From: jmason@aol.com (JMason) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Symbolics Computers Lines: 7 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 26 Jul 2000 17:40:52 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000726134052.29456.00000481@ng-bg1.aol.com> Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:60688 Some years ago a company named Symbolics marketed a line of workstations which were targeted at the LISP using AI and Rule Based community. They were popular with our (TRW's) NASA customer for some spacecraft control applications. Anyone out there work on these machines? What happened to the company? John Mason Morro Bay California ###### From: wiss@eelwing.arda (Jonas Wissting) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Symbolics Computers Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 23:14:51 +0200 Organization: Utfors AB Lines: 31 Message-ID: References: <20000726134052.29456.00000481@ng-bg1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: md4692083.utfors.se Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: yggdrasil.utfors.se 964646775 14877 212.105.32.131 (26 Jul 2000 21:26:15 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@utfors.se NNTP-Posting-Date: 26 Jul 2000 21:26:15 GMT X-Newsreader: knews 1.0b.1 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newsfeeds.belnet.be!news.belnet.be!news1.ebone.net!news.ebone.net!news.net.uni-c.dk!newsfeed.sunet.se!news01.sunet.se!news.utfors.se!luthien.arda!nobody Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:60659 In article <20000726134052.29456.00000481@ng-bg1.aol.com>, jmason@aol.com (JMason) writes: > Some years ago a company named Symbolics marketed a line of workstations which > were targeted at the LISP using AI and Rule Based community. They were popular > with our (TRW's) NASA customer for some spacecraft control applications. > Anyone out there work on these machines? What happened to the company? RMS was involved one way or the other, right? Is there any books describing this type of machine, a virtual-memory-with-swap/page-space and grabage-collector? Jonas -- http://wiss.unx.nu http://linux.unx.nu Another Glitch in the Call We don't need no indirection We don't need no flow control No data typing or declarations Did you leave the lists alone? Hey! Hacker! Leave those lists alone! Chorus: All in all, it's just a pure-LISP function call. All in all, it's just a pure-LISP function call. ###### Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Symbolics Computers References: <20000726134052.29456.00000481@ng-bg1.aol.com> Organization: UC Santa Cruz CIS/CE From: eugene@cse.ucsc.edu (Eugene Miya) NNTP-Posting-Host: sundance.cse.ucsc.edu Message-ID: <397f6426$1@news.ucsc.edu> Date: 26 Jul 2000 15:20:22 -0800 X-Trace: 26 Jul 2000 15:20:22 -0800, sundance.cse.ucsc.edu Lines: 21 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news.tesion.net!news.belwue.de!news-stu1.dfn.de!news-mue1.dfn.de!news.augsburg.net!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!news.tufts.edu!blanket.mitre.org!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!news.ucsc.edu!eugene Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:60715 In article <20000726134052.29456.00000481@ng-bg1.aol.com>, JMason wrote: >Some years ago a company named Symbolics marketed a line of workstations which >were targeted at the LISP using AI and Rule Based community. They were popular >with our (TRW's) NASA customer for some spacecraft control applications. >Anyone out there work on these machines? What happened to the company? I think they are still around selling Macsyma, the symbolic algebra package. Software only now. I think that we have a 3600 and maybe a 3640 in our Museum. I would not exactly say the NASA or TRW were major customers. Customers for certain. We had a few as TMC CM front ends. I met Gosper at their Palo ALto offices. Have not seen him since one of my first Hackers (4.0 or 5.0). >Morro Bay California Nice place. ###### From: William Donzelli Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Symbolics Computers Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 02:36:17 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 14 Message-ID: <8lo771$l3v$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <20000726134052.29456.00000481@ng-bg1.aol.com> <397f6426$1@news.ucsc.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: 165.254.191.107 X-Article-Creation-Date: Thu Jul 27 02:36:17 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.05 (Macintosh; I; PPC, Nav) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x63.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 165.254.191.107 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDaw288 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news.tesion.net!news.belwue.de!news-stu1.dfn.de!news-koe1.dfn.de!news-was.dfn.de!