From: Tim Shoppa Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers,comp.os.vms,alt.folklore.urban,alt.comics.dilbert Subject: Bible Code Part 2, or proof that God likes big round numbers :-) Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 09:26:43 -0400 Organization: Trailing Edge Technology Lines: 24 Message-ID: <386730D3.517351FD@trailing-edge.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: timaxp.trailing-edge.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ffx2nh5.news.uu.net 946304804 29630 63.73.218.130 (27 Dec 1999 14:26:44 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news@ffx2nh5.news.uu.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 27 Dec 1999 14:26:44 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.03Gold (X11; I; OpenVMS V7.0 DEC 3000 Model 300L) Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!uunet!ffx.uu.net!ffx2nh5!not-for-mail "The Bible Code" Part 2, or Proof that God likes big round numbers :-) We all know that in the year 1000 that there were millennialists who believed that it would be the end of the world, but it didn't happen. Two of the implicit assumptions of millennialism is that God likes big round numbers, and that He uses a base ten number system. I've just discovered proof of the first: Take any version of the Bible, in any language, in any version. Assign numbers to all the letters; i.e. if you're using English, set A=1, B=2, C=3, ... Z=26. Now multiply all the numbers which represent the letters together. If you take a look at the resulting number, which is of course hundreds of pages long, you'll notice that it ends with HUNDREDS of THOUSANDS of ZEROES! What are the chances of that? :-). Unfortunately for Human millennialists, you can do the above calculation in just about any smallish number base and prove that this applies for alien species, no matter *how* many fingers they have, as well! -- Tim. (shoppa@trailing-edge.com) ###### From: linley@megami.org (Bruce Linley) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers,comp.os.vms,alt.folklore.urban,alt.comics.dilbert Subject: Re: Bible Code Part 2, or proof that God likes big round numbers :-) Date: 27 Dec 1999 12:37:21 -0800 Organization: Megami no Belldandy-sama no deshi Lines: 16 Message-ID: <848im1$rbk$1@megami.org> References: <386730D3.517351FD@trailing-edge.com> X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!News.Amsterdam.UnisourceCS!newspeer.te.net!news.indigo.ie!diablo.theplanet.net!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!remarQ-uK!rQdQ!supernews.com!remarQ.com!corp.supernews.com!localhost!not-for-mail In ye olden post Tim Shoppa spake... >"The Bible Code" Part 2, or Proof that God likes big round numbers :-) > >We all know that in the year 1000 that there were millennialists >who believed that it would be the end of the world, but it didn't >happen. Of course nothing happened... not until 1024 when the dark ages began! Besides we all know the *real* millennium doesn't start until 2048! -- Bruce James Robert Linley | +---+---+--_ | "Tea is always bitter but... linley at megami dot org | | |NV | UT | blood is warm and sweet." Programmer, Fortunet Inc. | \ CA \ |___ | Las Vegas, Nevada, USA ----------> \*| AZ | - Miyu ###### From: "Bill Todd" Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers,comp.os.vms,alt.folklore.urban,alt.comics.dilbert Subject: Re: Bible Code Part 2, or proof that God likes big round numbers :-) Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 14:14:37 -0500 Organization: Why won't Outlook let me leave this blank? Lines: 35 Message-ID: <848dm4$760$1@pyrite.mv.net> References: <386730D3.517351FD@trailing-edge.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: bnh-3-22.mv.com X-Trace: pyrite.mv.net 946321924 7360 199.125.99.150 (27 Dec 1999 19:12:04 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@mv.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 27 Dec 1999 19:12:04 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.mv.net!not-for-mail As with so many results in computerdom, this one is language-dependent. For example, in a language with only 4 letters, one could easily come to the conclusion that God was exceptionally fond of binary (with the occasional 3 thrown in to relieve the celestial monotony). - bill Tim Shoppa wrote in message news:386730D3.517351FD@trailing-edge.com... > "The Bible Code" Part 2, or Proof that God likes big round numbers :-) > > We all know that in the year 1000 that there were millennialists > who believed that it would be the end of the world, but it didn't > happen. > > Two of the implicit assumptions of millennialism is that God likes > big round numbers, and that He uses a base ten number system. I've > just discovered proof of the first: > > Take any version of the Bible, in any language, in any version. > Assign numbers to all the letters; i.e. if you're using English, > set A=1, B=2, C=3, ... Z=26. Now multiply all the numbers > which represent the letters together. If you take a look > at the resulting number, which is of course hundreds of pages > long, you'll notice that it ends with HUNDREDS of THOUSANDS > of ZEROES! What are the chances of that? :-). > > Unfortunately for Human millennialists, you can do the above calculation > in just about any smallish number base and prove that this