From: kisrael@allegro.cs.tufts.edu (Kirk Is) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Old naked woman ASCII art Date: 28 Apr 1999 19:08:32 GMT Organization: Tufts University Lines: 12 Message-ID: <7g7mbg$i7g$2@news3.tufts.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: allegro.eecs.tufts.edu X-Trace: news3.tufts.edu 925326512 18672 (None) 192.138.177.97 X-Complaints-To: news@news.tufts.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!feed2.news.luth.se!luth.se!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.fas.harvard.edu!news.tufts.edu!allegro!kisrael You know, in a few labs I've seen pictures of the mona lisa or naked woman in ascii art- usually on more than one page of printout. Does anyone have any folklore about these? Where they originated, if they predate FTP, how they were archived, if they were made by hand or with clever conversion programs? -- Kirk Israel - kisrael@cs.tufts.edu - http://www.alienbill.com An organism is not adapted to its environment. It is adapted to the environment of its ancestors. --Begon, Harper & Townsend. ###### From: jones@cs.uiowa.edu (Douglas W. Jones,201H MLH,3193350740,3193382879) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Old naked woman ASCII art Date: 28 Apr 1999 20:18:01 GMT Organization: The University of Iowa Lines: 39 Message-ID: <7g7qdp$eg0$1@flood.weeg.uiowa.edu> References: <7g7mbg$i7g$2@news3.tufts.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: pyrite.cs.uiowa.edu Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newscore.univie.ac.at!howland.erols.net!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!newsfeed2.us.ibm.net!ibm.net!newsjunkie.ans.net!NewsNG.Chicago.Qual.Net!128.255.56.80!news.uiowa.edu!not-for-mail From article <7g7mbg$i7g$2@news3.tufts.edu>, by kisrael@allegro.cs.tufts.edu (Kirk Is): > Where they originated, if they predate FTP, how > they were archived, if they were made by hand or > with clever conversion programs? The nude is, I believe, a digitized version of a playboy centerfold from the 1960's. I first saw it in around 1969, and I knew at least a few students who had copies of this on punched cards. Just run the card deck with the right print program, and it would print out the nude. (To estimate the size, note that the image, in printed form, took about 4 pages of paper, where each page was 66 lines by 120 characters. The low-res versions of this image used no overprinting, so they took 2 80-column punched cards per line. 4 pages times 66 lines per page times 2 cards per line 528 cards; a single box of punched cards was 2000 cards, so this isn't too big to carry around. The best versions of this image used overprinting to get darker blacks. For those, you'd probably just use the same 2000 card file, but with a 10-line FORTRAN program to generate decent overprint sequences on the output instead of the 5-line program used to patch together two card images per printed line. How was it digitized? Beats me. There were two or three nudes in circulation, as well as the Mona Lisa and Alfred E. Newman. I'm pretty sure that Mona Lisa and some of the nudes were machine digitized, but some of the nudes had text that looked hand-done -- strong hints of this come from the use of straight-line elements like | - / and \ to mark edges. Digitizing programs of the era would be extremely unlikely to align such marks with edge directions; they'd just go for the grey level. I know that digitizers were available. Most of them back then were custom built, typically by university physics departments, typically for the purpose of digitizing 35mm film from bubble-chambers. Once you put such a digitizer in the hands of a bored grad student, though, all kinds of things become possible. After all, the digitizer doesn't care where the 35mm film comes from or what's on it, and the attached minicomputers weren't all that hard to program. Doug Jones jones@cs.uiowa.edu ###### Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Old naked woman ASCII art References: <7g7mbg$i7g$2@news3.tufts.edu> Organization: University of Michigan, College of Engineering From: ftit@engin.umich.edu (Sergej Roytman) Lines: 76 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 20:22:52 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 141.212.106.44 X-Trace: srvr1.engin.umich.edu 925330972 141.212.106.44 (Wed, 28 Apr 1999 16:22:52 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 16:22:52 EDT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!isdnet!netnews.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!cloudbreak.rs.itd.umich.edu!srvr1.engin.umich.edu!ftit In article <7g7mbg$i7g$2@news3.tufts.edu>, Kirk Is wrote: >You know, in a few labs I've seen pictures of the mona lisa or naked woman >in ascii art- usually on more than one page of printout. Does anyone have >any folklore about these? Where they originated, if they predate FTP, how >they were archived, if they were made by hand or with clever conversion >programs? Slightly before my time, but I remember seeing a pretty neat hack for generating these in an old issue of _Byte._ The substrate was a dot matrix printer with friction feed. The construction plans called for attaching a phototransistor to the print head and feeding a picture to scan into the printer. The software driver sent a bunch of ' 's followed by a '\n' to the printer, and read the light levels from the A/D converter on the phototransistor interface. The driver contained a table of characters indexed by albedo (0 -> ' ', 1 -> '.', ..., 255 -> '#', maybe) and wrote the digitized values into the output file. On the other hand, some pieces of ASCII art were obviously generated by hand. [259-07] The Usenet Oracle has pondered your question deeply. Your question was: > Tell me please O mighty Oracle why we have to do this assignment. And in response, thus spake the Usenet Oracle: } You have to do that assignment because the great penguin in the sky has } spoken! } . --- . } / \ } | O _ O | } | ./ \. | } / `-._.-' \ "Do this assignment!!!!!!!" } .' / \ `. } .-~.-~/ \~-.~-. } .-~ ~ | | ~ ~-. } `- . | | . -' } ~ - | | - ~ } \ / } ___\ /___ } ~;_ >- . . -< _i~ } `' `' } Now do as you're told! And then the penguin won't get mad and set draggy } on you: } ^ ^ } / \ //\ } |\___/| / \// .\ } /O O \__ / // | \ \ Isn't it amazing what can fly } / / \/_/ // | \ \ past when you're not doing } @___@' \/_ // | \ \ your assignment as you should } | \/_ // | \ \ have been doing! } | \/// | \ \ } _|_ / ) // | \ _\ } '/,_ _ _/ ( ; -. | _ _\.-~ .-~~~^-. } ,-{ _ `-.|.-~-. .~ `. } '/\ / ~-. _ .-~ .-~^-. \ } `. { } / \ \ } .----~-.\ \-' .~ \ `. \^-. } ///.----..> c \ _ -~ `. ^-` ^-_ } ///-._ _ _ _ _ _ _}^ - - - - ~ ~--, .-~ } } I wouldn't argue with that one if I were you, otherwise you'll owe the } Oracle one frazzled body! for a wild example. As for the ASCII pics of naked women, shame on you for even looking at such things! Go outside and play or something---or chase after the real ones! (Oi! I'm starting to sound like my parents (well, except for the thing about the chasing)! Too many all-nighters!) -- Sergej Roytman ###### From: spalding@iol.ie (Nick Spalding) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Old naked woman ASCII art Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 20:46:41 +0100 Organization: Ireland On-Line Lines: 11 Message-ID: <372c6501.84595695@test.news.rcn.net> References: <7g7mbg$i7g$2@news3.tufts.edu> Reply-To: spalding@iol.ie NNTP-Posting-Host: dialup-0043.dublin.iol.ie Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!iol!not-for-mail Kirk Is wrote: > You know, in a few labs I've seen pictures of the mona lisa or naked woman > in ascii art- usually on more than one page of printout. Does anyone have > any folklore about these? Where they originated, if they predate FTP, how > they were archived, if they were made by hand or with clever conversion > programs? The ones I remember were on decks of cards. -- Nick Spalding ###### From: yuska@bgs.com Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Old naked woman ASCII art Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 21:04:25 GMT Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 29 Message-ID: <7g7t4n$s1k$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> References: <7g7mbg$i7g$2@news3.tufts.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.165.159.3 X-Article-Creation-Date: Wed Apr 28 21:04:25 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.07 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.36 i686) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x13.dejanews.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 204.165.159.3 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.belnet.be!newsfeed.ecrc.net!newspeer1.nac.net!netnews.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail In article <7g7mbg$i7g$2@news3.tufts.edu>, kisrael@allegro.cs.tufts.edu (Kirk Is) wrote: > You know, in a few labs I've seen pictures of the mona lisa or naked woman > in ascii art- usually on more than one page of printout. Does anyone have > any folklore about these? Where they originated, if they predate FTP, how > they were archived, if they were made by hand or with clever conversion > programs? > There were whole libraries of these in the late '60's (well before ftp), and most were actually generated by programs. They were not exactly ascii art, but were produced by selectively overprinting lines on a line printer to produce density gradients. An exception was one variation on the Mona Lisa done by CDC's graphics division in Burlington, MA. (formerly Digigraphics). To produce this one, they digitized a copy of Mona, than ran it through a program to produce a picture on a vector plotter with density gradients provided by overplotting. Very good resolution at poster size. CDC used to give them to customers as advertising tools. The library I was familiar with was CDC specific, and it was distributed on 9-track tape. I'm sure, however, that there were versions for other computers. BTW, it wasn't only naked ladies, there were pictures of the moon, startrek stuff, scenery, and well, lost of naked ladies. Joe "One life sized one fit on the door of a 6600" Yuska -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==---------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own ###### From: Mike Swaim Subject: Re: Old naked woman ASCII art Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers References: <7g7mbg$i7g$2@news3.tufts.edu> <7g7qdp$eg0$1@flood.weeg.uiowa.edu> Organization: PointeCom User-Agent: tin/pre-1.4-980818 ("Laura") (UNIX) (FreeBSD/2.2.8-RELEASE (i386)) Lines: 10 Message-ID: <7MKV2.15832$95.475479@news2.giganews.com> NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 16:07:15 CDT X-Trace: sv1-hwLtGEUOTKtsHDS9/NttxvpZqwmxoNspwcCzS7B2paayRy6JnAr+HvETSMyNOMRB1HPcgCsF85O3e+g!mzJjHXVkRJE= X-Complaints-To: abuse@GigaNews.Com X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 21:07:15 GMT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newscore.univie.ac.at!