Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: New retronym spotted! Furrfu. (possibly offensive) [R] Organization: Plethora . Net - More Net, Less Spam! X-Newsreader: trn 4.0-test72 (19 April 1999) From: seebs@plethora.net (Peter Seebach) Date: 04 May 2000 18:41:15 GMT Lines: 12 Message-ID: <3911c44b$1$8250$3c090ad1@news.plethora.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 6beeccba.news.plethora.net X-Trace: 957465675 gemini.plethora.net 8250 seebs@205.166.146.8 X-Complaints-To: abuse@plethora.net Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!News.Amsterdam.UnisourceCS!skynet.be!hermes.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!gemini.visi.com.MISMATCH!gemini.plethora.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:55472 So, someone on a mailing list I'm on hadn't seen Furrfu before, and suggested the retronym "Shpxrq hc. Ernyyl, ernyyl, shpxrq hc". If you don't know how I encoded that, you don't know what furrfu is and this won't be interesting to you. ;) -s -- Copyright 2000, All rights reserved. Peter Seebach / seebs@plethora.net C/Unix wizard, Pro-commerce radical, Spam fighter. Boycott Spamazon! Consulting & Computers: http://www.plethora.net/ Get paid to surf! No spam. http://www.alladvantage.com/go.asp?refid=GZX636 ###### From: jmfbahciv@aol.com Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: New retronym spotted! Furrfu. (possibly offensive) [R] Date: Fri, 05 May 00 10:41:51 GMT Organization: UltraNet Communications, Inc. Lines: 16 Message-ID: <8eui51$n46$6@bob.news.rcn.net> References: <3911c44b$1$8250$3c090ad1@news.plethora.net> X-Trace: 55y17oKUM6WeSR2EtQJPDkaAZf8JDBYEN8S4u37Nb1M= X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 5 May 2000 13:25:53 GMT X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #4 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news.datacomm.ch!newscore.gigabell.net!news0.de.colt.net!colt.net!diablo.theplanet.net!europa.netcrusader.net!207.172.3.37!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!216-164-247-145 Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:55434 In article <3911c44b$1$8250$3c090ad1@news.plethora.net>, seebs@plethora.net (Peter Seebach) wrote: >So, someone on a mailing list I'm on hadn't seen Furrfu before, and suggested >the retronym "Shpxrq hc. Ernyyl, ernyyl, shpxrq hc". > >If you don't know how I encoded that, you don't know what >furrfu is and this won't be interesting to you. ;) I don't know how you encoded anything, but I liked the sound of the word furrfu. The picture that came to my mind was a cat having a hissy fit on a bad hair day. /BAH Subtract a hundred and four for e-mail. ###### From: Philippe Nave Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: New retronym spotted! Furrfu. (possibly offensive) [R] Date: Thu, 04 May 2000 13:07:34 -0600 Organization: Lucent Technologies Lines: 20 Message-ID: <3911CA76.58E6088D@lucent.com> References: <3911c44b$1$8250$3c090ad1@news.plethora.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: cof110nave.dr.lucent.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!News.Amsterdam.UnisourceCS!skynet.be!newsfeed.skycache.com!Cidera!152.163.239.131!portc03.blue.aol.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!207.24.196.41!nntphub.cb.lucent.com!news Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:55411 Peter Seebach wrote: > > So, someone on a mailing list I'm on hadn't seen Furrfu before, and > suggested the retronym "Shpxrq hc. Ernyyl, ernyyl, shpxrq hc". > > If you don't know how I encoded that, you don't know what furrfu > is and this won't be interesting to you. ;) Yep. Similar situation popped up on alt.folklore.urban a little while back; the new guy 'reverse engineered' furrfu to get exactly the same result you cite. Not only was 'furrfu' a mystery, the guy didn't even know what rot13 was. Damn, I feel old... Philippe -- ======================================================================= Philippe D. Nave, Jr.| 'Cry havoc, and let slip the dogs of war!' Denver, Colorado USA | How's my posting? 1-800-DEV-NULL pnave@lucent.com | Reality 2.0: Score counter, extra men, and hints ###### From: Joshua Hesse <00093182@bigred.unl.edu> Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: New retronym spotted! Furrfu. (possibly offensive) [R] Date: 4 May 2000 19:28:21 GMT Organization: People Eating Tasty Animals, UNL chapter Lines: 12 Message-ID: <8esj0l$s9d$1@unlnews.unl.edu> References: <3911c44b$1$8250$3c090ad1@news.plethora.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: bigred.unl.edu X-HTML:
X-URL: http://straylight.unl.edu/concussion/ User-Agent: tin/1.4.2-20000205 ("Possession") (UNIX) (OSF1/V4.0 (alpha)) Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news.datacomm.ch!newsmaster-01.atnet.at!atnet.at!newscore.univie.ac.at!fu-berlin.de!headwall.stanford.edu!unlnews.unl.edu!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:55442 Peter Seebach wrote: :So, someone on a mailing list I'm on hadn't seen Furrfu before, and suggested :the retronym "Shpxrq hc. Ernyyl, ernyyl, shpxrq hc". ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ So, rot13(Furrfu) = "Sheesh" ? -Josh "Sheesh... some people..." -- "I have also mastered pomposity, even if I do say so myself." -Kryten ###### From: h.nareid@nareid.demon.co.uk (Helge Nareid) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: New retronym spotted! Furrfu. (possibly offensive) [R] Date: Thu, 04 May 2000 23:42:39 +0100 Message-ID: <24v3hsos5nub5ea976giidivq5f351rrn4@news.demon.co.uk> References: <3911c44b$1$8250$3c090ad1@news.plethora.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: nareid.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: nareid.demon.co.uk:193.237.51.93 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 957480106 nnrp-08:29961 NO-IDENT nareid.demon.co.uk:193.237.51.93 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 10 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!News.Amsterdam.UnisourceCS!skynet.be!newsfeed.gamma.ru!Gamma.RU!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!newsfeed.wirehub.nl!bullseye.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!nareid.demon.co.uk!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:55443 On 04 May 2000 18:41:15 GMT, seebs@plethora.net (Peter Seebach) wrote: >So, someone on a mailing list I'm on hadn't seen Furrfu before, and suggested >the retronym "Shpxrq hc. Ernyyl, ernyyl, shpxrq hc". Thank you! The best laugh I've had in at least two weeks .... -- - Helge Nareid Nordmann i utlendighet, Aberdeen, Scotland ###### From: Ian Stirling Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: New retronym spotted! Furrfu. (possibly offensive) [R] Date: Fri, 05 May 2000 01:48:37 GMT Organization: None.. Message-ID: <957491317.23645.0.nnrp-09.9e98d142@news.demon.co.uk> References: <3911c44b$1$8250$3c090ad1@news.plethora.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: mauve.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: mauve.demon.co.uk:158.152.209.66 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 957491317 nnrp-09:23645 NO-IDENT mauve.demon.co.uk:158.152.209.66 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net User-Agent: tin/pre-1.4-980818 ("Laura") (UNIX) (Linux/2.2.14 (i586)) Originator: root@mauve.demon.co.uk Lines: 112 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news.datacomm.ch!newscore.gigabell.net!