From: "Jack Gavin" Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: First Usenet post Lines: 16 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Message-ID: <8EZm4.946$pN1.11355@news1.rdc1.nj.home.com> Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2000 18:05:56 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.3.211.24 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news1.rdc1.nj.home.com 949773956 24.3.211.24 (Sat, 05 Feb 2000 10:05:56 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2000 10:05:56 PST Organization: @Home Network Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news.datacomm.ch!newscore.gigabell.net!newsfeeds.belnet.be!news.belnet.be!news-FFM2.ecrc.net!europa.netcrusader.net!207.114.4.11!nntp.abs.net!newshub2.home.com!news.home.com!news1.rdc1.nj.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:49369 Long-distance telegraphy: "What hath God Wrought?" Telephony: "Watson! Come here; I need you." Usenet: Understanding that the telephone example is somewhat dubious, and that any Usenet citation would be fraught with definitional issues, is there a somewhat-generally-accepted "first" Usenet post? (Hoping it wasn't: "Test... ignore".) -- Jack Gavin ###### Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: First Usenet post References: <8EZm4.946$pN1.11355@news1.rdc1.nj.home.com> Organization: Plethora . Net - More Net, Less Spam! X-Newsreader: trn 4.0-test72 (19 April 1999) From: seebs@plethora.net (Peter Seebach) Lines: 12 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2000 18:42:43 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.166.146.8 X-Complaints-To: abuse@plethora.net X-Trace: ptah.visi.com 949776163 205.166.146.8 (Sat, 05 Feb 2000 12:42:43 CST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2000 12:42:43 CST Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!News.Amsterdam.UnisourceCS!skynet.be!hermes.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!ptah.visi.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:49359 In article <8EZm4.946$pN1.11355@news1.rdc1.nj.home.com>, Jack Gavin wrote: >(Hoping it wasn't: "Test... ignore".) Of course not! It was "Please add me to the adult GIF mailing list." -s -- Copyright 2000, All rights reserved. Peter Seebach / seebs@plethora.net C/Unix wizard, Pro-commerce radical, Spam fighter. Boycott Spamazon! Consulting & Computers: http://www.plethora.net/ Get paid to surf! No spam. http://www.alladvantage.com/go.asp?refid=GZX636 ###### From: jlower@home.com (J. Lower) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: First Usenet post Message-ID: References: <8EZm4.946$pN1.11355@news1.rdc1.nj.home.com> Organization: More all the time! X-Newsreader: MT-NewsWatcher 2.4.4 Lines: 15 Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2000 20:05:14 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.3.68.108 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news2.rdc1.on.home.com 949781114 24.3.68.108 (Sat, 05 Feb 2000 12:05:14 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2000 12:05:14 PST Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!News.Amsterdam.UnisourceCS!newshunter!cosy.sbg.ac.at!news-feed.inet.tele.dk!bofh.vszbr.cz!hermes.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!newsfeed.enteract.com!feeder.via.net!newshub1.home.com!news.home.com!news2.rdc1.on.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:49382 In article , seebs@plethora.net (Peter Seebach) wrote: > In article <8EZm4.946$pN1.11355@news1.rdc1.nj.home.com>, > Jack Gavin wrote: > >(Hoping it wasn't: "Test... ignore".) > > Of course not! It was "Please add me to the adult GIF mailing list." And the next one was "Add me tooo!!!!!!!!!" -- | Jim Lower | See my Computer->Aquarium conversions at | | jlower@home.com | http://members.home.com/jlower/ | | ICOA #4988 | ###### From: ab528@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Heinz W. Wiggeshoff) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: First Usenet post Date: 5 Feb 2000 20:37:12 GMT Organization: The National Capital FreeNet Lines: 13 Message-ID: <87i1lo$qho$1@freenet9.carleton.ca> References: <8EZm4.946$pN1.11355@news1.rdc1.nj.home.com> Reply-To: ab528@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Heinz W. Wiggeshoff) NNTP-Posting-Host: freenet10 X-Trace: freenet9.carleton.ca 949783032 27192 134.117.136.30 (5 Feb 2000 20:37:12 GMT) X-Complaints-To: complaints@ncf.ca NNTP-Posting-Date: 5 Feb 2000 20:37:12 GMT X-Given-Sender: ab528@freenet10.carleton.ca (Heinz W. Wiggeshoff) Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!News.Amsterdam.UnisourceCS!newspeer.te.net!news.indigo.ie!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!nntp.frontiernet.net!nntp.gctr.net!xcski.com!freenet-news!FreeNet.Carleton.CA!ab528 Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:49362 J. Lower (jlower@home.com) writes: > In article , seebs@plethora.net > (Peter Seebach) wrote: > >> In article <8EZm4.946$pN1.11355@news1.rdc1.nj.home.com>, >> Jack Gavin wrote: >> >(Hoping it wasn't: "Test... ignore".) >> >> Of course not! It was "Please add me to the adult GIF mailing list." > > And the next one was "Add me tooo!!!!!!!!!" ... thus, AOL was born. ###### From: brucehoult@pobox.com (Bruce Hoult) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: First Usenet post Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2000 09:51:35 +1300 Organization: The Internet Group Ltd Lines: 14 Message-ID: References: <8EZm4.946$pN1.11355@news1.rdc1.nj.home.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: macinnat.static.star.net.nz X-Newsreader: MT-NewsWatcher 2.4.4 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!News.Amsterdam.UnisourceCS!skynet.be!ihug.co.nz!brucehoult Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:49360 In article , seebs@plethora.net (Peter Seebach) wrote: > In article <8EZm4.946$pN1.11355@news1.rdc1.nj.home.com>, > Jack Gavin wrote: > >(Hoping it wasn't: "Test... ignore".) > > Of course not! It was "Please add me to the adult GIF mailing list." Jeez, newbies. GIF wasn't even invented at the time... -- Bruce ###### From: Floyd Davidson Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: First Usenet post Date: 05 Feb 2000 13:34:05 -0900 Organization: __________ Lines: 24 Sender: floyd@barrow.com Message-ID: <87k8kjs2hu.fld@barrow.com> References: <8EZm4.946$pN1.11355@news1.rdc1.nj.home.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p-659.newsdawg.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii User-Agent: gnus 5.8.3; XEmacs 20.1.8; Linux Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news.datacomm.ch!newscore.gigabell.net!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!skynet.be!logbridge.uoregon.edu!pln-w!spln!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!enews1 Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:49349 brucehoult@pobox.com (Bruce Hoult) wrote: >In article , seebs@plethora.net >(Peter Seebach) wrote: > >> In article <8EZm4.946$pN1.11355@news1.rdc1.nj.home.com>, >> Jack Gavin wrote: >> >(Hoping it wasn't: "Test... ignore".) >> >> Of course not! It was "Please add me to the adult GIF mailing list." > >Jeez, newbies. > >GIF wasn't even invented at the time... True fact. The first Usenet post said, "See what happens when they let just *anybody* on the net!" And he promptly killfiled himself. Floyd -- Floyd L. Davidson floyd@barrow.com Ukpeagvik (Barrow, Alaska) ###### From: quirk@swcp.com (Taki Kogoma) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: First Usenet post Date: 5 Feb 2000 16:04:28 -0700 Organization: Nit-Pickers for a Better Tomorrow Afternoon Lines: 17 Message-ID: <87ia9s$giv@boofura.swcp.com> References: <8EZm4.946$pN1.11355@news1.rdc1.nj.home.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: boofura.swcp.com Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news.datacomm.ch!newscore.gigabell.net!newsfeed.tli.de!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!feeder.nmix.net!198.59.136.4.MISMATCH!feeder.swcp.com!sloth.swcp.com!boofura.swcp.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:49353 On Sat, 05 Feb 2000 20:05:14 GMT in , jlower@home.com (J. Lower) allegedly proclaimed to alt.folklore.computers: >In article , seebs@plethora.net >(Peter Seebach) wrote: >> In article <8EZm4.946$pN1.11355@news1.rdc1.nj.home.com>, >> Jack Gavin wrote: >> >(Hoping it wasn't: "Test... ignore".) >> >> Of course not! It was "Please add me to the adult GIF mailing list." > >And the next one was "Add me tooo!!!!!!!!!" Followed by "UNSUBSCRIBE". -- Capt. Gym Z. Quirk (Known to some as Taki Kogoma) quirk @ swcp.com Just an article detector on the Information Supercollider. ###### Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: First Usenet post References: <8EZm4.946$pN1.11355@news1.rdc1.nj.home.com> Organization: HiWAAY Information Services X-Newsreader: trn 4.0-test60 (5 October 1997) From: cmadams@fly.hiwaay.net (Chris Adams) Lines: 17 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.147.154.56 X-Trace: tw11.nn.bcandid.com 949797447 208.147.154.56 (Sat, 05 Feb 2000 17:37:27 MST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2000 17:37:27 MST Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2000 00:37:27 GMT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!News.Amsterdam.UnisourceCS!skynet.be!howland.erols.net!europa.netcrusader.net!206.132.58.120!gw22.nn.bcandid.com!hub12.nn.bcandid.com!tw11.nn.bcandid.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:49370 Once upon a time, J. Lower said: >In article , seebs@plethora.net >(Peter Seebach) wrote: >> In article <8EZm4.946$pN1.11355@news1.rdc1.nj.home.com>, >> Jack Gavin wrote: >> >(Hoping it wasn't: "Test... ignore".) >> >> Of course not! It was "Please add me to the adult GIF mailing list." > >And the next one was "Add me tooo!!!!!!!!!" The next one included an example of image, advertising the list, and then came the complaint about the waste of bandwidth. -- Chris Adams Systems and Network Administrator - HiWAAY Information Services I don't speak for anybody but myself - that's enough trouble. ###### From: hawk@hawkins.cba.uni.edu Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: First Usenet post Date: 5 Feb 2000 20:03:58 -0600 Organization: House of Hawkins Lines: 14 Message-ID: <87ikqe$qii$1@hawkins.cba.uni.edu> References: <8EZm4.946$pN1.11355@news1.rdc1.nj.home.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: hawkins.cba.uni.edu Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!enews.sgi.com!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.physics.uiowa.edu!news.uni.edu!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:49361 In article <8EZm4.946$pN1.11355@news1.rdc1.nj.home.com>, Jack Gavin wrote: >(Hoping it wasn't: "Test... ignore".) ME TOO! :) -- Prof. Richard E. Hawkins, Esq. hawk@hawkins.cba.uni.edu (319) 266-7114 http://eyry.econ.iastate.edu/hawk These opinions will not be those of UNI until it pays my retainer. ###### From: gnohmon8715@my-deja.com Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: First Usenet post Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2000 20:50:35 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 23 Message-ID: <87nb6p$595$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <8EZm4.946$pN1.11355@news1.rdc1.nj.home.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 169.71.1.248 X-Article-Creation-Date: Mon Feb 07 20:50:35 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Lynx/2.7.1 libwww-FM/2.14 X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x35.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 169.71.1.248 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDgnohmon8715 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!News.Amsterdam.UnisourceCS!newspeer.te.net!news.indigo.ie!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:49391 In article , cmadams@fly.hiwaay.net (Chris Adams) wrote: > Once upon a time, J. Lower said: > >In article , seebs@plethora.net > >(Peter Seebach) wrote: > >> In article <8EZm4.946$pN1.11355@news1.rdc1.nj.home.com>, > >> Jack Gavin wrote: > >> >(Hoping it wasn't: "Test... ignore".) > >> > >> Of course not! It was "Please add me to the adult GIF mailing list." > > > >And the next one was "Add me tooo!!!!!!!!!" > > The next one included an example of image, advertising the list, and > then came the complaint about the waste of bandwidth. Imminent death of Usenet predicted -- flim at 11! (And the one after that was a spledding flame...) Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. ###### Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: First Usenet post References: <8EZm4.946$pN1.11355@news1.rdc1.nj.home.com> <87nb6p$595$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Organization: Plethora . Net - More Net, Less Spam! X-Newsreader: trn 4.0-test72 (19 April 1999) From: seebs@plethora.net (Peter Seebach) Lines: 14 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2000 21:44:52 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.166.146.8 X-Complaints-To: abuse@plethora.net X-Trace: ptah.visi.com 949959892 205.166.146.8 (Mon, 07 Feb 2000 15:44:52 CST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2000 15:44:52 CST Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!News.Amsterdam.UnisourceCS!skynet.be!hermes.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!ptah.visi.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:49418 In article <87nb6p$595$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, wrote: >(And the one after that was a spledding flame...) YMMV, but ITYM it was a question about what some TLA or ETLA stood for, or a complaint about people "encrypting" posts with acronyms and in-jokes. Furthermore, you misspelled "tobogganing". -s -- Copyright 2000, All rights reserved. Peter Seebach / seebs@plethora.net C/Unix wizard, Pro-commerce radical, Spam fighter. Boycott Spamazon! Consulting & Computers: http://www.plethora.net/ Get paid to surf! No spam. http://www.alladvantage.com/go.asp?refid=GZX636 ###### From: jmfbah@aol.com (JMFBAH) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: First Usenet post Lines: 25 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 09 Feb 2000 15:25:22 GMT References: <87ikqe$qii$1@hawkins.cba.uni.edu> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000209102522.07850.00000549@ng-fv1.aol.com> Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!News.Amsterdam.UnisourceCS!newshunter!cosy.sbg.ac.at!newsfeed.Austria.EU.net!nmaster.kpnqwest.net!npeer.kpnqwest.net!blackbush.xlink.net!news-MUC.ecrc.net!news-FFM2.ecrc.net!europa.netcrusader.net!24.30.200.2!cyclone-east.rr.com!news.rr.com!news-east.rr.com!portc05.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:49538 From: hawk@hawkins.cba.uni.edu Date: Sat, Feb 5, 2000 21:03 EST Message-id: <87ikqe$qii$1@hawkins.cba.uni.edu> >In article <8EZm4.946$pN1.11355@news1.rdc1.nj.home.com>, >Jack Gavin wrote: >>(Hoping it wasn't: "Test... ignore".) >ME TOO! >:) It certainly wouldn't have had the word ignore in it. I would have had a version number, oops, you all would call it a message count number, just to make sure that I knew which of myselves I was replying to. People just don't understand how this stuff got developed. 'ey, Hawk. /BAH ###### Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: First Usenet post From: bmarcum@iglou.com X-Everything: Net-Tamer V 1.08X NNTP-Posting-Host: lou-ts1-45.iglou.com X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: lou-ts1-45.iglou.com Message-ID: <38a2970a@news.iglou.com> Date: 10 Feb 2000 05:46:34 -0500 X-Trace: 10 Feb 2000 05:46:34 -0500, lou-ts1-45.iglou.com Organization: IgLou Internet Services, Inc. Lines: 14 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: news-incoming.iglou.com Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!News.Amsterdam.UnisourceCS!skynet.be!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!news5-gui.server.ntli.net!ntli.net!uunet!ffx.uu.net!news.iglou.com!lou-ts1-45.iglou.com Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:49550 On 2000-02-06 brucehoult@pobox.com(BruceHoult) said: >In article , seebs@plethora.net >(Peter Seebach) wrote: >> In article <8EZm4.946$pN1.11355@news1.rdc1.nj.home.com>, >> Jack Gavin wrote: >> >(Hoping it wasn't: "Test... ignore".) >> Of course not! It was "Please add me to the adult GIF mailing >list." >Jeez, newbies. >GIF wasn't even invented at the time... Then it must have been "Please add me to the ASCII nude picture list"? Net-Tamer V 1.08X - Test Drive ###### Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: First Usenet post From: bmarcum@iglou.com X-Everything: Net-Tamer V 1.08X NNTP-Posting-Host: lou-ts1-45.iglou.com X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: lou-ts1-45.iglou.com Message-ID: <38a2970e@news.iglou.com> Date: 10 Feb 2000 05:46:38 -0500 X-Trace: 10 Feb 2000 05:46:38 -0500, lou-ts1-45.iglou.com Organization: IgLou Internet Services, Inc. Lines: 8 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: news-incoming.iglou.com Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!News.Amsterdam.UnisourceCS!newspeer.te.net!news.indigo.ie!