From: "George R. Gonzalez" Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Slowest/fastest booting systems? Lines: 23 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 12:16:19 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 38.27.198.174 X-Complaints-To: abuse@flash.net X-Trace: news.flash.net 962972179 38.27.198.174 (Fri, 07 Jul 2000 07:16:19 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 07:16:19 CDT Organization: FlashNet Communications, http://www.flash.net Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp.flash.net!news.flash.net!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:59274 Being an impatient kind of guy, I've always been annoyed by slow-booting systems. So what's the fastest/slowest booting systems you've used? Ground rules: not fair counting "fsck" time. Don't bother reporting your calculator's boot time. My pair: Slowest: VaxStation 2000 booting VMS-- about 9 minutes? Never actually timed it, I booted it just once before tossing it in the dumpster. Fastest: PDP-8/E booting OS/8 from an RKO5 disk-- about 0.2 seconds Regards, George ###### Message-ID: <3965929B.3DF4D8A8@trailing-edge.com> Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 08:19:39 -0400 From: Tim Shoppa Organization: Trailing Edge Technology X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.03Gold (X11; I; OpenVMS V7.0 DEC 3000 Model 300L) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Slowest/fastest booting systems? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 7 NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.73.218.130 X-Trace: reader2.news.uu.net 962972379 9677 63.73.218.130 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newsfeeds.belnet.be!news.belnet.be!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!newsfeed.wirehub.nl!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!uunet!ffx.uu.net!spool1.news.uu.net!spool0.news.uu.net!reader2.news.uu.net!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:59279 George R. Gonzalez wrote: > Fastest: PDP-8/E booting OS/8 from an RKO5 disk-- about 0.2 seconds PDP-8/E booting OS/8 from RX01 *and* loading the entire application software to run an aslphalt mixing plant -- about 0.5 seconds. Tim. ###### From: Steve O'Hara-Smith Subject: Re: Slowest/fastest booting systems? Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers References: <3965929B.3DF4D8A8@trailing-edge.com> User-Agent: tin/1.4.2-20000205 ("Possession") (UNIX) (FreeBSD/4.0-STABLE (i386)) Message-ID: <4nj4k8.1k1.ln@sohara.dyndns.org> Lines: 6 Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2000 13:50:44 +0100 NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.184.139.148 X-Complaints-To: abuse@verio.net X-Trace: dfw-read.news.verio.net 962974249 206.184.139.148 (Fri, 07 Jul 2000 12:50:49 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 12:50:49 GMT Organization: Verio Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!sjc-peer.news.verio.net!news.verio.net!dfw-read.news.verio.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:59287 Tim Shoppa wrote: > George R. Gonzalez wrote: >> Fastest: PDP-8/E booting OS/8 from an RKO5 disk-- about 0.2 seconds A Torch Communicator without a floppy, all the CP/N code and the user interface in EPROM. Faster than could be timed. ###### From: Joona I Palaste Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Slowest/fastest booting systems? Date: 7 Jul 2000 13:53:04 GMT Organization: University of Helsinki Lines: 28 Message-ID: <8k4nc0$p6b$2@oravannahka.helsinki.fi> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: sirppi.helsinki.fi X-Trace: oravannahka.helsinki.fi 962977984 25803 128.214.205.27 (7 Jul 2000 13:53:04 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@news.helsinki.fi NNTP-Posting-Date: 7 Jul 2000 13:53:04 GMT User-Agent: tin/1.4.2-20000205 ("Possession") (UNIX) (OSF1/V4.0 (alpha)) Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!isdnet!diablo.theplanet.net!newsfeed1.swip.net!swipnet!newsfeed2.funet.fi!newsfeeds.funet.fi!news.helsinki.fi!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:59322 George R. Gonzalez scribbled the following: : Being an impatient kind of guy, I've always been annoyed by slow-booting : systems. : So what's the fastest/slowest booting systems you've used? : Ground rules: not fair counting "fsck" time. Don't bother reporting your : calculator's boot time. : My pair: : Slowest: VaxStation 2000 booting VMS-- about 9 minutes? : Never actually timed it, I booted it just once : before tossing it in the dumpster. : Fastest: PDP-8/E booting OS/8 from an RKO5 disk-- about 0.2 seconds Slowest: Solaris 7 on a Sun Enterprise 450. From 5 to 10 minutes. Fastest: Commodore 64. Almost instantaneous. -- /-- Joona Palaste (palaste@cc.helsinki.fi) ---------------------------\ | Kingpriest of "The Flying Lemon Tree" G++ FR FW+ M- #80 D+ ADA N+++ | | http://www.helsinki.fi/~palaste W++ B OP+ | \----------------------------------------- Finland rules! ------------/ "It's time, it's time, it's time to dump the slime!" - Dr. Dante ###### From: "P Linnane" Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers References: Subject: Re: Slowest/fastest booting systems? Lines: 35 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Organization: Ye 'Ol Disorganized NNTPCache groupie Message-ID: <962981294.916466@server16.cable.com> Cache-Post-Path: server16.cable.com!unknown@vp1-32.xcessible.com X-Cache: nntpcache 2.4.0b2 (see http://www.nntpcache.org/) Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2000 10:46:07 -0400 NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.92.64.17 X-Trace: nnrp1.uunet.ca 962981102 204.92.64.17 (Fri, 07 Jul 2000 10:45:02 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 10:45:02 EDT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newscore.univie.ac.at!194.25.134.126.MISMATCH!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!blackbush.xlink.net!news0.de.colt.net!colt.net!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.skycache.com!Cidera!152.163.239.131!portc03.blue.aol.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!torn!news.uunet.ca!nnrp1.uunet.ca.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:59262 Fastest: what I got now CuV4X/PIIIEB667 about 15 sec Slowest: VAX 11/750 with out-of-sequence boot file tape - 15 minutes (optimizing dropped it down to 7 minutes) Rick "George R. Gonzalez" wrote in message news:nSj95.7498$7%3.568558@news.flash.net... > Being an impatient kind of guy, I've always been annoyed by slow-booting > systems. > > So what's the fastest/slowest booting systems you've used? > > Ground rules: not fair counting "fsck" time. Don't bother reporting your > calculator's boot time. > > My pair: > > Slowest: VaxStation 2000 booting VMS-- about 9 minutes? > Never actually timed it, I booted it just once > before tossing it in the dumpster. > > Fastest: PDP-8/E booting OS/8 from an RKO5 disk-- about 0.2 seconds > > > Regards, > > George > > > ###### From: "Phil Jern" Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers References: Subject: Re: Slowest/fastest booting systems? Lines: 21 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 14:59:01 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.13.138.200 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news1.rdc1.il.home.com 962981941 24.13.138.200 (Fri, 07 Jul 2000 07:59:01 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 07:59:01 PDT Organization: @Home Network Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!HSNX.atgi.net!feeder.via.net!newshub2.rdc1.sfba.home.com!news.home.com!news1.rdc1.il.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:59329 George R. Gonzalez wrote in message news:nSj95.7498$7%3.568558@news.flash.net... > Being an impatient kind of guy, I've always been annoyed by slow-booting > systems. > > So what's the fastest/slowest booting systems you've used? Easy... Any 1st or 2nd generation IBM RISC 6000 system with a lot of serial DASD attached. One system we maintained was clocked at a blinding *52 minutes* from powerup to console login prompt. Phil Jern ###### Message-ID: <39662821.4C046F33@virgin.net> From: Paul Grayson Organization: Springfield Heights Institute of Technology X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.4.0-test2 i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Slowest/fastest booting systems? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 21 Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 19:57:37 +0100 NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.168.64.5 X-Complaints-To: abuse@virgin.net X-Trace: news2-win.server.ntlworld.com 962997509 194.168.64.5 (Fri, 07 Jul 2000 20:18:29 BST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 20:18:29 BST Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!News.Amsterdam.UnisourceCS!skynet.be!news-lond.