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!diablo.theplanet.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!mauve.demon.co.uk!root Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:55481 Peter Seebach wrote: >So, someone on a mailing list I'm on hadn't seen Furrfu before, and suggested >the retronym "Shpxrq hc. Ernyyl, ernyyl, shpxrq hc". >If you don't know how I encoded that, you don't know what furrfu is and this >won't be interesting to you. ;) I had a bored moment. elna ryan ivar vine ebola robyn green terra gena tran pyrex clerk ones barf geri trev fran sena only bayl nera aren ryan elna arne near near arne clerk pyrex sync flap tran gena graf tens cheryl purely trev geri snore faber purely cheryl shone fubar aren nera pure cher cher pure urea her] what jung jung what tyner glare robyn ebola cert preg rail envy envy rail engr rate glare tyner tang gnat craf pens pres cerf faber snore preg cert snag fant kenl xray terra green fubar shone gnat tang fury shel shea furn shel fury xray kenl barf ones sena fran bayl only net arg nor abe ga t' ney arl nov abi n a o b r e s f rng eat a n b o e r h u i v l y bar one bet org tnt gag try gel vs if jul why aha nun one bar org bet nun aha if vs we jr rfc esp am nz rfd esq hey url she fur abe nor url hey esp rfc esq rfd fur she cfv psi ing vat cbc pop ink vax why jul wha jun -- http://inquisitor.i.am/ | mailto:inquisitor@i.am | Ian Stirling. ---------------------------+-------------------------+-------------------------- To do is to be To be is to do Do be do be do do ###### Message-ID: <391245C2.47253B1F@boutel.co.nz> From: Brian Boutel X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: New retronym spotted! Furrfu. (possibly offensive) [R] References: <3911c44b$1$8250$3c090ad1@news.plethora.net> <957491317.23645.0.nnrp-09.9e98d142@news.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: Paradise Net Ltd. Customer Cache-Post-Path: shelley.paradise.net.nz!unknown@boutel.co.nz X-Cache: nntpcache 2.4.0b2 (see http://www.nntpcache.org/) Lines: 16 Date: Fri, 05 May 2000 15:53:38 +1200 NNTP-Posting-Host: 203.96.152.26 X-Complaints-To: newsadmin@xtra.co.nz X-Trace: news.xtra.co.nz 957498818 203.96.152.26 (Fri, 05 May 2000 15:53:38 NZST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 05 May 2000 15:53:38 NZST Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!News.Amsterdam.UnisourceCS!skynet.be!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!enews.sgi.com!news.xtra.co.nz!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:55416 Ian Stirling wrote: > > > I had a bored moment. > > [...] > > geri trev I always thought that Spice Girl Geri Halliwell was a bloke in drag. Nice of him to give us a clue... --b ###### From: ab528@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Heinz W. Wiggeshoff) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: New retronym spotted! Furrfu. (possibly offensive) [R] Date: 5 May 2000 04:06:43 GMT Organization: The National Capital FreeNet Lines: 8 Message-ID: <8ethcj$cjd$1@freenet9.carleton.ca> References: <3911c44b$1$8250$3c090ad1@news.plethora.net> <957491317.23645.0.nnrp-09.9e98d142@news.demon.co.uk> <391245C2.47253B1F@boutel.co.nz> Reply-To: ab528@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Heinz W. Wiggeshoff) NNTP-Posting-Host: freenet10 X-Trace: freenet9.carleton.ca 957499603 12909 134.117.136.30 (5 May 2000 04:06:43 GMT) X-Complaints-To: complaints@ncf.ca NNTP-Posting-Date: 5 May 2000 04:06:43 GMT X-Given-Sender: ab528@freenet10.carleton.ca (Heinz W. Wiggeshoff) Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news-fra1.dfn.de!news-lei1.dfn.de!news-was.dfn.de!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp.frontiernet.net!nntp.gctr.net!xcski.com!freenet-news!FreeNet.Carleton.CA!ab528 Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:55470 Brian Boutel (brian@boutel.co.nz) writes: > > I always thought that Spice Girl Geri Halliwell was a bloke in drag. So who was that gal in Penthouse a few months ago? (Of course, I only read the articles, but in this case, I couldn't help wondering if her picture was a refined version of the card deck that was run to the 1403 printer at Queen's U. in '68.) ###### Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers From: ehrice@his.com (Edward Rice) Subject: Re: New retronym spotted! Furrfu. (possibly offensive) [R] Message-ID: Organization: NDS Date: Fri, 05 May 2000 02:52:59 -0400 References: <3911c44b$1$8250$3c090ad1@news.plethora.net> <957491317.23645.0.nnrp-09.9e98d142@news.demon.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: pm9-169.his.com X-Trace: 5 May 2000 02:52:50 -0400, pm9-169.his.com Lines: 15 X-Authenticated-User: ehrice Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news.datacomm.ch!newscore.gigabell.net!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!skynet.be!triton.skycache.com!192.168.1.3!news1.his.com!user Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:55479 In article <957491317.23645.0.nnrp-09.9e98d142@news.demon.co.uk>, Ian Stirling wrote: > I had a bored moment. > > elna ryan > ... By an odd circumstance of synchronicity, I was playing games this past evening. Someone else had come up with "Junqqn Sevpxvat Chgm" , which happened to have a useful set of initials, and I came up with one that opened up to equally recognizable initials with a bit more: "Zephyr Labgyns". N arj neg sbez! ehr ###### From: jmfbahciv@aol.com Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: New retronym spotted! Furrfu. (possibly offensive) [R] Date: Sat, 06 May 00 09:25:14 GMT Organization: UltraNet Communications, Inc. Lines: 23 Message-ID: <8f121l$kkg$12@bob.news.rcn.net> References: <3911c44b$1$8250$3c090ad1@news.plethora.net> <8eui51$n46$6@bob.news.rcn.net> X-Trace: PUeaHXzuqdC/5phOKd0llUhOiQM5oIav9Ng2Lhbm4Pk= X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 6 May 2000 12:09:25 GMT X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #4 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news.datacomm.ch!newscore.gigabell.net!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!diablo.theplanet.net!europa.netcrusader.net!207.172.3.37!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!207-172-102-112 Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:55518 In article <8eui51$n46$6@bob.news.rcn.net>, jmfbahciv@aol.com wrote: >In article <3911c44b$1$8250$3c090ad1@news.plethora.net>, > seebs@plethora.net (Peter Seebach) wrote: >>So, someone on a mailing list I'm on hadn't seen Furrfu before, and >suggested >>the retronym "Shpxrq hc. Ernyyl, ernyyl, shpxrq hc". >> >>If you don't know how I encoded that, you don't know what >>furrfu is and this won't be interesting to you. ;) > >I don't know how you encoded anything, but I liked the >sound of the word furrfu. The picture that came to my >mind was a cat having a hissy fit on a bad hair day. Somebody sent me some mail, thank you, explaining your methods (I had already figured the method out by the context of the posts). Now, what I want to is....do you do the rots in your head? /BAH Subtract a hundred and four for e-mail. ###### X-Posting-Agent: Hamster/1.3.17.0 From: Nick Spalding Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: New retronym spotted! Furrfu. (possibly offensive) [R] Reply-To: spalding@iol.ie Message-ID: References: <3911c44b$1$8250$3c090ad1@news.plethora.net> <8eui51$n46$6@bob.news.rcn.net> <8f121l$kkg$12@bob.news.rcn.