From: Cthulhu Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Hercules, OS/360, mftr... Date: 13 May 2000 18:34:58 GMT Organization: Great Ancient Lines: 15 Message-ID: <8fk78i$qt$1@kadath.deep.it> NNTP-Posting-Host: ip058.pool-03.cyb.it X-Trace: news.flashnet.it 958244875 13414 195.191.3.59 (13 May 2000 19:07:55 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@flashnet.it NNTP-Posting-Date: 13 May 2000 19:07:55 GMT User-Agent: tin/pre-1.4-19990927 ("Nine While Nine") (UNIX) (Linux/2.2.14 (i586)) Originator: cthulhu@kadath.deep.it Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!News.Amsterdam.UnisourceCS!skynet.be!triton.skycache.com!194.247.160.4!newsfeeder.flashnet.it!news.flashnet.it!kadath.deep.it!cthulhu Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:56220 I'm playing with Hercules and MFTR, only for curiosity since I have never seen a Big Iron. They work fine, following the docs, but I don't really know what I am doing... before starting the download for OS/360, is there any place on the 'net where I can get more info on S/370, JCL and acquire more knowledge on that 'antique' things? :) exploring, Cthulhu -- Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu http://www.rlyeh.it wgah'nagl fhtgan! ###### From: ab528@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Heinz W. Wiggeshoff) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Hercules, OS/360, mftr... Date: 13 May 2000 20:45:57 GMT Organization: The National Capital FreeNet Lines: 21 Message-ID: <8fkeu5$ebb$1@freenet9.carleton.ca> References: <8fk78i$qt$1@kadath.deep.it> Reply-To: ab528@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Heinz W. Wiggeshoff) NNTP-Posting-Host: freenet10 X-Trace: freenet9.carleton.ca 958250757 14699 134.117.136.30 (13 May 2000 20:45:57 GMT) X-Complaints-To: complaints@ncf.ca NNTP-Posting-Date: 13 May 2000 20:45:57 GMT X-Given-Sender: ab528@freenet10.carleton.ca (Heinz W. Wiggeshoff) Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!News.Amsterdam.UnisourceCS!skynet.be!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp.frontiernet.net!nntp.gctr.net!xcski.com!freenet-news!FreeNet.Carleton.CA!ab528 Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:56249 Cthulhu (cthulhu@kadath.deep.it) writes: > I'm playing with Hercules and MFTR, only for curiosity since I have > never seen a Big Iron. > > They work fine, following the docs, but I don't really know what I am > doing... before starting the download for OS/360, is there any place > on the 'net where I can get more info on S/370, JCL and acquire more > knowledge on that 'antique' things? :) Find somebody nearby with grey (or little, sometimes no) hair who has Hollerith cards as bookmarks or shopping lists. Perhaps a rack of MFT, MVT or [shudder] DOS manuals squirreled away in the attic or garage. Don't use words like 'antique' or 'legacy' with this person. Always have an original Green Card (360) or Yellow Card (370) about when working on toy Big Iron. Learn the meaning of ABEND codes beyond S0C7. Principles of Operations is your bedtime reading. For your birthday, Brooks' 2nd ed. The Mythical Man Month has a higher priority than a Ferrari. Dye your underwear Deep Blue. Work at it for 20+ years, then report back here on the experience. B-) ###### From: Cthulhu Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Hercules, OS/360, mftr... Date: 14 May 2000 16:57:09 GMT Organization: Great Ancient Lines: 32 Message-ID: <8fmlt5$149$1@kadath.deep.it> References: <8fk78i$qt$1@kadath.deep.it> <8fkeu5$ebb$1@freenet9.carleton.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: ip037.pool-04.cyb.it X-Trace: news.flashnet.it 958337630 8112 195.191.3.166 (14 May 2000 20:53:50 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@flashnet.it NNTP-Posting-Date: 14 May 2000 20:53:50 GMT User-Agent: tin/pre-1.4-19990927 ("Nine While Nine") (UNIX) (Linux/2.2.14 (i586)) Originator: cthulhu@kadath.deep.it Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!News.Amsterdam.UnisourceCS!newshunter!cosy.sbg.ac.at!newsfeed.Austria.EU.net!newscore.univie.ac.at!194.25.134.126.MISMATCH!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!diablo.theplanet.net!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!zur.uu.net!ams.uu.net!ffx.uu.net!newsfeeder.flashnet.it!news.flashnet.it!kadath.deep.it!cthulhu Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:56294 Heinz W. Wiggeshoff wrote: > Find somebody nearby with grey (or little, sometimes no) hair who has > Hollerith cards as bookmarks or shopping lists. Perhaps a rack of I'll search in that places where I know there are MVS systems still running. :) > garage. Don't use words like 'antique' or 'legacy' with this person. Ok. "Great Ancient Computing" is right? :) > Always have an original Green Card (360) or Yellow Card (370) about A fake will be good enough? > birthday, Brooks' 2nd ed. The Mythical Man Month has a higher priority What's this? :? > than a Ferrari. Dye your underwear Deep Blue. Work at it