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:60647 In article <397f6426$1@news.ucsc.edu>, eugene@cse.ucsc.edu (Eugene Miya) wrote: > We had a few as TMC CM front ends. Were these the standard front ends to CM-2s? RCS/RI just received some Symbolics machines, formerly owner by Thinking Machines (Mungo and Thorlac(?) - odd names for odd machines). I think both have wirewrapped interfaces to connect to CM-2s. William Donzelli Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. ###### From: Vincent J. Perricelli Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Symbolics Computers Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 03:42:18 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 15 Message-ID: <8lob2q$nlu$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <20000726134052.29456.00000481@ng-bg1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.175.102.102 X-Article-Creation-Date: Thu Jul 27 03:42:18 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.5 [en] (Win95; U) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x52.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 206.175.102.102 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDcm471 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!nyc-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!easynet-tele!easynet.net!news1.ebone.net!news.ebone.net!newsfeed.sovam.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:60664 In article <20000726134052.29456.00000481@ng-bg1.aol.com>, jmason@aol.com (JMason) wrote: > Some years ago a company named Symbolics marketed a line of > workstations which were targeted at the LISP using AI and > Rule Based community. [...] What happened to the company? - Bankruptcy. Assets were acquired by Symbolics Technologies, Inc. at: http://stony-brook.scrc.symbolics.com/www/index.html. Pointers to two online "Symbolics museums" are included at the URL. If you have specific questions about the machines, comp.lang.lisp is probably the best place to get answers. Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. ###### From: Charles Richmond Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Symbolics Computers Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 21:34:03 -0700 Organization: Cannine Computer Center Lines: 22 Message-ID: <397FBBBC.DDF7C928@ev1.net> References: <20000726134052.29456.00000481@ng-bg1.aol.com> Reply-To: richmond@ev1.net X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!nyc-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!colt.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!telocity-west!TELOCITY!sn-xit-01!supernews.com!sn-inject-01!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:60712 Jonas Wissting wrote: > > In article <20000726134052.29456.00000481@ng-bg1.aol.com>, > jmason@aol.com (JMason) writes: > > Some years ago a company named Symbolics marketed a line of workstations which > > were targeted at the LISP using AI and Rule Based community. They were popular > > with our (TRW's) NASA customer for some spacecraft control applications. > > Anyone out there work on these machines? What happened to the company? > > RMS was involved one way or the other, right? > Steven Levy's book _Hackers_ has an appendix that discusses Symbolics versus Lisp Machines Incorporated (LMI). It was basically Richard Greenblatt against all the other MIT hackers...the dispute involved how to run a company. This appendix said that Richard Stallman (RMS) was one who would reverse engineer code from the Symbolics machine and implement the same function on the LMI machine. (Greenblatt was LMI...the other hackers were Symbolics.) -- +-------------------------------------------------------------+ | Charles and Francis Richmond | +-------------------------------------------------------------+ ###### Message-ID: <3980274C.D32CE2FC@netinsight.se> From: Johnny Billquist Organization: Netinsight AB X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.14 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Symbolics Computers References: <20000726134052.29456.00000481@ng-bg1.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Lines: 30 Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 12:13:10 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.16.221.33 X-Complaints-To: abuse@telia.com X-Trace: newsc.telia.net 964699990 194.16.221.33 (Thu, 27 Jul 2000 14:13:10 MET DST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 14:13:10 MET DST Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news.tesion.net!news.belwue.de!news-stu1.dfn.de!news-koe1.dfn.de!RRZ.Uni-Koeln.DE!news.netcologne.de!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!newsfeed.online.be!news.algonet.se!algonet!uninett.no!newsfeed1.enitel.no!masternews.telia.net!newsc.telia.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:60667 Jonas Wissting wrote: > > In article <20000726134052.29456.00000481@ng-bg1.aol.com>, > jmason@aol.com (JMason) writes: > > Some years ago a company named Symbolics marketed a line of workstations which > > were targeted at the LISP using AI and Rule Based community. They were popular > > with our (TRW's) NASA customer for some spacecraft control applications. > > Anyone out there work on these machines? What happened to the company? How about a look at http://www.symbolics.com/ ? > RMS was involved one way or the other, right? I have no idea, but I wouldn't bet on it. Perhaps he was connected in some way with LMI? > Is there any books describing this type of machine, a > virtual-memory-with-swap/page-space and grabage-collector? If you ever happen to pass by Uppsala, I can show you a machine, along with a few meters of manuals... Johnny -- Johnny Billquist | johnny.billquist@netinsight.net Net Insight AB | phone: +46 8 685 04 88 Västberga Allé 9 | fax: +46 8 685 04 20 Box 42093 | SE-126 30 STOCKHOLM, Sweden | http://www.netinsight.net