From: "Russell Treleaven" Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Parry and Eliza Lines: 14 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 23:00:00 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.226.65.125 X-Trace: news21.bellglobal.com 932598000 209.226.65.125 (Wed, 21 Jul 1999 19:00:00 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 19:00:00 EDT Organization: Sympatico Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!iol.ie!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!130.185.14.36!torn!news1.bellglobal.com!news21.bellglobal.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Years ago I read about an experiment in Artificial intelligence. I recall something about a program called Parry. I mentioned it to a friend and he mentioned a program called Eliza. Anybody have source code or executable or comments? Sincerely, Russell Treleaven russ@else.net ###### From: dpeschel@u.washington.edu (Derek Peschel) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Parry and Eliza Date: 22 Jul 1999 02:44:39 GMT Organization: University of Washington, Seattle Lines: 59 Message-ID: <7n60in$bea$1@nntp1.u.washington.edu> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: saul1.u.washington.edu X-Trace: nntp1.u.washington.edu 932611479 11722 (None) 140.142.17.40 X-Complaints-To: help@cac.washington.edu NNTP-Posting-User: dpeschel Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!iol.ie!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!128.223.220.30!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.u.washington.edu!dpeschel In article , Russell Treleaven wrote: >Years ago I read about an experiment in Artificial intelligence. > >I recall something about a program called Parry. >I mentioned it to a friend and he mentioned a program called Eliza. > >Anybody have source code or executable or comments? Parry and ELIZA are similar in that they relate to psychology or psychiatry, but otherwise are completely unlike each other. ELIZA was created by Joseph Weizenbaum. See Weizenbaum, J., "ELIZA -- A computer program for the study of natural language communication between man and machine", Communications of the ACM 9(1):36-45, 1966. It seems ELIZA was written in the FLPL language (a list-processing package that ran on top of FORTRAN). Apparently ELIZA also was a "script" that ran on top of a base program, but I don't have any details about that either. I've never seen the source code, though I have seen many imitations. The name is evidently in "honor" of Eliza Doolittle (from George Bernard Shaw's play _Pygmalion_) because ELIZA pretends to be smart and witty but actually isn't. ELIZA imitates a Rogerian psychotherapist; it works by finding key words in input sentences, transforming them in simple ways (e.g., "I" becomes "you"), and printing responses which are generally premade. It may remember a few details about previous sentences but it certainly does not understand them. Connect one copy of the program to another copy to prove that. ELIZA became an icon of simple artificial intelligence. Most people would say it was an icon of _unsuccessful_ artificial intelligence -- even Weizenbaum, who had no illusions about it. Some people might say it was successful at fooling users! Parry is a much more sophisticated program. It was designed to act like a paranoid patient (in order to give students "real-world" experience, I think). Parry understands more about the input than ELIZA does. You can get the source and see that Parry actually has beliefs and preferences. Someone actually got ELIZA to analyze Parry; that might have been what your friend was thinking about. I don't know who did it or when. I've seen excerpts from the transcript (in various artificial-intelligence books) so you might be able to get more information by looking around. As I said, the source to Parry is available. It's on the CMU Artificial Intelligence Repository site, at: http://www.cs.cmu.edu/afs/cs.cmu.edu/project/ai-repository/ai/html/air.html Unfortunately it may be incomplete and it definitely requires other programs which were specific to Stanford and are probably no longer available. So even if you have an account on a PDP-10, expect to do a lot of porting. I hope this helps, -- Derek ###### From: cs1cl@stoat.shef.ac.uk (C Lamb) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Parry and Eliza Date: 22 Jul 1999 11:39:24 GMT Organization: Sheffield University, UK Lines: 17 Message-ID: <7n6vtc$j3r$1@bignews.shef.ac.uk> References: Reply-To: cs1cl@stoat.shef.ac.uk NNTP-Posting-Host: stoat.shef.ac.uk X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!server6.netnews.ja.net!news.shef.ac.uk!stoat!cs1cl