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!207.207.0.27!nntp2.giganews.com!news2.giganews.com.POSTED!gemini.c-com.net!swaim Douglas W. Jones,201H MLH,3193350740,3193382879 wrote: : How was it digitized? Beats me. There were two or three nudes in : circulation, as well as the Mona Lisa and Alfred E. Newman. I remember seeing Opus the penguin as well in the early '90s. -- Mike Swaim, Avatar of Chaos: Disclaimer:I sometimes lie. Home: swaim@c-com.net Alum: swaim@alumni.rice.edu Quote: "Boingie"^4 Y,W&D ###### Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers From: eric@fudge.uchicago.edu (Eric Fischer) Subject: Re: Old naked woman ASCII art X-Nntp-Posting-Host: fudge.uchicago.edu Message-ID: Sender: news@midway.uchicago.edu (News Administrator) X-Newsposter: Pnews 4.0-test51 (15 Jan 97) Organization: The University of Chicago References: <7g7mbg$i7g$2@news3.tufts.edu> Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 21:40:26 GMT Lines: 15 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.belnet.be!newspump.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsswitch.lcs.mit.edu!uchinews2!uchinews!not-for-mail Sergej Roytman wrote: > Slightly before my time, but I remember seeing a pretty neat hack for > generating these in an old issue of _Byte._ The substrate was a dot > matrix printer with friction feed. The construction plans called for > attaching a phototransistor to the print head and feeding a picture to > scan into the printer. The software driver sent a bunch of ' 's > followed by a '\n' to the printer, and read the light levels from the > A/D converter on the phototransistor interface. Thunderware sold a device called Thunderscan in the mid 1980s that was a lot like this. It fit into an Apple Imagewriter in place of the ribbon cartridge and was made a workable (if slow) scanner. eric ###### From: mblain@wizvax.net (Mark Blain) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Old naked woman ASCII art Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 22:22:25 GMT Message-ID: <37278135.1557463@news.wizvax.net> References: <7g7mbg$i7g$2@news3.tufts.edu> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: ts1p7.wizvax.net X-Trace: 28 Apr 1999 18:22:38 -0500, ts1p7.wizvax.net Lines: 15 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeed.wizvax.net!news.wizvax.net!ts1p7.wizvax.net On 28 Apr 1999 19:08:32 GMT, kisrael@allegro.cs.tufts.edu (Kirk Is) wrote: >You know, in a few labs I've seen pictures of the mona lisa or naked woman >in ascii art- usually on more than one page of printout. Does anyone have >any folklore about these? Where they originated, if they predate FTP, how >they were archived, if they were made by hand or with clever conversion >programs? For anybody who enjoys this stuff, check out the group "alt.ascii-art". Lots of samples, ascii "sig" files, pointers to web and ftp sites full of ascii-art, and programs to convert existing graphics files to ascii... FAQ file: http://www.stud.uni-hannover.de/~freise/ascii/faq.html URL: news:alt.ascii-art ###### X-Newsreader: xrn 9.01 Sender: wkt@henry.cs.adfa.edu.au (Warren Toomey) From: wkt@css.adfa.edu.au (Warren Toomey) Subject: Re: Old naked woman ASCII art Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers References: <7g7mbg$i7g$2@news3.tufts.edu> Message-ID: <37279146.0@news.adfa.oz.au> Date: 28 Apr 99 22:52:54 GMT Lines: 17 NNTP-Posting-Host: 131.236.253.20 X-NNTP-Posting-Host: 131.236.253.20 X-Trace: 29 Apr 1999 08:52:54 +1000, 131.236.253.20 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newscore.univie.ac.at!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!intgwpad.nntp.telstra.net!news1.optus.net.au!optus!clarion.carno.net.au!news.adfa.oz.au!henry.cs.adfa.edu.au!wkt In article <7g7mbg$i7g$2@news3.tufts.edu>, kisrael@allegro.cs.tufts.edu (Kirk Is) writes: |> You know, in a few labs I've seen pictures of the mona lisa or naked woman |> in ascii art- usually on more than one page of printout. Does anyone have |> any folklore about these? Where they originated, if they predate FTP, how |> they were archived, if they were made by hand or with clever conversion |> programs? I have a few of these archived away as files: nudes, Snoopy, Tweety Bird etc. Does anybody want to see them? Perhaps someone can set up a web site as a central repository? Cheers, Warren P.S I remember a lovely, overprinted, moon hung on the wall in the CompSci department of my university. I'd sure love to get my hands on that one! ###### From: Dav_and_Frances_Vandenbroucke@compuserve.com (Dav Vandenbroucke) Subject: Re: Old naked woman ASCII art Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 23:03:50 GMT Message-ID: <3727879c.61452169@news.compuserve.com> References: <7g7mbg$i7g$2@news3.tufts.edu> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Lines: 10 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.belnet.be!news-feed.inet.tele.dk!bofh.vszbr.cz!newsfeed.tli.de!newsfeed.ecrc.net!arl-news-svc-3.compuserve.com!news-master.compuserve.com!nntp-nih2naad.prod2.compuserve.com Yes, I remember those. They used to take forever to print out on an Epson MX-80 or Okidata ML-92. If you looked at them without your glasses, since the characters blurred and all you saw was the density of dots. "Can I just do it until I need glasses?" Dav Vandenbroucke dav_and_frances_vandenbroucke@compuserve.com ###### From: jmfbahciv@aol.com Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Old naked woman ASCII art Date: Thu, 29 Apr 99 09:17:01 GMT Organization: UltraNet Communications, Inc. Lines: 23 Message-ID: <7g9e7r$tu9$1@antiochus.ultra.net> References: <7g7mbg$i7g$2@news3.tufts.edu> <7g7t4n$s1k$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: d1.dial-12.mbo.ma.ultra.net X-Complaints-To: abuse@ultra.net X-Ultra-Time: 29 Apr 1999 11:02:19 GMT X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #4 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news-fra1.dfn.de!fu-berlin.de!news.uni-stuttgart.de!rz.uni-karlsruhe.de!newsfeed.nacamar.de!newsfeed.nacamar.de!howland.erols.net!newsswitch.lcs.mit.edu!news.ultranet.com!d1 In article <7g7t4n$s1k$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>, yuska@bgs.com wrote: >In article <7g7mbg$i7g$2@news3.tufts.edu>, > kisrael@allegro.cs.tufts.edu (Kirk Is) wrote: >> You know, in a few labs I've seen pictures of the mona >>lisa or naked woman >> in ascii art- usually on more than one page of printout. >BTW, it wasn't only naked ladies, there were pictures of >the moon, startrek stuff, scenery, and well, lost of >naked ladies. Right. There was a lot of stuff. But it was always the naked lady that got printed first [broadly grinning emoticon here]. IIRC, the same package also contained software that would take any ASCII input and print it sideways so that one could produce a banner for protest marches, etc. Of course, whenever someone tried to print one for the first time, s/he always forgot to disengage the carriage control tape on the printer. /BAH Subtract a hundred and four for e-mail. ###### From: "Mark P." Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Old naked woman ASCII art Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 10:48:07 -0500 Organization: IndyNet - Indy's Internet Gateway (info@indy.net) Lines: 13 Message-ID: <37287F36.A86D24B6@indyice.com> References: <7g7mbg$i7g$2@news3.tufts.edu> Reply-To: markX@indyice.com NNTP-Posting-Host: bm.icecom.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: news.indy.net 925400848 12436 199.3.85.130 (29 Apr 1999 15:47:28 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@indy.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 29 Apr 1999 15:47:28 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.0 [en] (Win95; I) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.belnet.be!isdnet!howland.erols.net!news.megsinet.net!news2.megsinet.net!web.onecall.net!news!not-for-mail Kirk Is wrote: > You know, in a few labs I've seen pictures of the mona lisa or naked > woman > in ascii art- usually on more than one page of printout. Does anyone > have > any folklore about these? There were also the calendars, with the ascii art at the top. I seem to remember that Snoopy of Peanuts fame was very popular. ###### From: "Mark P." Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Old naked woman ASCII art Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 10:48:56 -0500 Organization: IndyNet - Indy's Internet Gateway (info@indy.net) Lines: 13 Message-ID: <37287F67.933B7729@indyice.com> References: <7g7mbg$i7g$2@news3.tufts.edu> Reply-To: markX@indyice.com NNTP-Posting-Host: bm.icecom.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: news.indy.net 925400898 12576 199.3.85.130 (29 Apr 1999 15:48:18 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@indy.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 29 Apr 1999 15:48:18 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.0 [en] (Win95; I) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!isdnet!netnews.com!newsfeed.enteract.com!news.megsinet.net!news2.megsinet.net!web.onecall.net!news!not-for-mail Kirk Is wrote: > You know, in a few labs I've seen pictures of the mona lisa or naked > woman > in ascii art- usually on more than one page of printout. Does anyone > have > any folklore about these? There were also the calendars, with the ascii art at the top. I seem to remember that Snoopy of Peanuts fame was very popular. ###### From: "David Carey" Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Old naked woman ASCII art Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 11:54:50 -0500 Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 39 Message-ID: <7ga2um$ce1$1@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net> References: <7g7mbg$i7g$2@news3.tufts.edu> <7g7t4n$s1k$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> <7g9e7r$tu9$1@antiochus.ultra.net> <7g9lov$2ig@top.mitre.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.75.57.152 X-Trace: bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net 925404950 12737 12.75.57.152 (29 Apr 1999 16:55:50 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 29 Apr 1999 16:55:50 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newscore.univie.ac.at!howland.erols.net!newspump.sol.net!news.execpc.com!newspeer.sol.net!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmaster2!not-for-mail Joe Morris wrote in message news:7g9lov$2ig@top.mitre.org... > > One variant of the "nekkid lady" printout that I've not seen mentioned > here was the strip-tease. At my PPOE back in the 1960s there was > a program that ran on the 1401 (from a tape drive) that allowed the > operator to print several picture of a woman on the 1403 printer, > removing articles of clothing by changing the sense switch settings. > the last printout (with all clothing "removed") put her behind a > modesty panel. > Joe Morris In 1965 I first saw this on a 1401 (running from a loadable card deck). picture(female form in evening dress) THIS IS EDITH, ANOTHER OPTIONAL FEATURE OF YOUR IBM 1401. IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO LEARN MORE ABOUT HER RE-RUN THE DECK WITH SS A. ---no lower case on the 1403 printer in those days--- (female form in bra and panties) WARNING: FURTHER SWITCHING OF SS B IS NOT RECOMMENDED! (female form holding modesty shield) which states: SORRY, YOU CAN'T DO EVERYTHING WITH A 1401. (NO MATTER WHAT OUR SALES FORCE MIGHT SAY.) Good clean fun in those days! dc ###### From: jmfbahciv@aol.com Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Old naked woman ASCII art Date: Thu, 29 Apr 99 12:01:00 GMT Organization: UltraNet Communications, Inc. Lines: 46 Message-ID: <7g9nra$m7t$6@ligarius.ultra.net> References: <7g7mbg$i7g$2@news3.tufts.edu> <7g7t4n$s1k$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> <7g9e7r$tu9$1@antiochus.ultra.net> <7g9lov$2ig@top.mitre.