Message-ID: <3A0B0FB2.9B7B360B@uchicago.edu> From: Simon Allaway Organization: University of Chicago X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Musical mainframe Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 17 NNTP-Posting-Host: 128.135.145.16 X-Trace: uchinews 973803201 128.135.145.16 (Thu, 09 Nov 2000 14:53:21 CST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 09 Nov 2000 14:53:21 CST Date: Thu, 09 Nov 2000 14:57:22 -0600 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!enews.sgi.com!paloalto-snf1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!newsfeed.stanford.edu!uchinews!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:67922 A friend of mine forward this to me: Realaudio clip of "Daisy" generated on an IBM 7094 in 1961 by John Kelly and Carol Lockbaum. http://www.vortex.com/rmf/daisy.ram I'm intrigued as to what mechanism actually made the noise. Or was it just interference picked up by a nearby radio? Simon -- Simon Allaway | "It's not a firewall, University of Chicago | it's a leather pouch." 5-4390 Haskell Hall | - Anon. ###### From: "Charlie Gibbs" Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Musical mainframe Date: 09 Nov 00 16:41:22 -0800 Organization: http://extra.newsguy.com Lines: 26 Message-ID: <994.348T1110T10014827@sky.bus.com> References: <3A0B0FB2.9B7B360B@uchicago.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: p-735.newsdawg.com X-Newsreader: THOR 2.5a (Amiga;TCP/IP) Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.nextra.ch!news1.sunrise.ch!news.imp.ch!fr.clara.net!heighliner.fr.clara.net!news.tele.dk!171.64.14.106!newsfeed.stanford.edu!pln-w!spln!dex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!news1 Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:67967 In article <3A0B0FB2.9B7B360B@uchicago.edu> simona@uchicago.edu (Simon Allaway) writes: >A friend of mine forward this to me: > >Realaudio clip of "Daisy" generated on an IBM 7094 in 1961 by John >Kelly and Carol Lockbaum. > >http://www.vortex.com/rmf/daisy.ram > >I'm intrigued as to what mechanism actually made the noise. Or was it >just interference picked up by a nearby radio? In the late '60s I heard an album entitled "Music from Mathematics", which contained that same "Daisy" plus many other things. It claimed that the sounds were made by an "IBM 7094 and digital-to-sound transducer" - which sounds like some sort of dedicated hardware. By this time I had already heard the IBM 1620 demo which did use a radio, and was inspired to write my own for the Univac 9300 - this was much better. I can't remember whether the album's liner notes said anything about the hardware that was used. -- cgibbs@sky.bus.com (Charlie Gibbs) Remove the first period after the "at" sign to reply. ###### From: HAM Luiijf Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Musical mainframe Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2000 01:11:15 +0100 Organization: TNO-FEL Lines: 38 Message-ID: <3A0B3D23.CC4C799A@fel.tno.nl> References: <3A0B0FB2.9B7B360B@uchicago.edu> Reply-To: luiijf@fel.tno.nl NNTP-Posting-Host: nss.fel.tno.nl Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: news.surfnet.nl 973815055 2785 195.169.92.5 (10 Nov 2000 00:10:55 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@news.surfnet.nl NNTP-Posting-Date: 10 Nov 2000 00:10:55 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en]C-Netscape2000 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en,nl,de,af,fr Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!naxos.belnet.be!news.belnet.be!surfnet.nl!news.surfnet.nl!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:67936 Normally the chain or bar printer Simon Allaway wrote: > > A friend of mine forward this to me: > > Realaudio clip of "Daisy" generated on an IBM 7094 in 1961 by John Kelly > and Carol Lockbaum. > > http://www.vortex.com/rmf/daisy.ram > > I'm intrigued as to what mechanism actually made the noise. 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Box 96864, 2509 JG The Hague Webmaster http://www.tno.nl/instit/fel The Netherlands Phone: +31 70 3740312 Email: luiijf@fel.tno.nl Fax: +31 70 3740651 ###### From: "John Coelho" Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers References: <3A0B0FB2.9B7B360B@uchicago.edu> Subject: Re: Musical mainframe Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2000 19:47:45 -0500 Lines: 30 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.51.216.81 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.51.216.81 Message-ID: <3a0b45b6_2@news.cybertours.com> X-Trace: 9 Nov 2000 19:47:50 -0500, 208.51.216.81 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.98.63.6 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.nextra.ch!news1.sunrise.ch!news.imp.ch!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp.abs.