Russell Treleaven (russ@else.net) wrote: : Years ago I read about an experiment in Artificial intelligence. : I recall something about a program called Parry. : I mentioned it to a friend and he mentioned a program called Eliza. : Anybody have source code or executable or comments? A good book that describes Parry and Eliza is 'Artificial Intelligence and Natural Man' by Margaret A Bowden - it also describes several other AI programs. EMACS also has (mumble mumble) included in it by using Meta-Esc-doctor (I think - can someone give the proper key seq. - I'm a vi head) regards Chris ###### From: Donald Fisk Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Parry and Eliza Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 18:10:08 +0100 Organization: EUnet Belgium, Leuven, Belgium Lines: 61 Message-ID: <37975070.4E3CE49B@geenspam.inthan.be> References: <7n6vtc$j3r$1@bignews.shef.ac.uk> Reply-To: dfisk@geenspam.inthan.be NNTP-Posting-Host: mail.inthan.be Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en,fr,zh Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.belnet.be!newsfeed.ecrc.net!newsfeed.nacamar.de!newsfeed.nacamar.de!blackbush.xlink.net!EU.net!news0.Belgium.EU.net!newsr.Belgium.EU.net!master.inthan.be!nobody C Lamb wrote: > > Russell Treleaven (russ@else.net) wrote: > : Years ago I read about an experiment in Artificial intelligence. > > : I recall something about a program called Parry. > : I mentioned it to a friend and he mentioned a program called Eliza. > > : Anybody have source code or executable or comments? > > A good book that describes Parry and Eliza is 'Artificial Intelligence > and Natural Man' by Margaret A Bowden - it also describes several Boden > other AI programs. EMACS also has (mumble mumble) included in it > by using Meta-Esc-doctor (I think - can someone give the proper key > seq. - I'm a vi head) In Emacs, Meta-X doctor simulates a psychotherapist Meta-X yow simulates Zippy the Pinhead Meta-X psychoanalyze-pinhead generates a conversation between Zippy the Pinhead and a psychotherapist. Here's a short sample fo its output: I'm having an EMOTIONAL OUTBURST!! But, uh, WHY is there a WAFFLE in my PAJAMA POCKET?? Is it because uh why is there a waffle in your pajama pocket that you came to me? ..Just enough time to do my LIBERACE impression... Why do you say...just enough time to do your liberace impression? All this time I've been VIEWING a RUSSIAN MIDGET SODOMIZE a HOUSECAT! Earlier you said uh why is there a waffle in your pajama pocket? I want DUSTIN HOFFMAN!! .. I want LIBERACE!! YOW!! Yow! Are we interactive yet? I feel better about world problems now! -- Le Hibou (ma propre opinion) Remove Dutch for "no spam" to get my email address. "it is really very simple. functional programming means that it is functional, like a machine, a family, a sex life. other programming is by inference dysfunctional. " -- Erik Naggum ###### From: matt@noggin.thenog.net (Matthew Gates) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Parry and Eliza Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 18:54:53 +0100 Organization: RemarQ http://www.remarQ.com Lines: 20 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.2.137.112 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: 932666268 FA6OEGRHS8970C302C uk26.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarq.com X-Newsreader: knews 0.9.8 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.belnet.be!colt.net!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!remarQ-uK!rQdQ!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!noggin.thenog.net!nobody In article , "Russell Treleaven" writes: > Years ago I read about an experiment in Artificial intelligence. > > I recall something about a program called Parry. > I mentioned it to a friend and he mentioned a program called Eliza. > > Anybody have source code or executable or comments? > You should be able to find the source for eliza using ftpsearch: http://ftpsearch.ntnu.no/ look for eliza.c I downloaded it a few months ago and modified it to speak using rsynth. I got rid of it in a recent purge though. -Matt ###### From: Chris Mahmood Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Parry and Eliza Date: 22 Jul 1999 19:53:35 -0700 Organization: CKM World Headquarters Lines: 11 Message-ID: References: <7n60in$bea$1@nntp1.u.washington.