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: d2.dial-15.mbo.ma.ultra.net X-Complaints-To: abuse@ultra.net X-Ultra-Time: 29 Apr 1999 13:46:18 GMT X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #4 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!news.ultranet.com!d2 In article <7g9lov$2ig@top.mitre.org>, jcmorris@jmorris-pc.MITRE.ORG (Joe Morris) wrote: >jmfbahciv@aol.com writes: > >>Right. There was a lot of stuff. But it was always the naked >>lady that got printed first [broadly grinning emoticon here]. >>IIRC, the same package also contained software that would >>take any ASCII input and print it sideways so that one could >>produce a banner for protest marches, etc. Of course, whenever >>someone tried to print one for the first time, s/he always >>forgot to disengage the carriage control tape on the printer. > >As someone else has noted, the so-called "ASCII art" master(?)pieces >not only predate FTP, they predate the electronic computer by a long >time. Back in the 1950s one of the amateur radio magazines (probably >_CQ_) would print examples of the Christmas cards that hams had >created using their TeleType machines (and I don't think that I ever >saw one that used overprinting), but the hams routinely credited >the origin of the practice to the pre-WWII teleprinter operators. Neat. > >One variant of the "nekkid lady" printout that I've not seen mentioned >here was the strip-tease. At my PPOE back in the 1960s there was >a program that ran on the 1401 (from a tape drive) that allowed the >operator to print several picture of a woman on the 1403 printer, >removing articles of clothing by changing the sense switch settings. >the last printout (with all clothing "removed") put her behind a >modesty panel. What's that saying about "...the price of their toys"? :-) > >Of course, none of this would be considered acceptable in today's >environment, but in the 1960s it was so common as to be rather >unremarkable, and a shop that didn't have some "nekkid lady" artwork >was probably the exception. Yeah, I think of it as regression. Although, after the nekkid lady was printed, I did ask where was nekkid man with great interest. I got strange looks...for some reason :-))). /BAH Subtract a hundred and four for e-mail. ###### From: Paul Grayson Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Old naked woman ASCII art Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 12:21:35 +0100 Organization: Sirius Cybernetics Corporation Lines: 16 Message-ID: <372840BF.B2CEDBB1@virgin.net> References: <7g7mbg$i7g$2@news3.tufts.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.250.194.200 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.7 i586) X-Accept-Language: en Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!feed2.news.luth.se!luth.se!news-peer-europe.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!netnews.com!newspeer1.nac.net!newspeer.monmouth.com!uunet!nyc.uu.net!ffx.uu.net!in3.uu.net!news1-gui.server.ntli.net!news-feed.ntli.net!news7-gui.server.ntli.net!news-feed.ntli.net!shippo.virgin.net!nobody Kirk Is wrote: > > You know, in a few labs I've seen pictures of the mona lisa or naked woman > in ascii art- usually on more than one page of printout. Does anyone have > any folklore about these? Where they originated, if they predate FTP, how > they were archived, if they were made by hand or with clever conversion > programs? > I recall that a long time ago (perhaps the late 1970s) one UK magazine (TV Times?) had a set of instructions for making such a picture of Prince Charles on a standard typewriter. This consisted of overprinting each line up to 3 times with different characters. I did about the first 10 lines then gave up. This was taken from a book that contained instructions for many such pictures, which could be ordered from the said magazine. ###### From: jcmorris@jmorris-pc.MITRE.ORG (Joe Morris) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Old naked woman ASCII art Date: 29 Apr 1999 13:10:55 GMT Organization: The MITRE Corporation Lines: 32 Message-ID: <7g9lov$2ig@top.mitre.org> References: <7g7mbg$i7g$2@news3.tufts.edu> <7g7t4n$s1k$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> <7g9e7r$tu9$1@antiochus.ultra.net> Reply-To: jcmorris@linus.mitre.org NNTP-Posting-Host: jmorris-pc.mitre.org X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.0 (NOV) Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsswitch.lcs.mit.edu!world!blanket.mitre.org!news.mitre.org!jmorris-pc.MITRE.ORG!jcmorris jmfbahciv@aol.com writes: >Right. There was a lot of stuff. But it was always the naked >lady that got printed first [broadly grinning emoticon here]. >IIRC, the same package also contained software that would >take any ASCII input and print it sideways so that one could >produce a banner for protest marches, etc. Of course, whenever >someone tried to print one for the first time, s/he always >forgot to disengage the carriage control tape on the printer. As someone else has noted, the so-called "ASCII art" master(?)pieces not only predate FTP, they predate the electronic computer by a long time. Back in the 1950s one of the amateur radio magazines (probably _CQ_) would print examples of the Christmas cards that hams had created using their TeleType machines (and I don't think that I ever saw one that used overprinting), but the hams routinely credited the origin of the practice to the pre-WWII teleprinter operators. One variant of the "nekkid lady" printout that I've not seen mentioned here was the strip-tease. At my PPOE back in the 1960s there was a program that ran on the 1401 (from a tape drive) that allowed the operator to print several picture of a woman on the 1403 printer, removing articles of clothing by changing the sense switch settings. the last printout (with all clothing "removed") put her behind a modesty panel. Of course, none of this would be considered acceptable in today's environment, but in the 1960s it was so common as to be rather unremarkable, and a shop that didn't have some "nekkid lady" artwork was probably the exception. Joe Morris ###### From: kisrael@allegro.cs.tufts.edu (Kirk Is) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Old naked woman ASCII art Date: 29 Apr 1999 15:05:57 GMT Organization: Tufts University Lines: 33 Message-ID: <7g9sgl$l9e$3@news3.tufts.edu> References: <7g7mbg$i7g$2@news3.tufts.edu> <7g7t4n$s1k$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> <7g9e7r$tu9$1@antiochus.ultra.net> <7g9lov$2ig@top.mitre.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: allegro.eecs.tufts.edu X-Trace: news3.tufts.edu 925398357 21806 (None) 192.138.177.97 X-Complaints-To: news@news.tufts.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.belnet.be!newspump.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!feeder.qis.net!yellow.newsread.com!netaxs.com!newsread.com!usenet.logical.net!news.tufts.edu!allegro!kisrael There are two major types of ASCII art, with some overlap: Ones that work on the very small level, where choosing the right character for it's shape is crucial, like my old self-portrait: _____ -O\O ( = ) Usually done by hand. I remember seeing an old puzzle book that had "typewriter toons", little jokes you could make, something like / ..... / Which was a bunch of ants marching by a blade of grass (they were funnier than that, however, and reliant on overstriking and positioning the paper.) and then there's the type that is much more dependent on characters for what shade of grey the represent. These are usually larger, and can be automated. There's a hybrid of these too, where you choose characters based on what part of the box they fill. it's funny, how despite the prevalance of bitmapped displays, because terminals didn't do overstrike, overstrike may never really return.... -- Kirk Israel - kisrael@cs.tufts.edu - http://www.alienbill.com "The desires of the heart are as crooked as corkscrews." --W.H.Auden ###### From: glass2@glass2.lexington.ibm.com Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Old naked woman ASCII art Date: 29 Apr 1999 16:53:25 GMT Organization: IBM Austin Lines: 79 Message-ID: <7ga2q5$16ge$1@ausnews.austin.ibm.com> References: <7g7mbg$i7g$2@news3.tufts.edu> <7g7t4n$s1k$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> <7g9e7r$tu9$1@antiochus.ultra.net> <7g9lov$2ig@top.mitre.org> <7g9nra$m7t$6@ligarius.ultra.net> Reply-To: glass2@glass2.lexington.ibm.com NNTP-Posting-Host: glass2.cv.lexington.ibm.com X-Newsreader: IBM NewsReader/2 2.0 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!nyd.news.ans.net!news.chips.ibm.com!newsfeed.btv.ibm.com!rtpnews.raleigh.ibm.com!ausnews.austin.ibm.com!not-for-mail In <7g9nra$m7t$6@ligarius.ultra.net>, jmfbahciv@aol.com writes: >In article <7g9lov$2ig@top.mitre.org>, > jcmorris@jmorris-pc.MITRE.ORG (Joe Morris) wrote: >>jmfbahciv@aol.com writes: >> >>>Right. There was a lot of stuff. But it was always the naked >>>lady that got printed first [broadly grinning emoticon here]. >>>IIRC, the same package also contained software that would >>>take any ASCII input and print it sideways so that one could >>>produce a banner for protest marches, etc. Of course, whenever >>>someone tried to print one for the first time, s/he always >>>forgot to disengage the carriage control tape on the printer. >> >>As someone else has noted, the so-called "ASCII art" master(?)pieces >>not only predate FTP, they predate the electronic computer by a long >>time. Back in the 1950s one of the amateur radio magazines (probably >>_CQ_) would print examples of the Christmas cards that hams had >>created using their TeleType machines (and I don't think that I ever >>saw one that used overprinting), but the hams routinely credited >>the origin of the practice to the pre-WWII teleprinter operators. > >Neat. > >> >>One variant of the "nekkid lady" printout that I've not seen mentioned >>here was the strip-tease. At my PPOE back in the 1960s there was >>a program that ran on the 1401 (from a tape drive) that allowed the >>operator to print several picture of a woman on the 1403 printer, >>removing articles of clothing by changing the sense switch settings. >>the last printout (with all clothing "removed") put her behind a >>modesty panel. > >What's that saying about "...the price of their toys"? :-) >> >>Of course, none of this would be considered acceptable in today's >>environment, but in the 1960s it was so common as to be rather >>unremarkable, and a shop that didn't have some "nekkid lady" artwork >>was probably the exception. > >Yeah, I think of it as regression. Although, after the nekkid lady >was printed, I did ask where was nekkid man with great interest. >I got strange looks...for some reason :-))). > >/BAH > > >Subtract a hundred and four for e-mail. I remember that in a high school typing class (mid 1970s), we used to type pictures of things (Think of it as finger exercises and coordination improvement drills.). I can remember sheets of instructions (e.g., 8 spaces, 3 '#', 4 spaces, 5 '@', etc.) which, when followed, would result in pictures of presidents, houses, Snoopy, etc. (But, NEVER any nekkid ladies.). It would have been a small step from typing one of these on a typewriter to producing one on a teletype, especially if it had been keyed into a paper tape. I can also remember the card decks for things such as the Star Trek Enterprise (prized even more than the nekkid ladies by certain of the computer geeks), Snoopy on his dog-house, and a nekkid lady with a calendar which advertised a certain brand of mainframe (CDC?). I may even still have some of the instruction sheets for the typing class, and some of the printouts (No, you're NOT getting my Snoopy!). Unfortunately, I wasn't priviledged enough to actually get any of the card