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 13 Date: Sat, 06 May 2000 14:53:51 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 193.203.144.172 X-Complaints-To: abuse@iol.ie X-Trace: news.iol.ie 957624831 193.203.144.172 (Sat, 06 May 2000 15:53:51 BST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 06 May 2000 15:53:51 BST Organization: Ireland On-Line Customer Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news.datacomm.ch!newscore.gigabell.net!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!newsfeed.gamma.ru!Gamma.RU!news-lond.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!iol.ie!news.iol.ie!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:55488 jmfbahciv@aol.com wrote: > Somebody sent me some mail, thank you, explaining your > methods (I had already figured the method out by the context of > the posts). > > Now, what I want to is....do you do the rots in your head? No. Using Agent I simply highlight the relevant text and press Ctrl-3. Have a trawl through the News Express help file - you may find it there too. -- Nick Spalding ###### From: jmfbahciv@aol.com Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: New retronym spotted! Furrfu. (possibly offensive) [R] Date: Sun, 07 May 00 10:52:50 GMT Organization: UltraNet Communications, Inc. Lines: 21 Message-ID: <8f3ri6$88l$5@bob.news.rcn.net> References: <3911c44b$1$8250$3c090ad1@news.plethora.net> <8eui51$n46$6@bob.news.rcn.net> <8f121l$kkg$12@bob.news.rcn.net> X-Trace: Zv8cJnLXEGB4gJx5a510RoIwuA9VOgoGYu4uIVK9fJI= X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 7 May 2000 13:37:10 GMT X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #4 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newscore.univie.ac.at!194.25.134.126.MISMATCH!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!diablo.theplanet.net!europa.netcrusader.net!207.172.3.37!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!216-164-247-156 Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:55564 In article , ehrice@his.com (Edward Rice) wrote: >In article <8f121l$kkg$12@bob.news.rcn.net>, >jmfbahciv@aol.com wrote: > > > Now, what I want to is....do you do the rots in your head? > >Take the rest of the weekend off and program it, Barbara. It's a lot >easier than it sounds. > > -- E "gd&r" R Whap! Oh, no. I'm not going to fall into that trap again. I found myself getting the programming itch just yesterday and promptly applied calamine lotion. Whew! /BAH Subtract a hundred and four for e-mail. ###### From: jmfbahciv@aol.com Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: New retronym spotted! Furrfu. (possibly offensive) [R] Date: Sun, 07 May 00 10:57:21 GMT Organization: UltraNet Communications, Inc. Lines: 26 Message-ID: <8f3rql$88l$6@bob.news.rcn.net> References: <3911c44b$1$8250$3c090ad1@news.plethora.net> <8eui51$n46$6@bob.news.rcn.net> <8f121l$kkg$12@bob.news.rcn.net> X-Trace: PDc4Ks5zNfNGVc1tfB2onTOG/PK3KldqVAdOIN7zO4g= X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 7 May 2000 13:41:41 GMT X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #4 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!isdnet!netnews.com!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!216-164-247-156 Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:55569 In article , Nick Spalding wrote: >jmfbahciv@aol.com wrote: > >> Somebody sent me some mail, thank you, explaining your >> methods (I had already figured the method out by the context of >> the posts). >> >> Now, what I want to is....do you do the rots in your head? > >No. Using Agent I simply highlight the relevant text and press Ctrl-3. Wow! I hadn't realized that -3 was a character! Now I wonder what the -10 would have done with that. >Have a trawl through the News Express help file - you >may find it there too. I vaguely remember the last time I tried to get help from one of these critters I run. [cringing emoticon exhibiting Pavlovian behaviour]. :-))) /BAH Subtract a hundred and four for e-mail. ###### Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers From: ehrice@his.com (Edward Rice) Subject: Re: New retronym spotted! Furrfu. (possibly offensive) [R] Message-ID: Organization: NDS Date: Sun, 07 May 2000 02:23:46 -0400 References: <3911c44b$1$8250$3c090ad1@news.plethora.net> <8eui51$n46$6@bob.news.rcn.net> <8f121l$kkg$12@bob.news.rcn.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: pm9-186.his.com X-Trace: 7 May 2000 02:23:45 -0400, pm9-186.his.com Lines: 11 X-Authenticated-User: ehrice Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newscore.univie.ac.at!194.25.134.126.MISMATCH!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!diablo.theplanet.net!triton.skycache.com!192.168.1.3!news1.his.com!user Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:55589 In article <8f121l$kkg$12@bob.news.rcn.net>, jmfbahciv@aol.com wrote: > Now, what I want to is....do you do the rots in your head? Take the rest of the weekend off and program it, Barbara. It's a lot easier than it sounds. -- E "gd&r" R ###### From: viro@steklov.math.psu.edu (Alexander Viro) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: New retronym spotted! Furrfu. (possibly offensive) [R] Date: 7 May 2000 10:35:04 -0400 Organization: -ENOENT Lines: 22 Message-ID: <8f3uuo$rek@steklov.math.psu.edu> References: <3911c44b$1$8250$3c090ad1@news.plethora.net> <8eui51$n46$6@bob.news.rcn.net> <8f121l$kkg$12@bob.news.rcn.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: steklov.math.psu.edu Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!enews.sgi.com!paloalto-snf1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!newsfeed.stanford.edu!news.ems.psu.edu!news3.cac.psu.edu!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:55578 In article <8f121l$kkg$12@bob.news.rcn.net>, wrote: >Somebody sent me some mail, thank you, explaining your >methods (I had already figured the method out by the context of >the posts). > >Now, what I want to is....do you do the rots in your head? map!  tr A-Za-z N-ZA-Mn-za-m in .exrc and !! is your friend (rot-13 the current line), ditto for !}, !G, etc. (to the end of paragraph, EOF, yodda, yodda). Trick being: tr takes the input, does the substitution and outputs the result. And ! takes lines up to the place where would get you, feeds them to and replaces them with the output. !! is a shortcut for !j (one line down),  in map! argument escapes the  (). BTW, how would it look in TECOese? -- "You're one of those condescending Unix computer users!" "Here's a nickel, kid. Get yourself a better computer" - Dilbert. ###### Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: New retronym spotted! Furrfu. (possibly offensive) [R] References: <3911c44b$1$8250$3c090ad1@news.plethora.net> <8f121l$kkg$12@bob.news.rcn.net> <8f3rql$88l$6@bob.news.rcn.net> Organization: Daedalus Consulting X-Newsreader: trn 4.0-test72 (19 April 1999) From: don@news.daedalus.co.nz (Don Stokes) Message-ID: <957713340.599862@shelley.paradise.net.nz> Cache-Post-Path: shelley.paradise.net.nz!unknown@203-96-144-16.cable.paradise.net.nz X-Cache: nntpcache 2.4.0b2 (see http://www.nntpcache.org/) Lines: 11 Date: Sun, 07 May 2000 15:29:16 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 203.96.152.26 X-Complaints-To: newsadmin@xtra.co.nz X-Trace: news.xtra.co.nz 957713356 203.96.152.26 (Mon, 08 May 2000 03:29:16 NZST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 08 May 2000 03:29:16 NZST Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!enews.sgi.com!news.xtra.co.nz!