From: hawksmoor@dial.pipex.com (Julia Hawkes-Moore) Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Choices after death Date: Sun, 21 May 2000 09:25:37 GMT Organization: UUNET WorldCom server (post doesn't reflect views of UUNET WorldCom Lines: 120 Message-ID: <3927a897.6195100@news.dial.pipex.com> Reply-To: hawksmoor@dial.pipex.com NNTP-Posting-Host: userad97.uk.uudial.com X-Trace: lure.pipex.net 958901709 18189 62.188.131.140 (21 May 2000 09:35:09 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@uk.uu.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 21 May 2000 09:35:09 GMT X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newsfeeds.belnet.be!news.belnet.be!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!newsfeed.wirehub.nl!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!tube.news.pipex.net!pipex!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.out-of-body:42456 This is a version of the reply I sent to a friend who had been recently widowed. He asked: What choices do you think someone is presented with at death? Okay, the choice will depend upon the person. You will have to interpret this reply in the light of your experience of your own cares, concerns and joys, and those of the person who has died. If a person has been very ill for a long time, they need not make any immediate choices. They spend some months recovering in a calm and pleasant 'Astral hospital'. I was called to visit one special friend there five months after she had died, and she gave me a message of love for her daughters. She was in a lovely white room, tended by healing angels. She spoke to me just as she was ready to move on, and wanted to let her girls know that she had no more pain and anguish. I offered her healing, but she smiled and returned it to me, then stood up and walked through the veiled curtains into a wonderful luminous light. She was going to the heaven she desired. At her funeral, her presence had been very strong, filled with love and sympathy for everyone present. Also a vivid sense of joy that she had made so many dear friends in her life. As the family left the church for the grave, I saw her youngest daughter physically transform into her mother, and Becky has since felt that a part of her mother entered her at that time to give her much-needed strength and reassurance. Incidentally, although it was puzzling why she had chosen to give her message to me, I now recognise that I was the only person she saw in the months before her death who had not begged her to stay with them. She lingered on in pain far longer than the doctors had guessed, because she was tied down to her body by the demands of her family. I had expected that she would die, so I gave her a loving farewell, and an orange tree to flower and fruit beside her - it lived on after her. This must have been a release and comfort to her. My father-in-law, a lovely man, died after many years of silence and debilitation after a major stroke. He only died once he saw his wife of 51 years happily installed in a pleasant retirement home, with us nearby to care for and entertain her. He often visited her; I could sense his presence, but my 3 year old son Gabriel could see him clearly, sitting in his favourite chair. He told his Granny that Grandad was there, and that he was pleased to see everyone. He said that Grandad was happy and "in a place where there are lots of little children". Joan was delighted; she needed confirmation that Fred was still caring for her, and knew that heaven to Fred would be full of small children, as he had brought up three babies single-handed in a time when men hardly ever saw children, and loved them deeply. As he is now recovered and strengthened, Fred has stopped visiting. Joan was so comforted that she was able to release him and let him go to care for the babies. Now she enjoys her widowhood. People who die suddenly are often so scared and shocked that they cling onto life. Roads and hospital operating theatres are haunted by accident victims, unable to believe that they are dead and unable to make any decision to leave. Some are stronger-willed. A friend who had been killed suddenly, visited his pregnant wife every night to hug her just as she fell asleep. The baby looked exactly like him when he was born, and his father is his Guardian. A year after his death, she (and their dog) saw him walking away from the cemetery and knew that she did not need his comfort any more. She married his best friend some time later, who adopted his son, and they are very happy. The dead can choose to haunt their homes, places of death or emotional attachment, graves or the place where their ashes are scattered. I have seen many ghosts, of which some were aware of me, others heedless. That is their choice, but if they request help to 'move on' then I try to help. Last week I attended a ceremony where we scattered that ashes of a friend; I had asked that his ashes not be divided into two locations but kept in one place where he had been relaxed and happy. Other than making that one request, I stood back and watched his family celebrate his life. Some dead choose to watch over the living as Guardian angels. Some choose restful and complete blackness as their heaven. Unhappy suicides or heroin addicts find themselves in the hell that they have created around them on earth. My Great-Uncle, a hellfire Methodist preacher and very cold and unloving in life, came to me in a seance to gasp out his astonishment that heaven and hell were not as he had expected at all! He regretted bullying so many congregations with his false opinions and felt responsible for sending many people to a miserable afterlife. He was overwhelmed by the Love he had met, and was reunited lovingly with his family and wife, whom he had neglected in life. He had become a far nicer person after death! Most spirits eventually move on to a place of teaching, where they learn to assess their past life and to select a new life which will be complimentary to their old one. A few advanced spirits do not return but become angels. When you were at you very lowest and most desolate moment, and contemplating suicide, you may have been so desperate for help that you opened yourself to an angel or to the dying person, who 'walked in' to strengthen and reinforce your own