applies > for alien species, no matter *how* many fingers they have, as well! > > -- > Tim. (shoppa@trailing-edge.com) ###### From: "Adie" Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers,comp.os.vms,alt.folklore.urban,alt.comics.dilbert References: <386730D3.517351FD@trailing-edge.com> Subject: Re: Bible Code Part 2, or proof that God likes big round numbers :-) Lines: 28 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Message-ID: <8UK94.1699$x4.38413@nnrp4.clara.net> Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 14:41:08 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.126.135.165 X-Complaints-To: abuse@clara.net X-Trace: nnrp4.clara.net 946305668 212.126.135.165 (Mon, 27 Dec 1999 14:41:08 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 14:41:08 GMT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.tli.de!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.icl.net!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!nnrp4.clara.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Tim Shoppa wrote in message > "The Bible Code" Part 2, or Proof that God likes big round numbers :-) > > We all know that in the year 1000 that there were millennialists > who believed that it would be the end of the world, but it didn't > happen. > > Two of the implicit assumptions of millennialism is that God likes > big round numbers, and that He uses a base ten number system. I've > just discovered proof of the first: > > Take any version of the Bible, in any language, in any version. > Assign numbers to all the letters; i.e. if you're using English, > set A=1, B=2, C=3, ... Z=26. Now multiply all the numbers > which represent the letters together. If you take a look > at the resulting number, which is of course hundreds of pages > long, you'll notice that it ends with HUNDREDS of THOUSANDS > of ZEROES! What are the chances of that? :-). > > Unfortunately for Human millennialists, you can do the above calculation > in just about any smallish number base and prove that this applies > for alien species, no matter *how* many fingers they have, as well! This fella is nothing to do with us, well I dont thinks he is. Are you mate?? ###### From: jsavard@tenMAPSONeerf.edmonton.ab.ca (John Savard) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers,comp.os.vms,alt.folklore.urban,alt.comics.dilbert Subject: Re: Bible Code Part 2, or proof that God likes big round numbers :-) Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 19:03:03 GMT Organization: Edmonton Community Network Lines: 21 Message-ID: <3867b78c.1436120@news.ecn.ab.ca> References: <386730D3.517351FD@trailing-edge.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: freenet.edmonton.ab.ca X-Trace: newsfeed.sas.ab.ca 946321639 13847 198.161.206.2 (27 Dec 1999 19:07:19 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news@sas.ab.ca NNTP-Posting-Date: 27 Dec 1999 19:07:19 GMT X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newsfeed.mathworks.com!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!cyclone.bc.net!rover.ucs.ualberta.ca!sas.ab.ca!ecn.ab.ca!198.161.206.161 On Mon, 27 Dec 1999 09:26:43 -0400, Tim Shoppa wrote: > Take any version of the Bible, in any language, in any version. > Assign numbers to all the letters; i.e. if you're using English, > set A=1, B=2, C=3, ... Z=26. Now multiply all the numbers > which represent the letters together. If you take a look > at the resulting number, which is of course hundreds of pages > long, you'll notice that it ends with HUNDREDS of THOUSANDS > of ZEROES! What are the chances of that? :-). The probability is close to 1, since most versions of the Bible contain thousands of the letter E (E=5) and about every second letter codes to an even number, hence the resulting number should be a multiple of a large power of 10. (I know you knew this, but there will be people who might be misled...) John Savard (teneerf <-) http://www.ecn.ab.ca/~jsavard/index.html ###### From: Tim Bradshaw Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers,comp.os.vms,alt.folklore.urban,alt.comics.dilbert Subject: Re: Bible Code Part 2, or proof that God likes big round numbers :-) Date: 27 Dec 1999 20:22:32 +0000 Organization: Cley Ltd Sender: tfb@lostwithiel Message-ID: References: <386730D3.517351FD@trailing-edge.com> <3867b78c.1436120@news.ecn.ab.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: lostwithiel.cley.com X-NNTP-Posting-Host: lostwithiel.cley.com:212.240.242.98 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 946326902 nnrp-07:24944 NO-IDENT lostwithiel.cley.com:212.240.242.98 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net X-Newsreader: Gnus v5.6.45/XEmacs 21.1 - "Bryce Canyon" Lines: 14 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!isdnet!newsfeed.icl.