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:55586 In article <8f3rql$88l$6@bob.news.rcn.net>, wrote: >>No. Using Agent I simply highlight the relevant text and press Ctrl-3. > >Wow! I hadn't realized that -3 was a character! >Now I wonder what the -10 would have done with that. On most terminals I've used (including the Gnome Terminal on the Linux box I'm currently typing this on (not my home box)), Ctrl/3 produces ESC, like Ctrl/[. -- don ###### Message-ID: <39166248.9520E026@netinsight.se> From: Johnny Billquist Organization: Netinsight AB X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.14 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: New retronym spotted! Furrfu. (possibly offensive) [R] References: <3911c44b$1$8250$3c090ad1@news.plethora.net> <8f121l$kkg$12@bob.news.rcn.net> <8f3rql$88l$6@bob.news.rcn.net> <957713340.599862@shelley.paradise.net.nz> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Lines: 17 Date: Mon, 08 May 2000 06:44:24 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.16.221.33 X-Complaints-To: abuse@telia.com X-Trace: newsc.telia.net 957768264 194.16.221.33 (Mon, 08 May 2000 08:44:24 MET DST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 08 May 2000 08:44:24 MET DST Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newscore.univie.ac.at!uninett.no!news.ost.eltele.no!newsfeed1.telia.no!masternews.telia.net!newsc.telia.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:55610 Don Stokes wrote: > > On most terminals I've used (including the Gnome Terminal on the Linux > box I'm currently typing this on (not my home box)), Ctrl/3 produces > ESC, like Ctrl/[. By the simple algorithm CTRL-n (n = 0-7) gives you the character 3n (octal). :-) Johnny -- Johnny Billquist | johnny.billquist@netinsight.net Net Insight AB | phone: +46 8 685 04 88 Västberga Allé 9 | fax: +46 8 685 04 20 Box 42093 | SE-126 30 STOCKHOLM, Sweden | http://www.netinsight.net ###### From: dpeschel@eskimo.com (Derek Peschel) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: New retronym spotted! Furrfu. (possibly offensive) [R] Date: 8 May 2000 06:50:20 GMT Organization: Eskimo North (206) For-Ever Lines: 20 Message-ID: References: <3911c44b$1$8250$3c090ad1@news.plethora.net> <8f121l$kkg$12@bob.news.rcn.net> <8f3rql$88l$6@bob.news.rcn.net> <957713340.599862@shelley.paradise.net.nz> NNTP-Posting-Host: eskimo.com X-Trace: eskinews.eskimo.com 957768620 27978 204.122.16.13 (8 May 2000 06:50:20 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@eskimo.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 8 May 2000 06:50:20 GMT User-Agent: slrn/0.9.5.7 (UNIX) Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!isdnet!howland.erols.net!pants.skycache.com.MISMATCH!triton.skycache.com!204.122.16.44!news.eskimo.com!eskimo.com!dpeschel Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:55646 In article <957713340.599862@shelley.paradise.net.nz>, Don Stokes wrote: >In article <8f3rql$88l$6@bob.news.rcn.net>, wrote: >>>No. Using Agent I simply highlight the relevant text and press Ctrl-3. >> >>Wow! I hadn't realized that -3 was a character! >>Now I wonder what the -10 would have done with that. > >On most terminals I've used (including the Gnome Terminal on the Linux >box I'm currently typing this on (not my home box)), Ctrl/3 produces >ESC, like Ctrl/[. I suspect the terminals you've used were inspired by the VT series terminals, which had a number of shortcuts like that. They still produce the same old 128 ASCII characters, of course. Of course if you have a special MIT or SAIL terminal, plus the right version of TECO (or EMACS), then Control-3 _is_ a character of its own. So is Control-a (not the same as Control-A). -- Derek ###### From: simotit@evitech.fi (Simo Tuominen) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: New retronym spotted! Furrfu. (possibly offensive) [R] Date: Tue, 09 May 2000 13:13:48 GMT Organization: Espoo-Vantaa Institute of Technology Lines: 19 Message-ID: <3916ace0.9659925@localhost> References: <3911c44b$1$8250$3c090ad1@news.plethora.net> <8eui51$n46$6@bob.news.rcn.net> <8f121l$kkg$12@bob.news.rcn.net> <8f3rql$88l$6@bob.news.rcn.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: aqua00.edu2.evitech.fi Cancel-Lock: sha1:9Sw1qxQzovWydODRKWAdmiwjKnM= X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 X-NFilter: 1.2.0 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newscore.univie.ac.at!194.25.134.126.MISMATCH!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!diablo.theplanet.net!newsfeed.icl.net!news.algonet.se!algonet!news-peer-europe.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!newsfeed.bahnhof.se!news.defero.net!news.bbnetworks.net!learnet.freenet.hut.fi!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:55661 On Sun, 07 May 00 10:57:21 GMT, jmfbahciv@aol.com wrote: >In article , > Nick Spalding wrote: >>jmfbahciv@aol.com wrote: >> >>> Somebody sent me some mail, thank you, explaining your >>> methods (I had already figured the method out by the context of >>> the posts). >>> >>> Now, what I want to is....do you do the rots in your head? >> >>No. Using Agent I simply highlight the relevant text and press Ctrl-3. > >Wow! I hadn't realized that -3 was a character! I don't know what version he uses, but here ebg-13 is intuitively CTRL-R. Anyhow, -3 not being a character is absolutely irrelevant. ###### From: jmfbahciv@aol.com Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: New retronym spotted! Furrfu. (possibly offensive) [R] Date: Wed, 10 May 00 10:24:46 GMT Organization: UltraNet Communications, Inc. Lines: 26 Message-ID: <8fbn2f$djv$2@bob.news.rcn.net> References: <3911c44b$1$8250$3c090ad1@news.plethora.net> <8eui51$n46$6@bob.news.rcn.net> <8f121l$kkg$12@bob.news.rcn.net> <8f3rql$88l$6@bob.news.rcn.net> X-Trace: z2rZ1vYZ6bcooWEYgcyWhaAJLVdeoGi7b7V8SinIB3k= X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 10 May 2000 13:09:35 GMT X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #4 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newscore.univie.ac.at!194.25.134.126.MISMATCH!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!newsfeed.wirehub.nl!newspeer1.nac.net!netnews.com!