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!news5-gui.server.ntli.net!ntli.net!news2-win.server.ntlworld.com.POSTED!shippo.virgin.net!nobody Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:59183 "George R. Gonzalez" wrote: > > Being an impatient kind of guy, I've always been annoyed by slow-booting > systems. > > So what's the fastest/slowest booting systems you've used? > Slowest was a Banyan CNS server with a lot of memory. It took 10 minutes to test the memory, and then up to 15 minutes for all services to start. Banyan VINES could be even slower if a thorough disk check was forced. This ran fsck (in minutes) then a check of filename/access rights structures. This once took 4 hours on one Compaq hosting around 6GB of Macintosh data. -- Paul Grayson - paul.grayson@virgin.net Squawk! Pieces of Nine! Squawk! Pieces of Nine! SYSTEM HALTED - PARROTTY ERROR. ###### From: "donald tees" Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Slowest/fastest booting systems? Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2000 17:47:43 -0400 Organization: IGS - Information Gateway Services Lines: 16 Message-ID: <8k5jf7$jc5$1@news.igs.net> References: <3965929B.3DF4D8A8@trailing-edge.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ttyd1e.kw.igs.net X-Trace: news.igs.net 963006759 19845 216.58.99.190 (7 Jul 2000 21:52:39 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@igs.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 7 Jul 2000 21:52:39 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!news.uunet.ca!nntp.igs.net!news.igs.net!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:59189 Tim Shoppa wrote in message <3965929B.3DF4D8A8@trailing-edge.com>... >George R. Gonzalez wrote: >> Fastest: PDP-8/E booting OS/8 from an RKO5 disk-- about 0.2 seconds > >PDP-8/E booting OS/8 from RX01 *and* loading the entire application >software to run an aslphalt mixing plant -- about 0.5 seconds. > >Tim. Slowest ... booting a PDP-8/E from paper tape to prom, installing the prom, and turning it on to run an asphalt mixing plant, circa 1975. About 3 hours. ###### From: jwstephens@home.nospam.com (Jim Stephens) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Slowest/fastest booting systems? Message-ID: <3966af18.76815954@news> References: X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 37 Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2000 04:35:27 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.16.179.69 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news1.alsv1.occa.home.com 963030927 24.16.179.69 (Fri, 07 Jul 2000 21:35:27 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 21:35:27 PDT Organization: @Home Network Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newsfeeds.belnet.be!news.belnet.be!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!newshub2.rdc1.sfba.home.com!news.home.com!news1.alsv1.occa.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:59334 On Fri, 07 Jul 2000 12:16:19 GMT, "George R. Gonzalez" wrote: >Being an impatient kind of guy, I've always been annoyed by slow-booting >systems. > >So what's the fastest/slowest booting systems you've used? > >Ground rules: not fair counting "fsck" time. Don't bother reporting your >calculator's boot time. > >My pair: > >Slowest: VaxStation 2000 booting VMS-- about 9 minutes? > Never actually timed it, I booted it just once >before tossing it in the dumpster. > >Fastest: PDP-8/E booting OS/8 from an RKO5 disk-- about 0.2 seconds > > >Regards, > >George > > You didn't exclude MVS, on the IBM, so I would have to mention that on a P390 it takes around 5 minutes to TCAM availability, and on the Hercules Simulator I run at 1-1.5 mps it takes as much as 25 min. And the MVT system boots in the 10-20 minute range depending on what needs to be responded to while it is coming up. MVT needs 4 responses as genned for public consumption by the hercules group, and MVS needs one reply to fully boot up. Jim ###### From: ab528@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Heinz W. Wiggeshoff) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Slowest/fastest booting systems? Date: 8 Jul 2000 13:58:35 GMT Organization: The National Capital FreeNet Lines: 20 Message-ID: <8k7c2b$gli$1@freenet9.carleton.ca> References: <3965929B.3DF4D8A8@trailing-edge.com> <8k5jf7$jc5$1@news.igs.net> Reply-To: ab528@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Heinz W. Wiggeshoff) NNTP-Posting-Host: freenet10 X-Trace: freenet9.carleton.ca 963064715 17074 134.117.136.30 (8 Jul 2000 13:58:35 GMT) X-Complaints-To: complaints@ncf.ca NNTP-Posting-Date: 8 Jul 2000 13:58:35 GMT X-Given-Sender: ab528@freenet10.carleton.ca (Heinz W. Wiggeshoff) Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!nyc-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!colt.net!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!Quza.UK.peer!nntp.gblx.net!nntp.frontiernet.net!nntp.gctr.net!xcski.com!freenet-news!FreeNet.Carleton.CA!ab528 Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:59290 Below are two references to "asphalt mixing plants" found in this newsgroup. Whether by post or e-mail, would someone please enlighten me as to why it would take anything more than a couple of switches and a thermostat or two, instead of a PDP-anything, to run such a facility? "donald tees" (donald@willmack.com) writes: > Tim Shoppa wrote in message <3965929B.3DF4D8A8@trailing-edge.com>... >>George R. Gonzalez wrote: >>> Fastest: PDP-8/E booting OS/8 from an RKO5 disk-- about 0.2 seconds >> >>PDP-8/E booting OS/8 from RX01 *and* loading the entire application >>software to run an aslphalt mixing plant -- about 0.5 seconds. >> >>Tim. > > Slowest ... booting a PDP-8/E from paper tape to prom, installing the prom, > and turning it on to run an asphalt mixing plant, circa 1975. About 3 > hours. ###### Message-ID: <39671843.6346EFF2@trailing-edge.com> Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2000 12:02:11 -0400 From: Tim Shoppa Organization: Trailing Edge Technology X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.03Gold (X11; I; OpenVMS V7.0 DEC 3000 Model 300L) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Slowest/fastest booting systems? References: <3965929B.3DF4D8A8@trailing-edge.com> <8k5jf7$jc5$1@news.igs.net> <8k7c2b$gli$1@freenet9.carleton.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 25 NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.73.218.130 X-Trace: reader1.news.uu.net 963072133 20387 63.73.218.130 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newsfeeds.belnet.be!news.belnet.be!newsfeedZ.netscum.dQ!netscum.int!hermes.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!uunet!ffx.uu.net!spool0.news.uu.net!reader1.news.uu.net!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:59273 Heinz W. Wiggeshoff wrote: > > Below are two references to "asphalt mixing plants" found in this > newsgroup. Whether by post or e-mail, would someone please enlighten > me as to why it would take anything more than a couple of switches and > a thermostat or two, instead of a PDP-anything, to run such a facility? The systems I've worked with use computers automagically measure out the aggregates according to a customer's desired mix. (There are different mixes used for different purposes.) The algorithm is actually kind-of cute - if the machinery puts too much of a certain aggregate in (due to the gates on the bins not closing fast enough) the computer is smart enough to mix a little extra of the other aggregates in to keep the entire mix in tolerance. They also do some of the bookkeeping (i.e. "customer X picked up Y tons of mix Z" reports.) The asphalt-mixing 8/E's had Omnibus (PDP-8/E series peripherals) A/D converters hooked to the scales measuring the aggregates, and a series of solid-state relays to control the machinery. No, it's not a complicated task. It's the sort of thing you could dash off in a couple of hours in BASIC on any microcomputer. Tim. ###### Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!not-for-mail From: Neil Franklin Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Slowest/fastest booting systems? Date: 08 Jul 2000 22:06:59 +0200 Organization: My own Private Self Lines: 24 Message-ID: <6ubt0875ek.fsf@chonsp.franklin.ch> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: chonsp.franklin.ch X-Trace: chonsp.franklin.ch 963086819 866 10.0.3.2 (8 Jul 2000 20:06:59 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news@chonsp.franklin.ch NNTP-Posting-Date: 8 Jul 2000 20:06:59 GMT X-Newsreader: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:59398 "George R. Gonzalez" writes: > So what's the fastest/slowest booting systems you've used? > > Slowest: VaxStation 2000 booting VMS-- about 9 minutes? > Never actually timed it, I booted it just once > before tossing it in the dumpster. Slowest: VAXstation 4000/VLC, VMS 5.5-1 with VAXcluster, net booting over an 10base2 net, with 2 routers and an underdimentioned remote bridge between it and the boot server (no, don't ask why): 45 min. I had a few examples of seeing this happen, usually after net load made the 5 sec VAXcluster timeout overrun and the VLC declared "dead". > Fastest: PDP-8/E booting OS/8 from an RKO5 disk-- about 0.2 seconds Fastest: Commodore 64, from power on to BASIC prompt in ca 1/5-1/3 sec. -- Neil Franklin, neil@franklin.ch.remove http://neil.franklin.ch/ Nerd, Geek, Hacker, Unix Guru, Sysadmin, Roleplayer, LARPer, Mystic ###### From: jmfbahciv@aol.com Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Slowest/fastest booting systems? Date: Sun, 09 Jul 00 10:38:54 GMT Organization: UltraNet Communications, Inc. Lines: 17 Message-ID: <8k9v10$3kd$3@bob.news.rcn.net> References: <8k7202$2a9@cucumber.demon.co.uk> <963100370.470760@shelley.paradise.net.nz> X-Trace: feETG2t8o0UMyfv3UawLtX1cuTkv7Jb+xEqnLMNjuQY= X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 9 Jul 2000 13:34:24 GMT X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #4 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newsfeeds.belnet.be!news.belnet.be!news1.ebone.net!news.ebone.net!diablo.theplanet.net!europa.netcrusader.net!207.172.3.37!