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!lostwithiel.cley.com!lostwithiel!nobody * John Savard wrote: > The probability is close to 1, since most versions of the Bible > contain thousands of the letter E (E=5) and about every second letter > codes to an even number, hence the resulting number should be a > multiple of a large power of 10. This reminds me of the first time I used a system with bignums (big integers). The obvious thing you do is write factorial, and compute the factorial of a largish number. It took several seconds for me to realise that all those trailing zeros were *right*, not an artifact of some secret bug in the bignum arithmetic. --tim ###### From: cjt&trefoil Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers,comp.os.vms,alt.folklore.urban,alt.comics.dilbert Subject: Re: Bible Code Part 2, or proof that God likes big round numbers :-) Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 02:00:49 -0600 Organization: Prodigy Internet http://www.prodigy.com Lines: 30 Message-ID: <38686E31.32A1@prodigy.net> References: <386730D3.517351FD@trailing-edge.com> Reply-To: cheljuba@prodigy.net NNTP-Posting-Host: nas-52-49.austin.navinet.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: newssvr03-int.news.prodigy.com 946368094 2709921 216.67.52.49 (28 Dec 1999 08:01:34 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@prodigy.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 28 Dec 1999 08:01:34 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04 (Win95; U) Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!newscon01.news.prodigy.com!news-k12.news.prodigy.com!prodigy.com!not-for-mail Tim Shoppa wrote: > > "The Bible Code" Part 2, or Proof that God likes big round numbers :-) > > We all know that in the year 1000 that there were millennialists > who believed that it would be the end of the world, but it didn't > happen. > > Two of the implicit assumptions of millennialism is that God likes > big round numbers, and that He uses a base ten number system. I've > just discovered proof of the first: > > Take any version of the Bible, in any language, in any version. > Assign numbers to all the letters; i.e. if you're using English, > set A=1, B=2, C=3, ... Z=26. Now multiply all the numbers > which represent the letters together. If you take a look > at the resulting number, which is of course hundreds of pages > long, you'll notice that it ends with HUNDREDS of THOUSANDS > of ZEROES! What are the chances of that? :-). > > Unfortunately for Human millennialists, you can do the above calculation > in just about any smallish number base and prove that this applies > for alien species, no matter *how* many fingers they have, as well! > > -- > Tim. (shoppa@trailing-edge.com) Perhaps you could instead conclude from this (as well as from the disproportionate number of the digit "1" likely to appear in the result) that God likes small digits. ###### From: partypro@autobahn.org (Greg Gioia) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers,comp.os.vms,alt.folklore.urban,alt.comics.dilbert Subject: Re: Bible Code Part 2, or proof that God likes big round numbers :-) Message-ID: References: <386730D3.517351FD@trailing-edge.com> Organization: Party Professionals Lines: 19 Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 02:20:45 -0800 NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.103.86.189 X-Complaints-To: abuse@pacbell.net X-Trace: nntp1-sf.pbi.net 946376541 216.103.86.189 (Tue, 28 Dec 1999 02:22:21 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 02:22:21 PST Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!News.Amsterdam.UnisourceCS!newshunter!cosy.sbg.ac.at!newsfeed.Austria.EU.net!nmaster.kpnqwest.net!npeer.kpnqwest.net!EU.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!cyclone.swbell.net!nntp1-sf.pbi.net.POSTED!adsl-216-103-86-189.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net!user In article <386730D3.517351FD@trailing-edge.com>, Tim Shoppa wrote: > > Take any version of the Bible, in any language, in any version. > Assign numbers to all the letters; i.e. if you're using English, > set A=1, B=2, C=3, ... Z=26. Now multiply all the numbers > which represent the letters together. If you take a look > at the resulting number, which is of course hundreds of pages > long, you'll notice that it ends with HUNDREDS of THOUSANDS > of ZEROES! What are the chances of that? :-). The chances are pretty darn good. In fact, it's practically impossible not to reach such a number, no matter what large book you choose. Think about it...for each j and t, you'll multiply the number by 10 and 20. Doing that will add long strings of zeroes to the resulting number. Are you just dense, or are you trying to fool us? :) ###### Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!usenet From: Neil Franklin Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers,comp.os.vms,alt.folklore.urban,alt.comics.dil bert Subject: Re: Bible Code Part 2, or proof that God likes big round numbers :-) Date: 28 Dec 1999 19:03:09 +0100 Organization: My own Private Self Lines: 19 Sender: neil@chonsp.franklin.ch Message-ID: <6u66xj54f6.fsf@chonsp.franklin.ch> References: <386730D3.517351FD@trailing-edge.com> <848im1$rbk$1@megami.org> X-Newsreader: Gnus v5.3/Emacs 19.34 linley@megami.org (Bruce Linley) writes: > > Besides we all know the *real* millennium doesn't start until 2048! Hmmm, that would make the valid years 0..2047 an 11 bit integer. So the big crash happens on overflow to the 12th bit? Here we have proof that God is calculating either in unsigned on a 11 bit computer or in signed on a 12 bit. The later seems more logical. > Las Vegas, Nevada, USA ----------> \*| AZ | - Miyu How are the bets for him running the universe on a PDP-8 vs Linc vs CDC-160 vs something else? -- Neil Franklin, neil@franklin.ch.remove http://neil.franklin.ch/