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!207-172-102-105 Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:55794 In article , greg@apple2.com wrote: >In article <8f3rql$88l$6@bob.news.rcn.net>, >jmfbahciv@aol.com wrote: > >>> No. Using Agent I simply highlight the relevant text and press >>> Ctrl-3. > >> Wow! I hadn't realized that -3 was a character! > >You're confusing control as a character modifier with control being used >as a command-key sequence. > Are you trying to tell me that -3 indicates the two keys get punched simultaneously and that ctrl-3 indicates that the two keys are punched one after the other? That's stupid. The reason the angle brackets encased the "ctrl" was to indicate that it was one word, more specifically, one key. The dash indicated that both keys were depressed at the same time. None of these conventions were fool-proof. We never did figure out one of those documentary mechanisms. /BAH Subtract a hundred and four for e-mail. ###### From: jmfbahciv@aol.com Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: New retronym spotted! Furrfu. (possibly offensive) [R] Date: Wed, 10 May 00 09:02:47 GMT Organization: UltraNet Communications, Inc. Lines: 17 Message-ID: <8fbi8p$ett$3@bob.news.rcn.net> References: <3911c44b$1$8250$3c090ad1@news.plethora.net> <8eui51$n46$6@bob.news.rcn.net> <8f121l$kkg$12@bob.news.rcn.net> <8f3uuo$rek@steklov.math.psu.edu> X-Trace: GNc6fMXZT+xOy+LYgxs5MMvWh0nXJITfNHH1B6SyqdA= X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 10 May 2000 11:47:37 GMT X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #4 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!207-172-97-191 Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:55799 In article , slavins@hearsay.demon.co.uk@localhost (Simon Slavin) wrote: >In article <8f3uuo$rek@steklov.math.psu.edu>, >viro@steklov.math.psu.edu (Alexander Viro) wrote: > >> BTW, how would it look in TECOese? > >ROT-13 would be trivial in TECO. In fact, check out the original >source for EMACs -- it's almost certainly in there. I don't have a TECO manual. I also have no idea how to it in TECO. I was a whiz at editing with TECO, not programming with it. /BAH Subtract a hundred and four for e-mail. ###### From: greg@apple2.com Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: New retronym spotted! Furrfu. (possibly offensive) [R] Organization: II Infinitum References: <3911c44b$1$8250$3c090ad1@news.plethora.net> <8eui51$n46$6@bob.news.rcn.net> <8f121l$kkg$12@bob.news.rcn.net> <8f3rql$88l$6@bob.news.rcn.net> User-Agent: MT-NewsWatcher/3.0 (PPC) X-Face: &@UA7$)=n9C7!qu%-5s},3tR@NEy+B>8PW"^,8?A>%."0{J2c1Yr]NKw';5/( J\r@/{UADjCdE~iRnOEOfbre(/1Y=$TS3Wt7B`a4sz, Lines: 16 NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 09 May 2000 14:15:01 CDT X-Trace: sv2-TyYzKkziTq7CoSjSF80JhzCzSTiQ0m//7YT2OtpM2eAROgt5Md9wpYMnyN3cGBj4SK/xczKUQz6fXiC!rLWGZHkuFfokYfIjt9dgj+/6kA== X-Complaints-To: abuse@GigaNews.Com X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly Date: Tue, 09 May 2000 14:15:14 -0500 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!News.Amsterdam.UnisourceCS!newspeer.te.net!news.indigo.ie!diablo.theplanet.net!europa.netcrusader.net!207.172.3.37!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!nntp.giganews.com!nntp3.giganews.com!news5.giganews.com.POSTED!greg Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:55836 In article <8f3rql$88l$6@bob.news.rcn.net>, jmfbahciv@aol.com wrote: >> No. Using Agent I simply highlight the relevant text and press >> Ctrl-3. > Wow! I hadn't realized that -3 was a character! You're confusing control as a character modifier with control being used as a command-key sequence. -- -- --- -- -- -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ -- -- --- --- ###### From: slavins@hearsay.demon.co.uk@localhost (Simon Slavin) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: New retronym spotted! Furrfu. (possibly offensive) [R] Date: Tue, 09 May 2000 23:49:23 +0100 Organization: None Message-ID: References: <3911c44b$1$8250$3c090ad1@news.plethora.net> <8eui51$n46$6@bob.news.rcn.net> <8f121l$kkg$12@bob.news.rcn.net> <8f3uuo$rek@steklov.math.psu.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: hearsay.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: hearsay.demon.co.uk:194.222.24.177 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 957912572 nnrp-04:1774 NO-IDENT hearsay.demon.co.uk:194.222.24.177 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net Lines: 13 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!News.Amsterdam.UnisourceCS!skynet.be!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!hearsay.demon.co.uk!user Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:55852 In article <8f3uuo$rek@steklov.math.psu.edu>, viro@steklov.math.psu.edu (Alexander Viro) wrote: > BTW, how would it look in TECOese? ROT-13 would be trivial in TECO. In fact, check out the original source for EMACs -- it's almost certainly in there. Simon. -- http://www.hearsay.demon.co.uk | _Microsoft_ is going to write the software No junk email please. | that spies on me? I feel better already. | -- John D. Goulden ###### Message-ID: <3918F59A.1DF0EACB@netinsight.se> From: Johnny Billquist Organization: Netinsight AB X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.14 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: New retronym spotted! Furrfu. (possibly offensive) [R] References: <3911c44b$1$8250$3c090ad1@news.plethora.net> <8eui51$n46$6@bob.news.rcn.net> <8f121l$kkg$12@bob.news.rcn.net> <8f3uuo$rek@steklov.math.psu.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Lines: 24 Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 05:37:30 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.16.221.33 X-Complaints-To: abuse@telia.com X-Trace: newsc.telia.net 957937050 194.16.221.33 (Wed, 10 May 2000 07:37:30 MET DST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 07:37:30 MET DST Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newscore.univie.ac.at!uninett.no!newsfeed1.telia.no!masternews.telia.net!newsc.telia.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:55786 Simon Slavin wrote: > > In article <8f3uuo$rek@steklov.math.psu.edu>, > viro@steklov.math.psu.edu (Alexander Viro) wrote: > > > BTW, how would it look in TECOese? > > ROT-13 would be trivial in TECO. In fact, check out the original > source for EMACs -- it's almost certainly in there. Why would EMACS have ROT13? Btw, I was planning on writing up a ROT13 in TECO, but I forgot about it again. I should dig up my TECO manual. There are one or two things I'll have to check up before writing... Johnny -- Johnny Billquist | johnny.billquist@netinsight.net Net Insight AB | phone: +46 8 685 04 88 Västberga Allé 9 | fax: +46 8 685 04 20 Box 42093 | SE-126 30 STOCKHOLM, Sweden | http://www.netinsight.net ###### From: dhansen@cyberoptics.com (Dave Hansen) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: New retronym spotted! Furrfu. (possibly offensive) [R] Organization: CyberOptics Corporation Reply-To: dhansen@cyberoptics.com Message-ID: <39196303.433248969@client.ce.news.psi.net> References: <3911c44b$1$8250$3c090ad1@news.plethora.net> <8eui51$n46$6@bob.news.rcn.net> <8f121l$kkg$12@bob.news.rcn.net> <8f3uuo$rek@steklov.math.psu.edu> <3918F59A.1DF0EACB@netinsight.se> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Lines: 17 Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 13:26:55 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 38.196.94.40 X-Trace: client 957965229 38.196.94.40 (Wed, 10 May 2000 09:27:09 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 09:27:09 EDT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!howland.erols.net!peerfeed.news.psi.net!psinr!client!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:55837 On Wed, 10 May 2000 05:37:30 GMT, Johnny Billquist wrote: [...] >Why would EMACS have ROT13? Because there's no reason for it not to. C-h a rot13 lists toggle-rot13-mode and rot13-other-window. Regards, -=Dave -- The opinions expressed in this post are my own and do not represent the views of CyberOptics Corporation. Change is inevitable. Except from a vending machine. ###### Message-ID: <39196583.BF7D34E6@netinsight.se> From: Johnny Billquist Organization: Netinsight AB X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.14 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: New retronym spotted! Furrfu. (possibly offensive) [R] References: <3911c44b$1$8250$3c090ad1@news.plethora.net> <8eui51$n46$6@bob.news.rcn.net> <8f121l$kkg$12@bob.news.rcn.net> <8f3uuo$rek@steklov.math.psu.edu> <3918F59A.1DF0EACB@netinsight.se> <39196303.433248969@client.ce.news.psi.