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!dca1-hub1.news.digex.net!dca1-feed3.news.digex.net!intermedia!news.iglou.com!lou-ts1-45.iglou.com Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:49551 >> The next one included an example of image, advertising the list, >>and then came the complaint about the waste of bandwidth. >Imminent death of Usenet predicted -- flim at 11! >(And the one after that was a spledding flame...) Which happened to mention the name of K*bo... Net-Tamer V 1.08X - Test Drive ###### From: hawk@hawkins.cba.uni.edu Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: First Usenet post Date: 10 Feb 2000 17:09:13 -0600 Organization: House of Hawkins Lines: 42 Message-ID: <87vgep$9vk$1@hawkins.cba.uni.edu> References: <38a2970a@news.iglou.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: hawkins.cba.uni.edu Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news.datacomm.ch!newscore.gigabell.net!newsfeed.germany.net!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.physics.uiowa.edu!news.uni.edu!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:49638 In article <38a2970a@news.iglou.com>, wrote: >On 2000-02-06 brucehoult@pobox.com(BruceHoult) said: >Then it must have been "Please add me to the ASCII nude picture list"? ewwe, gross. Who wants to see nude ASCII's? They're much more alluring fully clothed . . . Now I'm stretching my memory. It seems to me that there were one or two newsgroups that actually had three part names back in 1984. net.jokes.d, perhaps? And the commonly proposed net.flame.rlr (yes, folks, just one person that generated that kind of flame-volume back then. As he sent from an AT&T site, he was rumored to be an AI program designed to boost call volume [it later turned out that there was an AI program posting elsewhere at the time, which succeeded in getting people to talk to it . . .]). Hmm, at that time, I first learned c after proposing modifying rn (?) to read the newsfeed and mark posts from him as read . . . When I came back ten years later, we had killfiles (hey, with only one or two people to killfile, there wasn't much point. And I never wrote the hack, though I got several requests for copies . . .). Now it seems like everything is at least three deep. Is it still safe to joke about alt.sex.hamsters, or has it been created and split again? alt.sex.hamsters.bald, alt.sex.hamsters.bald.old, alt.sex.hamsters.bald.old.squeak.ooops.splat? :) Hmm, and there was net.news (net.general?) as a general purpose news group. hawk, who should really get back to preparing the chapter five homework assignment -- Prof. Richard E. Hawkins, Esq. hawk@hawkins.cba.uni.edu (319) 266-7114 http://eyry.econ.iastate.edu/hawk These opinions will not be those of UNI until it pays my retainer. ###### From: korpela@islay.ssl.berkeley.edu (Eric J. Korpela) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: First Usenet post Date: 11 Feb 2000 01:13:37 GMT Organization: Cal Berkeley-- Space Sciences Lab Lines: 30 Message-ID: <87vno1$ge$1@agate.berkeley.edu> References: <38a2970a@news.iglou.com> <87vgep$9vk$1@hawkins.cba.uni.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: islay.ssl.berkeley.edu X-Trace: agate.berkeley.edu 950231617 526 128.32.98.192 (11 Feb 2000 01:13:37 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@berkeley.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 11 Feb 2000 01:13:37 GMT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!News.Amsterdam.UnisourceCS!newspeer.te.net!news.indigo.ie!diablo.theplanet.net!news.vas-net.net!nntprelay.berkeley.edu!news-hog.berkeley.edu!agate.berkeley.edu!agate!islay.ssl.berkeley.edu!korpela Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:49621 In article <87vgep$9vk$1@hawkins.cba.uni.edu>, wrote: >In article <38a2970a@news.iglou.com>, wrote: >>On 2000-02-06 brucehoult@pobox.com(BruceHoult) said: > >>Then it must have been "Please add me to the ASCII nude picture list"? > >ewwe, gross. Who wants to see nude ASCII's? They're much more >alluring fully clothed . . . There's nothing like ASCIIs in string bikinis... (Well, someone had to say it.) > [it later turned out that there was an AI program posting >elsewhere at the time, which succeeded in getting people to talk >to it . . .]). Is this Mark V. Shaney? If so, it wasn't even AI, it was a Markov Chain generator, just a program that took the newsgroup traffic, calculated the probability of a a given word following the previous two, and used those probabilities to generate a new post. Damn, I used to have a similar program here , but I can't find it. Eric -- Eric Korpela | An object at rest can never be korpela@ssl.berkeley.edu | stopped. Click for home page. ###### From: dg@pearl.tao.co.uk (David Given) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: First Usenet post Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 11:08:22 +0000 Organization: I do not speak for anyone but myself, and barely that. Lines: 29 Message-ID: <6jq088.n5m.ln@127.0.0.1> References: <38a2970a@news.iglou.com> <87vgep$9vk$1@hawkins.cba.uni.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.19.67.123 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: 950280640 IIX5YQT0T437BD413C uk21.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarq.com X-Newsreader: knews 1.0b.1 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!remarQ70!remarQ.com!supernews.com!remarQ69!127.0.0.1!nobody Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:49650 In article <87vgep$9vk$1@hawkins.cba.uni.edu>, hawk@hawkins.cba.uni.edu writes: [...] > Now it seems like everything is at least three deep. Is it still > safe to joke about alt.sex.hamsters, or has it been created and > split again? alt.sex.hamsters.bald, alt.sex.hamsters.bald.old, > alt.sex.hamsters.bald.old.squeak.ooops.splat? :) A quick grep of my news spool later: alt.bainaries.pictures.erotica.bestiality.hamster.duct-tape 1 1 0 -x- alt.binaries.pictures.erotica.bestiality.hamster 1 1 0 -x- alt.binaries.pictures.erotica.bestiality.hamster.duct-tape 1 1 0 -x- alt.binaries.pictures.erotica.bestiality.hamster.duct-tape.d 1 1 0 -x- alt.music.hamsters 1 1 0 -x- alt.pets.hamsters 1 1 0 -x- alt.sex.bestiality.hamster 1 1 0 -x- alt.sex.bestiality.hamster.duct-tape 1 1 0 -x- alt.sex.reggie-white.hamster.duct-tape 1 1 0 -x- japan.pets.hamster 1 1 0 -x- ...are all the hamster newsgroups around. And there aren't any hampster newsgroups, either. -- +- David Given ---------------McQ-+ "Opportunity is missed by most people | Work: dg@tao-group.com | because it's dressed in overalls and looks | Play: dgiven@iname.com | like work." --- Thomas Edison +- http://wired.st-and.ac.uk/~dg -+ ###### From: jmfbah@aol.com (JMFBAH) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: First Usenet post Lines: 16 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 11 Feb 2000 15:29:48 GMT References: <87vgep$9vk$1@hawkins.cba.uni.edu> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000211102948.23575.00002610@ng-fu1.aol.com> Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!cyclone-east.rr.com!news.rr.com!news-east.rr.com!portc05.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:49634 From: hawk@hawkins.cba.uni.edu Date: Thu, Feb 10, 2000 18:09 EST Message-id: <87vgep$9vk$1@hawkins.cba.uni.edu> >In article <38a2970a@news.iglou.com>, wrote: >>On 2000-02-06 brucehoult@pobox.com(BruceHoult) said: >>Then it must have been "Please add me to the ASCII nude picture list"? >ewwe, gross. Who wants to see nude ASCII's? They're much more >alluring fully clothed . . . Oh, is that why the eighth bit was added!!! /BAH ###### From: jmfbah@aol.com (JMFBAH) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: First Usenet post Lines: 16 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 11 Feb 2000 15:33:11 GMT References: <87vgep$9vk$1@hawkins.cba.uni.edu> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000211103311.23575.00002611@ng-fu1.aol.com> Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!isdnet!newsfeed.cwix.com!cyclone-east.rr.com!news.rr.com!news-east.rr.com!portc05.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:49630 From: hawk@hawkins.cba.uni.edu Date: Thu, Feb 10, 2000 18:09 EST Message-id: <87vgep$9vk$1@hawkins.cba.uni.edu> >Now it seems like everything is at least three deep. Is it still >safe to joke about alt.sex.hamsters, or has it been created and >split again? alt.sex.hamsters.bald, alt.sex.hamsters.bald.old, >alt.sex.hamsters.bald.old.squeak.ooops.splat? :) I have no idea what you're talking about. It seems that I missed something...being a newbie and all. /BAH ###### From: hawk@hawkins.cba.uni.edu Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: First Usenet post Date: 11 Feb 2000 16:38:15 -0600 Organization: House of Hawkins Lines: 25 Message-ID: <88230n$klf$1@hawkins.cba.uni.edu> References: <38a2970a@news.iglou.com> <87vgep$9vk$1@hawkins.cba.uni.edu> <87vno1$ge$1@agate.berkeley.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: hawkins.cba.uni.edu Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.physics.uiowa.edu!news.uni.edu!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:49625 In article <87vno1$ge$1@agate.berkeley.edu>, Eric J. Korpela wrote: > >> [it later turned out that there was an AI program posting >>elsewhere at the time, which succeeded in getting people to talk >>to it . . .]). >Is this Mark V. Shaney? If so, it wasn't even AI, it was a Markov Chain >generator, just a program that took the newsgroup traffic, calculated the >probability of a a given word following the previous two, and used those >probabilities to generate a new post. Damn, I used to have a similar program >here , but I can't find it. I really have no idea. I just recall my reaction when I found out, which was disbelief that the RLR rumors were true . . . [OK, why has the -p option stopped working on trn? and why won't it store the new groups as they get added . . . after six years on the same program, you get used to it working properly . . .] -- Prof. Richard E. Hawkins, Esq. hawk@hawkins.cba.uni.edu (319) 266-7114 http://eyry.econ.iastate.edu/hawk These opinions will not be those of UNI until it pays my retainer. ###### From: hawk@hawkins.cba.uni.edu Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: First Usenet post Date: 11 Feb 2000 16:47:46 -0600 Organization: House of Hawkins Lines: 22 Message-ID: <8823ii$kod$1@hawkins.cba.uni.edu> References: <87vgep$9vk$1@hawkins.cba.uni.edu> <20000211102948.23575.00002610@ng-fu1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: hawkins.cba.uni.edu Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!News.Amsterdam.UnisourceCS!skynet.be!newsfeed.stanford.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.physics.uiowa.edu!news.uni.edu!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:49633 In article <20000211102948.23575.00002610@ng-fu1.aol.com>, JMFBAH wrote: >From: hawk@hawkins.cba.uni.edu >>ewwe, gross. Who wants to see nude ASCII's? They're much more >>alluring fully clothed . . . >Oh, is that why the eighth bit was added!!! Yep. The university porn police regular inspect all files to insure that this bit is set on all bytes. Unfortuneately, noone was able to come up with a machine on this campus using a six bit byte to antagonize them. Impact on users is predicted to be minimal. :) -- Prof. Richard E. Hawkins, Esq. hawk@hawkins.cba.uni.edu (319) 266-7114 http://eyry.econ.iastate.edu/hawk These opinions will not be those of UNI until it pays my retainer. ###### From: hawk@hawkins.cba.uni.edu Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: First Usenet post Date: 11 Feb 2000 16:55:10 -0600 Organization: House of Hawkins Lines: 39 Message-ID: <88240e$kq2$1@hawkins.cba.uni.edu> References: <87vgep$9vk$1@hawkins.cba.uni.edu> <20000211103311.23575.00002611@ng-fu1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: hawkins.cba.uni.edu Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.physics.uiowa.edu!news.uni.edu!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:49620 In article <20000211103311.23575.00002611@ng-fu1.aol.com>, JMFBAH wrote: >From: hawk@hawkins.cba.uni.edu >>Now it seems like everything is at least three deep. Is it still >>safe to joke about alt.sex.hamsters, or has it been created and >>split again? alt.sex.hamsters.bald, alt.sex.hamsters.bald.old, >>alt.sex.hamsters.bald.old.squeak.ooops.splat? :) >I have no idea what you're talking about. It seems that I >missed something...being a newbie and all. Now that's the most interesting definition of a newbie I've seen in a while :) most of the newsgroups were plain and simply net.somethingoranother. I think there were one or two that spawned .d on the end to discuss the regular group (net.jokes.d and net.flame.d, maybe?). Regional groups got a different prefix (ba.news for the base bay area group, for example. Then came the great renaming, and newsgroup names became longer. There's something like alt.barney.die.die.die (or some such), and a few more with extraneous subgroups like that. And some of the groups I see offered on my screen these days as they're added . . . After noting the barney one, I looked for other newsgroups with similar names. I found one something like alt.startrek.weslie.crusher.die.die.die -- an entire *well populated* newsgroup dedicated to writing star trek episodes to kill off an annoying character (heck, if they killed off every annoying character and plot crutch on that program, would *any* of them have been left?) hawk -- Prof. Richard E. Hawkins, Esq. hawk@hawkins.cba.uni.edu (319) 266-7114 http://eyry.econ.iastate.edu/hawk These opinions will not be those of UNI until it pays my retainer. ###### From: mikey@sparcbert.ontek.com (Mike Lee) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: First Usenet post Date: 12 Feb 2000 02:22:07 GMT Organization: Ontek Corporation -- Laguna Hills, California Lines: 10 Message-ID: <882g4f$2c$1@news.cerf.net> References: <38a2970a@news.iglou.com> <87vgep$9vk$1@hawkins.cba.uni.edu> <87vno1$ge$1@agate.berkeley.edu> <88230n$klf$1@hawkins.cba.uni.edu> Reply-To: mikey@ontek.com NNTP-Posting-Host: sparcbert.mlee.ontek.com X-Trace: news.cerf.net 950322127 76 199.107.111.70 (12 Feb 2000 02:22:07 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@cerf.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 12 Feb 2000 02:22:07 GMT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newscore.univie.ac.at!194.25.134.126.MISMATCH!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!newsfeed.tli.de!newsfeed.enteract.com!hermes.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!uunet!ffx.uu.net!alpha.sky.net!mercury.cts.com!nntp2.cerf.net!news.cerf.net!sparcbert!mikey Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:49601 In alt.folklore.computers, hawk@hawkins.cba.uni.edu writes: | | [OK, why has the -p option stopped working on trn? and why won't it | store the new groups as they get added . . . after six years | on the same program, you get used to it working properly . . .] Do mean the -q option instead? mikey ###### Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: First Usenet post From: bmarcum@iglou.com X-Everything: Net-Tamer V 1.08X NNTP-Posting-Host: lou-ts3-16.iglou.com X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: lou-ts3-16.iglou.com Message-ID: <38a4ca60@news.iglou.com> Date: 11 Feb 2000 21:50:08 -0500 X-Trace: 11 Feb 2000 21:50:08 -0500, lou-ts3-16.iglou.com Organization: IgLou Internet Services, Inc. Lines: 22 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: news-incoming.iglou.com Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newscore.univie.ac.at!194.25.134.126.MISMATCH!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!news-MUC.ecrc.net!newspeer.ebone.net!newsfeed2.news.nl.uu.net!sun4nl!uunet!ams.uu.net!ffx.uu.net!news.iglou.com!lou-ts3-16.iglou.com Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:49600 On 2000-02-10 hawk@hawkins.cba.uni.edu said: >Now it seems like everything is at least three deep. Is it still >safe to joke about alt.sex.hamsters, or has it been created and >split again? alt.sex.hamsters.bald, alt.sex.hamsters.bald.old, >alt.sex.hamsters.bald.old.squeak.ooops.splat? :) From the latest list of newsgroups at my ISP, out of a total of 44526 newsgroups, these contain the word "hamster": alt.binaries.pictures.erotica.bestiality.hamster.duct-tape alt.binaries.pictures.erotica.bestiality.hamster.duct-tape.d alt.music.hamsters alt.pets.hamsters alt.sex.bestiality.hamster.duct-tape japan.pets.hamster alt.sex.reggie-white.hamster.duct-tape alt.pets.barbecue.hamsters I don't know which if any of these have any on-topic posts, but I'll try to find out. Don't know who Reggie White is either, but the above newsgroup is the only one named after him, whether that says anything about him or about whoever created the group. Net-Tamer V 1.08X - Test Drive ###### Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers From: ehrice@his.com (Edward Rice) Subject: Re: First Usenet post Message-ID: Organization: NDS Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2000 02:13:26 -0500 References: <38a2970a@news.iglou.com> <87vgep$9vk$1@hawkins.cba.uni.edu> <87vno1$ge$1@agate.berkeley.edu> <88230n$klf$1@hawkins.cba.uni.