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!216-164-247-91 Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:59411 In article <963100370.470760@shelley.paradise.net.nz>, don@news.daedalus.co.nz (Don Stokes) wrote: >Andrew Gabriel wrote: >>As for fastest - what about core store machines? You could turn them >>back on and they were running again within a 100ms or so, continuing >>from where they were interrupted when you turned them off. > >What about them? That's a restart, not a boot. > And the users aren't there anymore either. Not very practical. I am just flabberghasted that these systems took so long. /BAH Subtract a hundred and four for e-mail. ###### From: jmfbahciv@aol.com Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Slowest/fastest booting systems? Date: Sun, 09 Jul 00 10:40:50 GMT Organization: UltraNet Communications, Inc. Lines: 33 Message-ID: <8k9v4k$3kd$4@bob.news.rcn.net> References: <3965929B.3DF4D8A8@trailing-edge.com> <8k5jf7$jc5$1@news.igs.net> <8k7c2b$gli$1@freenet9.carleton.ca> <39671843.6346EFF2@trailing-edge.com> X-Trace: feETG2t8o0VAG5DrGjmFi9Rnp7DXokuhJOFh02ZRVTo= X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 9 Jul 2000 13:36:20 GMT X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #4 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!216-164-247-91 Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:59414 In article <39671843.6346EFF2@trailing-edge.com>, Tim Shoppa wrote: >Heinz W. Wiggeshoff wrote: >> >> Below are two references to "asphalt mixing plants" found in this >> newsgroup. Whether by post or e-mail, would someone please enlighten >> me as to why it would take anything more than a couple of switches and >> a thermostat or two, instead of a PDP-anything, to run such a facility? > >The systems I've worked with use computers automagically measure out the >aggregates according to a customer's desired mix. (There are >different mixes used for different purposes.) The algorithm is >actually kind-of cute - if the machinery puts too much of a certain >aggregate in (due to the gates on the bins not closing fast enough) >the computer is smart enough to mix a little extra of the other >aggregates in to keep the entire mix in tolerance. They also do some >of the bookkeeping (i.e. "customer X picked up Y tons of mix Z" >reports.) > >The asphalt-mixing 8/E's had Omnibus (PDP-8/E series peripherals) >A/D converters hooked to the scales measuring the aggregates, and >a series of solid-state relays to control the machinery. > >No, it's not a complicated task. It's the sort of thing you could >dash off in a couple of hours in BASIC on any microcomputer. Much of the same problems happen in a cement mixing plant. IIRC, the mixing speed is also important. /BAH Subtract a hundred and four for e-mail. ###### From: andrew@cucumber.demon.co.uk (Andrew Gabriel) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Slowest/fastest booting systems? Date: 8 Jul 2000 11:06:42 GMT Organization: home Message-ID: <8k7202$2a9@cucumber.demon.co.uk> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: cucumber X-NNTP-Posting-Host: cucumber.demon.co.uk:158.152.58.86 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 963084166 nnrp-09:27569 NO-IDENT cucumber.demon.co.uk:158.152.58.86 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net X-Newsreader: knews 0.9.6 Lines: 25 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!isdnet!newsfeed.icl.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!cucumber.demon.co.uk!usenet Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:59436 In article , "Phil Jern" writes: > >George R. Gonzalez wrote in message >news:nSj95.7498$7%3.568558@news.flash.net... > >Any 1st or 2nd generation IBM RISC 6000 system with a lot of serial >DASD attached. One system we maintained was clocked at a blinding >*52 minutes* from powerup to console login prompt. RS/6000 running AIX3.2.5 (?) with just internal disk. Didn't time it, but long enough to go off and make a coffee, come back and check it (that numbers still changing on the display), and then go off and finish coffee. If the numbers stopped changing on the display and it hadn't booted, we used to say that you mutiply the number shown by 10, and that was the cost for IBM to come out and fix the box :-) As for fastest - what about core store machines? You could turn them back on and they were running again within a 100ms or so, continuing from where they were interrupted when you turned them off. -- Andrew Gabriel Consultant Software Engineer ###### From: Chris Baird Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Slowest/fastest booting systems? Organization: World Wide Weasels Lines: 24 Message-ID: References: <8k4nc0$p6b$2@oravannahka.helsinki.fi> X-No-Archive: yes X-Newsreader: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.6 NNTP-Posting-Host: bombadil.apana.org.au X-Trace: ozemail.com.au 963166209 203.14.156.3 (Mon, 10 Jul 2000 04:10:09 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 04:10:09 EST Distribution: world Date: 09 Jul 2000 02:18:56 +1000 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newsfeeds.belnet.be!news.belnet.be!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!newsfeed.concentric.net!newsfeed.ozemail.com.au!ozemail.com.au!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:59478 > Ground rules: not fair counting "fsck" time. Aww, I've seen NT3 systems on 9Gig disks take over 48 hours before the poor sap responsible for talking the startup into using it as a newsserver fled in shame, never to be heard of again... > Slowest: Solaris 7 on a Sun Enterprise 450. From 5 to 10 minutes. > Fastest: Commodore 64. Almost instantaneous. Due the memory checking and other initialisations, the C64 clocks in at 2-3 seconds. I'm pretty certain of that since I'd wired a reset switch to mine while a larval assembly programmer. (Let's hear it for Brad Tempelton's PAL assembler!) I still run a MacPlus here with System 6.0.8, and unlike its later brethren it boots in a surprising-for-today 10 seconds. The fastest of my active machines is 8-9 seconds for a 386/25 laptop, running Debian:slink in only 2304kb. It helps to use /bin/ash in heavily-culled rc.d scripts a lot. The rest of the farm are vying for uptime records. -- Chris,, ###### Subject: Re: Slowest/fastest booting systems? From: Jeff Hellige Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Message-ID: <080720001852116447%jhellige@earthlink.net> References: <3965929B.3DF4D8A8@trailing-edge.com> <8k5jf7$jc5$1@news.igs.net> <8k7c2b$gli$1@freenet9.carleton.ca> <39671843.6346EFF2@trailing-edge.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit User-Agent: YA-NewsWatcher/5.0.1 Lines: 16 Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2000 22:47:01 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.23.228.228 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net 963096421 63.23.228.228 (Sat, 08 Jul 2000 15:47:01 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2000 15:47:01 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!nyc-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!colt.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!feeder.qis.net!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!newsmaster1.prod.itd.earthlink.net!newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:59471 In article <39671843.6346EFF2@trailing-edge.com>, Tim Shoppa wrote: > The asphalt-mixing 8/E's had Omnibus (PDP-8/E series peripherals) > A/D converters hooked to the scales measuring the aggregates, and > a series of solid-state relays to control the machinery. My MicroVAX II was gotten from a meat packing plant which used it for approximately 3 years to gather data from various scales and such, running VMS 4.6. Jeff -- http://www.geocities.com/siliconvalley/lakes/6757 Home of the TRS-80 Model 2000 FAQ file ###### Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Slowest/fastest booting systems? References: <8k7202$2a9@cucumber.demon.co.uk> Organization: None X-Newsreader: trn 4.0-test72 (19 April 1999) From: kragen@dnaco.net (Kragen Sitaker) Lines: 16 Message-ID: X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Complaints-To: support@usenetserver.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2000 19:32:23 EDT Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2000 23:32:23 GMT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!nyc-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!colt.net!news-lond.gip.net!