decks to produce such images (Not that it would matter much now, since it's so hard to find a card reader.). I suppose it would be possible to OCR the printouts to recreate the card decks (if anyone could find a card punch). Dave P.S. Standard Disclaimer: I work for them, but I don't speak for them. P.P.S. I think I still do have a banner program for a 1403 line printer, mostly written in Fortran. That is, if I didn't lose it that time I tried to format a temp disk when I had the flu, and missed! :-/ ###### Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!usenet From: Neil Franklin Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Old naked woman ASCII art Date: 29 Apr 1999 21:14:52 +0200 Organization: My own Private Self Lines: 55 Sender: neil@chonsp.franklin.ch Message-ID: <6u676ffdcj.fsf@chonsp.franklin.ch> References: <7g7mbg$i7g$2@news3.tufts.edu> <7g7t4n$s1k$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> <7g9e7r$tu9$1@antiochus.ultra.net> <7g9lov$2ig@top.mitre.org> <7g9sgl$l9e$3@news3.tufts.edu> X-Newsreader: Gnus v5.3/Emacs 19.34 kisrael@allegro.cs.tufts.edu (Kirk Is) writes: > > Ones that work on the very small level, where choosing the right > character for it's shape is crucial, like my old self-portrait: Not to forget writing large characters that way. /" |_| /\ |) /\ /" "|" |_ |) <" \_ | | /--\ |\ /--\ \_ | |_ |\ _> There even exists an program to do that automatically, called Figlet, with an entire selection of fonts. > and then there's the type that is much more dependent on characters for > what shade of grey the represent. These are usually larger, and can be > automated. cCc H H [] RRb ! C H__H ][ R R @ C H""H [__] RRP ! "C" H H A A R 'b . is a quick and crude one And they can be even animated. I nearly fell over when I the first time saw an mated one on an PC 80x25 character screen, including digitalised and converted life video footage of the creators. They have written an library (aalib) that allows this to be done as if it were a graphics device. And an program that uses it (bbdemo). Generally alt.ascii-art is your friend here. > it's funny, how despite the prevalance of bitmapped displays, because > terminals didn't do overstrike, overstrike may never really return.... Overstriking does not work on an bitmap video display (or on an laser printer) because you cannnot set an black pixel to even blacker! OTOH there exists programs such as "less" which can recognize the char char pattern (and _ char) and send bold (and underline) escape sequences to an character or bitmap display (or laser printer). Spiffy when one has xterm and sets that to make man pages 3 colored (in my case background black, writing white bold green, underline yellow). -- Neil Franklin, Nerd, Geek, Unix Guru, Hacker, Mystic neil@franklin.ch.remove http://neil.franklin.ch/ 20th century record companies fit the 21st century data highways as good as 19th century stagecoaches fit the 20th century freeways ###### Date: 29 Apr 99 10:54:33 -0800 From: "Charlie Gibbs" Subject: Re: Old naked woman ASCII art References: <7g7mbg$i7g$2@news3.tufts.edu> <7g7t4n$s1k$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> <7g9e7r$tu9$1@antiochus.ultra.net> <7g9lov$2ig@top.mitre.org> <7g9nra$m7t$6@ligarius.ultra.net> Message-ID: <1511.788T1680T6545417@sky.bus.com> Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Lines: 33 X-Newsreader: THOR 2.5a (Amiga;TCP/IP) NNTP-Posting-Host: news.skybus.com X-Trace: 29 Apr 1999 12:36:33 -0800, news.skybus.com Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!isdnet!netnews.com!news-peer1.sprintlink.net!news-in-west1.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.westel.com!news.skybus.com!204.244.247.118 In article <7g9nra$m7t$6@ligarius.ultra.net> jmfbahciv@aol.com (jmfbahciv) writes: >In article <7g9lov$2ig@top.mitre.org>, >jcmorris@jmorris-pc.MITRE.ORG (Joe Morris) wrote: > >>One variant of the "nekkid lady" printout that I've not seen >>mentioned here was the strip-tease. At my PPOE back in the >>1960s there was a program that ran on the 1401 (from a tape >>drive) that allowed the operator to print several picture of >>a woman on the 1403 printer, removing articles of clothing by >>changing the sense switch settings. the last printout (with >>all clothing "removed") put her behind a modesty panel. > >What's that saying about "...the price of their toys"? :-) But even then there could be budget toys. The version of the strip-tease that I saw was printed on a Univac 1004, which was basically a hopped-up electronic version of the IBM 407 accounting machine, complete with a 400-cpm reader and an early 400-lpm version of Univac's indestructible drum printer. It was programmed by wiring a plugboard, but it had a whopping 961 (31x31) 6-bit bytes of core (a second core bank was optionally available). Someone came up with a board called the "emulator", which made the 1004 act like a primitive stored-program computer. Later, some hardware modifications and a super-duper plug board full of transistors turned it into the 1005, which was still slow, but at least it was up to 4K of core by then. -- cgibbs@sky.bus.com (Charlie Gibbs) Remove the first period after the "at" sign to reply. ###### Date: 29 Apr 99 15:51:23 -0800 From: "Charlie Gibbs" Subject: Re: Old naked woman ASCII art References: <7g7mbg$i7g$2@news3.tufts.edu> <7g7t4n$s1k$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> <7g9e7r$tu9$1@antiochus.ultra.net> <7g9lov$2ig@top.mitre.org> <7g9sgl$l9e$3@news3.tufts.edu> <7gadl2$cm4@top.mitre.org> Message-ID: <862.788T1154T9514343@sky.bus.com> Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Lines: 20 X-Newsreader: THOR 2.5a (Amiga;TCP/IP) NNTP-Posting-Host: news.skybus.com X-Trace: 29 Apr 1999 16:16:25 -0800, news.skybus.com Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-peer1.sprintlink.net!news-in-west1.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.westel.com!news.skybus.com!204.244.247.111 In article <7gadl2$cm4@top.mitre.org> jcmorris@jmorris-pc.MITRE.ORG (Joe Morris) writes: >That first page included a gray scale (aka "chip chart") with various >overstrike patterns. My memory on this is as fuzzy as an exhausted >keypunch ribbon (see the recent thread -- pun *not* intended) but I >seem to recall that with a fresh ribbon and a clean type train the >chip chart could display perhaps 15 clearly distinguishable densities. On the other hand, I found that a somewhat worn ribbon gave a better gray scale whenever I printed these things. A brand-new ribbon would drop so much ink on the paper that overprinting wouldn't make it that much darker. I agree on the clean type train (or band, or bar, or whatever), though. Smudging was never a good thing. -- cgibbs@sky.bus.com (Charlie Gibbs) Remove the first period after the "at" sign to reply. ###### From: jt5555@epix.net (Julian Thomas) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Old naked woman ASCII art Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 18:33:34 -0400 Organization: epix Internet Services Lines: 21 Message-ID: <3728de51$1$wg$mr2ice@news.epix.net> References: <7g7mbg$i7g$2@news3.tufts.edu> <7g7t4n$s1k$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> <7g9e7r$tu9$1@antiochus.ultra.net> <7g9lov$2ig@top.mitre.org> <7g9nra$m7t$6@ligarius.ultra.net> <1511.788T1680T6545417@sky.bus.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: itha-125ppp41.epix.net X-Newsreader: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v1.60 b60 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!isdnet!newspump.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news-xfer.epix.net!news1.epix.net!epix-news In <1511.788T1680T6545417@sky.bus.com>, on 04/29/99 at 10:54 AM, "Charlie Gibbs" said: >>>there was a program that ran on the 1401 (from a tape >>>drive) that allowed the operator to print several picture of >>>a woman on the 1403 printer, removing articles of clothing by >>>changing the sense switch settings. the last printout (with >>>all clothing "removed") put her behind a modesty panel. EDIE -- Julian Thomas: jt 5555 at epix dot net http://home.epix.net/~jt remove numerics for email Boardmember of POSSI.org - Phoenix OS/2 Society, Inc http://www.possi.org In the beautiful Finger Lakes Wine Country of New York State! -- -- OS/2: Your brain. Windows: Your brain on drugs. ###### From: jcmorris@jmorris-pc.MITRE.ORG (Joe Morris) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Old naked woman ASCII art Date: 29 Apr 1999 19:48:04 GMT Organization: The MITRE Corporation Lines: 44 Message-ID: <7gad1k$cem@top.mitre.org> References: <7g7mbg$i7g$2@news3.tufts.edu> <37287F36.A86D24B6@indyice.com> Reply-To: jcmorris@linus.mitre.org NNTP-Posting-Host: jmorris-pc.mitre.org X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.0 (NOV) Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!feed2.news.luth.se!luth.se!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.fas.harvard.edu!news.tufts.edu!blanket.mitre.org!news.mitre.org!jmorris-pc.MITRE.ORG!jcmorris "Mark P." writes: >Kirk Is wrote: >> You know, in a few labs I've seen pictures of the mona lisa or naked >> woman >> in ascii art- usually on more than one page of printout. Does anyone >> have >> any folklore about these? >There were also the calendars, with the ascii art at the top. I seem to >remember that Snoopy of Peanuts fame was very popular. And the ubiquitous Alfred E. Newman pictures. Lots of students got (and still get) the idea that adding cute touches to computer output is (in today's parlance) "cool". It can backfire, however: One day in 1962 I was helping the lab instructor in MIT's freshman computer course (6.41, "Introduction to Automatic Computation"; supposedly taught by Marvin Minsky but actually taught by the grad instructor, Bob Fabry). The students had a programming assignment to write a square-root subroutine in FORTRAN, with extra credit for diagnosing a negative argument. Most of the students did recognize a negative argument, and several of them printed a picture of Alfred E. Neuman above the error message. Some of the pictures were quite good -- *especially* for students who supposedly are writing their first FORTRAN program. That's fine so far, but (especially that long ago) one should expect eyebrows to rise when the text of the error message could be classified as somewhat obscene. One should expect even higher eyebrows if *two* students use the identical obscene error message and high-quality Alfred E. Neuman picture...especially when their similar output prompted a closer look at their programs, which turned out to be almost identical. (Yes, they were both pledges at the same fraternity.) One could say that ASCII art (well..."BCD art" at that time) is fine in its place, but it should not be used in a half-ASCII fashion. Joe Morris ###### From: jcmorris@jmorris-pc.MITRE.ORG (Joe Morris) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Old naked woman ASCII art Date: 29 Apr 1999 19:58:26 GMT Organization: The MITRE Corporation Lines: 21 Message-ID: <7gadl2$cm4@top.mitre.org> References: <7g7mbg$i7g$2@news3.tufts.edu> <7g7t4n$s1k$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> <7g9e7r$tu9$1@antiochus.ultra.net> <7g9lov$2ig@top.mitre.org> <7g9sgl$l9e$3@news3.tufts.edu> Reply-To: jcmorris@linus.mitre.org NNTP-Posting-Host: jmorris-pc.mitre.org X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.0 (NOV) Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.belnet.be!news-feed.inet.tele.dk!bofh.vszbr.cz!newsfeed.stanford.