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Lines: 22 Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 13:35:00 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.16.221.33 X-Complaints-To: abuse@telia.com X-Trace: newsc.telia.net 957965700 194.16.221.33 (Wed, 10 May 2000 15:35:00 MET DST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 15:35:00 MET DST Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newscore.univie.ac.at!uninett.no!newsfeed1.telia.no!masternews.telia.net!newsc.telia.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:55783 Dave Hansen wrote: > > On Wed, 10 May 2000 05:37:30 GMT, Johnny Billquist > wrote: > > [...] > >Why would EMACS have ROT13? > > Because there's no reason for it not to. > > C-h a rot13 lists toggle-rot13-mode and rot13-other-window. Um. EMACS != GNU-EMACS... Johnny -- Johnny Billquist | johnny.billquist@netinsight.net Net Insight AB | phone: +46 8 685 04 88 Västberga Allé 9 | fax: +46 8 685 04 20 Box 42093 | SE-126 30 STOCKHOLM, Sweden | http://www.netinsight.net ###### From: greg@apple2.com Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: New retronym spotted! Furrfu. (possibly offensive) [R] Organization: II Infinitum References: <3911c44b$1$8250$3c090ad1@news.plethora.net> <8eui51$n46$6@bob.news.rcn.net> <8f121l$kkg$12@bob.news.rcn.net> <8f3rql$88l$6@bob.news.rcn.net> <8fbn2f$djv$2@bob.news.rcn.net> User-Agent: MT-NewsWatcher/3.0 (PPC) X-Face: &@UA7$)=n9C7!qu%-5s},3tR@NEy+B>8PW"^,8?A>%."0{J2c1Yr]NKw';5/( J\r@/{UADjCdE~iRnOEOfbre(/1Y=$TS3Wt7B`a4sz, Lines: 28 NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 09:40:26 CDT X-Trace: sv2-2bsLoUvLOd4g/FQVQryRRYGmcRyYGW8XXeVqq8mfli8NQCwevzmQYwKcZeRLdxaFXuikTvr4T3zBM/O!5lD4cpqvvebQQKC2DHJwAhBMbQ== X-Complaints-To: abuse@GigaNews.Com X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 09:40:40 -0500 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!nntp.giganews.com!nntp3.giganews.com!news5.giganews.com.POSTED!greg Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:55838 In article <8fbn2f$djv$2@bob.news.rcn.net>, jmfbahciv@aol.com wrote: >greg@apple2.com wrote: >>jmfbahciv@aol.com wrote: >>>Nick Spalding wrote: >>>> No. Using Agent I simply highlight the relevant text and press >>>> Ctrl-3. >>> Wow! I hadn't realized that -3 was a character! >> You're confusing control as a character modifier with control being >> used as a command-key sequence. > Are you trying to tell me that -3 indicates the two keys get > punched simultaneously and that ctrl-3 indicates that the two keys > are punched one after the other? That's stupid. Where are you pulling that from? The punctuation around "ctrl" is irrelevant to the fact that Nick was talking about a command and you've confused it with typing a character reference. Simultaneity doesn't enter into it. -- -- --- -- -- -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ -- -- --- --- ###### X-Posting-Agent: Hamster/1.3.18.0 From: Nick Spalding Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: New retronym spotted! Furrfu. (possibly offensive) [R] Reply-To: spalding@iol.ie Message-ID: References: <3911c44b$1$8250$3c090ad1@news.plethora.net> <8eui51$n46$6@bob.news.rcn.net> <8f121l$kkg$12@bob.news.rcn.net> <8f3rql$88l$6@bob.news.rcn.net> <8fbn2f$djv$2@bob.news.rcn.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 15 Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 15:03:13 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 193.203.147.185 X-Complaints-To: abuse@iol.ie X-Trace: news.iol.ie 957970993 193.203.147.185 (Wed, 10 May 2000 16:03:13 BST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 16:03:13 BST Organization: Ireland On-Line Customer Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!News.Amsterdam.UnisourceCS!skynet.be!newsfeed.icl.net!iol.ie!news.iol.ie!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:55863 jmfbahciv@aol.com wrote: > Are you trying to tell me that -3 indicates the two keys > get punched simultaneously and that ctrl-3 indicates that > the two keys are punched one after the other? That's stupid. > > The reason the angle brackets encased the "ctrl" was to > indicate that it was one word, more specifically, one key. > The dash indicated that both keys were depressed at the > same time. None of these conventions were fool-proof. > We never did figure out one of those documentary mechanisms. Both together was what I meant. -- Nick Spalding ###### From: jmfbahciv@aol.com Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: New retronym spotted! Furrfu. (possibly offensive) [R] Date: Thu, 11 May 00 09:12:40 GMT Organization: UltraNet Communications, Inc. Lines: 28 Message-ID: <8fe77h$924$9@bob.news.rcn.net> References: <3911c44b$1$8250$3c090ad1@news.plethora.net> <8eui51$n46$6@bob.news.rcn.net> <8f121l$kkg$12@bob.news.rcn.net> <8f3uuo$rek@steklov.math.psu.edu> <3918F59A.1DF0EACB@netinsight.se> <3919F2C7.1A8ADA33@dallas.net> <391A7B66.4424B124@netinsight.se> <391A91D7.1E781FBC@netinsight.se> X-Trace: l8CNzy/D/DEDZk48RE2g91qSiwh5m6us6yUZNCtMn4M= X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 11 May 2000 11:57:37 GMT X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #4 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!207-172-102-91 Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:55885 In article <391A91D7.1E781FBC@netinsight.se>, Johnny Billquist wrote: >Johnny Billquist wrote: >> >> <0A"L;'0A"A0A-79"L0A+13ID|0A-13ID'C>$$ >> >> If you run this on TECO-11 you can replace the first conditional with >> <0A:;0A"A0A-79"L0A+13ID|0A-13ID'C>$$ >> >> Spray with $ if you feel unsafe. >> >> Now, isn't TECO wonderful? Jeez. You've used characters I've never typed :-). > >Argh. And here's the bugfix if you tried running it: > ><0A"L;'0A"A0A-79"L0A+13ID|0A-13ID''C>$$ It's very nice to know that TECO hasn't changed a bit. TW always erupted with those Arggh words when he was writing one. /BAH Subtract a hundred and four for e-mail. ###### From: Charles Richmond Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: New retronym spotted! Furrfu. (possibly offensive) [R] Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 16:37:43 -0700 Organization: Cannine Computer Center Lines: 29 Message-ID: <3919F2C7.1A8ADA33@dallas.net> References: <3911c44b$1$8250$3c090ad1@news.plethora.net> <8eui51$n46$6@bob.news.rcn.net> <8f121l$kkg$12@bob.news.rcn.net> <8f3uuo$rek@steklov.math.psu.edu> <3918F59A.1DF0EACB@netinsight.se> Reply-To: richmond@dallas.net X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newscore.univie.ac.at!194.25.134.126.MISMATCH!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!diablo.theplanet.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!feeder.qis.net!sn-xit-01!supernews.com!sn-inject-01!