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!news.cybertours.com!208.51.216.81 Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:68032 Back in the sixties we had music programs that "played" the printer, using the carriage control tape mechanism for drums. (This was on IBM equipment). We also had music programs for the 1401 that played via RF interference through a radio placed near the console. I think "Daisy" was one of those. The version in your clip sounds much better than any RF interference program I remember. John C Simon Allaway wrote in message news:3A0B0FB2.9B7B360B@uchicago.edu... > A friend of mine forward this to me: > > Realaudio clip of "Daisy" generated on an IBM 7094 in 1961 by John Kelly > and Carol Lockbaum. > > http://www.vortex.com/rmf/daisy.ram > > I'm intrigued as to what mechanism actually made the noise. Or was it > just interference picked up by a nearby radio? > > Simon > > > -- > Simon Allaway | "It's not a firewall, > University of Chicago | it's a leather pouch." > 5-4390 Haskell Hall | - Anon. ###### From: "Russell Flowers" Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers References: <3A0B0FB2.9B7B360B@uchicago.edu> Subject: Re: Musical mainframe Lines: 41 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2000 22:49:20 -0600 NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.6.175.223 X-Trace: newsfeed.slurp.net 973831287 12.6.175.223 (Thu, 09 Nov 2000 22:41:27 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 09 Nov 2000 22:41:27 CDT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.slurp.net!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:68061 From http://www.institute.ieee.org/INST/mar98/histquiz.html : 'It was done in 1961 at Bell Labs on an IBM 7094. The singing synthesis used a dynamic vocal tract tube model. The output device was a computer tape to audio converter called the "Hare" gear, which included a buffer to remove the jitter and record gaps on the digital tape.' I'm still not sure what *this* means :-) I vaguely remember seeing (on tape) a demonstration of a fellow controlling some kind of wind-and-reed device. With a few simple controls, it could be made to talk - even with inflection. It sounded a lot like the vocals on that clip. I'm not sure the origins, but I think the tape was from the '60s. Sorry, I don't remember the guy's name. -- Russell Flowers "Nobody moves or everybody gets hurt!" Homepage - http://lightning.prohosting.com/~opus2 "Simon Allaway" wrote in message news:3A0B0FB2.9B7B360B@uchicago.edu... > A friend of mine forward this to me: > > Realaudio clip of "Daisy" generated on an IBM 7094 in 1961 by John Kelly > and Carol Lockbaum. > > http://www.vortex.com/rmf/daisy.ram > > I'm intrigued as to what mechanism actually made the noise. Or was it > just interference picked up by a nearby radio? > > Simon > > > -- > Simon Allaway | "It's not a firewall, > University of Chicago | it's a leather pouch." > 5-4390 Haskell Hall | - Anon. ###### From: Dennis Ritchie Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Musical mainframe Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2000 06:11:28 +0000 Organization: Bell Labs / Lucent Technologies Lines: 45 Message-ID: <3A0B9190.D1259A8A@bell-labs.com> References: <3A0B0FB2.9B7B360B@uchicago.edu> <994.348T1110T10014827@sky.bus.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: trux.cs.bell-labs.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.nextra.ch!news1.sunrise.ch!news.imp.ch!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!howland.erols.net!news-out.worldnet.att.net.MISMATCH!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!207.24.196.41!nntphub.cb.lucent.com!news Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:67959 Charlie Gibbs wrote: > > In article <3A0B0FB2.9B7B360B@uchicago.edu> simona@uchicago.edu > (Simon Allaway) writes: > ... > >Realaudio clip of "Daisy" generated on an IBM 7094 in 1961 by John > >Kelly and Carol Lockbaum. (The spelling is actually Lochbaum -- dmr) > > > >http://www.vortex.com/rmf/daisy.ram > > > >I'm intrigued as to what mechanism actually made the noise. Or was it > >just interference picked up by a nearby radio? > > In the late '60s I heard an album entitled "Music from Mathematics", > which contained that same "Daisy" plus many other things. It claimed > that the sounds were made by an "IBM 7094 and digital-to-sound > transducer" - which sounds like some sort of dedicated hardware. > By this time I had already heard the IBM 1620 demo which did use > a radio, and was inspired to write my own for the Univac 9300 - > this was much better. I can't remember whether the album's liner > notes said anything about the hardware that was used. My family used to have that record too--it was, I think, a 10" LP. It came from a conjugation of two lines of research at Bell Labs during (approximately) the 60's. The