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.fas.harvard.edu!news.tufts.edu!blanket.mitre.org!news.mitre.org!jmorris-pc.MITRE.ORG!jcmorris kisrael@allegro.cs.tufts.edu (Kirk Is) writes: >and then there's the type that is much more dependent on characters for >what shade of grey the represent. These are usually larger, and can be >automated. That technique wasn't the exclusive property of the artists. For a long time there were certain applications that needed to be able to output 3D information as shaded regions on a 2D graph. When our facility got requests for these jobs to be run they had to make sure that the printer had a new ribbon, and had instructions in the run book to check the first output page before allowing the job's output to print. That first page included a gray scale (aka "chip chart") with various overstrike patterns. My memory on this is as fuzzy as an exhausted keypunch ribbon (see the recent thread -- pun *not* intended) but I seem to recall that with a fresh ribbon and a clean type train the chip chart could display perhaps 15 clearly distinguishable densities. Joe Morris ###### From: Eivind Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Old naked woman ASCII art Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 23:18:44 +0200 Organization: UNINETT news service Lines: 11 Sender: db96ek@solo.hib.no Message-ID: References: <7g7mbg$i7g$2@news3.tufts.edu> <7g7t4n$s1k$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> <7g9e7r$tu9$1@antiochus.ultra.net> <7g9lov$2ig@top.mitre.org> <7g9sgl$l9e$3@news3.tufts.edu> <6u676ffdcj.fsf@chonsp.franklin.ch> Reply-To: ekj@vestdata.no NNTP-Posting-Host: solo.hib.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Trace: snipp.uninett.no 925420556 12514 158.37.86.20 (29 Apr 1999 21:15:56 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news-abuse@uninett.no In-Reply-To: <6u676ffdcj.fsf@chonsp.franklin.ch> Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.belnet.be!news-feed.inet.tele.dk!bofh.vszbr.cz!uninett.no!solo.hib.no!db96ek On 29 Apr 1999, Neil Franklin wrote: >They have written an library (aalib) that allows this to be done as if >it were a graphics device. And an program that uses it (bbdemo). Aye. It's well worth the download. There even exist a verion of doom linked against aalib. doom in ascii-art version. Gotta love it. mvh, Eivind ###### From: michael.wojcik@merant.com (Michael Wojcik) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Old naked woman ASCII art Date: 30 Apr 1999 01:17:13 GMT Organization: MERANT Inc. Lines: 65 Message-ID: <7gb0ap$a2k@news1.newsguy.com> References: <7g7mbg$i7g$2@news3.tufts.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: p-030.newsdawg.com X-Newsreader: xrn 9.00 Originator: mww@raederle.microfocus.com Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.corridex.com!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!pln-w!spln!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!michael.wojcik In article <7g7mbg$i7g$2@news3.tufts.edu>, kisrael@allegro.cs.tufts.edu (Kirk Is) writes: > You know, in a few labs I've seen pictures of the mona lisa or naked woman > in ascii art- usually on more than one page of printout. Does anyone have > any folklore about these? Where they originated, if they predate FTP, how > they were archived, if they were made by hand or with clever conversion > programs? In afc tradition, I must reminisce. Among the projects I worked on at IBM were two X Windows graphics extensions - XGKS, an implementation of the 2D GKS library used by some scientific software, and PEX, a 3D extension. We were working on PC RTs running AOS, essentially a rebadged BSD 4.x Unix, and our machine hostnames were all the names of painters - picasso, rosetti, davinci, and so on. I had a machine named matisse, so to decorate the motd (the Unix "message of the day" file that's displayed for users as they log in) I created a lovely, if somewhat simplified, ASCII rendition of Henri M's Blue Nude, a poster of which (supplied by the group leader, the generous and talented Amy Pitts) hung on the wall in the office. IBM Cambridge was a casual place. On rare occasions, however, we had to endure suit invasions from corporateland (ie. any of several cites in eastern New York). During one such I was called on to provide an impromptu demo - and was informed by the attending alien that ASCII pictures of naked women were not appropriate for IBM equipment. Which lead to version 1.1 (Wed Dec 20 18:07:21 EST 1989): / '` \ / '\ | / / | | / / | | ,' / | | | |~~`_ | | ~ | | - | \ | / )O |_( \_---_D | ((( --l E`. _------__ | O | R | ' ` \ _-' -_O_-' `---____--' ` ~~~~~'_ `--_S ` / --__ N`. / `| | / \ E | IBM | |\ | | `-_C_-' | / | Big Blue Nude (miketisse) Fans of the Cubists will note the stunning resemblance to the original. Michael Wojcik michael.wojcik@merant.com AAI Development, MERANT (block capitals are a company mandate) Department of English, Miami University An intense imaginative activity accompanied by a psychological and moral passivity is bound eventually to result in a curbing of the growth to maturity and in consequent artistic repetitiveness and stultification. -- D. S. Savage ###### From: cmaurer@dhc.net (Chuck Maurer) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Old naked woman ASCII art Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 02:30:01 GMT Organization: Digital Highway (using Airnews.net!) Lines: 42 Message-ID: <7E01AB61BD0657D5.9B1451D0BA549A2C.5C68FE0680E057A5@library-proxy.airnews.net> X-Orig-Message-ID: <37291097.5830499@news.dhc.net> References: <7g7mbg$i7g$2@news3.tufts.edu> <1462.787T2538T8566079@sky.bus.com> Abuse-Reports-To: abuse at dhc.net to report improper postings NNTP-Proxy-Relay: library3 NNTP-Posting-Time: Thu Apr 29 21:31:05 1999 NNTP-Posting-Host: !`,R?4b"S-0MPF< (Encoded at Airnews!) X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp.primenet.com!news.airnews.net!cabal10.airnews.net!cabal1.airnews.net!news-f.iadfw.net!usenet On 28 Apr 99 14:16:50 -0800, "Charlie Gibbs" wrote: >In article <7g7mbg$i7g$2@news3.tufts.edu> kisrael@allegro.cs.tufts.edu >(Kirk Is) writes: > >>You know, in a few labs I've seen pictures of the mona lisa or naked >>woman in ascii art- usually on more than one page of printout. Does >>anyone have any folklore about these? Where they originated, if they >>predate FTP, how they were archived, if they were made by hand or with >>clever conversion programs? > >I have a rather large collection of these things, which started when >I was in university (circa 1969). Most of them I got as card decks >or disk or tape files, but I do remember painstakingly punching one >deck from a printout. > >No doubt most of them were made up by hand, but some were digitized. >I have a number of pictures that were produced by overprinting each >line five times or more to get the desired shading, as well as >carefully choosing the characters in each cell. My largest picture >is one of the moon - you had to separate the printout into five >sections and tape them together to form the final picture, which >was about 5 feet square. It totaled about 9300 line images - far >too much for even a dedicated hacker to want to tackle, I think. >I'd love to try converting it to a 640x480 grayscale picture - >it would probably look quite nice on a modern screen. I had one of a plane flying by a suspension bridge. It was 8 panels wide. You had to have a large section of unused wall to display it. I seem to remember something on them that they came from Princeton. > >Fortunately I got the collection off 9-track tape and onto >floppies while I had the chance. > >-- >cgibbs@sky.bus.com (Charlie Gibbs) >Remove the first period after the "at" sign to reply. > --- Chuck Maurer / Dallas ###### From: Robert Billing Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Old naked woman ASCII art Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 07:28:21 +0000 Organization: Tanglewood Message-ID: <37295B95.7843484E@tnglwood.demon.co.uk> References: <7g7mbg$i7g$2@news3.tufts.edu> <7g7t4n$s1k$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> <7g9e7r$tu9$1@antiochus.ultra.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: tnglwood.demon.co.uk:158.152.132.30 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 925458651 nnrp-08:11045 NO-IDENT tnglwood.demon.co.uk:158.152.132.30 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.07 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.31 i586) Lines: 15 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newscore.univie.ac.at!195.211.211.32.MISMATCH!newscore.gigabell.net!newscore.ipf.de!newsfeed.tli.de!newsfeed.nacamar.de!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!tnglwood.demon.co.uk!not-for-mail jmfbahciv@aol.com wrote: > IIRC, the same package also contained software that would > take any ASCII input and print it sideways so that one could I wrote one of these when I was working for a bank on Wall St in 78, we had "Merry Christmas, Happy New Year" around two sides of the office. I then had to run it again to do "Happy Hannukah" (sp?) for the other side. -- I am Robert Billing, Christian, inventor, traveller, cook and animal lover, I live near 0:46W 51:22N. http://www.tnglwood.demon.co.uk/ "Bother," said Pooh, "Eeyore, ready two photon torpedoes and lock phasers on the Heffalump, Piglet, meet me in transporter room three" ###### From: dpeschel@u.washington.edu (Derek Peschel) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Old naked woman ASCII art Date: 30 Apr 1999 08:01:06 GMT Organization: University of Washington, Seattle Lines: 14 Message-ID: <7gbo02$lnk$1@nntp1.u.washington.edu> References: <7g7mbg$i7g$2@news3.tufts.edu> <7g7t4n$s1k$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> <7g9e7r$tu9$1@antiochus.ultra.net> <37295B95.7843484E@tnglwood.demon.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: saul2.u.washington.edu X-Trace: nntp1.u.washington.edu 925459266 22260 (None) 140.142.17.37 X-Complaints-To: help@cac.washington.edu NNTP-Posting-User: dpeschel Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!192.220.250.21!netnews1.nw.verio.net!netnews.nwnet.net!news.verio.net!news.u.washington.edu!dpeschel In article <37295B95.7843484E@tnglwood.demon.co.uk>, Robert Billing wrote: > I wrote one of these when I was working for a bank on Wall St in 78, we >had "Merry Christmas, Happy New Year" around two sides of the office. I >then had to run it again to do "Happy Hannukah" (sp?) for the other >side. A triangular office? That's novel. Or maybe you meant the other side of the paper. -- Derek ###### From: chriss@uk.uu.net (Chris Stratford) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Old naked woman ASCII art Date: 30 Apr 1999 08:50:20 GMT Organization: UUNET WorldCom server (post doesn't reflect views of UUNET WorldCom) Lines: 18 Message-ID: <7gbqsc$t78$1@wave.cam.uk.internal> References: <7g7mbg$i7g$2@news3.tufts.edu> <7g7t4n$s1k$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> <7g9e7r$tu9$1@antiochus.ultra.net> <37295B95.7843484E@tnglwood.demon.co.uk> Reply-To: Chris.Stratford@uk.uu.net NNTP-Posting-Host: anduin.cam.uk.internal Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Newsreader: knews 1.0b.0 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.monmouth.com!