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!cyclone2.usenetserver.com!news-out.usenetserver.com!cyclone1.usenetserver.com!cyclone1.usenetserver.com!east3.usenetserver.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:59473 In article <8k7202$2a9@cucumber.demon.co.uk>, Andrew Gabriel wrote: >As for fastest - what about core store machines? You could turn them >back on and they were running again within a 100ms or so, continuing >from where they were interrupted when you turned them off. I think that falls in the category of "pocket calculator turns on". Actually, my HP-48G is fairly similar to a PDP-8 in memory capacity and CPU speed, although I think its memory bus may be slower. What does this guy have against pocket calculators, anyway? :) -- Kragen Sitaker The Internet stock bubble didn't burst on 1999-11-08. Hurrah! The power didn't go out on 2000-01-01 either. :) ###### Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Slowest/fastest booting systems? References: <8k7202$2a9@cucumber.demon.co.uk> Organization: Daedalus Consulting X-Newsreader: trn 4.0-test72 (19 April 1999) From: don@news.daedalus.co.nz (Don Stokes) Message-ID: <963100370.470760@shelley.paradise.net.nz> Cache-Post-Path: shelley.paradise.net.nz!unknown@203-96-144-16.cable.paradise.net.nz X-Cache: nntpcache 2.4.0b2 (see http://www.nntpcache.org/) Lines: 8 Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2000 23:53:08 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 203.96.152.26 X-Complaints-To: newsadmin@xtra.co.nz X-Trace: news.xtra.co.nz 963100388 203.96.152.26 (Sun, 09 Jul 2000 11:53:08 NZST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2000 11:53:08 NZST Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!nyc-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!colt.net!newsfeeds.belnet.be!news.belnet.be!newsfeedZ.netscum.dQ!netscum.int!enews.sgi.com!news.xtra.co.nz!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:59468 Andrew Gabriel wrote: >As for fastest - what about core store machines? You could turn them >back on and they were running again within a 100ms or so, continuing >from where they were interrupted when you turned them off. What about them? That's a restart, not a boot. -- don ###### From: "P Linnane" Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers References: <8k7202$2a9@cucumber.demon.co.uk> <963100370.470760@shelley.paradise.net.nz> <8k9v10$3kd$3@bob.news.rcn.net> Subject: Re: Slowest/fastest booting systems? Lines: 30 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Organization: Ye 'Ol Disorganized NNTPCache groupie Message-ID: <963163015.492994@server16.cable.com> Cache-Post-Path: server16.cable.com!unknown@vp1-27.xcessible.com X-Cache: nntpcache 2.4.0b2 (see http://www.nntpcache.org/) Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2000 13:13:52 -0400 NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.92.64.17 X-Trace: nnrp1.uunet.ca 963162809 204.92.64.17 (Sun, 09 Jul 2000 13:13:29 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2000 13:13:29 EDT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!torn!news.uunet.ca!nnrp1.uunet.ca.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:59430 wrote in message news:8k9v10$3kd$3@bob.news.rcn.net... > In article <963100370.470760@shelley.paradise.net.nz>, > don@news.daedalus.co.nz (Don Stokes) wrote: > >Andrew Gabriel wrote: > >>As for fastest - what about core store machines? You could turn them > >>back on and they were running again within a 100ms or so, continuing > >>from where they were interrupted when you turned them off. > > > >What about them? That's a restart, not a boot. > > > > And the users aren't there anymore either. Not very practical. > > I am just flabberghasted that these systems took so long. > Actually, my main complaint about PCs is I can't seem to synch booting with my "own" ipl anymore. Half a minute is *not* enough time to off the hat/coat/galoshes, make/pour a coffee, scan/ditch the paperwork and finally relax, feet up, enjoying the only real good caffeine/nicotine buzz of the day. (The fact that my feet hitting the desktop almost invariably coincides with upper management sticking a head in my door is a total non-sequitur). (uh . . . desktop - top of the desk) Rick ###### From: "Lee Courtney" Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Slowest/fastest booting systems? Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2000 10:30:18 -0700 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 34 Message-ID: References: X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!enews.sgi.com!news.idt.net!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!telocity-west!TELOCITY!sn-xit-01!supernews.com!sn-inject-01!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:59465 > So what's the fastest/slowest booting systems you've used? > > Ground rules: not fair counting "fsck" time. Don't bother reporting your > calculator's boot time. Slowest: IBM 1620 Model I. The "monitor" was loaded via the card reader, several minutes IIRC. Of course since the "monitor" was actually the FORTRAN compiler you actually were ahead of the game ;-). Fastest: HP1000 running RTE, just sucked a pre-linked OS image off the disk. Most fun: The 1620 Models I & II tied with an IBM 370/155 I worked on as an operator. Ah, I do miss those front panels! My first job out of college was working at Hewlett-Packard on the system generator and installer on RTE-6 for the HP1000. Then worked on system startup for the 32-bit HPPA version of MPE/iX - when booting an HP3000 the "initialize_genesis" is me. Working on startup etc. was a great first job cause you got exposed to all parts of the system. And working on the HP1000 whose startup process was basically sucking in pre-bound OS image was an interesting contrast to MPE that started with a small real-mode kernel that in turn linked MPE on the fly and bootstrapped into virtual (memory) mode. Lee Courtney Engineering Manager Phone: (408) 328-9238 MontaVista Software, Inc. Fax: (408) 328-9204 490 Potrero Avenue Web: www.hardhatlinux.com Sunnyvale, CA 94086 Email: lcourtney@mvista.com Check out the embedded Linux experts at http://www.hardhatlinux.com ###### From: "GerardS" Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers References: Subject: Re: Slowest/fastest booting systems? Lines: 19 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2000 13:58:52 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.149.16.216 X-Trace: newsfeed.slurp.net 963168584 208.149.16.216 (Sun, 09 Jul 2000 13:49:44 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2000 13:49:44 CDT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!isdnet!howland.erols.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.slurp.net!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:59464 "Lee Courtney" wrote: |> So what's the fastest/slowest booting systems you've used? | Slowest: IBM 1620 Model I. The "monitor" was loaded via the card reader, | several minutes IIRC. Of course since the "monitor" was actually the FORTRAN | compiler you actually were ahead of the game ;-). ----[snip snip snip]---- I don't know which monitor you were using, but we had the one written by the Kingston Fortran II people (Waterloo) and it could be on cards or disk, we had a version on cards which read at 1000 cards/minute, and it wasn't that big, maybe 50 or 200 cards?. That corresponds to seconds, not minutes. Later, when we had disks, it was a second or two, if that. This was a 1620 Model I with 40,000 digits of memory. Gerard S. ###### From: jmfbahciv@aol.com Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Slowest/fastest booting systems? Date: Mon, 10 Jul 00 08:00:55 GMT Organization: UltraNet Communications, Inc. Lines: 45 Message-ID: <8kca52$f58$3@bob.news.rcn.net> References: <8k7202$2a9@cucumber.demon.co.uk> <963100370.470760@shelley.paradise.net.nz> <8k9v10$3kd$3@bob.news.rcn.net> <963163015.492994@server16.cable.com> X-Trace: 6lRXfOOeINrUlU9CcagizPgbQLTiYXb247PvsvQHP6Y= X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 10 Jul 2000 10:56:34 GMT X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #4 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!207-172-216-15 Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:59522 In article <963163015.492994@server16.cable.com>, "P Linnane" wrote: > > wrote in message news:8k9v10$3kd$3@bob.news.rcn.net... >> In article <963100370.470760@shelley.paradise.net.nz>, >> don@news.daedalus.co.nz (Don Stokes) wrote: >> >Andrew Gabriel wrote: >> >>As for fastest - what about core store machines? You could turn them >> >>back on and they were running again within a 100ms or so, continuing >> >>from where they were interrupted when you turned them off. >> > >> >What about them? That's a restart, not a boot. >> > >> >> And the users aren't there anymore either. Not very practical. >> >> I am just flabberghasted that these systems took so long. >> > >Actually, my main complaint about PCs is I can't seem >to synch