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: u1-89.empirenet.com X-Newsreader: Gnus v5.5/XEmacs 20.4 - "Emerald" Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!news.west.agis.net!agis!e4.empirenet.com!oogabooga.worldhq.org!nobody dpeschel@u.washington.edu (Derek Peschel) writes: [nice review of Eliza snipped] > ELIZA became an icon of simple artificial intelligence. Most people would > say it was an icon of _unsuccessful_ artificial intelligence -- even > Weizenbaum, who had no illusions about it. Some people might say it was > successful at fooling users! I think it was the Boden book (maybe Hofstader) that that had some quotes from Weizenbaum about his secretary who confide in Eliza with secrets--frightening stuff, but hardly a Turning-test candidate. -ckm ###### Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Parry and Eliza From: bmarcum@iglou.com X-Everything: Net-Tamer V 1.08X NNTP-Posting-Host: lou-ts7-61.iglou.com X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: lou-ts7-61.iglou.com Message-ID: <3797db13@news.iglou.com> Date: 22 Jul 1999 23:01:39 -0500 X-Trace: 22 Jul 1999 23:01:39 -0500, lou-ts7-61.iglou.com Lines: 12 X-Authenticated-User: bmarcum X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: news-incoming.iglou.com Organization: IgLou Internet Services, Inc. Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!iol.ie!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!206.86.34.12!nuq-peer.news.verio.net!uunet!lax.uu.net!ffx.uu.net!news.iglou.com!lou-ts7-61.iglou.com On 1999-07-21 russ@else.net said: >Years ago I read about an experiment in Artificial intelligence. >I recall something about a program called Parry. >I mentioned it to a friend and he mentioned a program called Eliza. >Anybody have source code or executable or comments? Parry is an AI (Artificial Insanity) program which posts to Usenet unter the name James "Kibo" Parry, mostly in the newsgroup alt.religion.kibology. HTH, HAND, IYKWIM. ###### From: Juergen Nickelsen Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Parry and Eliza Date: 22 Jul 1999 23:32:55 +0200 Organization: [Posted via] Interactive Networx Lines: 21 Sender: nickel@goting.jn.berlin.snafu.de Message-ID: References: <7n60in$bea$1@nntp1.u.washington.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: n245-90.berlin.snafu.de X-Newsreader: Gnus v5.5/XEmacs 20.4 - "Emerald" Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!isdnet!unlisys!news.snafu.de!goting.jn.berlin.snafu.de!nobody dpeschel@u.washington.edu (Derek Peschel) writes: > The name is evidently in "honor" of Eliza Doolittle (from George > Bernard Shaw's play _Pygmalion_) because ELIZA pretends to be > smart and witty but actually isn't. Have you read Pygmalion? Actually Eliza is much smarter than her teacher thought. The name is rather chosen because Eliza was taught to speak ("correct" English, that is) by her teacher. > ELIZA became an icon of simple artificial intelligence. Most > people would say it was an icon of _unsuccessful_ artificial > intelligence -- even Weizenbaum, who had no illusions about it. Weizenbaum wanted to show how easy it to make a program seemingly "intelligent", although it made only simple syntactical transformations to its input. Weizenbaum's "illusion" was that people would soon recognize it as a hoax, but lots didn't. -- Juergen Nickelsen ###### From: dpeschel@u.washington.edu (Derek Peschel) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Parry and Eliza Date: 23 Jul 1999 04:28:29 GMT Organization: University of Washington, Seattle Lines: 34 Message-ID: <7n8r1d$134e$1@nntp1.u.washington.edu> References: <7n60in$bea$1@nntp1.u.washington.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: saul5.u.washington.edu X-Trace: nntp1.u.washington.edu 932704109 35982 (None) 140.142.17.39 X-Complaints-To: help@cac.washington.edu NNTP-Posting-User: dpeschel Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!iol.ie!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!192.220.250.21!netnews1.nw.verio.net!netnews.nwnet.net!news.verio.net!news.u.washington.edu!dpeschel In article , Juergen Nickelsen wrote: >dpeschel@u.washington.edu (Derek Peschel) writes: >> The name is evidently in "honor" of Eliza Doolittle (from George >> Bernard Shaw's play _Pygmalion_) because ELIZA pretends to be >> smart and witty but actually isn't. > >Have you read Pygmalion? Actually Eliza is much smarter than her >teacher thought. The name is rather chosen because Eliza was taught >to speak ("correct" English, that is) by her teacher. I've heard an audio version... you must be talking about the ending. Anyway, sorry for the mix-up. That's what happens when I don't check the messages I've saved from this group. >> ELIZA became an icon of simple artificial intelligence. Most >> people would say it was an icon of _unsuccessful_ artificial >> intelligence -- even