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!grot.news.pipex.net!pipex!wave.news.pipex.net!wave.puck.pipex.net!pipex!not-for-mail In article <37295B95.7843484E@tnglwood.demon.co.uk>, Robert Billing writes: > I wrote one of these when I was working for a bank on Wall St in 78, we > had "Merry Christmas, Happy New Year" around two sides of the office. I > then had to run it again to do "Happy Hannukah" (sp?) for the other > side. My favourite one of these was hung on the wall of one of the terminal rooms at University (UKC). It was about ten sheets long with the words "Don't waste paper"! Chris. -- Chris Stratford Email: Chris.Stratford@uk.uu.net UK Postmaster Voice: +44(0)1223 250690 UUNET Fax: +44(0)1223 250650 An MCI WorldCom Company WWW: http://www.uk.uu.net ###### From: hshubs@mindspring.com (Howard S Shubs) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Old naked woman ASCII art Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 09:31:47 -0500 Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Lines: 11 Message-ID: References: <7g7mbg$i7g$2@news3.tufts.edu> <7g7t4n$s1k$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> <7g9e7r$tu9$1@antiochus.ultra.net> <37295B95.7843484E@tnglwood.demon.co.uk> <7gbo02$lnk$1@nntp1.u.washington.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: d1.56.d5.9e X-Server-Date: 30 Apr 1999 14:29:46 GMT Mail-Copies-To: never X-Newsreader: MT-NewsWatcher 2.4.4 X-Face: "S"r{U%bs].&Ud}Pc~~~0a]M:t5l>>EN\1Faw10M9NK1Xq59wo7-"s0S+[{etQorO /Nf-Ci"i9v'MT!R8)J]N[4|2&x1r^Iq&{SB"6dknr0=+6UFb.>+{zMn_1=rw&/V+"d@* ZS5\LoW_ Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!isdnet!howland.erols.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!firehose.mindspring.com!hshubs In article <7gbo02$lnk$1@nntp1.u.washington.edu>, dpeschel@u.washington.edu (Derek Peschel) wrote: >A triangular office? That's novel. Or maybe you meant the other side of the >paper. I work in a triangular building. Rare, yes, but understandable when you consider that Arco built the thing. The whole place has triangles as a motif. -- Howard S Shubs The Denim Adept ###### From: Robert Billing Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Old naked woman ASCII art Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 12:06:53 +0000 Organization: Tanglewood Message-ID: <37299CDD.6A436D30@tnglwood.demon.co.uk> References: <7g7mbg$i7g$2@news3.tufts.edu> <7g7t4n$s1k$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> <7g9e7r$tu9$1@antiochus.ultra.net> <37295B95.7843484E@tnglwood.demon.co.uk> <7gbo02$lnk$1@nntp1.u.washington.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: tnglwood.demon.co.uk:158.152.132.30 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 925480493 nnrp-07:25937 NO-IDENT tnglwood.demon.co.uk:158.152.132.30 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.07 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.31 i586) Lines: 15 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!isdnet!newsfeed.tli.de!newsfeed.nacamar.de!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!tnglwood.demon.co.uk!not-for-mail Derek Peschel wrote: > A triangular office? That's novel. Or maybe you meant the other side of the > paper. This sort of thing always happens. I didn't go over the windows, just the, "brick and rivet, steel and lime"[1] walls. [1] I may have got the quote wrong. -- I am Robert Billing, Christian, inventor, traveller, cook and animal lover, I live near 0:46W 51:22N. http://www.tnglwood.demon.co.uk/ "Bother," said Pooh, "Eeyore, ready two photon torpedoes and lock phasers on the Heffalump, Piglet, meet me in transporter room three" ###### From: jt5555@epix.net (Julian Thomas) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Old naked woman ASCII art Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 12:09:30 -0400 Organization: epix Internet Services Lines: 19 Message-ID: <3729d5cb$1$wg$mr2ice@news.epix.net> References: <7g7mbg$i7g$2@news3.tufts.edu> <7gb0ap$a2k@news1.newsguy.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: itha-125ppp51.epix.net X-Newsreader: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v1.60 b60 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news-fra1.dfn.de!fu-berlin.de!newsfeed.nacamar.de!news.maxwell.syr.edu!netnews.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news-xfer.epix.net!news1.epix.net!epix-news In <7gb0ap$a2k@news1.newsguy.com>, on 04/30/99 at 01:17 AM, michael.wojcik@merant.com (Michael Wojcik) said: > We were working >on PC RTs running AOS, essentially a rebadged BSD 4.x Unix, and our >machine hostnames were all the names of painters - picasso, er - wasn't that AIX? -- Julian Thomas: jt 5555 at epix dot net http://home.epix.net/~jt remove numerics for email Boardmember of POSSI.org - Phoenix OS/2 Society, Inc http://www.possi.org In the beautiful Finger Lakes Wine Country of New York State! -- -- 99 percent of lawyers give the rest a bad name. ###### From: lingman@wcars05r.ca.nortel.com (Danny Lingman) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Old naked woman ASCII art Date: 30 Apr 1999 14:52:04 GMT Organization: Northern Telecom Lines: 18 Message-ID: <7gcg2k$8tk$2@bcarh8ab.ca.nortel.com> References: <7g7mbg$i7g$2@news3.tufts.edu> <7g7t4n$s1k$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> <7g9e7r$tu9$1@antiochus.ultra.net> <7g9lov$2ig@top.mitre.org> <7g9sgl$l9e$3@news3.tufts.edu> <6u676ffdcj.fsf@chonsp.franklin.ch> NNTP-Posting-Host: wcars05r.ca.nortel.com Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!isdnet!nntp.abs.net!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!130.185.14.36!torn!qcarh002.nortelnetworks.com!bcarh189.ca.nortel.com!bmerhc5e.ca.nortel.com!bcarh8ab.ca.nortel.com!wcars05r.ca.nortel.com!lingman In article , Eivind writes: |> On 29 Apr 1999, Neil Franklin wrote: |> |> >They have written an library (aalib) that allows this to be done as if |> >it were a graphics device. And an program that uses it (bbdemo). |> |> Aye. It's well worth the download. There even exist a verion of doom |> linked against aalib. doom in ascii-art version. Gotta love it. |> I tried to visualize what this would look like, and then it clicked - near the end of the movie "the Matrix", when Neo was able to directly see the flow of bytes - everything was done in black and green characters... All we need now is directX drivers for it... Dan. ###### From: sewardpm@aston.ac.uk (LP) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Old naked woman ASCII art Date: 30 Apr 1999 15:56:51 GMT Organization: Aston University Lines: 16 Message-ID: <7gcjs3$gbk$1@whatsit.aston.ac.uk> References: <7g7mbg$i7g$2@news3.tufts.edu> <7g7t4n$s1k$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> <7g9e7r$tu9$1@antiochus.ultra.net> <7g9lov$2ig@top.mitre.org> <7g9sgl$l9e$3@news3.tufts.edu> <6u676ffdcj.fsf@chonsp.franklin.ch> Reply-To: nospam@aston.ac.uk NNTP-Posting-Host: sudan.aston.ac.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Newsreader: knews 1.0b.1 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.imp.ch!newsfeed.sollentuna.se!diablo.dera.gov.uk!server1.netnews.ja.net!server2.netnews.ja.net!aston!not-for-mail Eivind typed stuff preceded by a > > On 29 Apr 1999, Neil Franklin wrote: > >>They have written an library (aalib) that allows this to be done as if >>it were a graphics device. And an program that uses it (bbdemo). > > Aye. It's well worth the download. There even exist a verion of doom > linked against aalib. doom in ascii-art version. Gotta love it. Wow! Where can I get a copy? -- -The Little Paul with the Big Kitbag lp @ freenet . co . uk ###### From: Tim Shoppa Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Old naked woman ASCII art Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 16:32:32 -0400 Organization: Trailing Edge Technology Message-ID: <3729DB20.6DC56D0E@trailing-edge.com> References: <1462.787T2538T8566079@sky.bus.com> <7gd2le$trk$1@uwm.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: trailing-edge.wdn.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.03Gold (X11; I; OpenVMS V7.0 DEC 3000 Model 300L) Lines: 29 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news-fra1.dfn.de!news0.de.colt.net!colt.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!feeder.qis.net!newspeer.monmouth.com!newspeer1.nac.net!news-xfer.newsread.com!netaxs.com!newsread.com!netaxs.newsread.com!usenet John G Dobnick wrote: > > From article <1462.787T2538T8566079@sky.bus.com>, by "Charlie Gibbs" : > > > > carefully choosing the characters in each cell. My largest picture > > is one of the moon - you had to separate the printout into five > > sections and tape them together to form the final picture, which > > was about 5 feet square. It totaled about 9300 line images - far > > > > Fortunately I got the collection off 9-track tape and onto > > floppies while I had the chance. > > Hmmm... I have a 9-track tape (in an old Exec-8 format -- SDF) that > contains a number of images. The *big* one is a 5-panel wide > portrait of J. S. Bach. (I also have a printed version of it, but haven't > unrolled it for maybe 10-15 years.) It's impressive. > > I _should_ think about converting it to a more "modern" media, I > suppose. 9-track is still widely used, and there are many data conversion companies (including mine) which can convert to "modern" media from 9-track and many much more arcahic formats. -- Tim Shoppa Email: shoppa@trailing-edge.com Trailing Edge Technology WWW: http://www.trailing-edge.com/ 7328 Bradley Blvd Voice: 301-767-5917 Bethesda, MD, USA 20817 Fax: 301-767-5927 ###### From: Clifton Ivy Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Old naked woman ASCII art Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 16:56:07 -0500 Organization: Purdue University Lines: 16 Message-ID: <372A26F7.D1CFD16F@purdue.edu> References: <7g7mbg$i7g$2@news3.tufts.edu> <7g7t4n$s1k$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> <7g9e7r$tu9$1@antiochus.ultra.net> <7g9lov$2ig@top.mitre.org> <7g9nra$m7t$6@ligarius.ultra.net> <1511.788T1680T6545417@sky.bus.com> <3728de51$1$wg$mr2ice@news.epix.net> Reply-To: clif@purdue.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: freh-d-132.freh.purdue.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: mozo.cc.purdue.edu 925509400 18535 128.210.103.132 (30 Apr 1999 21:56:40 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@mozo.cc.purdue.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 30 Apr 1999 21:56:40 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!mozo.cc.purdue.edu!not-for-mail The copy I have (on cards) was called "Edith" (but that may have just been written on the deck, not punched into it). And the "modesty panel" read "Contrary to popular opinion, even IBM can't do everything!". Julian Thomas wrote: snip... > >>>changing the sense switch settings. the last printout (with > >>>all clothing "removed") put her behind a modesty panel. > > EDIE ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ They're just my opinions... Clifton Ivy, Mgmt Info, Purdue University clif@purdue.edu ###### From: michael.wojcik@merant.com (Michael Wojcik) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Old naked woman ASCII art Date: 30 Apr 1999 19:24:17 GMT Organization: MERANT Inc. Lines: 59 Message-ID: <7gd011$1cub@news1.newsguy.com> References: <7g7mbg$i7g$2@news3.tufts.edu> <7gb0ap$a2k@news1.newsguy.com> <3729d5cb$1$wg$mr2ice@news.epix.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: p-106.newsdawg.com X-Newsreader: xrn 9.00 Originator: mww@raederle.microfocus.com Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.belnet.be!news-feed.inet.tele.dk!bofh.vszbr.cz!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!pln-w!spln!