for 20+ > years, then report back here on the experience. Will you be still here? >B] ageing, Cthulhu -- Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu http://www.rlyeh.it wgah'nagl fhtgan! ###### Message-ID: <39201920.CCFD9794@home.com> From: Pete Lamasney X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Hercules, OS/360, mftr... References: <8fk78i$qt$1@kadath.deep.it> <8fkeu5$ebb$1@freenet9.carleton.ca> <8fmlt5$149$1@kadath.deep.it> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 12 Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 15:34:58 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.0.172.250 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news1.rdc1.sdca.home.com 958404898 24.0.172.250 (Mon, 15 May 2000 08:34:58 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 08:34:58 PDT Organization: @Home Network Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!News.Amsterdam.UnisourceCS!skynet.be!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!cyclone.bc.net!onodera-news!newshub1.kdd.nap.home.ne.jp!news.home.ne.jp!newshub2.rdc1.sfba.home.com!newshub1.home.com!news.home.com!news1.rdc1.sdca.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:56449 Cthulhu wrote: > > Heinz W. Wiggeshoff wrote: > > > garage. Don't use words like 'antique' or 'legacy' with this person. > > Ok. "Great Ancient Computing" is right? :) > "Real Computing" should work fine. Pete ###### From: Cthulhu Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Hercules, OS/360, mftr... Date: 15 May 2000 21:05:49 GMT Organization: Great Ancient Lines: 15 Message-ID: <8fpord$125$1@kadath.deep.it> References: <8fk78i$qt$1@kadath.deep.it> <8fkeu5$ebb$1@freenet9.carleton.ca> <8fmlt5$149$1@kadath.deep.it> <39201920.CCFD9794@home.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ip056.pool-01.cyb.it X-Trace: news.flashnet.it 958424911 6015 195.191.2.57 (15 May 2000 21:08:31 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@flashnet.it NNTP-Posting-Date: 15 May 2000 21:08:31 GMT User-Agent: tin/pre-1.4-19990927 ("Nine While Nine") (UNIX) (Linux/2.2.14 (i586)) Originator: cthulhu@kadath.deep.it Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!News.Amsterdam.UnisourceCS!newshunter!cosy.sbg.ac.at!newsfeed.Austria.EU.net!newscore.univie.ac.at!194.25.134.126.MISMATCH!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!diablo.theplanet.net!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!zur.uu.net!ffx.uu.net!newsfeeder.flashnet.it!news.flashnet.it!kadath.deep.it!cthulhu Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:56309 Pete Lamasney wrote: > "Real Computing" should work fine. Hey, have you grey hair? Well, I've a copule of qestions about MVS... ;)) intercepting, Cthulhu -- Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu http://www.rlyeh.it wgah'nagl fhtgan! ###### Message-ID: <39208069.5D6AE107@home.com> From: Pete Lamasney X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Hercules, OS/360, mftr... References: <8fk78i$qt$1@kadath.deep.it> <8fkeu5$ebb$1@freenet9.carleton.ca> <8fmlt5$149$1@kadath.deep.it> <39201920.CCFD9794@home.com> <8fpord$125$1@kadath.deep.it> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 18 Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 22:55:39 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.0.172.250 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news1.rdc1.sdca.home.com 958431339 24.0.172.250 (Mon, 15 May 2000 15:55:39 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 15:55:39 PDT Organization: @Home Network Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!News.Amsterdam.UnisourceCS!skynet.be!newsfeed.gamma.ru!Gamma.RU!newshub1.kdd.nap.home.ne.jp!news.home.ne.jp!newshub2.rdc1.sfba.home.com!newshub1.home.com!news.home.com!news1.rdc1.sdca.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:56448 Cthulhu wrote: > > Pete Lamasney wrote: > > > "Real Computing" should work fine. > > Hey, have you grey hair? > What little is left, yes. > Well, I've a copule of qestions about MVS... ;)) > Ask away -- this NG is just the place for it! Pete ###### From: simotit@evitech.fi (Simo Tuominen) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Hercules, OS/360, mftr... Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 09:51:16 GMT Organization: Espoo-Vantaa Institute of Technology Lines: 15 Message-ID: <39225b69.63536668@localhost> References: <8fk78i$qt$1@kadath.deep.it> <8fkeu5$ebb$1@freenet9.carleton.ca> <8fmlt5$149$1@kadath.deep.it> <39201920.CCFD9794@home.com> <8fpord$125$1@kadath.deep.it> NNTP-Posting-Host: aqua00.edu2.evitech.fi Cancel-Lock: sha1:oHYqShqgHaNmi+jN/m13Iy9CgPs= X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 X-NFilter: 1.2.0 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newscore.univie.ac.at!newsfeed1.uni2.dk!news.algonet.se!algonet!news-peer-europe.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!newsfeed.bahnhof.se!news.defero.net!news.bbnetworks.net!learnet.freenet.hut.fi!