Weizenbaum, who had no illusions about it. > >Weizenbaum wanted to show how easy it to make a program seemingly >"intelligent", although it made only simple syntactical >transformations to its input. Weizenbaum's "illusion" was that >people would soon recognize it as a hoax, but lots didn't. What I meant was that it succeeded at fooling people but not at achieving the goals people thought it had achieved. It's amazing how well-known ELIZA is and how famous it is as an example of AI, even though it's a borderline case. I was also implying that ELIZA may have contributed to the phase of unpopularity that AI research suffered, but I don't actually know whether it did or not. -- Derek ###### From: dpeschel@u.washington.edu (Derek Peschel) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Parry and Eliza Date: 24 Jul 1999 10:05:12 GMT Organization: University of Washington, Seattle Lines: 83 Message-ID: <7nc34o$ntm$1@nntp1.u.washington.edu> References: <7n60in$bea$1@nntp1.u.washington.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: saul6.u.washington.edu X-Trace: nntp1.u.washington.edu 932810712 24502 (None) 140.142.17.37 X-Complaints-To: help@cac.washington.edu NNTP-Posting-User: dpeschel Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!news.u.washington.edu!dpeschel In article , Chris Mahmood wrote: >dpeschel@u.washington.edu (Derek Peschel) writes: > >[nice review of Eliza snipped] Thanks for the compliment. >> ELIZA became an icon of simple artificial intelligence. Most people would >> say it was an icon of _unsuccessful_ artificial intelligence -- even >> Weizenbaum, who had no illusions about it. Some people might say it was >> successful at fooling users! >I think it was the Boden book (maybe Hofstader) that that had some >quotes from Weizenbaum about his secretary who confide in Eliza with >secrets--frightening stuff, but hardly a Turning-test candidate. You probably mean "Turing", right? My point was that it doesn't matter if ELIZA succeeded at being intelligent, since ELIZA succeeded at making people _think_ it was intelligent. Well, some people, anyway. So it didn't have to be a Turing-test winner. If it had been put to the Turing test, it certainly would have failed. As I mentioned before, hooking ELIZA up to itself is another good way to debunk it. (OK, I brought that up again because I wanted an excuse to post the old article that you see below.) -- Derek Article 206556 of alt.folklore.computers: Path: news.u.washington.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!news.maxwell.syr.edu!woodstock.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!mail2news.demon.co.uk!not-for-mail From: meowing@banet.net (Fluffy) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Eliza and Parry Date: 14 Dec 1998 05:31:21 GMT Organization: If one may meow, all may meow. Message-ID: <7527r9$tai$1@meowhost.meow.invalid> References: <19981206215549.02571.00003159@ng114.aol.com> <74ubme$9u3$1@nnrp03.primenet.com> <36738613.31725630@news.newsguy.com> <751t44$sk4$1@meowhost.meow.invalid> <7525pv$810$2@nnrp03.primenet.com> X-Trace: mail2news.demon.co.uk 913613508 mail2news:17201 mail2news mail2news.demon.co.uk X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net X-Mail2News-Path: news.demon.net!out2.ibm.net!meowhost.meow.invalid X-P-Meow: Meow Mail-Copies-To: never X-URL: http://members.tripod.com/~gerglery/ X-Newsreader: slrn (0.9.5.3-canlock UNIX) Lines: 33 Xref: news.u.washington.edu alt.folklore.computers:206556 Nick S Bensema wrote: > Talk to one another? That's a new one. Because most of the > Eliza-type programs I've seen are pretty weak. I shudder to think > what would happen if I set Emacs' doctor mode to talk to itself. Here's a portion of a conversation between two perl Elizas running the stock personality. The tone is disturbingly familiar; I wonder, if I leave them running for a few days, whether one will start demanding that the other define "honorable"? {chomp} One: I'm not sure I understand you fully. Two: Is it because you are not sure you understand me fully that you came to me? One: What makes you think I am not sure me understand you fully that me came to you? Two: Do you enjoy being not sure you understand me fully that you came to me? One: Really, I came to you? Two: Perhaps in your fantasies we came to each other. One: Really, my fantasies we came to each other? Two: Your fantasies we came to each other? One: Are you worried about someone else's fantasies we came to each other? Two: Perhaps I am worried about someone else's fantasies we came to each other in your fantasies. One: Why are you concerned over my fantasies? Two: Does that suggest anything else which belongs to you? One: Oh, I? Two: Why do you say you? {chomp} ###### From: slavins.at.hearsay.demon.co.uk@localhost (Simon Slavin) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Parry and Eliza Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 19:46:41 +0100 Organization: First Sirian Bank Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: hearsay.