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!michael.wojcik In article <3729d5cb$1$wg$mr2ice@news.epix.net>, jt5555@epix.net (Julian Thomas) writes: > In <7gb0ap$a2k@news1.newsguy.com>, on 04/30/99 > at 01:17 AM, michael.wojcik@merant.com (Michael Wojcik) said: > > > We were working > >on PC RTs running AOS, essentially a rebadged BSD 4.x Unix, and our > >machine hostnames were all the names of painters - picasso, > > er - wasn't that AIX? Nope. AIX was the official OS for the RT - AIX 2, that is, up through 2.2.1. AIX 1 was an alternative OS for PS/2 systems, co-developed with IBM by Interactive Systems and I believe Locus. AOS was a port of BSD 4.2, and later 4.3, for the RT done by IBM ACIS (Academic Computing Information Services) at the Cambridge Scientific Center (in Massachu- setts). AOS stands for "Acadmic Operating System", where "Academic" was meant either in the sense of "available only to academic institutions" or "it's an academic question whether it's available at all". AOS actually had several additions to BSD 4.x, like NFS, plus pretty much all of the goodies from Project Athena and the Andrew Project. Most notable was probably AFS, the network filesystem of the gods, and Kerberos for user authentication (which AFS requires anyway). It also supported lots of IBM lab hardware that never made it to the commercial market, though some bits (like the ACIS Experimental Display, or AED) were distributed through the academic channel. I clipped the OS banner off the top of the motd in my previous message. It read: 4.3 BSD UNIX (MWW) #32: Wed Dec 20 18:07:21 EST 1989 IBM Academic Operating System 4.3 5799-WZQ (C) Copyright IBM Corporation 1986, 1987, 1988. All Rights Reserved. Licensed Materials - Property of IBM. In other words, my customized 4.3 BSD kernel, built 20 December 1989, as IBM Academic Operating System. (My kernel had device drivers for our experimental graphics hardware, the "betty board", and the xtrek hacks.) AOS lacked some of AIX's nice touches, like on-demand virtual consoles, but for the most part it was preferable. AIX was highly SysV and unfriendly. And we didn't have kernel source for it. See for more information on AOS and the RT. I think there are still some machines here and there running it, at places like CMU and MIT. Michael Wojcik michael.wojcik@merant.com AAI Development, MERANT (block capitals are a company mandate) Department of English, Miami University What is it with this warm, quiet, nauseating bond between them? -- Rumiko Takahashi, _Maison Ikkoku_, trans. Mari Morimoto, adapt. Gerard Jones ###### From: jgd@alpha3.csd.uwm.edu (John G Dobnick) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Old naked woman ASCII art Date: 30 Apr 1999 20:09:18 GMT Organization: University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee Lines: 23 Message-ID: <7gd2le$trk$1@uwm.edu> References: <1462.787T2538T8566079@sky.bus.com> Reply-To: jgd@alpha3.csd.uwm.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.89.169.203 Originator: jgd@alpha3.csd.uwm.edu Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!feed2.news.luth.se!luth.se!logbridge.uoregon.edu!uwm.edu!alpha3.csd.uwm.edu!jgd From article <1462.787T2538T8566079@sky.bus.com>, by "Charlie Gibbs" : > > carefully choosing the characters in each cell. My largest picture > is one of the moon - you had to separate the printout into five > sections and tape them together to form the final picture, which > was about 5 feet square. It totaled about 9300 line images - far > > Fortunately I got the collection off 9-track tape and onto > floppies while I had the chance. Hmmm... I have a 9-track tape (in an old Exec-8 format -- SDF) that contains a number of images. The *big* one is a 5-panel wide portrait of J. S. Bach. (I also have a printed version of it, but haven't unrolled it for maybe 10-15 years.) It's impressive. I _should_ think about converting it to a more "modern" media, I suppose. -- John G Dobnick "Knowing how things work is the basis Information & Media Technologies for appreciation, and is thus a University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee source of civilized delight." jgd@csd.uwm.edu ATTnet: (414) 229-5727 -- William Safire ###### From: glass2@glass2.lexington.ibm.com Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Old naked woman ASCII art Date: 30 Apr 1999 23:06:42 GMT Organization: IBM Austin Lines: 22 Message-ID: <7gdd22$1h20$1@ausnews.austin.ibm.com> References: <7g7mbg$i7g$2@news3.tufts.edu> <7g7t4n$s1k$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> <7g9e7r$tu9$1@antiochus.ultra.net> <37295B95.7843484E@tnglwood.demon.co.uk> <7gbo02$lnk$1@nntp1.u.washington.edu> Reply-To: glass2@glass2.lexington.ibm.com NNTP-Posting-Host: glass2.cv.lexington.ibm.com X-Newsreader: IBM NewsReader/2 2.0 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!feed2.news.luth.se!luth.se!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!nyd.news.ans.net!abq.news.ans.net!newsjunkie.ans.net!news.chips.ibm.com!newsfeed.btv.ibm.com!rtpnews.raleigh.ibm.com!ausnews.austin.ibm.com!not-for-mail In , hshubs@mindspring.com (Howard S Shubs) writes: >In article <7gbo02$lnk$1@nntp1.u.washington.edu>, >dpeschel@u.washington.edu (Derek Peschel) wrote: > >>A triangular office? That's novel. Or maybe you meant the other side of the >>paper. > >I work in a triangular building. Rare, yes, but understandable when you >consider that Arco built the thing. The whole place has triangles as a >motif. >-- >Howard S Shubs The Denim Adept You're lucky. I used to work in an octagonal building. People can tolerate 120 degree angles, but when you throw 45 degree angles at them, they lose count. I've seen people walk by my office three times, wondering when they'll come to the end of the hallway. :*) Dave P.S. Standard Disclaimer: I work for them, but I don't speak for them. ###### From: lemay@cs.umn.edu (Lawrence LeMay) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Old naked woman ASCII art Date: 1 May 1999 01:28:26 GMT Organization: Univ. of Minnesota, Twin Cities, Computer Science Dept Lines: 36 Message-ID: <7gdlbq$k6e$1@news1.tc.umn.edu> References: <7g7mbg$i7g$2@news3.tufts.edu> <7g7t4n$s1k$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: thorin.cs.umn.edu Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.nero.net!newshub.tc.umn.edu!news1.tc.umn.edu!lemay In article <7g7t4n$s1k$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>, wrote: >In article <7g7mbg$i7g$2@news3.tufts.edu>, > kisrael@allegro.cs.tufts.edu (Kirk Is) wrote: >> You know, in a few labs I've seen pictures of the mona lisa or naked woman >> in ascii art- usually on more than one page of printout. Does anyone have >> any folklore about these? Where they originated, if they predate FTP, how >> they were archived, if they were made by hand or with clever conversion >> programs? >> > >There were whole libraries of these in the late '60's (well before ftp), and >most were actually generated by programs. They were not exactly ascii art, >but were produced by selectively overprinting lines on a line printer to >produce density gradients. An exception was one variation on the Mona Lisa >done by CDC's graphics division in Burlington, MA. (formerly Digigraphics). >To produce this one, they digitized a copy of Mona, than ran it through a >program to produce a picture on a vector plotter with density gradients >provided by overplotting. Very good resolution at poster size. CDC used to >give them to customers as advertising tools. The library I was familiar with >was CDC specific, and it was distributed on 9-track tape. I'm sure, however, >that there were versions for other computers. > >BTW, it wasn't only naked ladies, there were pictures of the moon, startrek >stuff, scenery, and well, lost of naked ladies. > > >Joe "One life sized one fit on the door of a 6600" Yuska > Yes, I have teh files from that magnetic tape. Compressed, the files all fit on a pair of floppy disks. One of these days I need to find a working wide carriage printer, and some good wide fanfold paper... -Lawrence LeMay lemay@cs.umn.edu ###### From: cmaurer@dhc.net (Chuck Maurer) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Old naked woman ASCII art Date: Sat, 01 May 1999 02:14:55 GMT Organization: Digital Highway (using Airnews.net!) Lines: 19 Message-ID: <221CF82214AF84AE.F2B199707B21B3C6.7984430F0788E278@library-proxy.airnews.net> X-Orig-Message-ID: <372a5d35.2339652@news.dhc.net> References: <7g7mbg$i7g$2@news3.tufts.edu> <7g7t4n$s1k$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> <7g9e7r$tu9$1@antiochus.ultra.net> Abuse-Reports-To: abuse at dhc.net to report improper postings NNTP-Proxy-Relay: library.airnews.net NNTP-Posting-Time: Fri Apr 30 21:16:00 1999 NNTP-Posting-Host: !\iCY4b"SN:GOsP (Encoded at Airnews!) X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!nntp.giganews.com!news.airnews.net!cabal10.airnews.net!cabal1.airnews.net!news-f.iadfw.net!usenet On Thu, 29 Apr 99 09:17:01 GMT, jmfbahciv@aol.com wrote: >Right. There was a lot of stuff. But it was always the naked >lady that got printed first [broadly grinning emoticon here]. >IIRC, the same package also contained software that would >take any ASCII input and print it sideways so that one could >produce a banner for protest marches, etc. Of course, whenever >someone tried to print one for the first time, s/he always >forgot to disengage the carriage control tape on the printer. Was this the program that printed Gothic style lettering? I remember seeing a couple such programs running around. > >/BAH > >Subtract a hundred and four for e-mail. --- Chuck Maurer / Dallas ###### From: bmeyer@bruce.cs.monash.edu.au Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Old naked woman ASCII art Date: 1 May 1999 03:43:17 +1000 Organization: This is innd taking over... Lines: 19 Distribution: world Message-ID: <7gcq3l$n3c$1@wombat.cs.monash.edu.au> References: <7g7mbg$i7g$2@news3.tufts.edu> <7g7t4n$s1k$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> <7g9e7r$tu9$1@antiochus.ultra.net> <37295B95.7843484E@tnglwood.demon.co.uk> <7gbo02$lnk$1@nntp1.u.washington.edu> <37299CDD.6A436D30@tnglwood.demon.co.uk> Reply-To: bmeyer@bruce.cs.monash.edu.au NNTP-Posting-Host: modem21.cs.monash.edu.au X-Trace: towncrier.cc.monash.edu.au 925528973 2023 130.194.64.202 (1 May 1999 03:22:53 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@monash.edu.au NNTP-Posting-Date: 1 May 1999 03:22:53 GMT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!enews.sgi.com!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!towncrier.cc.monash.edu.au!wombat.cs.monash.edu.au!not-for-mail Robert Billing writes: >Derek Peschel wrote: >> A triangular office? That's novel. Or maybe you meant the other side of the >> paper. > This sort of thing always happens. I didn't go over the windows, just >the, "brick and rivet, steel and lime"[1] walls. I take it you and your cow-orkers are in the habit of entering your office via the windows, then? Bernie -- ============================================================================ "It's a magical world, Hobbes ol' buddy... ...let's go exploring" Calvin's final words, on December 31st, 1995 ###### From: jgd@alpha3.csd.uwm.edu (John G Dobnick) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Old naked woman ASCII art Date: 1 May 1999 05:40:29 GMT Organization: University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee Lines: 24 Message-ID: <7ge44d$gsa$1@uwm.edu> References: <3729DB20.6DC56D0E@trailing-edge.com> Reply-To: jgd@alpha3.csd.uwm.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.89.7.203 Originator: jgd@alpha3.csd.uwm.edu Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.belnet.be!news-feed.inet.tele.dk!bofh.vszbr.cz!newsfeed.stanford.