verbal part was a demo of the human vocal-tract modeling work--vocoders and whatnot--by Kelly, Lochbaum and others; the musical aspect owed mainly to the inspiration of Max Mathews, an early pioneer in digital music. I don't know how the final D-A worked, but in general the digital representation was indeed generated, after much computation, on magnetic tape which was later read by the transducer. This all took place just down the hall from my office, but mostly a bit before I arrived in it. I suspect Doug Jones might have a memory or so once he's gotten over voting machines. Dennis ###### From: "Nico de Jong" Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers References: <3A0B0FB2.9B7B360B@uchicago.edu> <3a0b45b6_2@news.cybertours.com> Subject: Re: Musical mainframe Lines: 9 Organization: farum data aps MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2000 08:25:12 +0100 NNTP-Posting-Host: 130.228.39.65 X-Complaints-To: abuse@uni2.dk X-Trace: news.get2net.dk 973841129 130.228.39.65 (Fri, 10 Nov 2000 08:25:29 MET) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2000 08:25:29 MET Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.nextra.ch!news1.sunrise.ch!news.imp.ch!fr.clara.net!heighliner.fr.clara.net!news.tele.dk!129.240.148.23!uio.no!130.227.3.87.MISMATCH!neel.uni2.net!news.get2net.dk!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:67985 John Coelho skrev i news:3a0b45b6_2@news.cybertours.com > We also had music programs for the 1401 that played via RF interference > through a radio placed near the console. That is correct. We even did it on a 360/40, using a 1401 emulator Nico. ###### Message-ID: <3A0BABD9.17A1FEBD@netins.net> From: Chris Williams Organization: Chris B. Williams, Software Consulting & Design X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Musical mainframe References: <3A0B0FB2.9B7B360B@uchicago.edu> <994.348T1110T10014827@sky.bus.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 35 NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2000 02:51:01 CST X-Trace: sv2-RmWNpY6dSyMPGZ5xO6fY7/X4ND+z9GpDHwZi/q7kg+g0N2MDpuJkztHhWksZxL0vckxo50mBAGWv0un!nSUTzHukqG4= X-Complaints-To: abuse@GigaNews.Com X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2000 08:51:01 GMT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news.tesion.net!news.belwue.de!news-stu1.dfn.de!news-mue1.dfn.de!news.augsburg.net!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp.frontiernet.net!nntp.gblx.net!nntp.giganews.com!nntp3.aus1.giganews.com!news4.aus1.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:67943 Charlie Gibbs wrote: > In article <3A0B0FB2.9B7B360B@uchicago.edu> simona@uchicago.edu > (Simon Allaway) writes: > > >A friend of mine forward this to me: > > > >Realaudio clip of "Daisy" generated on an IBM 7094 in 1961 by John > >Kelly and Carol Lockbaum. > > > >http://www.vortex.com/rmf/daisy.ram > > > >I'm intrigued as to what mechanism actually made the noise. Or was it > >just interference picked up by a nearby radio? > > In the late '60s I heard an album entitled "Music from Mathematics", > which contained that same "Daisy" plus many other things. It claimed > that the sounds were made by an "IBM 7094 and digital-to-sound > transducer" - which sounds like some sort of dedicated hardware. > By this time I had already heard the IBM 1620 demo which did use > a radio, and was inspired to write my own for the Univac 9300 - > this was much better. I can't remember whether the album's liner > notes said anything about the hardware that was used. > > -- > cgibbs@sky.bus.com (Charlie Gibbs) > Remove the first period after the "at" sign to reply. Probably not so much of a coincidence that we find HAL singing Daisy in 2001. ###### Message-ID: <3A0C2625.86F2CE02@earthlink.net> From: jchausler X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Musical mainframe References: <3A0B0FB2.9B7B360B@uchicago.edu> <3a0b45b6_2@news.cybertours.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 21 Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2000 16:50:05 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 168.191.124.234 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net 973875005 168.191.124.234 (Fri, 10 Nov 2000 08:50:05 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2000 08:50:05 PST Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!machtgarnix.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!xfer13.netnews.com!netnews.com!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.mindspring.net.MISMATCH!news.mindspring.net!