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: hearsay.demon.co.uk:194.222.24.177 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 932928264 nnrp-14:25935 NO-IDENT hearsay.demon.co.uk:194.222.24.177 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net Lines: 17 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.belnet.be!colt.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!hearsay.demon.co.uk!user In article , "Russell Treleaven" wrote: > I recall something about a program called Parry. > I mentioned it to a friend and he mentioned a program called Eliza. > > Anybody have source code or executable or comments? Read Douglas R. Hofstadter's _Goedel, Escher, Bach: an Eternal Golden Braid_ Simon. -- | ... you start off with a typical message, No junk email please. | let's say a 2.5MB Word document containing ET may've phoned /us/. | three lines of text and a macro virus ... Help play the tape: SETI@home. | -- Peter Gutmann ###### Message-ID: <379C9ED0.11E5A598@cs.uml.edu> From: Paul Wexelblat X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Parry and Eliza References: <7n60in$bea$1@nntp1.u.washington.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 31 Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 13:45:52 -0400 NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.63.8.141 X-Trace: testbox 933011168 129.63.8.141 (Mon, 26 Jul 1999 13:46:08 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 13:46:08 EDT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!isdnet!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!192.195.196.233!testbox!not-for-mail Have _YOU_ read Pygmalion? Actually, she's a statue who came to life Juergen Nickelsen wrote: > dpeschel@u.washington.edu (Derek Peschel) writes: > > > The name is evidently in "honor" of Eliza Doolittle (from George > > Bernard Shaw's play _Pygmalion_) because ELIZA pretends to be > > smart and witty but actually isn't. > > Have you read Pygmalion? Actually Eliza is much smarter than her > teacher thought. The name is rather chosen because Eliza was taught > to speak ("correct" English, that is) by her teacher. > > > ELIZA became an icon of simple artificial intelligence. Most > > people would say it was an icon of _unsuccessful_ artificial > > intelligence -- even Weizenbaum, who had no illusions about it. > > Weizenbaum wanted to show how easy it to make a program seemingly > "intelligent", although it made only simple syntactical > transformations to its input. Weizenbaum's "illusion" was that > people would soon recognize it as a hoax, but lots didn't. > > -- > Juergen Nickelsen -- ...wex ###### From: "John Carpenter" Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers References: Subject: Re: Parry and Eliza Lines: 43 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 17:31:05 -0400 NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.128.207.83 X-Complaints-To: abuse@mediaone.net X-Trace: wbnws01.ne.mediaone.net 933024651 24.128.207.83 (Mon, 26 Jul 1999 17:30:51 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 17:30:51 EDT Organization: Road Runner Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!iol.ie!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!24.128.1.125!chnws03.mediaone.net!24.128.1.101!chnws05.ne.mediaone.net!24.128.44.7!wbnws01.ne.mediaone.net.POSTED!not-for-mail I believe Eliza, or later versions of it, anyway, were used to simulate Rogerian psychologists' 'reflective' therapy sessions. For it would ask what you were worried about. If you answered, "goblins," Eliza would then ask, "Tell me about the goblins." Then Eliza would parse your answer and ask various questions about the nouns. It didn't matter what the nouns were. Only, Eliza would rebuke you for using profanity (must have had a lookup table, maybe taken from George Carlin's list?). After a while the questions would get circular and tedious. But then, I have met real counselors who didn't do much better. The point, beyond the software demonstration, was that reflective psychology was simply word manipulation, and was neither insightful nor helpful. I suppose it did get people to put vague feelings into words, and maybe they would be more frank with a computer than with a human, because the