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: pm9-173.his.com X-Trace: 12 Feb 2000 02:12:44 -0500, pm9-173.his.com Lines: 24 X-Authenticated-User: ehrice Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.skycache.com!news1.his.com!user Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:49644 In article <88230n$klf$1@hawkins.cba.uni.edu>, hawk@hawkins.cba.uni.edu wrote: > >Is this Mark V. Shaney? If so, it wasn't even AI, it was a Markov Chain > >generator, just a program that took the newsgroup traffic, calculated the > >probability of a a given word following the previous two, and used those > >probabilities to generate a new post. Damn, I used to have a similar program > >here , but I can't find it. > > I really have no idea. I just recall my reaction when I found out, > which was disbelief that the RLR rumors were true . . . I know this program as something that came out of MIT on Multics called "The Dissociative Press." Terrific fun to play with -- you could set parameters as to how associated (or dissociated) the text was to be, and feed it anything from a nursery rhyme (which would give really screwball results) to a long stretch of text (which tended to produce muddled but real-seeming sentences. It's probably online somewhere, still. ###### From: prs@gol.com (Jacqui or (maybe) Pete) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: First Usenet post Message-ID: <38a65de7.1046402@nnrp.gol.com> References: <38a2970a@news.iglou.com> <87vgep$9vk$1@hawkins.cba.uni.edu> <87vno1$ge$1@agate.berkeley.edu> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 15 Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2000 13:22:24 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 203.216.43.242 X-Complaints-To: abuse@gol.com X-Trace: nnrp.gol.com 950361744 203.216.43.242 (Sat, 12 Feb 2000 22:22:24 JST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2000 22:22:24 JST Organization: Global Online Japan Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.nyu.edu!newsfeed.gol.com!203.216.70.8.MISMATCH!nnrp.gol.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:49657 On 11 Feb 2000 01:13:37 GMT, korpela@islay.ssl.berkeley.edu (Eric J. Korpela) wrote: ... >Is this Mark V. Shaney? If so, it wasn't even AI, it was a Markov Chain >generator, just a program that took the newsgroup traffic, calculated the >probability of a a given word following the previous two, and used those >probabilities to generate a new post. Damn, I used to have a similar program >here , but I can't find it. > >Eric There's a very good implementation in Programming Pearls, BTW. Hmmm.... Pete ###### From: prs@gol.com (Jacqui or (maybe) Pete) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: First Usenet post Message-ID: <38a97271.6304983@nnrp.gol.com> References: <38a2970a@news.iglou.com> <87vgep$9vk$1@hawkins.cba.uni.edu> <87vno1$ge$1@agate.berkeley.edu> <38a65de7.1046402@nnrp.gol.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 10 Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2000 14:51:54 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 203.216.43.254 X-Complaints-To: abuse@gol.com X-Trace: nnrp.gol.com 950367114 203.216.43.254 (Sat, 12 Feb 2000 23:51:54 JST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2000 23:51:54 JST Organization: Global Online Japan Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!newsfeed.gol.com!203.216.70.8.MISMATCH!nnrp.gol.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:49656 On Sat, 12 Feb 2000 13:22:24 GMT, prs@gol.com (Jacqui or (maybe) Pete) wrote: ... >There's a very good implementation in Programming Pearls, BTW. ... The source is at http://www.programmingpearls.com/markovhash.c Unfortunately I don't have a copy of recent (or all?) posts to this group in text format - could someone else provide a generic post? I think a follow up to an un-related thread would probably be best :-) ###### From: jmfbah@aol.com (JMFBAH) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: First Usenet post Lines: 38 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 12 Feb 2000 15:06:34 GMT References: <88240e$kq2$1@hawkins.cba.uni.edu> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000212100634.26290.00003063@ng-cn1.aol.com> Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!cyclone-east.rr.com!news.rr.com!news-east.rr.com!portc05.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:49670 From: hawk@hawkins.cba.uni.edu Date: Fri, Feb 11, 2000 17:55 EST Message-id: <88240e$kq2$1@hawkins.cba.uni.edu> >In article <20000211103311.23575.00002611@ng-fu1.aol.com>, >JMFBAH wrote: >>From: hawk@hawkins.cba.uni.edu >>>Now it seems like everything is at least three deep. Is it still >>>safe to joke about alt.sex.hamsters, or has it been created and >>>split again? alt.sex.hamsters.bald, alt.sex.hamsters.bald.old, >>>alt.sex.hamsters.bald.old.squeak.ooops.splat? :) >>I have no idea what you're talking about. It seems that I >>missed something...being a newbie and all. >Now that's the most interesting definition of a newbie I've seen in >a while :) Well, it's my situation :-). >most of the newsgroups were plain and simply net.somethingoranother. I >think there were one or two that spawned .d on the end to discuss >the regular group (net.jokes.d and net.flame.d, maybe?). Regional >groups got a different prefix (ba.news for the base bay area group, >for example. Ah, I see. I just thought there must have been some significance in the use of hamsters. Wombats were pretty propular in the 70s. Then they invented mice [glum emoticon here eyeing the Device From Hell]. /BAH ###### From: "Adam Atkinson" Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: First Usenet post Date: 12 Feb 2000 15:15:28 +0000 Organization: Collegio Pierpaoli, Montaguzzo Lines: 14 Message-ID: <374.77T1449T9153954ghira@mistral.co.uk> References: <38a2970a@news.iglou.com> <87vgep$9vk$1@hawkins.cba.uni.edu> <87vno1$ge$1@agate.berkeley.edu> <38a65de7.1046402@nnrp.gol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: d224-211.dial.mistral.co.uk X-Trace: starburst.uk.insnet.net 950378347 26762 195.184.224.211 (12 Feb 2000 17:59:07 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@insnet.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 12 Feb 2000 17:59:07 GMT X-No-Ahbou: yes X-Newsreader: THOR 2.6a (Amiga;TCP/IP) Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newscore.univie.ac.at!194.25.134.126.MISMATCH!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!diablo.theplanet.net!easynet-tele!easynet.net!insnet.net!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:49674 On 12-Feb-00 13:22:24, Jacqui or (maybe) Pete said: >>Is this Mark V. Shaney? >There's a very good implementation in Programming Pearls, BTW. And "The Practice of Programming" implements it in several different languages. -- Adam Atkinson (ghira@mistral.co.uk) If I were a bumble bee Z wouldn't be a U.F.D. ###### From: William Hamblen Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: First Usenet post Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2000 09:59:28 -0600 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 16 Message-ID: <8o0bas0qn6pac5fkb9iqqp4dv82thtlbmu@4ax.com> References: <38a4ca60@news.iglou.com> X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.7/32.534 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.new-york.net!remarQ-easT!remarQ.com!supernews.com!rQdQ!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:49678 On 11 Feb 2000 21:50:08 -0500, bmarcum@iglou.com wrote: >alt.sex.reggie-white.hamster.duct-tape > >I don't know which if any of these have any on-topic posts, but I'll try to >find out. Don't know who Reggie White is either, but the above newsgroup >is the only one named after him, whether that says anything about him or >about whoever created the group. Reggie White, all 300 lb. of him, played football for the Green Bay Packers and retired from football last year. alt.sex.reggie-white.hamster.duct-tape was empty on my ISP's news server. rec.pets.hamster was the only news group of *.hamster.* that had anything resembling on topic articles. ###### Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers From: ns8rl@bath.ac.uk (R Lucas) Subject: Re: First Usenet post Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Newsreader: knews 1.0b.0 Organization: School of Natural Sciences, University of Bath, UK Message-ID: References: <38a2970a@news.iglou.com> <87vgep$9vk$1@hawkins.cba.uni.edu> <87vno1$ge$1@agate.berkeley.edu> <88230n$klf$1@hawkins.cba.uni.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2000 16:01:26 GMT Lines: 18 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!isdnet!newsfeed.icl.net!colt.net!news.freedom2surf.net!news.vas-net.net!server2.netnews.ja.net!bath.ac.uk!ns8rl Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:49662 In article , ehrice@his.com (Edward Rice) writes: > I know this program as something that came out of MIT on Multics called > "The Dissociative Press." Terrific fun to play with -- you could set > parameters as to how associated (or dissociated) the text was to be, and > feed it anything from a nursery rhyme (which would give really screwball > results) to a long stretch of text (which tended to produce muddled but > real-seeming sentences. It's probably online somewhere, still. There's a version in emacs. Type Meta-x dissociate to scramble the text in the current buffer. Works well when applied to spam, I find. Rayner -- Geek Code Version 3.12: GS d- s-:- a--- C++$ US P L++ E W++$ N++ o? K w--(---) O? M V? PS(+) PE Y PGP- t-- 5- X+ R- tv-- b++ DI+++>++++ D++ G e* h- r% y? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Home pages: http://www.bath.ac.uk/~ns8rl/ Share and Enjoy! ###### From: Janne Rinta-Manty Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: First Usenet post Date: 13 Feb 2000 13:44:14 +0200 Organization: University of Helsinki Lines: 32 Message-ID: References: <38a2970a@news.iglou.com> <87vgep$9vk$1@hawkins.cba.uni.edu> <87vno1$ge$1@agate.berkeley.edu> <38a65de7.1046402@nnrp.gol.com> <38a97271.6304983@nnrp.gol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: astu.in.helsinki.fi Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: oravannahka.helsinki.fi 950442731 28999 128.214.182.6 (13 Feb 2000 11:52:11 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@news.helsinki.fi NNTP-Posting-Date: 13 Feb 2000 11:52:11 GMT User-Agent: Gnus/5.0803 (Gnus v5.8.3) Emacs/20.4 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!nyc-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!colt.net!newsfeed.icl.net!news.algonet.se!algonet!news-peer-europe.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!newsfeed1.swip.net!swipnet!newsfeed2.funet.fi!news.helsinki.fi!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:49687 Jacqui or (maybe) Pete 2000-02-12T14:51:54Z: > Unfortunately I don't have a copy of recent (or all?) posts to > this group in text format - could someone else provide a generic > post? I think a follow up to an un-related thread would probably be > best :-) [This is based on about 3 Megabytes of recent a.f.c article bodies - and of course the scrambling algorithm first tries to invoke Godwin's law!] Are you claiming that Hitler still wins on points, as it never speed-bumped? Derek Part of the meaning of less than a computer store in Burlington, VT, of all FBW aircraft with high prices. It often cost enough just to show progress ("yes, we are splitting away the modulo value). Now needing a symbol for exclusive or, we take for granted today. For starters, the pdp-7 and pdp-11 have nothing in common use, though that seems to be included in a radio and an IBM AT came out, and my boss decided to excess the beast. Did that include code using variants of CbE. (of course it doesn't work they want the "baddest" processor out there. Are you trying to do maths, or have something less content-free to add, I see any possible correlation between the warring factions, trying to optimize code by forcing arthimetic values to necessarily be logical ones, then sure, I can send you. I'll check this weekend. -- Janne Rinta-Mänty ###### From: "Charlie Gibbs" Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: First Usenet post Date: 13 Feb 00 19:54:18 -0800 Organization: http://extra.newsguy.com Lines: 17 Message-ID: <675.78T925T11944390@sky.bus.com> References: <87vgep$9vk$1@hawkins.cba.uni.edu> <20000211103311.23575.00002611@ng-fu1.aol.com> <88240e$kq2$1@hawkins.cba.uni.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: p-497.newsdawg.com X-Newsreader: THOR 2.5a (Amiga;TCP/IP) Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!isdnet!logbridge.uoregon.edu!pln-w!spln!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!news2 Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:49740 In article <88240e$kq2$1@hawkins.cba.uni.edu> hawk@hawkins.cba.uni.edu (hawk) writes: >Then came the great renaming, and newsgroup names became longer. >There's something like alt.barney.die.die.die (or some such), and >a few more with extraneous subgroups like that. And some of the >groups I see offered on my screen these days as they're added . . . As far as I know, the group that originally set all this off was alt.swedish.chef.bork.bork.bork. But lately I've seen the ultimate example, which could possibly be considered a meta-group: alt.adjective.noun.verb.verb.verb. -- cgibbs@sky.bus.com (Charlie Gibbs) Remove the first period after the "at" sign to reply. ###### From: beka_thomas@p8-term2-indy.netdirect.net (Rebeka Thomas) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: First Usenet post References: <38a2970a@news.iglou.com> <87vgep$9vk$1@hawkins.cba.uni.edu> <87vno1$ge$1@agate.berkeley.edu> <38a65de7.1046402@nnrp.gol.com> <38a97271.6304983@nnrp.gol.com> Message-ID: User-Agent: slrn/0.9.6.2 (Linux) Lines: 19 Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2000 22:59:29 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.248.210.163 X-Trace: news.netdirect.net 950482769 204.248.210.163 (Sun, 13 Feb 2000 17:59:29 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2000 17:59:29 EDT Organization: Net Direct, Inc. Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!News.Amsterdam.UnisourceCS!skynet.be!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.idt.net!news.netdirect.net!beka_thomas Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:49809 In article <38a97271.6304983@nnrp.gol.com>, Jacqui or (maybe) Pete wrote: >On Sat, 12 Feb 2000 13:22:24 GMT, prs@gol.com (Jacqui or (maybe) Pete) >wrote: >... >>There's a very good implementation in Programming Pearls, BTW. >... >The source is at http://www.programmingpearls.com/markovhash.c > >Unfortunately I don't have a copy of recent (or all?) posts to this >group in text format - could someone else provide a generic post? I >think a follow up to an un-related thread would probably be best :-) I can't tell from the source code exactly where i'm supposed to put the samples that it generates a message from. any help? --RST G! a?16 d? e*- h! r++ s: t tv++ b+++>++++ w--- x+*>** C++ D? 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P+ PE PGP-- PS+++ UL++++ V-- W- X- Y?;beka.thomas@yahoo_com gensig: error: No taglines installed ###### From: "Bill Silvey" Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: First Usenet post Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2000 19:01:29 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 30 Message-ID: References: <8EZm4.946$pN1.11355@news1.rdc1.nj.home.com> X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!News.Amsterdam.UnisourceCS!skynet.be!newsfeed.stanford.edu!remarQ70!remarQ.com!supernews.com!rQ66!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:49818 Jack Gavin wrote in message news:8EZm4.946$pN1.11355@news1.rdc1.nj.home.com... > Long-distance telegraphy: "What hath God Wrought?" > > Telephony: "Watson! Come here; I need you." > > Usenet: > > Understanding that the telephone example is somewhat dubious, and that any > Usenet citation would be fraught with definitional issues, is there a > somewhat-generally-accepted "first" Usenet post? > > (Hoping it wasn't: "Test... ignore".) > Me too. -- Bill Silvey, Oathmaster, Clan Wolverine - Fuck the IDSA "I post to see what kind of responses I will get. I don't know of every single facet of a subject I post on." - ATN082268's confession in posting <1998060405070500.BAA13596-rgm@ladder01.news.aol.com> that it does in fact post in rec.games.mecha only to troll. Y'wanna email me? Get the F outa my email address! ###### From: Ariel Scolnicov Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: First Usenet post Date: 14 Feb 2000 08:56:05 +0200 Organization: Compugen, Ltd. Lines: 41 Message-ID: References: <38a2970a@news.iglou.com> <87vgep$9vk$1@hawkins.cba.uni.edu> <87vno1$ge$1@agate.berkeley.edu> <88230n$klf$1@hawkins.cba.uni.