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!newsmaster1.prod.itd.earthlink.net!newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:67976 Nico de Jong wrote: > John Coelho skrev i > news:3a0b45b6_2@news.cybertours.com > > We also had music programs for the 1401 that played via RF interference > > through a radio placed near the console. > That is correct. We even did it on a 360/40, using a 1401 emulator My favorite was an RCA 501 which played tones via RF interference through a radio but also added percussion by using its console printer. Playing music by using RF interference was a relatively common thing for people to try and do "back then". I still (somewhere) have some DEC PDP-9 paper tapes including a "player" and two song tapes. Chris AN GETTO$;DUMP;RUN,ALGOL,TAPE $$ ###### From: "John L. Pearlman" Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Musical mainframe Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2000 12:38:42 -0500 Organization: The Internet Access Company, Inc. Lines: 31 Message-ID: <3A0C329B.56D6@tiac.net> References: <3A0B0FB2.9B7B360B@uchicago.edu> <3a0b45b6_2@news.cybertours.com> <3A0C2625.86F2CE02@earthlink.net> Reply-To: jlp@tapuach.tiac.net NNTP-Posting-Host: tapuach.tiac.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Macintosh; I; PPC) CC: "John L. Pearlman" Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.nextra.ch!news1.sunrise.ch!news.imp.ch!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-feed1.tiac.net!posterchild2.tiac.net!news@tiac.net Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:68122 jchausler wrote: > > Nico de Jong wrote: > > > John Coelho skrev i (snip) > My favorite was an RCA 501 which played tones via RF interference > through a radio but also added percussion by using its console printer. > Playing music by using RF interference was a relatively common thing > for people to try and do "back then". I still (somewhere) have some > DEC PDP-9 paper tapes including a "player" and two song tapes. > > Chris > AN GETTO$;DUMP;RUN,ALGOL,TAPE > $$ Although they were far from being mainframes, the early members of the HP 2100 series machines also could play music. I had a program that would play "Hora Staccato" by pulsing the relay of the tape reader. Cheers, John -- John L. Pearlman or If one man calls you a donkey, pay him no heed. If two men call you a donkey, get yourself a saddle. (ancient Rabbinic saying) ###### From: "David C. Barber" Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Musical mainframe Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2000 11:34:11 -0700 Organization: CTSnet Internet Services Lines: 27 Message-ID: <8uhf6r$2a02$1@thoth.cts.com> References: <3A0B0FB2.9B7B360B@uchicago.edu> X-Trace: thoth.cts.com 973881372 75778 208.167.188.227 (10 Nov 2000 18:36:12 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@cts.com X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.nextra.ch!news1.sunrise.ch!news.imp.ch!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!portc03.blue.aol.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!howland.erols.net!usc.edu!ragnarok.cts.com!thoth.cts.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:67963 I remember a similar trick with an IBM 1130 and a transistor radio. You could load the program, and the version we had came with several data decks of songs. It came as source code, and was a fairly simple Fortran IV program whose main feature was a DO loop with about thirty CONTINUE statements contained within it. The music was surprisingly good, considering. Tried the same program on a CDC-1704 -- a comparable machine of the time. The 2 minute song ran in about 1 second. I suspect CDC had a better optimizing Fortran compiler. *David Barber* "Simon Allaway" wrote in message news:3A0B0FB2.9B7B360B@uchicago.edu... > A friend of mine forward this to me: > > Realaudio clip of "Daisy" generated on an IBM 7094 in 1961 by John Kelly > and Carol Lockbaum. > > http://www.vortex.com/rmf/daisy.ram > > I'm intrigued as to what mechanism actually made the noise. Or was it > just interference picked up by a nearby radio? ###### From: "David C. Barber" Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Musical mainframe Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2000 11:36:13 -0700 Organization: CTSnet Internet Services Lines: 56 Message-ID: <8uhfal$2a9k$1@thoth.cts.com> References: <3A0B0FB2.9B7B360B@uchicago.edu> <994.348T1110T10014827@sky.bus.com> <3A0B9190.D1259A8A@bell-labs.com> X-Trace: thoth.cts.com 973881494 76084 208.167.188.227 (10 Nov 2000 18:38:14 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@cts.com X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.nextra.ch!news1.sunrise.ch!news.imp.ch!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!howland.erols.net!usc.edu!ragnarok.cts.com!thoth.cts.