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:55870 Johnny Billquist wrote: > > Simon Slavin wrote: > > > > In article <8f3uuo$rek@steklov.math.psu.edu>, > > viro@steklov.math.psu.edu (Alexander Viro) wrote: > > > > > BTW, how would it look in TECOese? > > > > ROT-13 would be trivial in TECO. In fact, check out the original > > source for EMACs -- it's almost certainly in there. > > Why would EMACS have ROT13? > > Btw, I was planning on writing up a ROT13 in TECO, but I forgot about > it again. I should dig up my TECO manual. There are one or two things > I'll have to check up before writing... > You can probably download the TECO manual faster than you can find yours. So go get another copy at: ftp://sunsite.unc.edu/pub/academic/computer-science/history/pdp-11/teco/doc/teco.doc (No, this is *not* an MS word file.) -- +-------------------------------------------------------------+ | Charles and Francis Richmond | +-------------------------------------------------------------+ ###### From: Juergen Nickelsen Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: New retronym spotted! Furrfu. (possibly offensive) [R] Date: 11 May 2000 08:36:12 +0200 Organization: [Posted via] Interactive Networx Lines: 30 Sender: ni@goting.jn.berlin.snafu.de Message-ID: References: <3911c44b$1$8250$3c090ad1@news.plethora.net> <8eui51$n46$6@bob.news.rcn.net> <8f121l$kkg$12@bob.news.rcn.net> <8f3uuo$rek@steklov.math.psu.edu> <3918F59A.1DF0EACB@netinsight.se> <39196303.433248969@client.ce.news.psi.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: ip152.berlin68.pub-ip.de.psi.net X-Newsreader: Gnus v5.6.45/XEmacs 21.1 - "Canyonlands" Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!isdnet!unlisys!news.snafu.de!goting.jn.berlin.snafu.de!nobody Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:55925 dhansen@cyberoptics.com (Dave Hansen) writes: > On Wed, 10 May 2000 05:37:30 GMT, Johnny Billquist > wrote: > > [...] > >Why would EMACS have ROT13? > > Because there's no reason for it not to. > > C-h a rot13 lists toggle-rot13-mode and rot13-other-window. There's even more to it: gnus-summary-caesar-message Command: Caesar rotate the current article by 13. Variable: (not documented) message-caesar-buffer-body Command: Caesar rotates all letters in the current buffer by 13 places. message-caesar-region Command: Caesar rotation of region by N, default 13, for decrypting netnews. message-caesar-translation-table Variable: (not documented) message-make-caesar-translation-table Function: Create a rot table with offset N. message-xmas-make-caesar-translation-table Function: Create a rot table with offset N. -- Juergen Nickelsen ###### Message-ID: <391A7B66.4424B124@netinsight.se> From: Johnny Billquist Organization: Netinsight AB X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.14 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: New retronym spotted! Furrfu. (possibly offensive) [R] References: <3911c44b$1$8250$3c090ad1@news.plethora.net> <8eui51$n46$6@bob.news.rcn.net> <8f121l$kkg$12@bob.news.rcn.net> <8f3uuo$rek@steklov.math.psu.edu> <3918F59A.1DF0EACB@netinsight.se> <3919F2C7.1A8ADA33@dallas.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Lines: 45 Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 09:20:42 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.16.221.33 X-Complaints-To: abuse@telia.com X-Trace: newsc.telia.net 958036842 194.16.221.33 (Thu, 11 May 2000 11:20:42 MET DST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 11:20:42 MET DST Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!isdnet!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.icl.net!news.algonet.se!algonet!uninett.no!news.ost.eltele.no!newsfeed1.telia.no!masternews.telia.net!newsc.telia.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:55881 Charles Richmond wrote: > > Johnny Billquist wrote: > > > > Simon Slavin wrote: > > > > > > In article <8f3uuo$rek@steklov.math.psu.edu>, > > > viro@steklov.math.psu.edu (Alexander Viro) wrote: > > > > > > > BTW, how would it look in TECOese? > > > > > > ROT-13 would be trivial in TECO. In fact, check out the original > > > source for EMACs -- it's almost certainly in there. > > > > Why would EMACS have ROT13? > > > > Btw, I was planning on writing up a ROT13 in TECO, but I forgot about > > it again. I should dig up my TECO manual. There are one or two things > > I'll have to check up before writing... > > > You can probably download the TECO manual faster than you can find > yours. So go get another copy at: > > ftp://sunsite.unc.edu/pub/academic/computer-science/history/pdp-11/teco/doc/teco.doc Ah. Thanks. Now, this should do it... <0A"L;'0A"A0A-79"L0A+13ID|0A-13ID'C>$$ If you run this on TECO-11 you can replace the first conditional with <0A:;0A"A0A-79"L0A+13ID|0A-13ID'C>$$ Spray with $ if you feel unsafe. Now, isn't TECO wonderful? Johnny -- Johnny Billquist | johnny.billquist@netinsight.net Net Insight AB | phone: +46 8 685 04 88 Västberga Allé 9 | fax: +46 8 685 04 20 Box 42093 | SE-126 30 STOCKHOLM, Sweden | http://www.netinsight.net ###### Message-ID: <391A91D7.1E781FBC@netinsight.se> From: Johnny Billquist Organization: Netinsight AB X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.14 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: New retronym spotted! Furrfu. (possibly offensive) [R] References: <3911c44b$1$8250$3c090ad1@news.plethora.net> <8eui51$n46$6@bob.news.rcn.net> <8f121l$kkg$12@bob.news.rcn.net> <8f3uuo$rek@steklov.math.psu.edu> <3918F59A.1DF0EACB@netinsight.se> <3919F2C7.1A8ADA33@dallas.net> <391A7B66.4424B124@netinsight.se> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Lines: 23 Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 10:56:24 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.16.221.33 X-Complaints-To: abuse@telia.com X-Trace: newsc.telia.net 958042584 194.16.221.33 (Thu, 11 May 2000 12:56:24 MET DST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 12:56:24 MET DST Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!isdnet!newsfeed.icl.net!news.algonet.se!algonet!uninett.no!newsfeed1.telia.no!masternews.telia.net!newsc.telia.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:55889 Johnny Billquist wrote: > > <0A"L;'0A"A0A-79"L0A+13ID|0A-13ID'C>$$ > > If you run this on TECO-11 you can replace the first conditional with > <0A:;0A"A0A-79"L0A+13ID|0A-13ID'C>$$ > > Spray with $ if you feel unsafe. > > Now, isn't TECO wonderful? Argh. And here's the bugfix if you tried running it: <0A"L;'0A"A0A-79"L0A+13ID|0A-13ID''C>$$ Johnny -- Johnny Billquist | johnny.billquist@netinsight.net Net Insight AB | phone: +46 8 685 04 88 Västberga Allé 9 | fax: +46 8 685 04 20 Box 42093 | SE-126 30 STOCKHOLM, Sweden | http://www.netinsight.net ###### From: michael.wojcik@merant.com (Michael Wojcik) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: New retronym spotted! Furrfu. (possibly offensive) [R] Date: 12 May 2000 00:46:01 GMT Organization: MERANT Inc. Lines: 47 Message-ID: <8ffk890282d@news2.newsguy.com> References: <3911c44b$1$8250$3c090ad1@news.plethora.net> <8eui51$n46$6@bob.news.rcn.net> <8f121l$kkg$12@bob.news.rcn.net> <8f3rql$88l$6@bob.news.rcn.net> <8fbn2f$djv$2@bob.news.rcn.net> Reply-To: michael.wojcik@merant.com NNTP-Posting-Host: p-282.newsdawg.com X-Newsreader: xrn 9.00 Originator: mww@lorelei-n Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!enews.sgi.com!pln-w!spln!