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: bioserv.compugen.co.il Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: news.netvision.net.il 950511332 26180 194.90.227.153 (14 Feb 2000 06:55:32 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@netvision.net.il NNTP-Posting-Date: 14 Feb 2000 06:55:32 GMT User-Agent: Gnus/5.0802 (Gnus v5.8.2) XEmacs/20.4 (Emerald) Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!hermes.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!uunet!ffx.uu.net!news-feed.netvision.net.il!194.90.1.15.MISMATCH!news!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:49808 ehrice@his.com (Edward Rice) writes: > In article <88230n$klf$1@hawkins.cba.uni.edu>, > hawk@hawkins.cba.uni.edu wrote: > > > >Is this Mark V. Shaney? If so, it wasn't even AI, it was a Markov > Chain > > >generator, just a program that took the newsgroup traffic, calculated > the > > >probability of a a given word following the previous two, and used > those > > >probabilities to generate a new post. Damn, I used to have a similar > program > > >here , but I can't find it. > > > > I really have no idea. I just recall my reaction when I found out, > > which was disbelief that the RLR rumors were true . . . > > I know this program as something that came out of MIT on Multics called > "The Dissociative Press." Terrific fun to play with -- you could set > parameters as to how associated (or dissociated) the text was to be, and > feed it anything from a nursery rhyme (which would give really screwball > results) to a long stretch of text (which tended to produce muddled but > real-seeming sentences. It's probably online somewhere, still. "M-x dissociated-press RET" in (X)Emacs, of course. Useful for writing documentation. `dissociated-press' is an interactive autoloaded Lisp function -- autoloads from "dissociate" Dissociate the text of the current buffer. Output goes in buffer named *Dissociation*, which is redisplayed each time text is added to it. Every so often the user must say whether to continue. If ARG is positive, require ARG chars of continuity. If ARG is negative, require -ARG words of continuity. Default is 2. -- Ariel Scolnicov ###### From: dg@pearl.tao.co.uk (David Given) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: First Usenet post Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 11:40:46 +0000 Organization: I do not speak for anyone but myself, and barely that. Lines: 62 Message-ID: References: <87vgep$9vk$1@hawkins.cba.uni.edu> <20000211103311.23575.00002611@ng-fu1.aol.com> <88240e$kq2$1@hawkins.cba.uni.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.19.67.123 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: 950559461 IIX5YQT0T437BD413C uk21.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarq.com X-Newsreader: knews 1.0b.1 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!remarQ70!remarQ.com!supernews.com!remarQ69!127.0.0.1!nobody Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:49840 In article <88240e$kq2$1@hawkins.cba.uni.edu>, hawk@hawkins.cba.uni.edu writes: [...] > After noting the barney one, I looked for other newsgroups with > similar names. I found one something like > alt.startrek.weslie.crusher.die.die.die -- an entire *well populated* > newsgroup dedicated to writing star trek episodes to kill off an > annoying character (heck, if they killed off every annoying character > and plot crutch on that program, would *any* of them have been left?) Here's the full list: alt.barney.dinosaur.die.die.die 1 1 0 -x- alt.barney.sponge-minions.die.die.die 1 1 933773852 -x- alt.bigfoot.die.die.die 1 1 933773852 -x- alt.brad.jesness.die.die.die 1 1 0 -x- alt.business-majors.die.die.die 1 1 0 -x- alt.ensign.wesley.die.die.die 1 1 0 -x- alt.fan.amiga-action.die.die.die 1 1 0 Amiga Action, the magazine. DIE! alt.fan.hanson.die.die.die 1 1 933773852 -x- alt.fan.james.walker.die.die.die 1 1 0 -x- alt.fan.oj-simpson.die.die.die 1 1 0 -x- alt.fan.southpark.kenny.die.die.die 1 1 0 -x- alt.fan.starwars.jar-jar-binks.die.die.die 1 1 934992032 -x- alt.fan.starwars.jarjarbinks.die.die.die 1 1 934992032 ? alt.fan.stellys.tooby.die.die.die 1 1 933773852 -x- alt.fan.tuan.die.die.die 1 1 933773852 -x- alt.fans.tim_skirvin.die.die.die 1 1 0 -x- alt.fether.die.die.die 1 1 933773852 -x- alt.flame.dr.martha-jones.die.die.die 1 1 0 -x- alt.flame.tcs.die.die.die 1 1 0 -x- alt.groppi.die.die.die 1 1 933773852 -x- alt.hate.alvin.chu.die.die.die 1 1 0 -x- alt.irc.cori.die.die.die 1 1 933773852 -x- alt.irc.lamer.redknapp.die.die.die 1 1 0 -x- alt.japanese.neojapan.facism.kikuchi-ayamura.die.die.die.ctl 1 1 0 -x- alt.japanese.neojapan.fj-sucker.die.die.die 1 1 933773852 -x- alt.joel-furr.die.die.die 1 1 933773852 -x- alt.lucien.bouchard.die.die.die 1 1 933773852 -x- alt.lwaxana-troi.die.die.die 1 1 0 -x- alt.mark-atwood.die.die.die 1 1 0 -x- alt.miss.evans.die.die.die 1 1 933773852 -x- alt.netzilla.die.die.die 1 1 0 -x- alt.phil-oliver.die.die.die 1 1 0 -x- alt.pole-shift.die.die.die 1 1 933773852 -x- alt.stellys.tooby.die.die.die 1 1 0 -x- alt.tamsyn.die.die.die 1 1 0 -x- alt.toaster.dog.die.die.die 1 1 933773852 -x- alt.transponder25.die.die.die 1 1 933773852 -x- alt.tv.dinosaur.barney.die.die.die 1 1 0 -x- alt.tv.dinosaurs.barney.die.die.die 1 1 0 -x- alt.walter-cronkite.die.die.die 1 1 0 -x- alt.watford.electronics.die.die.die 1 1 933773852 -x- alt.wesley.crusher.die.die.die 1 1 0 -x- The mind boggles. -- +- David Given ---------------McQ-+ "Apatheism: the school of belief where on | Work: dg@tao-group.com | doesn't particularly care if there is/are | Play: dgiven@iname.com | god(s)." --- Capt. Gym Z. Quirk +- http://wired.st-and.ac.uk/~dg -+ ###### From: Mike Swaim Subject: Re: First Usenet post Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers References: <87vgep$9vk$1@hawkins.cba.uni.edu> <20000211103311.23575.00002611@ng-fu1.aol.com> <88240e$kq2$1@hawkins.cba.uni.edu> User-Agent: tin/pre-1.4-19990413 ("Endemoniada") (UNIX) (FreeBSD/3.2-RELEASE (i386)) Lines: 22 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.91.187.171 X-Trace: tw11.nn.bcandid.com 950565774 207.91.187.171 (Mon, 14 Feb 2000 15:02:54 MST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 15:02:54 MST Organization: bCandid - Powering the world's discussions - http://bCandid.com Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 22:02:54 GMT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!isdnet!howland.erols.net!europa.netcrusader.net!206.132.58.120!gw22.nn.bcandid.com!hub12.nn.bcandid.com!tw11.nn.bcandid.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:49830 David Given wrote: > In article <88240e$kq2$1@hawkins.cba.uni.edu>, > hawk@hawkins.cba.uni.edu writes: > [...] >> After noting the barney one, I looked for other newsgroups with >> similar names. I found one something like >> alt.startrek.weslie.crusher.die.die.die -- an entire *well populated* >> newsgroup dedicated to writing star trek episodes to kill off an >> annoying character (heck, if they killed off every annoying character >> and plot crutch on that program, would *any* of them have been left?) > Here's the full list: > The mind boggles. Ah, but you missed my favorite, alt.french.captain.borg.borg.borg created for the Star Trek TNG 3rd season cliffhanger. -- Mike Swaim, Avatar of Chaos: Disclaimer:I sometimes lie. Home: swaim at nol * net Quote: "Boingie"^4 Y,W&D ###### From: hawk@hawkins.cba.uni.edu Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: First Usenet post Date: 14 Feb 2000 17:17:56 -0600 Organization: House of Hawkins Lines: 16 Message-ID: <88a2f4$gai$1@hawkins.cba.uni.edu> References: <87vgep$9vk$1@hawkins.cba.uni.edu> <20000211103311.23575.00002611@ng-fu1.aol.com> <88240e$kq2$1@hawkins.cba.uni.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: hawkins.cba.uni.edu Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.physics.uiowa.edu!news.uni.edu!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:49790 In article , David Given wrote: >In article <88240e$kq2$1@hawkins.cba.uni.edu>, > hawk@hawkins.cba.uni.edu writes: >Here's the full list: > snipped [*.*.*.die.die.die] yikes. They've been busy . . . gad, is there a limit to how many newsgroups trn can handle? Is that why I now get the same list of new groups every time I fire it up (and there's some doozies in there . . .) -- Prof. Richard E. Hawkins, Esq. hawk@hawkins.cba.uni.edu (319) 266-7114 http://eyry.econ.iastate.edu/hawk These opinions will not be those of UNI until it pays my retainer. ###### From: jvarela@nospam.com (John Varela) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: First Usenet post Date: 15 Feb 2000 00:16:42 GMT Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Lines: 12 Message-ID: References: <87vgep$9vk$1@hawkins.cba.uni.edu> <20000211103311.23575.00002611@ng-fu1.aol.com> <88240e$kq2$1@hawkins.cba.uni.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: a5.f7.54.78 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Newsreader: ProNews/2 Version 1.50á1/02 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.mindspring.net!firehose.mindspring.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:49848 On Mon, 14 Feb 2000 22:02:54, Mike Swaim wrote: > Ah, but you missed my favorite, alt.french.captain.borg.borg.borg > created for the Star Trek TNG 3rd season cliffhanger. Being hirsutically challenged myself, my favorite is alt.sexy.bald.captains -- John Varela jvarela at mindspring dot com ###### From: Floyd Davidson Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: First Usenet post Date: 14 Feb 2000 17:30:08 -0900 Organization: __________ Lines: 31 Sender: floyd@barrow.com Message-ID: <87r9efw633.fld@barrow.com> References: <87vgep$9vk$1@hawkins.cba.uni.edu> <20000211103311.23575.00002611@ng-fu1.aol.com> <88240e$kq2$1@hawkins.cba.uni.edu> <88a2f4$gai$1@hawkins.cba.uni.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: p-181.newsdawg.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii User-Agent: gnus 5.8.3; XEmacs 20.1.8; Linux Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!News.Amsterdam.UnisourceCS!uunet!ams.uu.net!newsfeed2.news.nl.uu.net!sun4nl!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!pln-w!spln!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!enews3 Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:49738 hawk@hawkins.cba.uni.edu wrote: >In article , David Given wrote: >>In article <88240e$kq2$1@hawkins.cba.uni.edu>, >> hawk@hawkins.cba.uni.edu writes: > >>Here's the full list: >> snipped [*.*.*.die.die.die] > >yikes. They've been busy . . . gad, is there a limit to how many >newsgroups trn can handle? Is that why I now get the same list of new >groups every time I fire it up (and there's some doozies in there . . .) There's an option to invoke trn (which probably should be aliased to it or run from a script that calls it with that option) which causes trn not to report the names of new groups. I don't use trn anymore, but way back when I did, I stopped wanting to see newgroups about the time there were more of them in a month than there used to be total newsgroup all together. Ha, remember when there were a couple hundred newgroups and people started voting NO on anything and everything just because they said it was "namespace polution". Then someone tried rmgroup'ing some of the obviously unnecessary alt groups, and (Boris ?) Becker went on a campain to newgroup anything that was removed, insisting that nobody had the right to delete a group even if it had one message per decade. -- Floyd L. Davidson floyd@barrow.com Ukpeagvik (Barrow, Alaska) ###### From: dg@pearl.tao.co.uk (David Given) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: First Usenet post Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 11:10:40 +0000 Organization: I do not speak for anyone but myself, and barely that. Lines: 33 Message-ID: References: <87vgep$9vk$1@hawkins.cba.uni.edu> <20000211103311.23575.00002611@ng-fu1.aol.com> <88240e$kq2$1@hawkins.cba.uni.edu> <88a2f4$gai$1@hawkins.cba.uni.edu> <87r9efw633.fld@barrow.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.19.67.123 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: 950619636 IIX5YQT0T437BD413C uk21.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarq.com X-Newsreader: knews 1.0b.1 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!remarQ70!remarQ.com!supernews.com!remarQ69!127.0.0.1!nobody Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:49844 In article <87r9efw633.fld@barrow.com>, Floyd Davidson writes: [...] > There's an option to invoke trn (which probably should be > aliased to it or run from a script that calls it with that > option) which causes trn not to report the names of new groups. > I don't use trn anymore, but way back when I did, I stopped > wanting to see newgroups about the time there were more of them > in a month than there used to be total newsgroup all together. -q. I recommend getting strn; it's a lot better than stock trn. (That said, I use knews for most of my news reading.) wc claims that there are 47935 groups in my groupinfo file. I get my news feed via Remarq, so I'd expect that to be pretty authoritative. Interestingly, I only get new-group notifications once a month or so; I think that newgroups are moderated via a human at Remarq. > Ha, remember when there were a couple hundred newgroups and > people started voting NO on anything and everything just because > they said it was "namespace polution". Then someone tried > rmgroup'ing some of the obviously unnecessary alt groups, and > (Boris ?) Becker went on a campain to newgroup anything that was > removed, insisting that nobody had the right to delete a group > even if it had one message per decade. What happened to 2usenet? -- +- David Given ---------------McQ-+ "When an irresistable force meets an | Work: dg@tao-group.com | immovable object, the result is a family | Play: dgiven@iname.com | fight." --- Diana Wynne Jones, _Archer's +- http://wired.st-and.ac.uk/~dg -+ Goon_ ###### From: Ian Stirling Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: First Usenet post Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 12:41:25 GMT Message-ID: <950618485.5737.0.nnrp-04.9e98d142@news.demon.co.uk> References: <87vgep$9vk$1@hawkins.cba.uni.edu> <20000211103311.23575.00002611@ng-fu1.aol.com> <88240e$kq2$1@hawkins.cba.uni.edu> <88a2f4$gai$1@hawkins.cba.uni.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: mauve.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: mauve.demon.co.uk:158.152.209.66 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 950618485 nnrp-04:5737 NO-IDENT mauve.demon.co.uk:158.152.209.66 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net User-Agent: tin/pre-1.4-980818 ("Laura") (UNIX) (Linux/2.2.13 (i586)) Originator: root@mauve.demon.co.uk Lines: 21 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newscore.univie.ac.at!194.25.134.126.MISMATCH!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!newsfeed.tli.de!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!mauve.demon.co.uk!root Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:49843 hawk@hawkins.cba.uni.edu wrote: >In article , David Given wrote: >>In article <88240e$kq2$1@hawkins.cba.uni.edu>, >> hawk@hawkins.cba.uni.edu writes: >>Here's the full list: >> snipped [*.*.*.die.die.die] >yikes. They've been busy . . . gad, is there a limit to how many >newsgroups trn can handle? Is that why I now get the same list of new >groups every time I fire it up (and there's some doozies in there . . .) IIRC, there were at one time lots of bhar'ne (I forget the correct punctuation) but lots got rmgrouped in 97? -- http://inquisitor.i.am/ | mailto:inquisitor@i.am | Ian Stirling. ---------------------------+-------------------------+-------------------------- To do is to be To be is to do Do be do be do do ###### From: Ian Stirling Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: First Usenet post Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 12:42:03 GMT Message-ID: <950618523.5755.0.nnrp-04.9e98d142@news.demon.co.uk> References: <87vgep$9vk$1@hawkins.cba.uni.edu> <20000211103311.23575.00002611@ng-fu1.aol.com> <88240e$kq2$1@hawkins.cba.uni.edu> <88a2f4$gai$1@hawkins.cba.uni.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: mauve.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: mauve.demon.co.uk:158.152.209.66 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 950618523 nnrp-04:5755 NO-IDENT mauve.demon.co.uk:158.152.209.66 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net User-Agent: tin/pre-1.4-980818 ("Laura") (UNIX) (Linux/2.2.13 (i586)) Originator: root@mauve.demon.co.uk Lines: 28 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!isdnet!newsfeed.icl.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!mauve.demon.co.uk!root Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:49842 hawk@hawkins.cba.uni.edu wrote: >In article , David Given wrote: >>In article <88240e$kq2$1@hawkins.cba.uni.edu>, >> hawk@hawkins.cba.uni.edu writes: >>Here's the full list: >> snipped [*.*.*.die.die.die] >yikes. They've been busy . . . gad, is there a limit to how many >newsgroups trn can handle? Is that why I now get the same list of new >groups every time I fire it up (and there's some doozies in there . . .) Was tempted this week, to propose a CFV for a new heirarchy, bin.