personality, as her mother did to Becky. This explains why you have coped so well with your loss, and why you are now learning many new truths. Look inside yourself to contact your 'Walk in' and take comfort from their love. Shamans are trained to accompany the dead to help them make their choices as 'psychopomps' or 'midwives of the soul'. They can help the dying or comatose to decide on their paths. They see that organ donors manifest something of their personality in the person who receives the organ. Lost body parts are acknowledged and recovered or healed. Past lives are also understood and used to heal present suffering. We see the cords and chains with which people bind themselves to the living and the dead. A shaman could talk to your wife if you wished, but would prefer to cut your connections to her so that you can get on with your own life. That is your choice, and hers. Decide on what you want when the time is right for you. > Heavy Email - sorry bout that No, I am honoured by your trust in my replies. These questions are no more than the ones I have been asking, reading and meditating about for the last three years. I only hope that my replies are of some help to you in this time of great readjustment. You have changed and altered and grown deep within your own soul, and your aims and hopes are different now. You will often not know whether you are on your head or your heels, but you are still with us, and so you have made a significant choice to involve yourself with the trials and joys of this world. Be happy: with all its shams, drudgeries and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. (Desiderata) With all my love, Julia. ###### From: "jean.perrier7" Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Choices after death Date: Sun, 21 May 2000 11:47:32 +0200 Lines: 3 Message-ID: <8g8bdu$i6d$1@news4.isdnet.net> References: <3927a897.6195100@news.dial.pipex.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp158-paris9.libertysurf.fr X-Trace: news4.isdnet.net 958902526 18637 213.36.42.158 (21 May 2000 09:48:46 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@isdnet.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 21 May 2000 09:48:46 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!isdnet!isdnethub!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.out-of-body:42442 i have some obe, i can talk about it... ###### From: Haunter@castles.com (Haunter) Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Choices after death Date: Sun, 21 May 2000 14:35:13 GMT Organization: AlteredState Imaging/Psi App/WCS Lines: 18 Message-ID: <393cf391.162453005@cnews.newsguy.com> References: <3927a897.6195100@news.dial.pipex.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p-350.newsdawg.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news-fra1.dfn.de!news0.de.colt.net!colt.net!newsfeed.gamma.ru!Gamma.RU!pln-e!spln!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!enews4 Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.out-of-body:42458 On Sun, 21 May 2000 09:25:37 GMT, hawksmoor@dial.pipex.com (Julia Hawkes-Moore) wrote: > This is a version of the reply I sent to a friend who had been >recently widowed. He asked: > > What choices do you think someone is presented with at death? > Be happy: with all its shams, drudgeries and broken dreams, it is >still a beautiful world. (Desiderata) > With all my love, Julia. Beautifully written, Julia. If it's ok with you, I'd like to share it with the widowed neighbor who's just lost her youngest son to violence. I've done what I can to console her, but this really is much better than anything I've been able to relate. Patrick ###### From: hawksmoor@dial.pipex.com (Julia Hawkes-Moore) Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Choices after death Date: Sun, 21 May 2000 16:20:01 GMT Organization: UUNET WorldCom server (post doesn't reflect views of UUNET WorldCom Lines: 8 Message-ID: <39280c4c.515800@news.dial.pipex.com> References: <3927a897.6195100@news.dial.pipex.com> <393cf391.162453005@cnews.newsguy.com> Reply-To: hawksmoor@dial.pipex.com NNTP-Posting-Host: useran37.uk.uudial.com X-Trace: lure.pipex.net 958926574 8823 62.188.135.54 (21 May 2000 16:29:34 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@uk.uu.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 21 May 2000 16:29:34 GMT X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.grnet.gr!news-feed1.eu.concert.net!news.algonet.se!algonet!newsfeed.wirehub.nl!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!tube.news.pipex.net!pipex!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.out-of-body:42453 On Sun, 21 May 2000 14:35:13 GMT, Haunter@castles.com (Haunter) wrote: >Beautifully written, Julia. If it's ok with you, I'd like to share it >with the widowed neighbor who's just lost her youngest son to >violence. I've done what I can to console her, but this really is much >better than anything I've been able to relate. Thank you, Patrick, please do show it to anyone whom could benefit! Love from Julia. ###### From: hawksmoor@dial.pipex.com (Julia Hawkes-Moore) Newsgroups: alt.out-of-body Subject: Re: Choices after death Date: Sun, 21 May 2000 16:22:56 GMT Organization: UUNET WorldCom server (post doesn't reflect views of UUNET WorldCom Lines: 10 Message-ID: <39280cb8.622629@news.dial.pipex.com> References: <3927a897.6195100@news.dial.pipex.com> <8g8bdu$i6d$1@news4.isdnet.net> Reply-To: hawksmoor@dial.pipex.com NNTP-Posting-Host: userac22.uk.uudial.com X-Trace: lure.pipex.net 958926750 8963 62.188.130.220 (21 May 2000 16:32:30 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@uk.uu.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 21 May 2000 16:32:30 GMT X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!News.Amsterdam.UnisourceCS!skynet.be!newsfeed.wirehub.nl!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!tube.news.pipex.net!pipex!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.out-of-body:42455 On Sun, 21 May 2000 11:47:32 +0200, "jean.perrier7" wrote: >i have some obe, i can talk about it... Ha! Fished out another lurker from the shadows! That always makes posting anything worthwhile. Welcome to you, Jean Perrier. Please do tell us of your obe experiences. It would be helpful for you to post these in a new and separate thread. Love from Julia.