booting with >my "own" ipl anymore. Half a minute is *not* enough time to off the >hat/coat/galoshes, make/pour a coffee, scan/ditch the >paperwork and finally >relax, feet up, enjoying the only real good caffeine/nicotine buzz of the >day. Sigh! That's real easy to solve. There's a lot of cleanup that can be done with a script that needs an OK, NOT OK decision from time to time. That doesn't interrupt the dual buzz routine. > > (The fact that my feet hitting the desktop almost >invariably coincides with >upper management sticking a head in my door is a total >non-sequitur). (uh . >.. . desktop - top of the desk) That's even easier to solve. We went to work at 03:00 or 04:00. I guarantee you no managers are around then (unless it's really an emergency). Suits before dawn cause allergic reactions. /BAH Subtract a hundred and four for e-mail. ###### From: jmfbahciv@aol.com Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Slowest/fastest booting systems? Date: Tue, 11 Jul 00 11:48:32 GMT Organization: UltraNet Communications, Inc. Lines: 19 Message-ID: <8kfbs3$1vl$3@bob.news.rcn.net> References: X-Trace: tfHdSySLP7tDo/oeGC6kpX4JOkMgW8TYMDzD8UOYEcg= X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 11 Jul 2000 14:44:19 GMT X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #4 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!enews.sgi.com!korova.insync.net!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!207-172-255-70 Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:59532 In article , civhr@pc12.civ.hw.ac.uk wrote: >=>"George" == George R Gonzalez writes: > > George> So what's the fastest/slowest booting systems you've used? > > George> Ground rules: not fair counting "fsck" time. Don't bother > George> reporting your calculator's boot time. > >Slowest machine: HP712/35 booting off tape: ca. 15 min. (Brilliant >idea, using a tape for swapping ...) Sometimes, that's all you could do. Think a system with only 48K and the _user_ program needs most of it. What do you do? /BAH Subtract a hundred and four for e-mail. ###### From: jmfbahciv@aol.com Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Slowest/fastest booting systems? Date: Tue, 11 Jul 00 08:50:45 GMT Organization: UltraNet Communications, Inc. Lines: 31 Message-ID: <8kf1eq$9sm$2@bob.news.rcn.net> References: <8k4nc0$p6b$2@oravannahka.helsinki.fi> <8kd5v3$4vk$1@news.iastate.edu> X-Trace: zfXKilqABxIdBOXU0baeNrC5hyj4GSmaCT5Nb+VoqIY= X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 11 Jul 2000 11:46:34 GMT X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #4 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!207-172-245-214 Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:59533 In article <8kd5v3$4vk$1@news.iastate.edu>, rhawkins@iastate.edu (Rick Hawkins) wrote: >In article , >Chris Baird wrote: >> > Ground rules: not fair counting "fsck" time. > >>Aww, I've seen NT3 systems on 9Gig disks take over 48 hours before the >>poor sap responsible for talking the startup into using it as a >>newsserver fled in shame, never to be heard of again... > >No problem. While you can't count the fsck time, you can count his >commute time each day while waiting for it fo for it to finish, >the time he travelled before the first refill of his tank, >any employee time spent chasing him, and time spent pacifying >stockholders :) > >Slowest. Hmm. The DEC-20 at my campus, where I'd have to go >to a building to see if it was up? [Hi, BAH :) ] That thing went >up and down like a yo-yo--seven times in an hour once. Well, that's because it was a -20. [emoticon here showing its bias]. However, they usually didn't do the yo-yo think. That happened on our -10...but we were a development installation rather than a customer. > /BAH Subtract a hundred and four for e-mail. ###### From: rhawkins@iastate.edu (Rick Hawkins) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Slowest/fastest booting systems? Date: 10 Jul 2000 18:51:15 GMT Organization: Unknown Lines: 30 Message-ID: <8kd5v3$4vk$1@news.iastate.edu> References: <8k4nc0$p6b$2@oravannahka.helsinki.fi> NNTP-Posting-Host: pv2079.vincent.iastate.edu Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!enews.sgi.com!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsrelay.iastate.edu!news.iastate.edu!rhawkins Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:59538 In article , Chris Baird wrote: > > Ground rules: not fair counting "fsck" time. >Aww, I've seen NT3 systems on 9Gig disks take over 48 hours before the >poor sap responsible for talking the startup into using it as a >newsserver fled in shame, never to be heard of again... No problem. While you can't count the fsck time, you can count his commute time each day while waiting for it fo for it to finish, the time he travelled before the first refill of his tank, any employee time spent chasing him, and time spent pacifying stockholders :) Slowest. Hmm. The DEC-20 at my campus, where I'd have to go to a building to see if it was up? [Hi, BAH :) ] That thing went up and down like a yo-yo--seven times in an hour once. My Tandy-102 is something under a second, I think. I still even use it every few months--and there's really nothing since that does as well for a pad for just plain typing; I *like* the single flat piece, with no protruding screen. hawk -- Richard E. Hawkins dochawk@psu.edu [regardless of where the message says it comes from] These opinions will not be those of Penn State until they pay my retainer. ###### From: glass2@glass2.lexington.ibm.com Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Slowest/fastest booting systems? Date: 10 Jul 2000 22:56:27 GMT Organization: IBM Austin Lines: 43 Message-ID: <8kdkar$17ga$4@ausnews.austin.ibm.com> References: <8k4nc0$p6b$2@oravannahka.helsinki.fi> <8kd5v3$4vk$1@news.iastate.edu> Reply-To: wa4qal@vnet.ibm.com NNTP-Posting-Host: glass2.cv.lexington.ibm.com X-Newsreader: IBM NewsReader/2 2.0 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!News.Amsterdam.UnisourceCS!skynet.be!newsfeed.skycache.com!Cidera!205.252.116.205!howland.erols.net!cs.utexas.edu!geraldo.cc.utexas.edu!tivoli.com!ausnews.austin.ibm.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:59585 In <8kd5v3$4vk$1@news.iastate.edu>, rhawkins@iastate.edu (Rick Hawkins) writes: >In article , >Chris Baird wrote: >> > Ground rules: not fair counting "fsck" time. > >>Aww, I've seen NT3 systems on 9Gig disks take over 48 hours before the >>poor sap responsible for talking the startup into using it as a >>newsserver fled in shame, never to be heard of again... > >No problem. While you can't count the fsck time, you can count his >commute time each day while waiting for it fo for it to finish, >the time he travelled before the first refill of his tank, >any employee time spent chasing him, and time spent pacifying >stockholders :) > >Slowest. Hmm. The DEC-20 at my campus, where I'd have to go >to a building to see if it was up? [Hi, BAH :) ] That thing went >up and down like a yo-yo--seven times in an hour once. > >My Tandy-102 is something under a second, I think. I still even >use it every few months--and there's really nothing since that does as >well for a pad for just plain typing; I *like* the single flat piece, >with no protruding screen. > >hawk > >-- >Richard E. Hawkins >dochawk@psu.edu [regardless of where the message says it comes from] > >These opinions will not be those of Penn State until they pay my retainer. I seem to remember that some people hacked the ROM in early IBM PCs to remove the memory count/check[1], thus speeding up the booting process significantly. Does that count? [1] It's been a LONG time ago, and I don't remember all of the details, so it may have just been a modification to speed it up. Dave P.S. Standard Disclaimer: I work for them, but I don't speak for them. ###### From: Jim Thomas Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Slowest/fastest booting systems? Date: 10 Jul 2000 13:26:35 -1000 Organization: Canada France Hawai`i Telescope Lines: 20 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: atlas.cfht.hawaii.edu X-Trace: news.hawaii.edu 963271596 14505 128.171.80.135 (10 Jul 2000 23:26:36 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@hawaii.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 10 Jul 2000 23:26:36 GMT X-Newsreader: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.6 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!HSNX.atgi.net!news.minn.net!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!hammer.uoregon.edu!news.hawaii.edu!