* Where * is [ -~]* (up to a gigabyte) Posts would be simply made in the correct newsgroup, and could be quite short, just discussing the files content, without any need to transfer massive articles. The actual file would be gotten by simply uudecoding the group name. -- http://inquisitor.i.am/ | mailto:inquisitor@i.am | Ian Stirling. ---------------------------+-------------------------+-------------------------- To do is to be To be is to do Do be do be do do ###### From: viro@weyl.math.psu.edu (Alexander Viro) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: First Usenet post Date: 15 Feb 2000 07:50:39 -0500 Organization: -ENOENT Lines: 30 Message-ID: <88bi2v$eik@weyl.math.psu.edu> References: <87vgep$9vk$1@hawkins.cba.uni.edu> <88a2f4$gai$1@hawkins.cba.uni.edu> <87r9efw633.fld@barrow.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: weyl.math.psu.edu Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!isdnet!howland.erols.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.cis.ohio-state.edu!news.ems.psu.edu!news3.cac.psu.edu!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:49782 In article <87r9efw633.fld@barrow.com>, Floyd Davidson wrote: >hawk@hawkins.cba.uni.edu wrote: >>In article , David Given wrote: >>>In article <88240e$kq2$1@hawkins.cba.uni.edu>, >>> hawk@hawkins.cba.uni.edu writes: >> >>>Here's the full list: >>> snipped [*.*.*.die.die.die] >> >>yikes. They've been busy . . . gad, is there a limit to how many >>newsgroups trn can handle? Is that why I now get the same list of new >>groups every time I fire it up (and there's some doozies in there . . .) It's _not_ a trn problem. Tell your newsserver folks to upgrade - INN has known Y2K bug (yup, they actually exist) that fscks up NEWGROUPS handling. INN 2.2 is OK. >There's an option to invoke trn (which probably should be >aliased to it or run from a script that calls it with that >option) which causes trn not to report the names of new groups. >I don't use trn anymore, but way back when I did, I stopped >wanting to see newgroups about the time there were more of them >in a month than there used to be total newsgroup all together. See above. -- "You're one of those condescending Unix computer users!" "Here's a nickel, kid. Get yourself a better computer" - Dilbert. ###### From: beka_thomas@p8-term2-indy.netdirect.net (Rebeka Thomas) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: First Usenet post References: <87vgep$9vk$1@hawkins.cba.uni.edu> <88a2f4$gai$1@hawkins.cba.uni.edu> <87r9efw633.fld@barrow.com> <88bi2v$eik@weyl.math.psu.edu> Message-ID: User-Agent: slrn/0.9.6.2 (Linux) Lines: 26 Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 01:58:12 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.248.210.87 X-Trace: news.netdirect.net 950666292 204.248.210.87 (Tue, 15 Feb 2000 20:58:12 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 20:58:12 EDT Organization: Net Direct, Inc. Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newsfeeds.belnet.be!news.belnet.be!newsfeed.nacamar.de!newsfeed.tli.de!news-fra.pop.de!uunet!ams.uu.net!nyc.uu.net!ffx.uu.net!news.netdirect.net!beka_thomas Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:49898 In article <88bi2v$eik@weyl.math.psu.edu>, Alexander Viro wrote: >In article <87r9efw633.fld@barrow.com>, >Floyd Davidson wrote: >>hawk@hawkins.cba.uni.edu wrote: >>>In article , David Given wrote: >>>>In article <88240e$kq2$1@hawkins.cba.uni.edu>, >>>> hawk@hawkins.cba.uni.edu writes: >>> >>>>Here's the full list: >>>> snipped [*.*.*.die.die.die] >>> >>>yikes. They've been busy . . . gad, is there a limit to how many >>>newsgroups trn can handle? Is that why I now get the same list of new >>>groups every time I fire it up (and there's some doozies in there . . .) > >It's _not_ a trn problem. Tell your newsserver folks to upgrade - INN has >known Y2K bug (yup, they actually exist) that fscks up NEWGROUPS handling. >INN 2.2 is OK. Do you know if there's any problem with breeze? [i wish my ISP would switch to linux, but they're a buncha NT zombies] --RST G! a?16 d? e*- h! r++ s: t tv++ b+++>++++ w--- x+*>** C++ D? DI+ E--- G K+++ L++>+++ M+>- o O? P+ PE PGP-- PS+++ UL++++ V-- W- X- Y?;beka.thomas@yahoo_com "Just wait for someone to say something interesting, and nick it." --Laura ###### From: viro@weyl.math.psu.edu (Alexander Viro) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: First Usenet post Date: 16 Feb 2000 12:25:39 -0500 Organization: -ENOENT Lines: 23 Message-ID: <88emij$hm8@weyl.math.psu.edu> References: <87vgep$9vk$1@hawkins.cba.uni.edu> <87r9efw633.fld@barrow.com> <88bi2v$eik@weyl.math.psu.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: weyl.math.psu.edu Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.cis.ohio-state.edu!news.ems.psu.edu!news3.cac.psu.edu!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:49878 In article , Rebeka Thomas wrote: >>It's _not_ a trn problem. Tell your newsserver folks to upgrade - INN has >>known Y2K bug (yup, they actually exist) that fscks up NEWGROUPS handling. >>INN 2.2 is OK. > >Do you know if there's any problem with breeze? [i wish my ISP would switch to >linux, but they're a buncha NT zombies] telnet 119 | tee log NEWGROUPS yymmdd QUIT and see what you will get (replace yymmdd with the reasonably recent date - 000215 should be sufficiently close). It should give you the list of groups that appeared on your server since that date. If it will be of insane length - there you go. And yes, it's two-digits representation for year. The theory being that if you didn't check the list 100 years you (your newsreader) should just use LIST instead of NEWGROUPS and fetch the full list of groups ;-) -- "You're one of those condescending Unix computer users!" "Here's a nickel, kid. Get yourself a better computer" - Dilbert. ###### From: Mike Tomlinson Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: First Usenet post Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 15:01:58 +0000 Organization: The Pub Lines: 16 Message-ID: References: <8EZm4.946$pN1.11355@news1.rdc1.nj.home.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-27.anadrol.dialup.pol.co.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Trace: newsg2.svr.pol.co.uk 950729980 10073 62.136.79.27 (16 Feb 2000 19:39:40 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 16 Feb 2000 19:39:40 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Turnpike (32) Version 4.01 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news-fra1.dfn.de!news0.de.colt.net!colt.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!jasper.org.uk!mike Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:49933 In article <8EZm4.946$pN1.11355@news1.rdc1.nj.home.com>, Jack Gavin writes >Long-distance telegraphy: "What hath God Wrought?" > >Telephony: "Watson! Come here; I need you." > >Usenet: "$$$$ MAKE MONEY FAST!!! $$$$" naturally. -- Mike Tomlinson mike@jasper.org.uk ###### From: hawk@hawkins.cba.uni.edu Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: First Usenet post Date: 16 Feb 2000 16:06:01 -0600 Organization: House of Hawkins Lines: 30 Message-ID: <88f709$5kj$1@hawkins.cba.uni.edu> References: <87vgep$9vk$1@hawkins.cba.uni.edu> <88a2f4$gai$1@hawkins.cba.uni.edu> <87r9efw633.fld@barrow.com> <88bi2v$eik@weyl.math.psu.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: hawkins.cba.uni.edu Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newscore.univie.ac.at!194.25.134.126.MISMATCH!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!news-MUC.ecrc.net!news-FFM2.ecrc.net!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.physics.uiowa.edu!news.uni.edu!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:50007 In article <88bi2v$eik@weyl.math.psu.edu>, Alexander Viro wrote: >In article <87r9efw633.fld@barrow.com>, >Floyd Davidson wrote: >>hawk@hawkins.cba.uni.edu wrote: >>>yikes. They've been busy . . . gad, is there a limit to how many >>>newsgroups trn can handle? Is that why I now get the same list of new >>>groups every time I fire it up (and there's some doozies in there . . .) >It's _not_ a trn problem. Tell your newsserver folks to upgrade - INN has >known Y2K bug (yup, they actually exist) that fscks up NEWGROUPS handling. >INN 2.2 is OK. You mean that while this place literally inspected every stupid selectric for y2k, and kept a manual in case power went out (not noticing that they couldn't see without pwoer . . .), they missed *that*. I was tempted to deface the Y2k group inspection sticker when I put linux on the pc in my office, but discretion caught up with me :) I solved it by hitting Y and then holding down the u key for a while . . . hawk -- Prof. Richard E. Hawkins, Esq. hawk@hawkins.cba.uni.edu (319) 266-7114 http://eyry.econ.iastate.edu/hawk These opinions will not be those of UNI until it pays my retainer. ###### From: hawk@hawkins.cba.uni.edu Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: First Usenet post Date: 16 Feb 2000 16:26:17 -0600 Organization: House of Hawkins Lines: 32 Message-ID: <88f869$5o8$1@hawkins.cba.uni.edu> References: <87vgep$9vk$1@hawkins.cba.uni.edu> <88a2f4$gai$1@hawkins.cba.uni.edu> <87r9efw633.fld@barrow.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: hawkins.cba.uni.edu Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!isdnet!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.physics.uiowa.edu!news.uni.edu!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:50002 In article <87r9efw633.fld@barrow.com>, Floyd Davidson wrote: >hawk@hawkins.cba.uni.edu wrote: >>In article , David Given wrote: >>>In article <88240e$kq2$1@hawkins.cba.uni.edu>, >>> hawk@hawkins.cba.uni.edu writes: >Ha, remember when there were a couple hundred newgroups and >people started voting NO on anything and everything just because >they said it was "namespace polution". I kind of skipped the period betwen about 30 groups and too many to consider . . . >Then someone tried >rmgroup'ing some of the obviously unnecessary alt groups, and >(Boris ?) Becker went on a campain to newgroup anything that was >removed, insisting that nobody had the right to delete a group >even if it had one message per decade. I do recall someone taking it upon himself to rmgroup alt.beer on the grounds that it was just a bunch of drunks . . . this would be in 94 or 95, I think. I haven't read it in years, but it tended to focus on high quality stuff rather than the mass-market swill. hawk -- Prof. Richard E. Hawkins, Esq. hawk@hawkins.cba.uni.edu (319) 266-7114 http://eyry.econ.iastate.edu/hawk These opinions will not be those of UNI until it pays my retainer. ###### From: viro@weyl.math.psu.edu (Alexander Viro) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: First Usenet post Date: 16 Feb 2000 18:22:50 -0500 Organization: -ENOENT Lines: 18 Message-ID: <88fbga$ikn@weyl.math.psu.edu> References: <87vgep$9vk$1@hawkins.cba.uni.edu> <87r9efw633.fld@barrow.com> <88bi2v$eik@weyl.math.psu.edu> <88f709$5kj$1@hawkins.cba.uni.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: weyl.math.psu.edu Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news.datacomm.ch!newscore.gigabell.net!news.gigabell.net!newsfeed.nacamar.de!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.cis.ohio-state.edu!news.ems.psu.edu!news3.cac.psu.edu!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:50000 In article <88f709$5kj$1@hawkins.cba.uni.edu>, wrote: >You mean that while this place literally inspected every stupid >selectric for y2k, and kept a manual in case power went out (not noticing >that they couldn't see without pwoer . . .), they missed *that*. Yup. >I was tempted to deface the Y2k group inspection sticker when I put >linux on the pc in my office, but discretion caught up with me :) Parsed the above as "I was tempted to deface the Y2k group" and it made perfect sense... Need. More. Coffee... -- "You're one of those condescending Unix computer users!" "Here's a nickel, kid. Get yourself a better computer" - Dilbert. ###### From: hnsngr@sirius.com (Ron Hunsinger) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: First Usenet post Message-ID: References: <8EZm4.946$pN1.11355@news1.rdc1.nj.home.com> Organization: ErsteSoft Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit X-Newsreader: Yet Another NewsWatcher 2.3.1 Lines: 19 Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 21:46:46 -0800 NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.103.86.8 X-Complaints-To: abuse@swbell.net X-Trace: news.swbell.net 950766397 216.103.86.8 (Wed, 16 Feb 2000 23:46:37 CST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 23:46:37 CST Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!isdnet!216.226.222.61.MISMATCH!newsxfer.interpacket.net!news.interpacket.net!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!cyclone.swbell.net!news.swbell.net.POSTED!hnsngr Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:50094 In article , Mike Tomlinson wrote: > In article <8EZm4.946$pN1.11355@news1.rdc1.nj.home.com>, Jack Gavin > writes > >Long-distance telegraphy: "What hath God Wrought?" > > > >Telephony: "Watson! Come here; I need you." > > > >Usenet: > > "$$$$ MAKE MONEY FAST!!! $$$$" And the content was a diatribe saying anyone who can't spell is a Nazi. Of course, the content had nothing to do with the subject, but that's OK. It was off-topic anyway. -Ron Hunsinger ###### From: jmfbah@aol.com (JMFBAH) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: First Usenet post Lines: 39 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 17 Feb 2000 13:33:46 GMT References: <88f709$5kj$1@hawkins.cba.uni.edu> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000217083346.17863.00000013@ng-cn1.aol.com> Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!enews.sgi.com!logbridge.uoregon.edu!cyclone-east.rr.com!news.rr.com!news-east.rr.com!portc05.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:50018 From: hawk@hawkins.cba.uni.edu Date: Wed, Feb 16, 2000 17:06 EST Message-id: <88f709$5kj$1@hawkins.cba.uni.edu> >In article <88bi2v$eik@weyl.math.psu.edu>, >Alexander Viro wrote: >>In article <87r9efw633.fld@barrow.com>, >>Floyd Davidson wrote: >>>hawk@hawkins.cba.uni.edu wrote: >>>>yikes. They've been busy . . . gad, is there a limit to how many >>>>newsgroups trn can handle? Is that why I now get the same list of new >>>>groups every time I fire it up (and there's some doozies in there . . .) >>It's _not_ a trn problem. Tell your newsserver folks to upgrade - INN has >>known Y2K bug (yup, they actually exist) that fscks up NEWGROUPS >>handling. >>INN 2.2 is OK. >You mean that while this place literally inspected every stupid >selectric for y2k, and kept a manual in case power went out (not noticing >that they couldn't see without pwoer . . .), they missed *that*. Is irony wonderful? What happened to me (this is the reason I'm posting using AOL's stuff) is that my other ISP installed the bug after I logged off 31-Dec-99 and before I logged in 01-Jan-00. Every post their newsfeeder encounters that has a format of a two-digit year goes into a bit bucket somewhere. >I was tempted to deface the Y2k group inspection sticker when I put >linux on the pc in my office, but discretion caught up with me :) >I solved it by hitting Y and then holding down the u key for a while . . . What does that do? Note I don't speak with Unixed tongues. /BAH ###### From: viro@weyl.math.psu.edu (Alexander Viro) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: First Usenet post Date: 17 Feb 2000 09:05:19 -0500 Organization: -ENOENT Lines: 18 Message-ID: <88gv6v$k5q@weyl.math.psu.edu> References: <88f709$5kj$1@hawkins.cba.uni.edu> <20000217083346.17863.00000013@ng-cn1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: weyl.math.psu.edu Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.cis.ohio-state.edu!news.ems.psu.edu!news3.cac.psu.edu!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:49995 In article <20000217083346.17863.00000013@ng-cn1.aol.com>, JMFBAH wrote: >>I solved it by hitting Y and then holding down the u key for a while . . . > >What does that do? Note I don't speak with Unixed tongues. Subscribe to all those buggers. Then unsubscribe from each. The trick being: those group are in .newsrc and marked as unsubscribed, so when trn hears that server got one of those - fine, it already knows about the sucker and doesn't bother you (just keeps the current status). IOW, even though server keeps telling you about those groups again and again, newsreader doesn't pester you. 'Y' goes as answer to question whether you want to subscribe, 'u' - unsubscribe from group. -- "You're one of those condescending Unix computer users!" "Here's a nickel, kid. Get yourself a better computer" - Dilbert. ###### From: Ariel Scolnicov Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: First Usenet post Date: 17 Feb 2000 17:42:23 +0200 Organization: Compugen, Ltd. Lines: 36 Message-ID: References: <87vgep$9vk$1@hawkins.cba.uni.edu> <20000211103311.23575.00002611@ng-fu1.aol.com> <88240e$kq2$1@hawkins.cba.uni.edu> <88a2f4$gai$1@hawkins.cba.uni.edu> <950618523.5755.0.nnrp-04.9e98d142@news.demon.