.demon.co.uk!falstaff.tanglewood!nobody Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:72609 barnacle wrote: > >>So we sharpened fibre needles > It could be. But I had it as written from transcribed lyrics on a site sadly > no longer available, and that's as I've always heard it. It's not in the F&S song book. But IIRC fibre needles were used on 78RPM gramophones to reduce wear on the records, and under some conditions to give better reproduction. I remember that song coming out while my father was busily building a homebrew hi-fi that he never quite finished. We both thought it killingly funny. It's one of my earliest memories of the old chap, the two of us going through all the components in the kit with two multimeters before we assembled it. He was checking resistor values, I was checking all the capacitors for leakage. We had time to do that sort of thing then. -- I am Robert Billing, Christian, inventor, traveller, cook and animal lover, I live near 0:46W 51:22N. http://www.tnglwood.demon.co.uk/ "It burned me from within. It quickened; I was with book as a woman is with child." CS Lewis - Till we have faces, Ch 21. ###### From: john@polo.demon.co.uk (John Winters) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Which Cd Recorder is the best out there? Date: 8 Jan 2001 21:33:01 -0000 Organization: The Linux Emporium Message-ID: <93dbmd$h2s$1@polo.demon.co.uk> References: <9393el$p5c$1@plutonium.btinternet.com> <93auag$dhs$1@hermes.nz.eds.com> <93d3l3$ru8$3@neptunium.btinternet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: unseen.linuxemporium.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: unseen.linuxemporium.co.uk:194.70.1.33 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 978990472 nnrp-08:12931 NO-IDENT unseen.linuxemporium.co.uk:194.70.1.33 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net Lines: 33 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news.tesion.net!news.belwue.de!news-stu1.dfn.de!news-koe1.dfn.de!news-fra1.dfn.de!news.tele.dk!194.42.224.136!diablo.netcom.net.uk!netcom.net.uk!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!unseen.linuxemporium.co.uk!polo.demon.co.uk!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:72582 In article <93d3l3$ru8$3@neptunium.btinternet.com>, barnacle wrote: >In article <93auag$dhs$1@hermes.nz.eds.com>, "John Homes" wrote: >> >>barnacle wrote in message <9393el$p5c$1@plutonium.btinternet.com>... >>>c.f Flanders and Swann - A song of Reproduction: >>> >>>I had a little gramophone >>>I wound it round and round >>>And with a sharpish needle >>>It made a cheerful sound >>>And then they amplified it >>>It was much louder then >>>So we sharpened fibre needles >> >>I always heard that as "We sharpified the needle". To go with "amplified". >> >> John Homes >> >>>To make it soft again! >>> > >It could be. But I had it as written from transcribed lyrics on a site sadly >no longer available, and that's as I've always heard it. And you did indeed sharpen fibre needles. John -- John Winters. Wallingford, Oxon, England. The Linux Emporium - the source for Linux CDs in the UK See http://www.linuxemporium.co.uk/ ###### From: Eric Fischer Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Which Cd Recorder is the best out there? Date: 15 Jan 2001 02:08:24 GMT Lines: 16 Message-ID: <93tm2o$937$1@bob.news.rcn.net> References: <20010106.11200700@ron-ws.wellsted> <9393el$p5c$1@plutonium.btinternet.com> <93auag$dhs$1@hermes.nz.eds.com> X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVbYryFG/lJ3JivXkNelQ6nsBp7WrWmyeoDXzdbGAL+hoaF6q7lsr7QN X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 15 Jan 2001 02:08:24 GMT X-Newsreader: trn 4.0-test72 (19 April 1999) Originator: enf@enteract.com (Eric Fischer) Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news.tesion.net!news.belwue.de!news-stu1.dfn.de!news-mue1.dfn.de!news-was.dfn.de!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!feed2.news.rcn.net!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:73210 John Homes wrote: > >I had a little gramophone / I wound it round and round > >And with a sharpish needle / It made a cheerful sound > >And then they amplified it / It was much louder then > >So we sharpened fibre needles > > I always heard that as "We sharpified the needle". To go with "amplified". Could be. But I bet it's actually a reference to the bamboo needles you could get for acoustically amplified turntables, which produced a quieter sound than metal needles but with less surface noise, and which periodicaly needed to be sharpened by clipping the end off with a special tool made for the purpose. Eric