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:67978 So, RIP it to MP3 and post it. :^) Wouldn't that be the ultimate loop? Digital to analog and back to digital in only 29 years. *David Barber* "Dennis Ritchie" wrote in message news:3A0B9190.D1259A8A@bell-labs.com... > > > Charlie Gibbs wrote: > > > > In article <3A0B0FB2.9B7B360B@uchicago.edu> simona@uchicago.edu > > (Simon Allaway) writes: > > > ... > > >Realaudio clip of "Daisy" generated on an IBM 7094 in 1961 by John > > >Kelly and Carol Lockbaum. > > (The spelling is actually Lochbaum -- dmr) > > > > > > >http://www.vortex.com/rmf/daisy.ram > > > > > >I'm intrigued as to what mechanism actually made the noise. Or was it > > >just interference picked up by a nearby radio? > > > > In the late '60s I heard an album entitled "Music from Mathematics", > > which contained that same "Daisy" plus many other things. It claimed > > that the sounds were made by an "IBM 7094 and digital-to-sound > > transducer" - which sounds like some sort of dedicated hardware. > > By this time I had already heard the IBM 1620 demo which did use > > a radio, and was inspired to write my own for the Univac 9300 - > > this was much better. I can't remember whether the album's liner > > notes said anything about the hardware that was used. > > My family used to have that record too--it was, I think, a 10" LP. > It came from a conjugation of two lines of research at Bell Labs > during (approximately) the 60's. The verbal part was a demo of the > human vocal-tract modeling work--vocoders and whatnot--by Kelly, Lochbaum > and others; the musical aspect owed mainly to the inspiration > of Max Mathews, an early pioneer in digital music. I don't know > how the final D-A worked, but in general the digital representation > was indeed generated, after much computation, on magnetic tape which > was later read by the transducer. > > This all took place just down the hall from my office, but mostly a bit > before I arrived in it. > > I suspect Doug Jones might have a memory or so once he's gotten over > voting machines. > > Dennis ###### From: jcmorris@jmorris-pc.MITRE.ORG (Joe Morris) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Musical mainframe Date: 12 Nov 2000 17:17:15 GMT Organization: The MITRE Corporation Lines: 14 Message-ID: <8umjar$o2a$1@top.mitre.org> References: <3A0B0FB2.9B7B360B@uchicago.edu> <3a0b45b6_2@news.cybertours.com> <3A0C2625.86F2CE02@earthlink.net> <3A0C329B.56D6@tiac.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: jmorris-pc.mitre.org X-Trace: top.mitre.org 974049435 24650 128.29.251.13 (12 Nov 2000 17:17:15 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@news.mitre.org NNTP-Posting-Date: 12 Nov 2000 17:17:15 GMT X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.0 (NOV) Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.nextra.ch!news1.sunrise.ch!news.imp.ch!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!news.tufts.edu!blanket.mitre.org!news.mitre.org!jmorris-pc.MITRE.ORG!jcmorris Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:68163 "John L. Pearlman" writes: >Although they were far from being mainframes, the early members of the >HP 2100 series machines also could play music. I had a program that >would play "Hora Staccato" by pulsing the relay of the tape reader. Anyone with an H-P ScanJet 5p can listen to a rendition of _Ode to Joy_ by unplugging the SCSI connector, setting the SCSI ID switch to some number I don't recall (IIRC at the upper end of the range, probably 5 or 6), then turning the unit on while holding down the green SCAN button. The tones are played by driving the stepper motor that moves the carriage. Joe Morris ###### From: jsavard@fNrOeSePnAeMt.edmonton.ab.ca (John Savard) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Musical mainframe Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 20:28:30 GMT Organization: PowerSurfr - High Speed Internet Lines: 22 Message-ID: <3a104e99.15202044@news.powersurfr.com> References: <3A0B0FB2.9B7B360B@uchicago.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: c51082-001.powersurfr.com X-Trace: dagger.ab.videon.ca 974147173 24958 24.108.206.34 (13 Nov 2000 20:26:13 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@powersurfr.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 13 Nov 2000 20:26:13 GMT X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!machtgarnix.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newsfeeds.belnet.be!news.belnet.be!cyclone.bc.net!rover.ucs.ualberta.ca!news.ab.videon.ca!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:68302 On Thu, 09 Nov 2000 14:57:22 -0600, Simon Allaway wrote, in part: >A friend of mine forward this to me: > >Realaudio clip of "Daisy" generated on an IBM 7094 in 1961 by John Kelly >and Carol Lockbaum. > >http://www.vortex.com/rmf/daisy.ram > >I'm intrigued as to what mechanism actually made the noise. Or was it >just interference picked up by a nearby radio? No, special equipment was used. I have the LP. Decca Stereo DL 79103, Music from Mathematics (played by IBM 7090 computer and digital-to-sound transducer). John Savard http://home.ecn.ab.ca/~jsavard/crypto.htm