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.90.227.153 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: news.netvision.net.il 950802106 9461 194.90.227.153 (17 Feb 2000 15:41:46 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@netvision.net.il NNTP-Posting-Date: 17 Feb 2000 15:41:46 GMT User-Agent: Gnus/5.0802 (Gnus v5.8.2) XEmacs/20.4 (Emerald) Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!isdnet!newsfeed.icl.net!news-hub.cableinet.net!Quza.UK.peer!uunet!ams.uu.net!ffx.uu.net!news-feed.netvision.net.il!194.90.1.15.MISMATCH!news!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:50050 Ian Stirling writes: > hawk@hawkins.cba.uni.edu wrote: > >In article , David Given wrote: > >>In article <88240e$kq2$1@hawkins.cba.uni.edu>, > >> hawk@hawkins.cba.uni.edu writes: > > >>Here's the full list: > >> snipped [*.*.*.die.die.die] > > >yikes. They've been busy . . . gad, is there a limit to how many > >newsgroups trn can handle? Is that why I now get the same list of new > >groups every time I fire it up (and there's some doozies in there . . .) > > Was tempted this week, to propose a CFV for a new heirarchy, > bin.* > Where * is [ -~]* (up to a gigabyte) > > Posts would be simply made in the correct newsgroup, and could be > quite short, just discussing the files content, without any need > to transfer massive articles. > The actual file would be gotten by simply uudecoding the group name. Forget about discussing the file's contents, as this leads to problems (spam, off-topic threads, incorrect xposting, xposting to .test groups, poor manners, idiots, kooks, etc.); instead, * should uudecode to a tar file containing the article and all relevant binary files. Off-topic posting would be eliminated (indeed, we could disable posting to all newsgroups in all newsreaders to solve this problem). Newsreaders wouldn't need to have modes (group selection vs. article selection), for the same reason. Just s/newsgroup/site/g and Usenet shall rise again! -- Ariel Scolnicov ###### Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers From: ehrice@his.com (Edward Rice) Subject: Re: First Usenet post Message-ID: Organization: NDS Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2000 03:54:24 -0500 References: <38a2970a@news.iglou.com> <87vgep$9vk$1@hawkins.cba.uni.edu> <87vno1$ge$1@agate.berkeley.edu> <88230n$klf$1@hawkins.cba.uni.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: pm9-187.his.com X-Trace: 19 Feb 2000 03:53:24 -0500, pm9-187.his.com Lines: 25 X-Authenticated-User: ehrice Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newscore.univie.ac.at!194.25.134.126.MISMATCH!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!diablo.theplanet.net!news-hub.cableinet.net!newsfeed.skycache.com!news1.his.com!user Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:50079 In article , Ariel Scolnicov wrote: > "M-x dissociated-press RET" in (X)Emacs, of course. Useful for > writing documentation. > > `dissociated-press' is an interactive autoloaded Lisp function > -- autoloads from "dissociate" > > Dissociate the text of the current buffer. > Output goes in buffer named *Dissociation*, > which is redisplayed each time text is added to it. > Every so often the user must say whether to continue. > If ARG is positive, require ARG chars of continuity. > If ARG is negative, require -ARG words of continuity. > Default is 2. What would it mean to, say, "require -2 words of continuity"? Prohibit a word from appearing within two words of any word it appeared in, in the original text? Sounds like it might be a lot of fun. I'd only seen output for varying values of N in the positive range. ehr ###### From: Ariel Scolnicov Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: First Usenet post Date: 20 Feb 2000 08:42:06 +0200 Organization: Compugen, Ltd. Lines: 35 Message-ID: References: <38a2970a@news.iglou.com> <87vgep$9vk$1@hawkins.cba.uni.edu> <87vno1$ge$1@agate.berkeley.edu> <88230n$klf$1@hawkins.cba.uni.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: bioserv.compugen.co.il Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: news.netvision.net.il 951028887 19800 194.90.227.153 (20 Feb 2000 06:41:27 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@netvision.net.il NNTP-Posting-Date: 20 Feb 2000 06:41:27 GMT User-Agent: Gnus/5.0802 (Gnus v5.8.2) XEmacs/20.4 (Emerald) Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!isdnet!nntp.abs.net!uunet!ffx.uu.net!news-feed.netvision.net.il!194.90.1.15.MISMATCH!news!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:50028 ehrice@his.com (Edward Rice) writes: > In article , > Ariel Scolnicov wrote: > > > "M-x dissociated-press RET" in (X)Emacs, of course. Useful for > > writing documentation. > > > > `dissociated-press' is an interactive autoloaded Lisp function > > -- autoloads from "dissociate" > > > > Dissociate the text of the current buffer. > > Output goes in buffer named *Dissociation*, > > which is redisplayed each time text is added to it. > > Every so often the user must say whether to continue. > > If ARG is positive, require ARG chars of continuity. > > If ARG is negative, require -ARG words of continuity. > > Default is 2. > > What would it mean to, say, "require -2 words of continuity"? Prohibit a > word from appearing within two words of any word it appeared in, in the > original text? Sounds like it might be a lot of fun. I'd only seen output > for varying values of N in the positive range. This is GNU Emacs (actually XEmacs, but dissociated-press is far older than all that stuff), you know! All documentation is correct, especially when it seems absolutely wrong. The key words are "If ARG is negative, require -ARG words of continuity". As you can plainly see, it is not possible to specify -2 words of continuity. Actually, negative arguments are common in VI, too. For instance, the `G' command accepts an argument (the line # to jump to, starting at 1). Non-positive numbers count from the last line. -- Ariel Scolnicov ###### From: Brian Inglis Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: First Usenet post Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2000 20:53:00 -0700 Organization: Systematic Software Reply-To: Brian.dot.Inglis@SystematicSw.ab.ca Message-ID: References: <87vgep$9vk$1@hawkins.cba.uni.edu> <20000211103311.23575.00002611@ng-fu1.aol.com> <88240e$kq2$1@hawkins.cba.uni.edu> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.7/32.534 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.148.135.125 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.148.135.125 X-Trace: 19 Feb 2000 20:53:01 -0700, 207.148.135.125 Lines: 29 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.50.1.43 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!isdnet!netnews.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!cyclone.bc.net!newsfeed.telusplanet.net!hekyl.ab.tac.net!news.tac.net!nntp.cadvision.com!news.cadvision.com!207.148.135.125 Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:50115 On Mon, 14 Feb 2000 11:40:46 +0000, dg@pearl.tao.co.uk (David Given) wrote: >In article <88240e$kq2$1@hawkins.cba.uni.edu>, > hawk@hawkins.cba.uni.edu writes: >[...] >> After noting the barney one, I looked for other newsgroups with >> similar names. I found one something like >> alt.startrek.weslie.crusher.die.die.die -- an entire *well populated* >> newsgroup dedicated to writing star trek episodes to kill off an >> annoying character (heck, if they killed off every annoying character >> and plot crutch on that program, would *any* of them have been left?) > >Here's the full list: > >alt.barney.dinosaur.die.die.die 1 1 0 -x- >alt.barney.sponge-minions.die.die.die 1 1 933773852 -x- [snip] >alt.watford.electronics.die.die.die 1 1 933773852 -x- >alt.wesley.crusher.die.die.die 1 1 0 -x- > >The mind boggles. grep '\(\.[^\.]*\)\1\1' to get all triplicated suffix groups Thanks. Take care, Brian Inglis Calgary, Alberta, Canada -- Brian_Inglis@CSi.com (Brian dot Inglis at SystematicSw dot ab dot ca) use address above to reply ###### From: dg@pearl.tao.co.uk (David Given) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: First Usenet post Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 12:14:49 +0000 Organization: I do not speak for anyone but myself, and barely that. Lines: 24 Message-ID: References: <87vgep$9vk$1@hawkins.cba.uni.edu> <20000211103311.23575.00002611@ng-fu1.aol.com> <88240e$kq2$1@hawkins.cba.uni.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.19.67.123 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: 951152924 IIX5YQT0T437BD413C uk26.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarq.com X-Newsreader: knews 1.0b.1 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!News.Amsterdam.UnisourceCS!skynet.be!newsfeed.stanford.edu!remarQ70!remarQ.com!supernews.com!remarQ69!127.0.0.1!nobody Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:50183 In article , Brian Inglis writes: [...] >>alt.barney.dinosaur.die.die.die 1 1 0 -x- >>alt.barney.sponge-minions.die.die.die 1 1 933773852 -x- > [snip] >>alt.watford.electronics.die.die.die 1 1 933773852 -x- >>alt.wesley.crusher.die.die.die 1 1 0 -x- >> >>The mind boggles. > > grep '\(\.[^\.]*\)\1\1' to get all triplicated suffix groups Thanks. (I can work regexps, but my brain tends to explode if they get too complex.) That come up with 294 entries. I'll post the list if people are *really* interested... -- +- David Given ---------------McQ-+ "No, I won't go and see your therapist! I | Work: dg@tao-group.com | won't even go and see mine!" --- Ally | Play: dgiven@iname.com | MacBeal +- http://wired.st-and.ac.uk/~dg -+ ###### From: Ariel Scolnicov Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: First Usenet post Date: 22 Feb 2000 08:35:49 +0200 Organization: Compugen, Ltd. Lines: 16 Message-ID: References: <87vgep$9vk$1@hawkins.cba.uni.edu> <20000211103311.23575.00002611@ng-fu1.aol.com> <88240e$kq2$1@hawkins.cba.uni.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: bioserv.compugen.co.il Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: news.netvision.net.il 951201308 14112 194.90.227.153 (22 Feb 2000 06:35:08 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@netvision.net.il NNTP-Posting-Date: 22 Feb 2000 06:35:08 GMT User-Agent: Gnus/5.0802 (Gnus v5.8.2) XEmacs/20.4 (Emerald) Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!News.Amsterdam.UnisourceCS!skynet.be!hermes.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!uunet!ffx.uu.net!news-feed.netvision.net.il!194.90.1.15.MISMATCH!news!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:50168 Brian Inglis writes: > On Mon, 14 Feb 2000 11:40:46 +0000, dg@pearl.tao.co.uk (David > Given) wrote: > [...] > >alt.watford.electronics.die.die.die 1 1 933773852 -x- > [...] Watford electronics? The makers of the first WD1770-based double density drive interface kit, some sideways ROM boards, and numerous other goodies (for the BBC microcomputer, which regular readers of the groups will already have gathered was the sole spot of light in the darkness that is the history of computers)? .die.die.die?!? -- Ariel Scolnicov ###### From: Ariel Scolnicov Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: First Usenet post Date: 22 Feb 2000 08:39:23 +0200 Organization: Compugen, Ltd. Lines: 28 Message-ID: References: <87vgep$9vk$1@hawkins.cba.uni.edu> <20000211103311.23575.00002611@ng-fu1.aol.com> <88240e$kq2$1@hawkins.cba.uni.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: bioserv.compugen.co.il Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: news.netvision.net.il 951201522 14112 194.90.227.153 (22 Feb 2000 06:38:42 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@netvision.net.il NNTP-Posting-Date: 22 Feb 2000 06:38:42 GMT User-Agent: Gnus/5.0802 (Gnus v5.8.2) XEmacs/20.4 (Emerald) Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!News.Amsterdam.UnisourceCS!skynet.be!newsfeed2.news.nl.uu.net!sun4nl!uunet!ams.uu.net!ffx.uu.net!news-feed.netvision.net.il!194.90.1.15.MISMATCH!news!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:50165 dg@pearl.tao.co.uk (David Given) writes: > In article , > Brian Inglis writes: > [...] > >>alt.barney.dinosaur.die.die.die 1 1 0 -x- > >>alt.barney.sponge-minions.die.die.die 1 1 933773852 -x- > > [snip] > >>alt.watford.electronics.die.die.die 1 1 933773852 -x- > >>alt.wesley.crusher.die.die.die 1 1 0 -x- > >> > >>The mind boggles. > > > > grep '\(\.[^\.]*\)\1\1' to get all triplicated suffix groups > > Thanks. (I can work regexps, but my brain tends to explode if they get too > complex.) When is a regexp not a regular expression? > [...] Next page... ###### From: Mike Tomlinson Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: First Usenet post Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 09:42:35 +0000 Organization: The Pub Lines: 13 Message-ID: References: <87vgep$9vk$1@hawkins.cba.uni.edu> <20000211103311.23575.00002611@ng-fu1.aol.com> <88240e$kq2$1@hawkins.cba.uni.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-104.lutetium.dialup.pol.co.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Trace: news7.svr.pol.co.uk 951214689 8066 62.136.55.104 (22 Feb 2000 10:18:09 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 22 Feb 2000 10:18:09 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Turnpike (32) Version 4.01 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!News.Amsterdam.UnisourceCS!newspeer.te.net!news.indigo.ie!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!jasper.org.uk!mike Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:50159 In article , Ariel Scolnicov writes >Watford electronics? [...] .die.die.die?!? Oh yes. Do a Dejanews search for Watford and uk.comp.vendors. They may have been OK on their 8-bit days, but now they're just another PC box- shifter and have a reputation for poor service. -- Mike Tomlinson mike@jasper.org.uk ###### From: hawk@hawkins.cba.uni.edu Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers,this.is.not.a.real.newsgroup Subject: Re: First Usenet post Date: 22 Feb 2000 17:25:33 -0600 Organization: House of Hawkins Lines: 35 Message-ID: <88v5td$jdq$1@hawkins.cba.uni.edu> References: <87vgep$9vk$1@hawkins.cba.uni.edu> <88240e$kq2$1@hawkins.cba.uni.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: hawkins.cba.uni.edu Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!naxos.belnet.be!news.belnet.be!newsfeed.eurocyber.net!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.physics.uiowa.edu!news.uni.edu!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:50219 In article , Brian Inglis wrote: >grep '\(\.[^\.]*\)\1\1' to get all triplicated suffix groups I should mention that many of the newsgroups that you get from grepping the newsfeed don't exist. You can tack phony newsgroups into headers as long as there's a real newsgroup listed--look at the headers for this post. This is necessary, as not all sites carry all newsgroups. Without it, followups could only occur to those groups that the local site carried. Then again, this works a bit different than 15 years ago :) I was using rn (i think; it's been a while), and at the time, if you went to the parent of an article, if the parent wasn't crossposted to your newsgroup (i.e., someone added your group), the reader switched to that newsgroup--subscribing you if necessary. One day I was kind of startled at the topics I was seeing, and looking at the top of the page, found that I was in a newsgroup that I never heard of. I learned that day that "motss," as in net.motss, meant "meaningful other the same sex" or something like that. It seems that something there got crossposted to net.movies, and when I went backwards . . . At least it was all text back then :) today you could end up with a video of those hamster topics playing on your screen . . . (yet one more reason to stick with trn rather than a graphical reader :) hawk -- Prof. Richard E. Hawkins, Esq. hawk@hawkins.cba.uni.edu (319) 266-7114 http://eyry.econ.iastate.edu/hawk These opinions will not be those of UNI until it pays my retainer. ###### From: dg@pearl.tao.co.uk (David Given) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: First Usenet post Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 12:51:41 +0000 Organization: I do not speak for anyone but myself, and barely that. Lines: 20 Message-ID: References: <87vgep$9vk$1@hawkins.cba.uni.edu> <20000211103311.23575.00002611@ng-fu1.aol.com> <88240e$kq2$1@hawkins.cba.uni.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.19.67.123 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: 951234147 IIX5YQT0T437BD413C uk25.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarq.com X-Newsreader: knews 1.0b.1 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news.datacomm.ch!newscore.gigabell.net!ptdnetP!newsgate.ptd.net!