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:59596 >>>>> "Gerard" == GerardS writes: Gerard> "Lee Courtney" wrote: Lee> | Slowest: IBM 1620 Model I. The "monitor" was loaded via the card Lee> | reader, several minutes IIRC. Of course since the "monitor" was Lee> | actually the FORTRAN compiler you actually were ahead of the game Lee> | ;-). Gerard> I don't know which monitor you were using, but we had the one Gerard> written by the Kingston Fortran II people (Waterloo) and it could Gerard> be on cards or disk, we had a version on cards which read at 1000 Gerard> cards/minute, and it wasn't that big, maybe 50 or 200 cards?. Gerard> That corresponds to seconds, not minutes. Later, when we had I don't think any legit 1622 went over 400 CPM. IIRC we got ours up to 600 by changing the pulleys, but ... :-) 200 cards equals <15K which would have been about 1200 instructions if there were no error messages. Even for Kingston that seems a bit shy. ###### From: "GerardS" Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers References: Subject: Re: Slowest/fastest booting systems? Lines: 48 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 19:47:43 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.149.17.226 X-Trace: newsfeed.slurp.net 963275916 208.149.17.226 (Mon, 10 Jul 2000 19:38:36 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 19:38:36 CDT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!News.Amsterdam.UnisourceCS!newshunter!cosy.sbg.ac.at!newsfeed.Austria.EU.net!news.nikoma.de!tiscalinetde!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.slurp.net!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:59573 |Jim Thomas" wrote: | >>>>> GerardS writes: | Gerard> "Lee Courtney" wrote: | Lee> | Slowest: IBM 1620 Model I. The "monitor" was loaded via the card | Lee> | reader, several minutes IIRC. Of course since the "monitor" was | Lee> | actually the FORTRAN compiler you actually were ahead of the game | Lee> | ;-). | | Gerard> I don't know which monitor you were using, but we had the one | Gerard> written by the Kingston Fortran II people (Waterloo) and it could | Gerard> be on cards or disk, we had a version on cards which read at 1000 | Gerard> cards/minute, and it wasn't that big, maybe 50 or 200 cards?. | Gerard> That corresponds to seconds, not minutes. Later, when we had | | I don't think any legit 1622 went over 400 CPM. IIRC we got ours up to 600 | by changing the pulleys, but ... :-) | | 200 cards equals <15K which would have been about 1200 instructions if | there were no error messages. Even for Kingston that seems a bit shy. ________________________________ The monitor was quite small, as I recall. It didn't have to do much except load the next program (typically the program just compiled) or the KINGSTON FORTRAN compiler. The IBM 1620 either had 2, 7, or 12 digit instructions, with 7 and 12 digits mostly predominant. It was such a long time ago that I really don't remember the size of the monitor, but the CPU was mainly used for FORTRAN compilation and execution of said programs. The KINGSTON FORTRAN compiler was a bit bigger of course, but not by much. It could run inside of 20,000 digits of memory, but it required 40,000 to do anything useful. That means the full KINGSTON FORTRAN compiler had to be less than 251 cards. If a compiler could fit in 250 cards, the monitor had to be way less than that. I seem to remember about 20 or 50 (blue) cards or so worth in front of the KINGSTON FORTRAN compiler, if that. For those of you that are interested, KINGSTON FORTRAN II was about as powerfull as some FORTRAN IV compilers. Mixed mode was allowed everywhere (including DO loops), it had Hollerith constants (H), G and T formats, and floating point was simulated as the hardware floating point was an optional (but expensive) option. And the compiler was a one-pass compiler. It also had a FORMAT option (U) that let you specify the FORMAT option in the input/output statement. Gerard S. ###### From: civhr@pc12.civ.hw.ac.uk Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Slowest/fastest booting systems? Date: 11 Jul 2000 14:52:25 +0100 Organization: Heriot-Watt University Lines: 23 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: pc12.civ.hw.ac.uk X-Trace: news.hw.ac.uk 963323545 11431 137.195.49.67 (11 Jul 2000 13:52:25 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news NNTP-Posting-Date: 11 Jul 2000 13:52:25 GMT X-Newsreader: Gnus v5.5/Emacs 20.3 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!enews.sgi.com!EU.net!blackbush.xlink.net!newscore.gigabell.net!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!skynet.be!newsfeed.icl.net!diablo.netcom.net.uk!netcom.net.uk!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!gxn.net!server6.netnews.ja.net!137.195.150.11!137.195.150.11!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:59565 =>"George" == George R Gonzalez writes: George> So what's the fastest/slowest booting systems you've used? George> Ground rules: not fair counting "fsck" time. Don't bother George> reporting your calculator's boot time. Slowest machine: HP712/35 booting off tape: ca. 15 min. (Brilliant idea, using a tape for swapping ...) Unfortunately I'm not allowed to include fscking time, otherwise it would be our NeXT-cube with 10 G of disk-space. That's well over 1/2 h. Fastest would probably be my PalmPilot V (does that count ? It's got a cpu, memory and everything :-): Unmeasurable for power-on, 0.5 sec for a reset. Cheers, Hannes -- Hannes Reinecke Fluid Loading and Instrumentation Center Tel: (+44) 131 449 5111 x4456 Dept. of Civil & Offshore Engineering Fax: (+44) 131 451 3154 Heriot Watt University, Edinburgh EH14 4AS ###### From: Erno Palonheimo Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Slowest/fastest booting systems? Date: 12 Jul 2000 01:56:10 +0300 Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland Lines: 22 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: kosh.hut.fi X-Trace: nntp.hut.fi 963356170 9772 130.233.228.10 (11 Jul 2000 22:56:10 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@nntp.hut.fi NNTP-Posting-Date: 11 Jul 2000 22:56:10 GMT X-Newsreader: Gnus v5.3/Emacs 19.34 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed1.swip.net!swipnet!newsfeed2.funet.fi!newsfeeds.funet.fi!nntp.hut.fi!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:59653 "George R. Gonzalez" writes: > Slowest: VaxStation 2000 booting VMS-- about 9 minutes? > Never actually timed it, I booted it just once > before tossing it in the dumpster. Slowest: Our IBM RS/6000 J40 with 8 PowerPC CPU's at work. The "fast boot" takes about 20 minutes, and the "slow boot" takes one hour fifteen minutes. No fsck here. > Fastest: PDP-8/E booting OS/8 from an RKO5 disk-- about 0.2 seconds Fastest: My Macintosh SE/30 with System 6.0.8 takes about ten seconds to cold-boot. -- --- Erno Palonheimo -- Helsinki University of Technology ----- esp@cc.hut.fi -- Administrative Manouvers in the Dark ###### From: "Zane H. Healy" Subject: Re: Slowest/fastest booting systems? Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers References: Organization: Aracnet User-Agent: tin/pre-1.4-19990624 ("Dawnrazor") (UNIX) (Linux/2.2.14 (i686)) Lines: 18 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 00:54:53 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.99.193.21 X-Complaints-To: news@aracnet.com X-Trace: typhoon.aracnet.com 963363293 216.99.193.21 (Tue, 11 Jul 2000 17:54:53 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 17:54:53 PDT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!enews.sgi.com!paloalto-snf1.gtei.net!paloalto-snh1.gtei.net!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!cyclone-transit.snfc21.pbi.net!216.218.192.242!news.he.net!typhoon.aracnet.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:59675 George R. Gonzalez wrote: > Being an impatient kind of guy, I've always been annoyed by slow-booting > systems. > So what's the fastest/slowest booting systems you've used? I want to say that a Honeywell DPS-8 took about an hour to boot, but that was probably coming up from tape, and included the time running all over the computer room checking switch settings. Normally we'd boot off of disk, which I seem to recall still took a LONG time. IIRC, our IBM S7A takes about an hour, and I don't think that includes any fscking, but I might be wrong (I've not seen it do a normal reboot yet). Fastest would probably be my old VIC-20, didn't even know it was booting, it was just on :^) Zane ###### Message-ID: <396BFBBB.CA73EC66@worldnet.att.net> From: William Lynch Reply-To: wblynch@worldnet.att.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Slowest/fastest booting systems? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 19 Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 05:02:14 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.78.104.174 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 963378134 12.78.104.174 (Wed, 12 Jul 2000 05:02:14 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 05:02:14 GMT Organization: AT&T Worldnet Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newsfeeds.belnet.be!news.belnet.be!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!netnews.com!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!135.173.83.20!wnmasters3!bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:59655 "George R. Gonzalez" wrote: > > Being an impatient kind of guy, I've always been annoyed by slow-booting > systems. > > So what's the fastest/slowest booting systems you've used? > > Ground rules: not fair counting "fsck" time. Don't bother reporting your > calculator's boot time. > > My pair: > > Slowest: For me was the first PC my employer managed to find for my use. It was a 48 MB Pentium 75 running NT. It literally took 10 minutes from when I entered my password until I could do anything else. Bill Lynch ###### From: Charles Richmond Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Slowest/fastest booting systems? Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 23:45:05 -0700 Organization: Cannine Computer Center Lines: 23 Message-ID: <396D6570.592E3494@ev1.net> References: <396CDFB5.65A13907@thinkage.ca> Reply-To: richmond@ev1.net X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!News.Amsterdam.UnisourceCS!skynet.be!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!telocity-west!TELOCITY!sn-xit-01!supernews.com!sn-inject-01!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:59737 "Alan T. Bowler" wrote: > > [snip...] [snip...] [snip..] > > The system that took the longest to boot that I used was the > /360-75 when it was being powered up from cold. It would take > about 3/4 hour, most of which was spent waiting for the temperature > of various parts to stablize. The 1620 was faster, you needed > to wait about 20-25 minutes for it to warm up. > I remember back in college it took computer services at least 25 minutes to IPL (boot up) the IBM 370-155. Someone told me that it took so long because several frequency generators had to be synchronized as well as power supplies to stabalize. I did some work on a 1620 in Fortran II, but I was *never* around when it was booted...it ran 24/7, so I am *not* sure if it had to be booted up very often... -- +-------------------------------------------------------------+ | Charles and Francis Richmond | +-------------------------------------------------------------+ ###### From: toor@y1.jdyson.net (John S. Dyson) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Slowest/fastest booting systems? Date: 13 Jul 2000 10:41:34 GMT Organization: http://extra.newsguy.com Lines: 27 Message-ID: <8kk6cu011gg@enews1.newsguy.com> References: <396CDFB5.65A13907@thinkage.ca> <396D6570.592E3494@ev1.net> Reply-To: dyson@iquest.net NNTP-Posting-Host: p-424.newsdawg.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Newsreader: knews 1.0b.1 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!enews.sgi.com!pln-w!spln!dex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!enews1 Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:59709 In article <396D6570.592E3494@ev1.net>, Charles Richmond writes: > "Alan T. Bowler" wrote: >> >> [snip...] [snip...] [snip..] >> >> The system that took the longest to boot that I used was the >> /360-75 when it was being powered up from cold. It would take >> about 3/4 hour, most of which was spent waiting for the temperature >> of various parts to stablize. The 1620 was faster, you needed >> to wait about 20-25 minutes for it to warm up. >> > I remember back in college it took computer services at least 25 > minutes to IPL (boot up) the IBM 370-155. Someone told me that > it took so long because several frequency generators had to be > synchronized as well as power supplies to stabalize. > > I did some work on a 1620 in Fortran II, but I was *never* around > when it was booted...it ran 24/7, so I am *not* sure if it had to > be booted up very often... > I worked on/with a 3B15 (AT&T) that took about 3/4 of an hour to reboot. Alot of the time was spent in feeding the large number of interface devices. I am VERY GLAD that I didn't do kernel development on that box!!! John ###### From: Jim Thomas Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Slowest/fastest booting systems? Date: 13 Jul 2000 12:48:17 -1000 Organization: Canada France Hawai`i Telescope Lines: 8 Message-ID: References: <396CDFB5.65A13907@thinkage.ca> <396D6570.592E3494@ev1.net> <8kk98t$99k$4@bob.news.rcn.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: atlas.cfht.hawaii.edu X-Trace: news.hawaii.edu 963528497 2306 128.171.80.135 (13 Jul 2000 22:48:17 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@hawaii.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 13 Jul 2000 22:48:17 GMT X-Newsreader: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.6 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!enews.sgi.com!newsxfer.eecs.umich.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!news.hawaii.edu!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:59782 >>>>> "/BAH" == jmfbahciv writes: /BAH> Didn't you need field service around to boot a 1620 (after a power /BAH> down)? It seems to me that was written into the contract...but /BAH> my brain is really fuzzy today. It took a bit of doing to put the emergency off switch back together, but power was easily cycled. ###### From: "Roger Johnstone" Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Slowest/fastest booting systems? Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 18:49:59 +1200 Organization: Ihug Limited (Invercargill) Lines: 36 Message-ID: <963557388.549563@inv.ihug.co.nz> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: inv.ihug.co.nz Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.01 (295) Cache-Post-Path: inv.ihug.co.nz!unknown@p3-max3.inv.ihug.co.nz X-Cache: nntpcache 2.4.0b2 (see http://www.nntpcache.org/) Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!nyc-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!colt.net!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!feeder.via.net!ihug.co.nz!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:59755 ---------- In article , "George R. Gonzalez" wrote: >Being an impatient kind of guy, I've always been annoyed by slow-booting >systems. > >So what's the fastest/slowest booting systems you've used? > >Ground rules: not fair counting "fsck" time. Don't bother reporting your >calculator's boot time. I use Bernie ][ The Rescue, an Apple IIgs emulator. On my iMac it boots into System 6 (which occupies about 1MB of memory, 2.2MB of disk space) in just 2 seconds :-). By comparison, on my real IIgs with a similar system folder it takes about 60 seconds :-( (from a SCSI drive with a DMA interface). But the slowest I've used was today. I was resurrecting an old 386 PC for use as a drilling machine controller. The old 40MB hard drive was stuffed, so it got replaced with a 240MB from another machine which had been upgraded. The drive hadn't been erased and still had Windows 95 on it. I let it start up, just to see if it would load or not. This PC was a 386SX 33MHz with 4MB (and no cache), after about 5 minutes the desktop appeared. Then after another minute the desktop icons were redrawn. After another couple of minutes my boss decided that was enough of that and he wanted to use the bloody thing, so he gave it the 3 finger salute. It now has MS-DOS 6 on it and starts up in about 10 seconds. Roger Johnstone, Invercargill, New Zealand http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~rojaws ------------------------------------------ As a computer, I find your faith in technology amusing. ###### Reply-To: "Dave Powell" From: "Dave Powell" Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers References: <3965929B.3DF4D8A8@trailing-edge.com> Subject: Re: Slowest/fastest booting systems? Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 20:55:53 +0100 Lines: 64 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Message-ID: <3970b4d9$1_1@einstien.netscapeonline.co.uk> X-Report: Report abuse to abuse@netscapeonline.co.uk X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 10.20.1.166 NNTP-Posting-Host: 10.20.1.166 X-Trace: 15 Jul 2000 19:59:48 GMT, 10.20.1.166 X-Report: Report abuse to abuse@netscapeonline.co.uk Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!nyc-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!colt.net!diablo.netcom.net.uk!netcom.net.uk!newsfeed.icl.net!iclnet!plato.netscapeonline.co.uk!10.20.1.166 Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:59845 Tim Shoppa wrote in message news:3965929B.3DF4D8A8@trailing-edge.com... > George R. Gonzalez wrote: > > Fastest: PDP-8/E booting OS/8 from an RKO5 disk-- about 0.2 seconds > > PDP-8/E booting OS/8 from RX01 *and* loading the entire application > software to run an aslphalt mixing plant -- about 0.5 seconds. > > Tim. This week I've been mildly irritated by the thought that my PDP8/M wa^H^His so much slower.With RK05, usually 0.4s. (Excluding toggling in the primary boot and timed from hitting the "cont" key to KMON's dot.) Eventually I realised that it's console terminal dependent, and that with an ASR33, "cr" " lf " "." takes more time than the disk I/O. 0.2s is possible with, say, VT05. But I still cannot figure out how that RX01 booted and loaded the app in just three revolutions of the floppy disk! My fastest.- BO VM: command on a PDP11/73 +RL02 under RT11. My slowest - DEC FS droid trying to boot OS/8 on TD8E ROM system by toggling in 12k TD8E bootstrap. Eventually he ran the paper tape Maindecs, found everything OK, went back to his office for a "known to be good'' system tape. We took pity on him and booted it whilst he was away. He came back with a Dectape marked "TC08 sys". Regards, -- David P. ###### From: Jim Thomas Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Slowest/fastest booting systems? Date: 17 Jul 2000 13:39:30 -1000 Organization: Canada France Hawai`i Telescope Lines: 14 Message-ID: References: <396CDFB5.65A13907@thinkage.ca> <396D6570.592E3494@ev1.