From: eugene@george.arc.nasa.gov (Eugene Miya) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers,comp.arch,comp.sys.super Subject: DEC-10s/20s/Foonlys was: Crays was: 1100s was: ECL is: "all-out" vs less aggressive designs Followup-To: alt.folklore.computers,comp.arch Date: 26 Sep 2000 17:50:13 GMT Organization: Nasa Ames Research Center Lines: 24 Message-ID: <8qqnkl$dqu$1@sun500.nas.nasa.gov> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: george.arc.nasa.gov Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.nextra.ch!news1.sunrise.ch!news.imp.ch!uni-erlangen.de!newsfeed.germany.net!newscore.gigabell.net!feeder.via.net!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!cnn.nas.nasa.gov!george.arc.nasa.gov!eugene Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:64793 In article pjd@fred.cambridge.ma.us (Peter Desnoyers) writes: >On 25 Sep 2000 14:46:37 -0700, Eric Smith > wrote: >>plugh@NO.SPAM.PLEASE (Caveman) writes: >>> a DECSYSTEM-20 running in full production >> >>Wow. There aren't many of those left. Where was it, may I ask? >>I'm trying to find such machines; I hope they haven't scrapped it. The Museum has a couple believed to be in runnable condition. But there has been more interest getting the IBM 1620 and the PDP-1 back up and running. >As of late 1996, Teradyne was running their purchasing system on a >TOPS-20 system. I would assume they've decommissioned it by now, but >then I'm sure people were saying that back in 1990, so it's worth >checking into. It's also important to realize that there are Foonlys still running Followups reduced. ###### Sender: eric@ruckus.brouhaha.com From: Eric Smith Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers,comp.arch Subject: Re: DEC-10s/20s/Foonlys was: Crays was: 1100s was: ECL is: "all-out" vs less aggressive designs References: <8qqnkl$dqu$1@sun500.nas.nasa.gov> X-Disclaimer: Everything I write is false. Organization: Eric Conspiracy Secret Labs X-Eric-Conspiracy: There is no conspiracy. Date: 26 Sep 2000 16:00:26 -0700 Message-ID: Lines: 33 X-Newsreader: Gnus v5.5/Emacs 20.3 NNTP-Posting-Host: ruckus.brouhaha.com X-Trace: 26 Sep 2000 16:01:55 -0700, ruckus.brouhaha.com Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.ifi.unizh.ch!news.imp.ch!uni-erlangen.de!newsfeeds.belnet.be!news.belnet.be!news.tele.dk!144.212.100.101!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.sgi.com!news.spies.com!ruckus.brouhaha.com Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:64901 plugh@NO.SPAM.PLEASE (Caveman) writes: > a DECSYSTEM-20 running in full production I wrote: > Wow. There aren't many of those left. Where was it, may I ask? > I'm trying to find such machines; I hope they haven't scrapped it. eugene@george.arc.nasa.gov (Eugene Miya) writes: > The Museum has a couple believed to be in runnable condition. Been there, inspected them. They have one complete KL10 from one of Tymnet's DECsystem-1090s. I'm fairly familiar with this one since Scott and I bought one of the other Tymnet machines at the same time the museum got theirs. I'm somewhat concerned that the way it is currently displayed, with the door open and the backplane exposed, that it is prone to damage. And backplane damage is one of the hardest things to track down and repair. Also, even if the KL10 can be restored, I didn't see any sign of suitable peripherals. Powering up just a CPU is pretty boring. They also have 1/3 of a KL10 from a DECSYSTEM-20. However, unless the other 2/3 of the KL10 are found, it'll never run again. The 1/3 that is present is just the PDP-11/40 front end. And they have 1/3 of a KA10, presumably from a DECsystem-1050. In this case it's the rack with the front panel, which is pretty to look at but doesn't really *do* anything. Perhaps other parts of these machines are in storage, but I fear that by not keeping them together, important parts will be lost, as has happened with Xerox Altos and other artifacts (including an entire PDP-6). :-( ###### Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: DEC-10s/20s/Foonlys was: Crays was: 1100s was: ECL is: "all-out" vs less aggressive designs References: <8qqnkl$dqu$1@sun500.nas.nasa.gov> Organization: None X-Newsreader: trn 4.0-test72 (19 April 1999) From: kragen@dnaco.net (Kragen Sitaker) Lines: 20 Message-ID: X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Complaints-To: support@usenetserver.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 20:27:59 EDT Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 00:27:59 GMT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.skycache.com!Cidera!cyclone2.usenetserver.com!news-out.usenetserver.com!cyclone1.usenetserver.com!news-east.usenetserver.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:64867 In article <8qqnkl$dqu$1@sun500.nas.nasa.gov>, Eugene Miya wrote: >In article >pjd@fred.cambridge.ma.us (Peter Desnoyers) writes: >>As of late 1996, Teradyne was running their purchasing system on a >>TOPS-20 system. I would assume they've decommissioned it by now, but >>then I'm sure people were saying that back in 1990, so it's worth >>checking into. > >It's also important to realize that there are Foonlys still running toad.xkl.com is a living TOAD-1 running TOPS-20, too. And several other TOAD-1s were sold; I think one to Paul Allen, who (it is rumored) will give you an account if you ask. Does CompuServe still use DEC-10 descendents? -- Kragen Sitaker Perilous to all of us are the devices of an art deeper than we ourselves possess. -- Gandalf the Grey [J.R.R. Tolkien, "Lord of the Rings"]