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!remarQ70!supernews.com!remarQ69!127.0.0.1!nobody Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:50316 In article , Mike Tomlinson writes: > In article , Ariel Scolnicov > writes > >>Watford electronics? [...] .die.die.die?!? > > Oh yes. Do a Dejanews search for Watford and uk.comp.vendors. They may > have been OK on their 8-bit days, but now they're just another PC box- > shifter and have a reputation for poor service. They had a reputation for poor service even back in the BBC Micro days; late arrival of stuff, poor build quality, bad customer service, etc. Most magazines generally warned you not to buy anything from them. -- +- David Given ---------------McQ-+ Everything is controlled by a small evil | Work: dg@tao-group.com | group to which, unfortunately, no one we | Play: dgiven@iname.com | know belongs. +- http://wired.st-and.ac.uk/~dg -+ ###### From: Dave Daniels Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: First Usenet post Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 18:59:06 +0000 (GMT) Organization: None Lines: 30 Message-ID: <4994fb5fa9a__fake__address@127.0.0.1> References: <87vgep$9vk$1@hawkins.cba.uni.edu> <20000211103311.23575.00002611@ng-fu1.aol.com> <88240e$kq2$1@hawkins.cba.uni.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: useraw80.uk.uudial.com X-Trace: lure.pipex.net 951557835 6369 62.188.138.226 (26 Feb 2000 09:37:15 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@uk.uu.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 26 Feb 2000 09:37:15 GMT User-Agent: Pluto/1.11k (RISC-OS/3.8) Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!News.Amsterdam.UnisourceCS!skynet.be!newsfeed.icl.net!join.news.pipex.net!pipex!plug.news.pipex.net!pipex!tube.news.pipex.net!pipex!argonet.co.uk!argbq79 Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:50437 In article , Ariel Scolnicov wrote: > Watford electronics? The makers of the first WD1770-based double [snipped] > groups will already have gathered was the sole spot of light in the > darkness that is the history of computers)? .die.die.die?!? Going back a few years to when Watford Electronics was one of the large Acorn suppliers, they did not have a very good reputation in some quarters. I only had minor problems with them, for example, standing in the shop seemingly forever waiting to be served and buying a piece of equipment that lacked any fixing screws, but some people really hated them. They left the Acorn market some years ago to sell PCs. I do not think that their departure was followed by a prelonged bout of wailing and gnashing of teeth in the Acorn community. Dave Daniels -- ANTISPAM: Please note that the email address above is false. My correct address is: dave_danielsargonetcouk Please replace the and s with @ and . respectively when replying - Thanks! ###### From: hawk@hawkins.cba.uni.edu Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers,this.is.not.a.real.newsgroup Subject: Re: First Usenet post Date: 25 Feb 2000 18:50:42 -0600 Organization: House of Hawkins Lines: 26 Message-ID: <897812$da0$1@hawkins.cba.uni.edu> References: <87vgep$9vk$1@hawkins.cba.uni.edu> <88v5td$jdq$1@hawkins.cba.uni.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: hawkins.cba.uni.edu Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!News.Amsterdam.UnisourceCS!skynet.be!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.physics.uiowa.edu!news.uni.edu!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:50423 In article , Bill Vermillion wrote: >In article <88v5td$jdq$1@hawkins.cba.uni.edu>, > wrote: >>At least it was all text back then :) today you could end up with >>a video of those hamster topics playing on your screen . . . >You mean there's something else. I moved to trn from rn about 10+ >years ago and still haven't changed :_) There seems to be something else, yeah. It may involve selling your soul, I'm really not sure. And trn seems to be changing--I installed 4.0 instead of 3.x on my FreeBSD box at home, and it seems to be menu driven or some similarly horrible thing :( hawk -- Prof. Richard E. Hawkins, Esq. hawk@hawkins.cba.uni.edu (319) 266-7114 http://eyry.econ.iastate.edu/hawk These opinions will not be those of UNI until it pays my retainer. ###### From: benh@lsl.co.uk (Ben Hutchings) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers,this.is.not.a.real.newsgroup Subject: Re: First Usenet post Followup-To: alt.folklore.computers,this.is.not.a.real.newsgroup Date: 28 Feb 2000 13:36:50 GMT Organization: Laser-Scan Ltd. Lines: 10 Message-ID: <89dtli$2c3$2@relay.lsl.co.uk> References: <87vgep$9vk$1@hawkins.cba.uni.edu> <88v5td$jdq$1@hawkins.cba.uni.edu> <897812$da0$1@hawkins.cba.uni.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: 192.9.200.129 X-Server-Date: 28 Feb 2000 13:36:50 GMT X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!News.Amsterdam.UnisourceCS!skynet.be!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!warm.news.pipex.net!pipex!fuse.lsl.co.uk!benh Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:50515 hawk@hawkins.cba.uni.edu wrote: : And trn seems to be changing--I installed 4.0 instead of 3.x on : my FreeBSD box at home, and it seems to be menu driven or some : similarly horrible thing :( That's optional. -- Any opinions expressed are my own and not necessarily those of Laser-Scan. ###### From: john@polo.demon.co.uk (John Winters) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: First Usenet post Date: 28 Feb 2000 18:14:34 -0000 Organization: The Linux Emporium Message-ID: <89edua$s1r$1@polo.demon.co.uk> References: <87vgep$9vk$1@hawkins.cba.uni.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: unseen.linuxemporium.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: unseen.linuxemporium.co.uk:194.70.1.33 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 951761875 nnrp-03:13679 NO-IDENT unseen.linuxemporium.co.uk:194.70.1.33 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net Lines: 28 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!colt.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!unseen.linuxemporium.co.uk!polo.demon.co.uk!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:50534 In article , David Given wrote: >In article , > Mike Tomlinson writes: >> In article , Ariel Scolnicov >> writes >> >>>Watford electronics? [...] .die.die.die?!? >> >> Oh yes. Do a Dejanews search for Watford and uk.comp.vendors. They may >> have been OK on their 8-bit days, but now they're just another PC box- >> shifter and have a reputation for poor service. > >They had a reputation for poor service even back in the BBC Micro days; >late arrival of stuff, poor build quality, bad customer service, etc. Most >magazines generally warned you not to buy anything from them. I doubt magazines went quite that far. When the business operated from the front room of a terraced house in Watford they were quite good. Soon after they moved into their first purpose-built premises they acquired a very bad reputation. John -- John Winters. Wallingford, Oxon, England. The Linux Emporium - the source for Linux CDs in the UK See http://www.linuxemporium.co.uk/ ###### From: jmfbahciv@aol.com Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: First Usenet post Date: Tue, 29 Feb 00 10:48:58 GMT Organization: UltraNet Communications, Inc. Lines: 28 Message-ID: <89gdlo$4g0$3@bob.news.rcn.net> References: <87vgep$9vk$1@hawkins.cba.uni.edu> <897812$da0$1@hawkins.cba.uni.edu> <89dtli$2c3$2@relay.lsl.co.uk> <89eumv$qe$1@hawkins.cba.uni.edu> X-Trace: 5lj/hGgBkeV1a/NqE3972/ifBUQKfAO6109a1j4ZGug= X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 29 Feb 2000 12:22:16 GMT X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #4 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!207-172-245-37 Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:50633 [snip a very strange newsgroup] In article <89eumv$qe$1@hawkins.cba.uni.edu>, hawk@hawkins.cba.uni.edu wrote: >In article <89dtli$2c3$2@relay.lsl.co.uk>, >Ben Hutchings wrote: >>hawk@hawkins.cba.uni.edu wrote: >> >>: And trn seems to be changing--I installed 4.0 instead of 3.x on >>: my FreeBSD box at home, and it seems to be menu driven or some >>: similarly horrible thing :( > >>That's optional. > >That's good news. But it *should* have figured out to stick with old >behavior, or at least give me an option. I've come to expect these >whimsical changes from debian, but not when I'm using FreeBSD (I'm still >fighting a couple of developer's preferences changes from slink to >potato, trying to get my box to work the way I've spent a couple >of years chooseing . . . We never had slinks or potatoes (that I know of..the guys might not have told me about those critters). Have your potatoes grown eyes yet? Or did the slinks eat them. /BAH Subtract a hundred and four for e-mail. ###### From: hawk@hawkins.cba.uni.edu Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers,this.is.not.a.real.newsgroup Subject: Re: First Usenet post Date: 28 Feb 2000 17:00:47 -0600 Organization: House of Hawkins Lines: 23 Message-ID: <89eumv$qe$1@hawkins.cba.uni.edu> References: <87vgep$9vk$1@hawkins.cba.uni.edu> <897812$da0$1@hawkins.cba.uni.edu> <89dtli$2c3$2@relay.lsl.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: hawkins.cba.uni.edu Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!News.Amsterdam.UnisourceCS!skynet.be!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.physics.uiowa.edu!news.uni.edu!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:50668 In article <89dtli$2c3$2@relay.lsl.co.uk>, Ben Hutchings wrote: >hawk@hawkins.cba.uni.edu wrote: > >: And trn seems to be changing--I installed 4.0 instead of 3.x on >: my FreeBSD box at home, and it seems to be menu driven or some >: similarly horrible thing :( >That's optional. That's good news. But it *should* have figured out to stick with old behavior, or at least give me an option. I've come to expect these whimsical changes from debian, but not when I'm using FreeBSD (I'm still fighting a couple of developer's preferences changes from slink to potato, trying to get my box to work the way I've spent a couple of years chooseing . . . hawk -- Prof. Richard E. Hawkins, Esq. hawk@hawkins.cba.uni.edu (319) 266-7114 http://eyry.econ.iastate.edu/hawk These opinions will not be those of UNI until it pays my retainer. ###### From: viro@weyl.math.psu.edu (Alexander Viro) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: First Usenet post Date: 29 Feb 2000 09:23:51 -0500 Organization: -ENOENT Lines: 17 Message-ID: <89gkpn$lcq@weyl.math.psu.edu> References: <87vgep$9vk$1@hawkins.cba.uni.edu> <89dtli$2c3$2@relay.lsl.co.uk> <89eumv$qe$1@hawkins.cba.uni.edu> <89gdlo$4g0$3@bob.news.rcn.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: weyl.math.psu.edu Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!isdnet!netnews.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.cis.ohio-state.edu!news.ems.psu.edu!news3.cac.psu.edu!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:50655 In article <89gdlo$4g0$3@bob.news.rcn.net>, wrote: >We never had slinks or potatoes (that I know of..the guys >might not have told me about those critters). Have your >potatoes grown eyes yet? Or did the slinks eat them. ;-) Debian folks got burned early... when some cretin grabbed the beta from ftp.debian.org and released it on CDs... and didn't care to mention that it was beta. Since then they decided that having a directory . is Asking For Trouble(tm) and went for codenames. Number is officially assigned when they do release. Codename stands from the beginning of the cycle. slink == 2.1, potato is going to be 2.2 (in freeze now). The next one is going to be woody... -- "You're one of those condescending Unix computer users!" "Here's a nickel, kid. Get yourself a better computer" - Dilbert. ###### From: jmfbahciv@aol.com Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: First Usenet post Date: Wed, 01 Mar 00 14:29:57 GMT Organization: UltraNet Communications, Inc. Lines: 45 Message-ID: <89jf0a$44b$6@bob.news.rcn.net> References: <87vgep$9vk$1@hawkins.cba.uni.edu> <89eumv$qe$1@hawkins.cba.uni.edu> <89gdlo$4g0$3@bob.news.rcn.net> <89gkpn$lcq@weyl.math.psu.edu> <89hjns$640$1@hawkins.cba.uni.edu> X-Trace: eZcdeOtEr9cVE2mt1gt9kl8MUkFKZmmSy+ggEyFAgeo= X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 1 Mar 2000 16:03:22 GMT X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #4 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!isdnet!netnews.com!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!209-122-234-110 Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:50722 In article <89hjns$640$1@hawkins.cba.uni.edu>, hawk@hawkins.cba.uni.edu wrote: >In article <89gkpn$lcq@weyl.math.psu.edu>, >Alexander Viro wrote: >>In article <89gdlo$4g0$3@bob.news.rcn.net>, wrote: > >>>We never had slinks or potatoes (that I know of..the guys >>>might not have told me about those critters). Have your >>>potatoes grown eyes yet? Or did the slinks eat them. > >>;-) Debian folks got burned early... when some cretin grabbed the beta from >>ftp.debian.org and released it on CDs... and didn't care to mention that it >>was beta. Since then they decided that having a directory . >>is Asking For Trouble(tm) and went for codenames. Number is officially assigned >>when they do release. Codename stands from the beginning of the cycle. >>slink == 2.1, potato is going to be 2.2 (in freeze now). The next one is going >>to be woody... > >The names are from Toy Story, made by Pixar, where the former Big Cheese >(Bruce Perens) previously worked. What's a Toy Story? From the capitalization, I have to assume it could be a TV show, a book, a company, ... > >But potato ate my slink, yes. I still can't run X jobs from remote >machines on my display; yet another change in default behavior that I >don't have time to track down . . . Well, Hawk, we used to call that breaking in. > >Come to think of it, I've *never* seen a refusal to connect to a client >possessing either the correct xauth code, or after the use of a "xhost +", >but this is doing both . . . At least it's not hanging loose. /BAH Subtract a hundred and four for e-mail. ###### From: jmfbahciv@aol.com Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: First Usenet post Date: Wed, 01 Mar 00 14:25:52 GMT Organization: UltraNet Communications, Inc. Lines: 26 Message-ID: <89jeom$44b$5@bob.news.rcn.net> References: <87vgep$9vk$1@hawkins.cba.uni.edu> <89dtli$2c3$2@relay.lsl.co.uk> <89eumv$qe$1@hawkins.cba.uni.edu> <89gdlo$4g0$3@bob.news.rcn.net> <89gkpn$lcq@weyl.math.psu.edu> X-Trace: vprmFM1w9m1FIRoahNivgkxlBYceUoj24zDGC3h2NhU= X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 1 Mar 2000 15:59:18 GMT X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #4 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!enews.sgi.com!korova!korova.insync.net!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!209-122-234-110 Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:50728 In article <89gkpn$lcq@weyl.math.psu.edu>, viro@weyl.math.psu.edu (Alexander Viro) wrote: >In article <89gdlo$4g0$3@bob.news.rcn.net>, wrote: > >>We never had slinks or potatoes (that I know of..the guys >>might not have told me about those critters). Have your >>potatoes grown eyes yet? Or did the slinks eat them. > >;-) Debian folks got burned early... when some cretin >grabbed the beta from ftp.debian.org and released it >on CDs... and didn't care to mention that it >was beta. Since then they decided that having a >directory . >is Asking For Trouble(tm) and went for codenames. >Number is officially assigned >when they do release. Codename stands from the beginning of the cycle. >slink == 2.1, potato is going to be 2.2 (in freeze now). >The next one is going to be woody... > That's awful. Source management should be based on the edit level not some random choice of unordered words. /BAH Subtract a hundred and four for e-mail. ###### From: hawk@hawkins.cba.uni.edu Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: First Usenet post Date: 29 Feb 2000 17:11:56 -0600 Organization: House of Hawkins Lines: 33 Message-ID: <89hjns$640$1@hawkins.cba.uni.edu> References: <87vgep$9vk$1@hawkins.cba.uni.edu> <89eumv$qe$1@hawkins.cba.uni.edu> <89gdlo$4g0$3@bob.news.rcn.net> <89gkpn$lcq@weyl.math.psu.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: hawkins.cba.uni.edu Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!isdnet!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.physics.uiowa.edu!news.uni.edu!