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!mww Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:56008 In article <8fbn2f$djv$2@bob.news.rcn.net>, jmfbahciv@aol.com writes: > In article , > greg@apple2.com wrote: > >In article <8f3rql$88l$6@bob.news.rcn.net>, > >jmfbahciv@aol.com wrote: > >> Wow! I hadn't realized that -3 was a character! > >You're confusing control as a character modifier with control being used > >as a command-key sequence. > Are you trying to tell me that -3 indicates the two keys > get punched simultaneously and that ctrl-3 indicates that > the two keys are punched one after the other? That's stupid. No. He's trying to explain that the "control" modifier key doesn't do anything predictable on "modern" OSes. In CLIs built in the a.f.u era, the "control" modifier key performed a regular, well- defined operation on the code normally generated by the key it modified. Later user interfaces were tightly coupled to particular hardware, and could get information about what particular keys were being pressed, when they were pressed and released, and so forth. For some reason it was considered a Good Thing to make as much use of this information as possible. Thus programs were written that would take one action if, say, control was held down while the "3" key was pressed, and another action if, say, both control and shift were held down while "3" was pressed. This saved the users from having to remember a lot of command-line commands and forced them instead to remember a lot of key combinations. So when someone says "in program X -y does Z", that may not mean that program X is looking for an ASCII EM character (decimal 25, hex 19), and will perform function Z on receipt of such. It may mean that program X is snooping the keyboard. -- Michael Wojcik michael.wojcik@merant.com AAI Development, MERANT (block capitals are a company mandate) Department of English, Miami University Memory, I realize, can be an unreliable thing; often it is heavily coloured by the circumstances in which one remembers, and no doubt this applies to certain of the recollections I have gathered here. -- Kazuo Ishiguro ###### From: slavins@hearsay.demon.co.uk@localhost (Simon Slavin) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: New retronym spotted! Furrfu. (possibly offensive) [R] Date: Sat, 13 May 2000 00:36:54 +0100 Organization: None Message-ID: References: <3911c44b$1$8250$3c090ad1@news.plethora.net> <8eui51$n46$6@bob.news.rcn.net> <8f121l$kkg$12@bob.news.rcn.net> <8f3uuo$rek@steklov.math.psu.edu> <3918F59A.1DF0EACB@netinsight.se> <39196303.433248969@client.ce.news.psi.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: hearsay.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: hearsay.demon.co.uk:194.222.24.177 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 958174631 nnrp-10:6215 NO-IDENT hearsay.demon.co.uk:194.222.24.177 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net Lines: 20 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news-fra1.dfn.de!news0.de.colt.net!colt.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!hearsay.demon.co.uk!user Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:56206 In article <39196303.433248969@client.ce.news.psi.net>, dhansen@cyberoptics.com (Dave Hansen) wrote: > On Wed, 10 May 2000 05:37:30 GMT, Johnny Billquist > wrote: > > [...] > >Why would EMACS have ROT13? > > Because there's no reason for it not to. I'd send that to best-of-internet but they wouldn't understand it. In Johnny's defence, I was confusing EMACS with what it developed into. Modern versions of EMACS are kitchen-sink compliant. Simon. -- http://www.hearsay.demon.co.uk | _Microsoft_ is going to write the software No junk email please. | that spies on me? I feel better already. | -- John D. Goulden ###### From: gnohmon8715@my-deja.com Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: New retronym spotted! Furrfu. (possibly offensive) [R] Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 19:06:50 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 22 Message-ID: <8fphrs$rni$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <3911c44b$1$8250$3c090ad1@news.plethora.net> <8eui51$n46$6@bob.news.rcn.net> <8f121l$kkg$12@bob.news.rcn.net> <8f3uuo$rek@steklov.math.psu.edu> <3918F59A.1DF0EACB@netinsight.se> <39196303.433248969@client.ce.news.psi.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 169.71.1.246 X-Article-Creation-Date: Mon May 15 19:06:50 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Lynx/2.7.1 libwww-FM/2.14 X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x23.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 169.71.1.246 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDgnohmon8715 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!News.Amsterdam.UnisourceCS!skynet.be!triton.skycache.com!128.230.129.106!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:56344 In article , slavins@hearsay.demon.co.uk@localhost (Simon Slavin) wrote: > In article <39196303.433248969@client.ce.news.psi.net>, > dhansen@cyberoptics.com (Dave Hansen) wrote: > > > On Wed, 10 May 2000 05:37:30 GMT, Johnny Billquist > > wrote: > > > > [...] > > >Why would EMACS have ROT13? > > > > Because there's no reason for it not to. > > I'd send that to best-of-internet but they wouldn't understand it. > In Johnny's defence, I was confusing EMACS with what it developed > into. Modern versions of EMACS are kitchen-sink compliant. You mean nethack is built in? Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. ###### From: Ariel Scolnicov Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: New retronym spotted! Furrfu. (possibly offensive) [R] Date: 16 May 2000 11:59:57 +0300 Organization: Compugen, Ltd. Lines: 27 Message-ID: References: <3911c44b$1$8250$3c090ad1@news.plethora.net> <8eui51$n46$6@bob.news.rcn.net> <8f121l$kkg$12@bob.news.rcn.net> <8f3uuo$rek@steklov.math.psu.edu> <3918F59A.1DF0EACB@netinsight.se> <39196303.433248969@client.ce.news.psi.net> <8fphrs$rni$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: bioserv.compugen.co.il Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: news.netvision.net.il 958467598 11244 194.90.227.153 (16 May 2000 08:59:58 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@netvision.net.il NNTP-Posting-Date: 16 May 2000 08:59:58 GMT User-Agent: Gnus/5.0802 (Gnus v5.8.2) XEmacs/20.4 (Emerald) Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!News.Amsterdam.UnisourceCS!newspeer.te.net!news.indigo.ie!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!dca1-hub1.news.digex.net!intermedia!nntp.inc.net!uunet!ffx.uu.net!news-feed.netvision.net.il!194.90.1.15.MISMATCH!news!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:56389 gnohmon8715@my-deja.com writes: > In article , > slavins@hearsay.demon.co.uk@localhost (Simon Slavin) wrote: > > In article <39196303.433248969@client.ce.news.psi.net>, > > dhansen@cyberoptics.com (Dave Hansen) wrote: > > > > > On Wed, 10 May 2000 05:37:30 GMT, Johnny Billquist > > > wrote: > > > > > > [...] > > > >Why would EMACS have ROT13? > > > > > > Because there's no reason for it not to. > > > > I'd send that to best-of-internet but they wouldn't understand it. > > In Johnny's defence, I was confusing EMACS with what it developed > > into. Modern versions of EMACS are kitchen-sink compliant. > > You mean nethack is built in? Not into `Emacs', but you can build `screen' (discussed a few weeks ago) with the Nethack UI (you get understandable error messages). After that, just "emacs -nw" and you'll feel right at home. -- Ariel Scolnicov