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:56675 On 15 May 2000 21:05:49 GMT, Cthulhu wrote: >Pete Lamasney wrote: > >> "Real Computing" should work fine. > >Hey, have you grey hair? You can measure nothing by that alone. The men in my family get grey hare^H^Hir early, and I've had a few since I was 16. Not that you can tell... >Well, I've a copule of qestions about MVS... ;)) ^^^^^^ Um? :) ###### From: simotit@evitech.fi (Simo Tuominen) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Hercules, OS/360, mftr... Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 09:51:16 GMT Organization: Espoo-Vantaa Institute of Technology Lines: 15 Message-ID: <39225b69.63536668@localhost> References: <8fk78i$qt$1@kadath.deep.it> <8fkeu5$ebb$1@freenet9.carleton.ca> <8fmlt5$149$1@kadath.deep.it> <39201920.CCFD9794@home.com> <8fpord$125$1@kadath.deep.it> NNTP-Posting-Host: aqua00.edu2.evitech.fi Cancel-Lock: sha1:oHYqShqgHaNmi+jN/m13Iy9CgPs= X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 X-NFilter: 1.2.0 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newscore.univie.ac.at!newsfeed1.uni2.dk!news.algonet.se!algonet!news-peer-europe.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!newsfeed.bahnhof.se!news.defero.net!news.bbnetworks.net!learnet.freenet.hut.fi!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:56676 On 15 May 2000 21:05:49 GMT, Cthulhu wrote: >Pete Lamasney wrote: > >> "Real Computing" should work fine. > >Hey, have you grey hair? You can measure nothing by that alone. The men in my family get grey hare^H^Hir early, and I've had a few since I was 16. Not that you can tell... >Well, I've a copule of qestions about MVS... ;)) ^^^^^^ Um? :) ###### From: Cthulhu Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Hercules, OS/360, mftr... Date: 22 May 2000 21:04:00 GMT Organization: Great Ancient Lines: 23 Message-ID: <8gc7c0$mu$1@kadath.deep.it> References: <8fk78i$qt$1@kadath.deep.it> <8fkeu5$ebb$1@freenet9.carleton.ca> <8fmlt5$149$1@kadath.deep.it> <39201920.CCFD9794@home.com> <8fpord$125$1@kadath.deep.it> <39225b69.63536668@localhost> NNTP-Posting-Host: ip061.pool-02.cyb.it X-Trace: news.flashnet.it 959031434 15098 195.191.2.190 (22 May 2000 21:37:14 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@flashnet.it NNTP-Posting-Date: 22 May 2000 21:37:14 GMT User-Agent: tin/pre-1.4-19990927 ("Nine While Nine") (UNIX) (Linux/2.2.14 (i586)) Originator: cthulhu@kadath.deep.it Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newscore.univie.ac.at!194.25.134.126.MISMATCH!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!newsfeed.wirehub.nl!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!ams.uu.net!ffx.uu.net!newsfeeder.flashnet.it!news.flashnet.it!kadath.deep.it!cthulhu Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:56894 Simo Tuominen wrote: > On 15 May 2000 21:05:49 GMT, Cthulhu wrote: > You can measure nothing by that alone. The men in my family get grey > hare^H^Hir early, and I've had a few since I was 16. Not that you can > tell... Did you see the lost soul of a windows programmer from the future? :) >>Well, I've a copule of qestions about MVS... ;)) > ^^^^^^ > Um? :) Ehr... ... ah... "pair", was what I meant. :#) adjusting, Cthulhu -- Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu http://www.rlyeh.it wgah'nagl fhtgan! ###### From: simotit@evitech.fi (Simo Tuominen) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Hercules, OS/360, mftr... Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 10:22:57 GMT Organization: Espoo-Vantaa Institute of Technology Lines: 23 Message-ID: <392aff63.3916824@localhost> References: <8fk78i$qt$1@kadath.deep.it> <8fkeu5$ebb$1@freenet9.carleton.ca> <8fmlt5$149$1@kadath.deep.it> <39201920.CCFD9794@home.com> <8fpord$125$1@kadath.deep.it> <39225b69.63536668@localhost> <8gc7c0$mu$1@kadath.deep.it> NNTP-Posting-Host: aqua00.edu2.evitech.fi Cancel-Lock: sha1:rryM475qRNSfKdSC7VxoxEj7Wd4= X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 X-NFilter: 1.2.0 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!isdnet!newsfeed.icl.net!news.algonet.se!algonet!news-peer-europe.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!newsfeed.bahnhof.se!news.defero.net!news.bbnetworks.net!learnet.freenet.hut.fi!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:56949 On 22 May 2000 21:04:00 GMT, Cthulhu wrote: >Simo Tuominen wrote: > >> On 15 May 2000 21:05:49 GMT, Cthulhu wrote: > >> You can measure nothing by that alone. The men in my family get grey >> hare^H^Hir early, and I've had a few since I was 16. Not that you can >> tell... > >Did you see the lost soul of a windows programmer from the future? :) I don't think I did. Besides, I'm young enough that the lost soul may have been from the then-present. After all, I'm only 27 (not that I always remember it; I often think I'm younger than my physical age). >>>Well, I've a copule of qestions about MVS... ;)) >> ^^^^^^ >> Um? :) > >Ehr... ... ah... "pair", was what I meant. :#) Thought so. Just teasing. :)