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:50752 In article <89gkpn$lcq@weyl.math.psu.edu>, Alexander Viro wrote: >In article <89gdlo$4g0$3@bob.news.rcn.net>, wrote: >>We never had slinks or potatoes (that I know of..the guys >>might not have told me about those critters). Have your >>potatoes grown eyes yet? Or did the slinks eat them. >;-) Debian folks got burned early... when some cretin grabbed the beta from >ftp.debian.org and released it on CDs... and didn't care to mention that it >was beta. Since then they decided that having a directory . >is Asking For Trouble(tm) and went for codenames. Number is officially assigned >when they do release. Codename stands from the beginning of the cycle. >slink == 2.1, potato is going to be 2.2 (in freeze now). The next one is going >to be woody... The names are from Toy Story, made by Pixar, where the former Big Cheese (Bruce Perens) previously worked. But potato ate my slink, yes. I still can't run X jobs from remote machines on my display; yet another change in default behavior that I don't have time to track down . . . Come to think of it, I've *never* seen a refusal to connect to a client possessing either the correct xauth code, or after the use of a "xhost +", but this is doing both . . . -- Prof. Richard E. Hawkins, Esq. hawk@hawkins.cba.uni.edu (319) 266-7114 http://eyry.econ.iastate.edu/hawk These opinions will not be those of UNI until it pays my retainer. ###### From: bjh21@cus.cam.ac.uk (Ben Harris) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: First Usenet post Date: 1 Mar 2000 16:31:55 GMT Organization: University of Cambridge, England Lines: 31 Message-ID: <89jglr$j75$1@pegasus.csx.cam.ac.uk> References: <87vgep$9vk$1@hawkins.cba.uni.edu> <89gdlo$4g0$3@bob.news.rcn.net> <89gkpn$lcq@weyl.math.psu.edu> <89jeom$44b$5@bob.news.rcn.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: ursa.cus.cam.ac.uk Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!isdnet!news-MUC.ecrc.net!news-mue1.dfn.de!news-stu1.dfn.de!news-koe1.dfn.de!news.rhrz.uni-bonn.de!fu-berlin.de!server1.netnews.ja.net!pegasus.csx.cam.ac.uk!bjh21 Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:50765 In article <89jeom$44b$5@bob.news.rcn.net>, wrote: >In article <89gkpn$lcq@weyl.math.psu.edu>, > viro@weyl.math.psu.edu (Alexander Viro) wrote: >>;-) Debian folks got burned early... when some cretin >>grabbed the beta from ftp.debian.org and released it >>on CDs... and didn't care to mention that it >>was beta. Since then they decided that having a >>directory . >>is Asking For Trouble(tm) and went for codenames. >>Number is officially assigned >>when they do release. Codename stands from the beginning of the cycle. >>slink == 2.1, potato is going to be 2.2 (in freeze now). >>The next one is going to be woody... >> > >That's awful. Source management should be based on the edit >level not some random choice of unordered words. This isn't source management -- it's large-scale release management. The source packages all have version numbers, with a defined ordering between them, and individual source files are mostly maintained by entirely different people. The release codenames are mostly used internally to identify unreleased releases (as it were). Once they're released, they get nice shiny numbers like 2.1r4. The difference is that the set of packages (and package versions) that makes up 2.1r4 is fixed, while the set that makes up potato changes from day to day. -- Ben Harris Unix Support, University of Cambridge Computing Service. If I wanted to speak for the University, I'd be in ucam.comp-serv.announce. ###### From: jmfbahciv@aol.com Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: First Usenet post Date: Thu, 02 Mar 00 10:32:50 GMT Organization: UltraNet Communications, Inc. Lines: 36 Message-ID: <89llg3$bk8$5@bob.news.rcn.net> References: <87vgep$9vk$1@hawkins.cba.uni.edu> <89gdlo$4g0$3@bob.news.rcn.net> <89gkpn$lcq@weyl.math.psu.edu> <89jeom$44b$5@bob.news.rcn.net> <89jglr$j75$1@pegasus.csx.cam.ac.uk> X-Trace: 81OM6EPe7tx6amuxqkqLjkBdNTyKMxnmJnLNOIRqSQ8= X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 2 Mar 2000 12:06:27 GMT X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #4 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!207-172-102-54 Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:50835 In article <89jglr$j75$1@pegasus.csx.cam.ac.uk>, bjh21@cus.cam.ac.uk (Ben Harris) wrote: >In article <89jeom$44b$5@bob.news.rcn.net>, wrote: >>In article <89gkpn$lcq@weyl.math.psu.edu>, >> viro@weyl.math.psu.edu (Alexander Viro) wrote: >>>;-) Debian folks got burned early... when some cretin >>>grabbed the beta from ftp.debian.org and released it >>>on CDs... and didn't care to mention that it >>>was beta. Since then they decided that having a >>>directory . >>>is Asking For Trouble(tm) and went for codenames. >>>Number is officially assigned >>>when they do release. Codename stands from the beginning of the cycle. >>>slink == 2.1, potato is going to be 2.2 (in freeze now). >>>The next one is going to be woody... >>> >> >>That's awful. Source management should be based on the edit >>level not some random choice of unordered words. > >This isn't source management -- it's large-scale release management. The >source packages all have version numbers, with a defined ordering between >them, and individual source files are mostly maintained by entirely >different people. The release codenames are mostly used internally to >identify unreleased releases (as it were). Once they're released, they get >nice shiny numbers like 2.1r4. The difference is that the set of packages >(and package versions) that makes up 2.1r4 is fixed, while the set that >makes up potato changes from day to day. > This is one of the main parts of source management. It took us 20 years to figure how to do it well. /BAH Subtract a hundred and four for e-mail. ###### From: benh@lsl.co.uk (Ben Hutchings) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: First Usenet post Date: 1 Mar 2000 18:46:03 GMT Organization: Laser-Scan Ltd. Lines: 22 Message-ID: <89johb$9j8$1@relay.lsl.co.uk> References: <87vgep$9vk$1@hawkins.cba.uni.edu> <89eumv$qe$1@hawkins.cba.uni.edu> <89gdlo$4g0$3@bob.news.rcn.net> <89gkpn$lcq@weyl.math.psu.edu> <89hjns$640$1@hawkins.cba.uni.edu> <89jf0a$44b$6@bob.news.rcn.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 192.9.200.129 X-Server-Date: 1 Mar 2000 18:46:03 GMT X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newscore.univie.ac.at!194.25.134.126.MISMATCH!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!newsfeed.tli.de!newsfeed.direct.ca!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!warm.news.pipex.net!pipex!fuse.lsl.co.uk!benh Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:50825 jmfbahciv@aol.com wrote: : In article <89hjns$640$1@hawkins.cba.uni.edu>, : hawk@hawkins.cba.uni.edu wrote: : >In article <89gkpn$lcq@weyl.math.psu.edu>, : >Alexander Viro wrote: : >>In article <89gdlo$4g0$3@bob.news.rcn.net>, wrote: : > : >>>We never had slinks or potatoes (that I know of..the guys : >>>might not have told me about those critters). Have your : >>>potatoes grown eyes yet? Or did the slinks eat them. : >The names are from Toy Story, made by Pixar, where the former Big Cheese : >(Bruce Perens) previously worked. : What's a Toy Story? From the capitalization, I have to assume : it could be a TV show, a book, a company, ... It's a film, er, movie. Entirely animated in 3D. Rather well publicised when it was released, as was its sequel (recently released in the UK). -- Any opinions expressed are my own and not necessarily those of Laser-Scan. ###### From: hawk@hawkins.cba.uni.edu Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: First Usenet post Date: 1 Mar 2000 13:20:51 -0600 Organization: House of Hawkins Lines: 43 Message-ID: <89jqij$auu$1@hawkins.cba.uni.edu> References: <87vgep$9vk$1@hawkins.cba.uni.edu> <89gkpn$lcq@weyl.math.psu.edu> <89hjns$640$1@hawkins.cba.uni.edu> <89jf0a$44b$6@bob.news.rcn.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: hawkins.cba.uni.edu Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!enews.sgi.com!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.physics.uiowa.edu!news.uni.edu!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:50881 In article <89jf0a$44b$6@bob.news.rcn.net>, wrote: >In article <89hjns$640$1@hawkins.cba.uni.edu>, > hawk@hawkins.cba.uni.edu wrote: >>The names are from Toy Story, made by Pixar, where the former Big Cheese >>(Bruce Perens) previously worked. >What's a Toy Story? From the capitalization, I have to assume >it could be a TV show, a book, a company, ... A very popular movie from a couple of years ago. It was done with computer animation. The toys can move around when noone is watching, and have to rescue one that gets lost in the move. There was a sequel last summer that was actually better than the original. It was really for parents, not kids :) >>But potato ate my slink, yes. I still can't run X jobs from remote >>machines on my display; yet another change in default behavior that I >>don't have time to track down . . . >Well, Hawk, we used to call that breaking in. awe, but not when Both machnes are mine, and I just need to use the remote one . . . I'm within an inch of stripping debian from this machine and installing freebsd, even though it gets swapped for another machine in a couple of weeks. >>Come to think of it, I've *never* seen a refusal to connect to a client >>possessing either the correct xauth code, or after the use of a "xhost +", >>but this is doing both . . . >At least it's not hanging loose. No, that's for the physcial cover :) -- Prof. Richard E. Hawkins, Esq. hawk@hawkins.cba.uni.edu (319) 266-7114 http://eyry.econ.iastate.edu/hawk These opinions will not be those of UNI until it pays my retainer. ###### Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!not-for-mail From: Neil Franklin Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: First Usenet post Date: 02 Mar 2000 22:15:00 +0100 Organization: My own Private Self Lines: 27 Message-ID: <6u9001cbvv.fsf@chonsp.franklin.ch> References: <87vgep$9vk$1@hawkins.cba.uni.edu> <89gkpn$lcq@weyl.math.psu.edu> <89hjns$640$1@hawkins.cba.uni.edu> <89jf0a$44b$6@bob.news.rcn.net> <89jqij$auu$1@hawkins.cba.uni.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: chonsp.franklin.ch X-Trace: chonsp.franklin.ch 952031700 593 10.0.3.2 (2 Mar 2000 21:15:00 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news@chonsp.franklin.ch NNTP-Posting-Date: 2 Mar 2000 21:15:00 GMT X-Newsreader: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:50933 hawk@hawkins.cba.uni.edu writes: > In article <89jf0a$44b$6@bob.news.rcn.net>, wrote: > >In article <89hjns$640$1@hawkins.cba.uni.edu>, > > hawk@hawkins.cba.uni.edu wrote: > > >>But potato ate my slink, yes. I still can't run X jobs from remote > >>machines on my display; yet another change in default behavior that I > >>don't have time to track down . . . > > I'm within an inch of stripping debian from this machine and installing > freebsd, even though it gets swapped for another machine in a couple > of weeks. Or strip Debian and then use Slackware Linux. The _real_ Linux for those that do not fear computers. It was the best over 5 years ago (that is nearly a.f.c level among Linuxes) and still is. Has all the stuff one needs and none of that no one sane wants (such as drool proof luser install and config tools that keep on messing up). Just the works, ma'am. -- Neil Franklin, neil@franklin.ch.remove http://neil.franklin.ch/ Nerd, Geek, Hacker, Unix Guru, Sysadmin, Roleplayer, Mystic Computer: a toy, speeds work so that you have more time to play ###### From: jmfbahciv@aol.com Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: First Usenet post Date: Fri, 03 Mar 00 11:05:48 GMT Organization: UltraNet Communications, Inc. Lines: 31 Message-ID: <89obq8$6l3$3@bob.news.rcn.net> References: <87vgep$9vk$1@hawkins.cba.uni.edu> <89gkpn$lcq@weyl.math.psu.edu> <89hjns$640$1@hawkins.cba.uni.edu> <89jf0a$44b$6@bob.news.rcn.net> <89jqij$auu$1@hawkins.cba.uni.edu> <6u9001cbvv.fsf@chonsp.franklin.ch> X-Trace: YXrxshmJYTsWDZfzhQq2XaIlGlAnk/5MG7XGEZW8tzc= X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 3 Mar 2000 12:39:36 GMT X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #4 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newsfeeds.belnet.be!news.belnet.be!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.icl.net!netnews.com!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!216-164-247-246 Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:50964 In article <6u9001cbvv.fsf@chonsp.franklin.ch>, Neil Franklin wrote: >hawk@hawkins.cba.uni.edu writes: > >> In article <89jf0a$44b$6@bob.news.rcn.net>, wrote: >> >In article <89hjns$640$1@hawkins.cba.uni.edu>, >> > hawk@hawkins.cba.uni.edu wrote: >> >> >>But potato ate my slink, yes. I still can't run X jobs from remote >> >>machines on my display; yet another change in default behavior that I >> >>don't have time to track down . . . >> >> I'm within an inch of stripping debian from this machine and installing >> freebsd, even though it gets swapped for another machine in a couple >> of weeks. > >Or strip Debian and then use Slackware Linux. The _real_ Linux for >those that do not fear computers. It was the best over 5 years ago >(that is nearly a.f.c level among Linuxes) and still is. > >Has all the stuff one needs and none of that no one sane wants (such >as drool proof luser install and config tools that keep on messing >up). Just the works, ma'am. > Aw, shucks. I thought drooling was what grownups did. /BAH Subtract a hundred and four for e-mail. ###### From: simotit@evitech.fi (Simo Tuominen) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: First Usenet post Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2000 08:42:40 GMT Organization: Espoo-Vantaa Institute of Technology Lines: 27 Message-ID: <38c19406.111589214@lan1.miu.uni-duesseldorf.de> References: <87vgep$9vk$1@hawkins.cba.uni.edu> <89gkpn$lcq@weyl.math.psu.edu> <89hjns$640$1@hawkins.cba.uni.edu> <89jf0a$44b$6@bob.news.rcn.net> <89jqij$auu$1@hawkins.cba.uni.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: lan1.miu.uni-duesseldorf.de X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!fu-berlin.de!RRZ.Uni-Koeln.DE!news.rz.uni-duesseldorf.de!usenet Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:51253 On 1 Mar 2000 13:20:51 -0600, hawk@hawkins.cba.uni.edu wrote: >In article <89jf0a$44b$6@bob.news.rcn.net>, wrote: >>In article <89hjns$640$1@hawkins.cba.uni.edu>, >> hawk@hawkins.cba.uni.edu wrote: [snippage] >>>But potato ate my slink, yes. I still can't run X jobs from remote >>>machines on my display; yet another change in default behavior that I >>>don't have time to track down . . . > >>Well, Hawk, we used to call that breaking in. > >awe, but not when Both machnes are mine, and I just need to use the remote >one . . . > >I'm within an inch of stripping debian from this machine and installing >freebsd, even though it gets swapped for another machine in a couple >of weeks. Well, since you'll use the power and bandwidth anyway, why don't you try VNC? Took me all of twenty minutes to install, including reading thw install instructions. tar xfz, copy a few files to /usr/local/bin, edit the vncserver script and $HOME/.vnc/xstartup to set up the server, and the client is a single file (or at least the Win32 version is; X version probably too, but I haven't installed it yet, because I can't imagine why I'd want to use Windows remotely (except to joke about Windows being "remotely usable";)). ###### From: Tom Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: First Usenet post Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2000 17:42:40 +0000 Organization: None whatsoever Lines: 37 Message-ID: <38C69110.3B96FA59@ncl.ac.uk> References: <87vgep$9vk$1@hawkins.cba.uni.edu> <89gkpn$lcq@weyl.math.psu.edu> <89hjns$640$1@hawkins.cba.uni.edu> <89jf0a$44b$6@bob.news.rcn.net> <89jqij$auu$1@hawkins.cba.uni.edu> <38c19406.111589214@lan1.miu.uni-duesseldorf.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: black51.ncl.ac.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!News.Amsterdam.UnisourceCS!skynet.be!news.algonet.se!algonet!newsfeed.wirehub.nl!easynet-tele!easynet.net!server5.netnews.ja.net!news.ncl.ac.uk!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.folklore.computers:51558 Simo Tuominen wrote: > Well, since you'll use the power and bandwidth anyway, why don't you > try VNC? Took me all of twenty minutes to install, including reading > thw install instructions. tar xfz, copy a few files to /usr/local/bin, > edit the vncserver script and $HOME/.vnc/xstartup to set up the > server, and the client is a single file (or at least the Win32 version > is; X version probably too, but I haven't installed it yet, because I > can't imagine why I'd want to use Windows remotely (except to joke > about Windows being "remotely usable";)). FWIW I'll second the vnc thing; it seems quite usable, though I only used it for about 20 minutes. I was expecting it to be disappointing compared to (say) eXceed or somesuch, but actually it's quite usable. VNC can also be used to obtain the magic portal effect; you can do this with screen zoomer programs as well but the addition of a network into the equation somehow makes it a bit better. The 8-step plan, for the uninitiated: 0. Ensure you are easily amused. 1. Start vnc on NT 2. Run vncserver on NT 3. Attach to unix vncserver (already running on unix machine) 4. Through vnc window on NT, use vnc on unix machine to attach back to NT machine. 5. Move windows until the portal effect appears. 6. Keep moving windows, admire for 30 seconds. 7. Snap out of it and do something productive :-) Warning: step 0 is vital ;-) -- --Tom this space filled with | this space not filled with this space filled this intentionally | with this intentionally unintentionally