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: atlas.cfht.hawaii.edu X-Trace: news.hawaii.edu 963877171 15218 128.171.80.135 (17 Jul 2000 23:39:31 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@hawaii.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 17 Jul 2000 23:39:31 GMT X-Newsreader: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.6 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!News.Amsterdam.UnisourceCS!skynet.be!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!news.hawaii.edu!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:59991 >>>>> "Charles" == Charles Richmond writes: Charles> I did some work on a 1620 in Fortran II, but I was *never* around Charles> when it was booted...it ran 24/7, so I am *not* sure if it had to Charles> be booted up very often... That must actually have been FORTRAN II-D. If it was using cards, it was booted for every user. The disk version would stay "up" as long as the user didn't trash core. The disk boot did not take more than 1 or 2 seconds - all it did was one large disk read followed by a TR 100,102 (did anyone ever figure out why it was not read into 100 directly?) (TR was transmit record - a copy instruction.) Nothead ###### From: rea@bofh.org.uk (Robert Allison) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Slowest/fastest booting systems? Date: 1 Aug 2000 00:51:45 GMT Organization: Unlikely Lines: 25 Approved: Improbable Message-ID: <8F82D26E2reabofhorguk@209.155.56.81> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: p-903.newsdawg.com User-Agent: Xnews/03.07.28 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!enews.sgi.com!paloalto-snf1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!newsfeed.stanford.edu!pln-w!spln!dex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!news2 Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:60927 gerardS@prairietech.net (GerardS) wrote in : [snip] >For those of you that are interested, KINGSTON FORTRAN II was about as >powerfull as some FORTRAN IV compilers. Mixed mode was allowed >everywhere (including DO loops), it had Hollerith constants (H), G and >T formats, and floating point was simulated as the hardware floating >point was an optional (but expensive) option. And the compiler was a >one-pass compiler. It also had a FORMAT option (U) that let you >specify the FORMAT option in the input/output statement. I know I'm a little late here, but the Kingston FORTRAN compiler for the 1620 was written at DuPont Kingston by Don Jardine's group, NOT at Waterloo. It was indeed close to FORTRAN IV in capability. Waterloo (Paul Cress et al) wrote the FORGO interpreter(?) for the 1620, a fast student code-and-go, then WatFOR and WatFIV for 360 later. When I was at Queen's University at Kingston we used both. Robert -- Robert Allison rea@bofh.org.uk ###### From: "GerardS" Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers References: <8F82D26E2reabofhorguk@209.155.56.81> Subject: Re: Slowest/fastest booting systems? Lines: 39 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Message-ID: <5Vqh5.1511$K2.2743@newsfeed.slurp.net> Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 21:59:19 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.149.16.197 X-Trace: newsfeed.slurp.net 965098177 208.149.16.197 (Mon, 31 Jul 2000 21:49:37 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 21:49:37 CDT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.slurp.net!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:60938 | Robert Allison wrote: | >GerardS wrote in | [snip] | >For those of you that are interested, KINGSTON FORTRAN II was about as | >powerfull as some FORTRAN IV compilers. Mixed mode was allowed | >everywhere (including DO loops), it had Hollerith constants (H), G and | >T formats, and floating point was simulated as the hardware floating | >point was an optional (but expensive) option. And the compiler was a | >one-pass compiler. It also had a FORMAT option (U) that let you | >specify the FORMAT option in the input/output statement. | | I know I'm a little late here, but the Kingston FORTRAN compiler for the | 1620 was written at DuPont Kingston by Don Jardine's group, NOT at | Waterloo. It was indeed close to FORTRAN IV in capability. | | Waterloo (Paul Cress et al) wrote the FORGO interpreter(?) for the 1620, | a fast student code-and-go, then WatFOR and WatFIV for 360 later. | | When I was at Queen's University at Kingston we used both. | | Robert ______________ My apologies: if I had taken the time to crack my old Kingston FORTRAN II manual, I would have found out who was responsible: J. A. Field, 1 D. A. Jardine, 2 E. S. Lee, 1 J. A. Lee, 3 R. L. Pratt, 4 D. G. Robinson 2 1=Dept. of Electrical Engineering, Uiversity of Toronto 2=Du Pont of Canada Ltd., Research Center, Kingston, Ontario 3=Computing Centre, University of Massachusetts, Amerst, Mass. 4=Data Corporation, Dayton, Ohio Gerard S. ###### From: Jim Stewart Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Slowest/fastest booting systems? Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 18:27:02 -0700 Organization: http://www.jkmicro.com Lines: 24 Message-ID: X-Orig-Message-ID: <398B6D66.D1CA9C9A@jkmicro.com> References: Reply-To: jstewart@jkmicro.com Abuse-Reports-To: abuse at airmail.net to report improper postings NNTP-Proxy-Relay: library2.airnews.net NNTP-Posting-Time: Fri Aug 4 20:29:17 2000 NNTP-Posting-Host: !X]ej1k-X+X#?[p@W`?#IrH1" (Encoded at Airnews!) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: alt.folklore.computers X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!HSNX.atgi.net!cabal11.airnews.net!news.airnews.net!cabal14.airnews.net!news.airnews.net!cabal1.airnews.net!news-f.iadfw.net!jkmicro.com!anonymous Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:61247 "George R. Gonzalez" wrote: > > Being an impatient kind of guy, I've always been annoyed by slow-booting > systems. > > So what's the fastest/slowest booting systems you've used? > > Ground rules: not fair counting "fsck" time. Don't bother reporting your > calculator's boot time. > > My pair: > > Slowest: VaxStation 2000 booting VMS-- about 9 minutes? > Never actually timed it, I booted it just once > before tossing it in the dumpster. > > Fastest: PDP-8/E booting OS/8 from an RKO5 disk-- about 0.2 seconds I've written bios's that boot MS/DOS out of a flash drive in less than a half second - on an 8Mhz CPU. Jim ###### Message-ID: <398EAD0F.A8DD8477@netinsight.se> From: Johnny Billquist Organization: Netinsight AB X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.14 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Slowest/fastest booting systems? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Lines: 19 Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 12:35:27 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.16.221.33 X-Complaints-To: abuse@telia.com X-Trace: newsc.telia.net 965651727 194.16.221.33 (Mon, 07 Aug 2000 14:35:27 MET DST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 14:35:27 MET DST Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newsfeeds.belnet.be!news.belnet.be!newsfeedZ.netscum.dQ!netscum.int!uninett.no!newsfeed1.enitel.no!masternews.telia.net!newsc.telia.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:61445 Jim Stewart wrote: > > "George R. Gonzalez" wrote: > > > > Fastest: PDP-8/E booting OS/8 from an RKO5 disk-- about 0.2 seconds > > I've written bios's that boot MS/DOS out of a flash drive in less than a > half second - on an 8Mhz CPU. Just in case you don't know, the PDP-8/E have about 1 Mhz CPU... Johnny -- Johnny Billquist | johnny.billquist@netinsight.net Net Insight AB | phone: +46 8 685 04 88 Västberga Allé 9 | fax: +46 8 685 04 20 Box 42093 | SE-126 30 STOCKHOLM, Sweden | http://www.netinsight.net ###### From: Jim Stewart Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Slowest/fastest booting systems? Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 08:54:06 -0700 Organization: http://www.jkmicro.com Lines: 20 Message-ID: <1A53ED82E0A99D33.0D2A70CB61B7EBD2.54E0F498FD41C972@lp.airnews.net> X-Orig-Message-ID: <398EDB9E.A00A8F0@jkmicro.com> References: <398EAD0F.A8DD8477@netinsight.se> Reply-To: jstewart@jkmicro.com Abuse-Reports-To: abuse at airmail.net to report improper postings NNTP-Proxy-Relay: library2.airnews.net NNTP-Posting-Time: Mon Aug 7 10:55:18 2000 NNTP-Posting-Host: !b? > Jim Stewart wrote: > > > > "George R. Gonzalez" wrote: > > > > > > Fastest: PDP-8/E booting OS/8 from an RKO5 disk-- about 0.2 seconds > > > > I've written bios's that boot MS/DOS out of a flash drive in less than a > > half second - on an 8Mhz CPU. > > Just in case you don't know, the PDP-8/E have about 1 Mhz CPU... > I know, I used to fix them. Booting DOS involves loading at least 8x the code and data that booting OS/8 does. Probably closer to 15x-20x Jim