computer would never tell (this was before BackOrfice and remote monitors). A language emulator it was, but AI it wasn't. Simon Slavin wrote in message news:B3C11A219668152017@0.0.0.0... > In article , > "Russell Treleaven" wrote: > > > I recall something about a program called Parry. > > I mentioned it to a friend and he mentioned a program called Eliza. > > > > Anybody have source code or executable or comments? > > Read Douglas R. Hofstadter's > _Goedel, Escher, Bach: an Eternal Golden Braid_ > > Simon. > -- > | ... you start off with a typical message, > No junk email please. | let's say a 2.5MB Word document containing > ET may've phoned /us/. | three lines of text and a macro virus ... > Help play the tape: SETI@home. | -- Peter Gutmann ###### From: alderson@netcom16.netcom.com (Richard M. Alderson III) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Parry and Eliza Date: 26 Jul 1999 22:57:53 GMT Organization: NETCOM On-line services Lines: 12 Message-ID: References: <7n60in$bea$1@nntp1.u.washington.edu> <379C9ED0.11E5A598@cs.uml.edu> Reply-To: alderson@netcom.com NNTP-Posting-Host: netcom16.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Mon Jul 26 5:57:54 PM CDT 1999 NNTP-Posting-User: alderson In-reply-to: Juergen Nickelsen's message of 26 Jul 1999 23:53:13 +0200 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!News.Amsterdam.UnisourceCS!uunet!ams.uu.net!newsfeed1.news.nl.uu.net!sun4nl!newsfeed.icl.net!news.algonet.se!algonet!news.maxwell.syr.edu!ix.netcom.com!nntp.ix.netcom.com!alderson In article Juergen Nickelsen writes: >In Bernard Shaw's play there is no person with the name Pygmalion. On the >other hand, I don't think the statue's name was Eliza. Ovid doesn't mention >her name. Galatea. -- Rich Alderson Last LOTS Tops-20 Systems Programmer, 1984-1991 Current maintainer, MIT TECO EMACS (v. 170) last name @ XKL dot COM Chief systems administrator, XKL LLC, 1998-now ###### From: Juergen Nickelsen Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Parry and Eliza Date: 26 Jul 1999 23:53:13 +0200 Organization: [Posted via] Interactive Networx Lines: 23 Sender: nickel@goting.jn.berlin.snafu.de Message-ID: References: <7n60in$bea$1@nntp1.u.washington.edu> <379C9ED0.11E5A598@cs.uml.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: n36-47.berlin.snafu.de X-Newsreader: Gnus v5.5/XEmacs 20.4 - "Emerald" Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news-fra1.dfn.de!news0.de.colt.net!blackbush.xlink.net!unlisys!news.snafu.de!goting.jn.berlin.snafu.de!nobody Paul Wexelblat writes: > Have _YOU_ read Pygmalion? > Actually, she's a statue who came to life You mean the Pygmalion from the ancient greek myth. Actually he was the *sculptor* who fell in love with his statue so much that Aphrodite gave her life. We were talking about something different, though -- this is what I quoted from Derek Peschel's posting: > The name is evidently in "honor" of Eliza Doolittle (from George > Bernard Shaw's play _Pygmalion_) because ELIZA pretends to be > smart and witty but actually isn't. In Bernard Shaw's play there is no person with the name Pygmalion. On the other hand, I don't think the statue's name was Eliza. Ovid doesn't mention her name. [Paul, *please*, don't send me CCs of Usenet postings. I'd rather have to reply only once.] -- Juergen Nickelsen ###### From: stucohomes@aol.commmmmmmmm (Jack P. Armstrong) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Parry and Eliza Lines: 22 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 28 Jul 1999 15:39:57 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990728113957.18762.00002621@ng-ba1.aol.com> Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newscore.univie.ac.at!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail >> Have _YOU_ read Pygmalion? >> Actually, she's a statue who came to life > >You mean the Pygmalion from the ancient greek myth. Actually he was >the *sculptor* who fell in love with his statue so much that Aphrodite >gave her life. We were talking about something different, though -- >this is what I quoted from Derek Peschel's posting: > >> The name is evidently in "honor" of Eliza Doolittle (from George >> Bernard Shaw's play _Pygmalion_) because ELIZA pretends to be >> smart and witty but actually isn't. > >In Bernard Shaw's play there is no person with the name Pygmalion. >On the other hand, I don't think the statue's name was Eliza. Ovid >doesn't mention her name. > Her name was Galatea. And man, was she a hottie! - - - - - - - Jody B. aka Jack P. Armstrong "five seconds... six... seven!" - Barb Shapiro "Papa don't preach, I'm in trouble sneech." - Arbuckle Jones