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!uwm.edu!alpha3.csd.uwm.edu!jgd From article <3729DB20.6DC56D0E@trailing-edge.com>, by Tim Shoppa : > John G Dobnick wrote: >> >> Hmmm... I have a 9-track tape (in an old Exec-8 format -- SDF) that >> contains a number of images. The *big* one is a 5-panel wide > > 9-track is still widely used, and there are many data conversion > companies (including mine) which can convert to "modern" media from > 9-track and many much more arcahic formats. Copying the bytesd is not the problem. (And we have a _slow_ 9-trk drive on one of our Unix boxes.) It's _interpreting_ the bytes that's the problem. SDF format assumes you are using a 36-bit word, and the data itself is 6-bit characters. With intersperses control words containing _binary_ data length codes. Makes the conversion process "interresting", so say the least. -- John G Dobnick "Knowing how things work is the basis Information & Media Technologies for appreciation, and is thus a University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee source of civilized delight." jgd@csd.uwm.edu ATTnet: (414) 229-5727 -- William Safire ###### From: Robert Billing Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Old naked woman ASCII art Date: Sat, 01 May 1999 07:41:43 +0000 Organization: Tanglewood Message-ID: <372AB037.78016CA4@tnglwood.demon.co.uk> References: <7g7mbg$i7g$2@news3.tufts.edu> <7g7t4n$s1k$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> <7g9e7r$tu9$1@antiochus.ultra.net> <37295B95.7843484E@tnglwood.demon.co.uk> <7gbo02$lnk$1@nntp1.u.washington.edu> <37299CDD.6A436D30@tnglwood.demon.co.uk> <7gcq3l$n3c$1@wombat.cs.monash.edu.au> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: tnglwood.demon.co.uk:158.152.132.30 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 925545250 nnrp-10:22424 NO-IDENT tnglwood.demon.co.uk:158.152.132.30 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.07 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.31 i586) Lines: 13 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news-fra1.dfn.de!news0.de.colt.net!colt.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!tnglwood.demon.co.uk!not-for-mail bmeyer@bruce.cs.monash.edu.au wrote: > I take it you and your cow-orkers are in the habit of entering your > office via the windows, then? No, the banner was stuck to the door, then two neat cuts made to allow the door to open. -- I am Robert Billing, Christian, inventor, traveller, cook and animal lover, I live near 0:46W 51:22N. http://www.tnglwood.demon.co.uk/ "Bother," said Pooh, "Eeyore, ready two photon torpedoes and lock phasers on the Heffalump, Piglet, meet me in transporter room three" ###### From: jmfbahciv@aol.com Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Old naked woman ASCII art Date: Sat, 01 May 99 09:02:08 GMT Organization: UltraNet Communications, Inc. Lines: 25 Message-ID: <7gem4i$j3t$4@antiochus.ultra.net> References: <7g7mbg$i7g$2@news3.tufts.edu> <7g7t4n$s1k$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> <7g9e7r$tu9$1@antiochus.ultra.net> <221CF82214AF84AE.F2B199707B21B3C6.7984430F0788E278@library-proxy.airnews.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: d1.dial-16.mbo.ma.ultra.net X-Complaints-To: abuse@ultra.net X-Ultra-Time: 1 May 1999 10:47:46 GMT X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #4 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.monmouth.com!news.ultranet.com!d1 In article <221CF82214AF84AE.F2B199707B21B3C6.7984430F0788E278@library-proxy.airnews.n et>, cmaurer@dhc.net (Chuck Maurer) wrote: >On Thu, 29 Apr 99 09:17:01 GMT, jmfbahciv@aol.com wrote: > >>Right. There was a lot of stuff. But it was always the naked >>lady that got printed first [broadly grinning emoticon here]. >>IIRC, the same package also contained software that would >>take any ASCII input and print it sideways so that one could >>produce a banner for protest marches, etc. Of course, whenever >>someone tried to print one for the first time, s/he always >>forgot to disengage the carriage control tape on the printer. > >Was this the program that printed Gothic style lettering? >I remember seeing a >couple such programs running around. I have no idea. It was in 1969 and I had work to do. :-) I just noticed the guys playing around while I was breezing through the computer room. /BAH Subtract a hundred and four for e-mail. ###### Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Old naked woman ASCII art From: lisard@zetnet.co.uk X-Everything: Net-Tamer V 1.08X Date: 01 May 1999 14:22:37 GMT Message-ID: <372b0e2d$0$494@news.zetnet.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: man-022.dialup.zetnet.co.uk X-Trace: news.zetnet.co.uk 925568557 494 194.247.41.27 Lines: 17 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!peer.news.zetnet.net!master.news.zetnet.net!not-for-mail On 1999-04-29 jmfbahciv@aol.com said: :>Of course, none of this would be considered acceptable in today's :>environment, but in the 1960s it was so common as to be rather :>unremarkable, and a shop that didn't have some "nekkid lady" :>artwork was probably the exception. :Yeah, I think of it as regression. Although, after the nekkid lady :was printed, I did ask where was nekkid man with great interest. :I got strange looks...for some reason :-))). I always thought that the logical consequence of women's lib would be that there would be nekkid lady and nekkid man pictures side by side in the office... shame it never happened. There's still time. :> -- Communa (lisard@zetnet.co.uk) -- you know soft spoken changes nothing ###### From: slavins.at.hearsay.demon.co.uk@localhost (Simon Slavin) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Old naked woman ASCII art Date: Sat, 01 May 1999 22:41:31 +0100 Organization: First Sirian Bank Message-ID: References: <7g7mbg$i7g$2@news3.tufts.edu> <7g7qdp$eg0$1@flood.weeg.uiowa.edu> <7MKV2.15832$95.475479@news2.giganews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: hearsay.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: hearsay.demon.co.uk:194.222.24.177 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 925594879 nnrp-04:822 NO-IDENT hearsay.demon.co.uk:194.222.24.177 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net Lines: 23 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!hearsay.demon.co.uk!user In article <7MKV2.15832$95.475479@news2.giganews.com>, Mike Swaim wrote: > Douglas W. Jones,201H MLH,3193350740,3193382879 wrote: > : How was it digitized? Beats me. There were two or three nudes in > : circulation, as well as the Mona Lisa and Alfred E. Newman. > > I remember seeing Opus the penguin as well in the early '90s. If we're going to descend to the level of cartoons I'll just mention Snoopy calenders. Early 1980s. Type a year into a program (ran on a DEC-10) and it would generate a Snoopy calender for that year. Each month's page was decorated with a picture of Snoopy lying on his back on top of his kennel. The cannonnical version of Snoopy was, of course, held on paper tape since paper tape could be hidden from any- one who didn't the computer being used for frivolity. Simon. -- No junk email please. | [Furbies imitate their owners.] | "Where's the Furby?" | "Oh, he's alone in a dark corner writing | bad poetry."-- Rebecca Gray ###### From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Old naked woman ASCII art Date: 01 May 1999 18:09:52 -0700 Organization: Wheeler&Wheeler Lines: 25 Message-ID: References: <7g7mbg$i7g$2@news3.tufts.edu> <7gb0ap$a2k@news1.newsguy.com> <3729d5cb$1$wg$mr2ice@news.epix.net> Reply-To: Anne & Lynn Wheeler NNTP-Posting-Host: lynn-19.garlic.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii User-Agent: Gnus/5.07008 (Pterodactyl Gnus v0.80) Emacs/20.3 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!isdnet!netnews.com!newspeer1.nac.net!news.new-york.net!uunet!ffx.uu.net!in2.uu.net!bulb.garlic.com!not-for-mail PASC had done unix & locus ports to S/1 and some other platforms. PASC then started on a project to port BSD to ibm mainframe/370. This was going on in parallel with the austin work to retarget the 801/ROMP from the word processor market to the unix market. system was going to be called AIX, basically system V vIII but built on top of a hypervisor layer that looked like it was left over from the word processor effort ... called VRM. This is somewhat analogous ... but totally different from the AT&T work that ported unix on top of TSS/370. part way thru all this ... PACS/ACIS decided to retarget the BSD port from mainframe/370 to the PC/RT ... calling it AOS. Eventually, the mainframe port was revisited by the PASC/ACIS people ... but using Locus as the base ... which resulted in AIX/370 (and its companion AIX/PS2 ... both from the Locus base). -- -- Anne & Lynn Wheeler | lynn@garlic.com, finger for pgp key http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/ ###### From: Anne & Lynn Wheeler Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Old naked woman ASCII art Date: 02 May 1999 07:48:01 -0700 Organization: Wheeler&Wheeler Lines: 24 Message-ID: References: <7g7mbg$i7g$2@news3.tufts.edu> <7gb0ap$a2k@news1.newsguy.com> <3729d5cb$1$wg$mr2ice@news.epix.net> Reply-To: Anne & Lynn Wheeler NNTP-Posting-Host: lynn-19.garlic.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii User-Agent: Gnus/5.07008 (Pterodactyl Gnus v0.80) Emacs/20.3 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!korova.insync.net!uunet!ffx.uu.net!in3.uu.net!bulb.garlic.com!not-for-mail oh yes, AOS trivia now what was the C-compiler on AOS and why? there was work going on to do 370 backend for various compilers by a guy in STL. part way thru the activity ... he left and joined a small compiler company in santa cruz. a couple months later the BSD->370 port was launced. first couple weeks working out the details for the port ... I convinced the group to talk to guy that had left and was in santa cruz (since he was probably the most experienced and was most likely to provide 370 backend on the shortest possible schedule). In any case, that compiler was well integrated into the operation of the project by the time it was decided to redirect the effort from a 370 port to a PC/RT port. -- -- Anne & Lynn Wheeler | lynn@garlic.com, finger for pgp key http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/ ###### From: jmfbahciv@aol.com Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Old naked woman ASCII art Date: Sun, 02 May 99 09:11:12 GMT Organization: UltraNet Communications, Inc. Lines: 27 Message-ID: <7ghb1q$hnv$3@ligarius.ultra.net> References: <372b0e2d$0$494@news.zetnet.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: d14.dial-17.mbo.ma.ultra.net X-Complaints-To: abuse@ultra.net X-Ultra-Time: 2 May 1999 10:56:58 GMT X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #4 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!News.Amsterdam.UnisourceCS!masternews.telia.net!news.algonet.se!algonet!nntp.abs.net!netnews.com!newsswitch.lcs.mit.edu!news.ultranet.com!d14 In article <372b0e2d$0$494@news.zetnet.co.uk>, lisard@zetnet.co.uk wrote: > > >On 1999-04-29 jmfbahciv@aol.com said: > :>Of course, none of this would be considered acceptable in today's > :>environment, but in the 1960s it was so common as to be rather > :>unremarkable, and a shop that didn't have some "nekkid lady" > :>artwork was probably the exception. > > :Yeah, I think of it as regression. Although, after the nekkid lady > :was printed, I did ask where was nekkid man with great interest. > :I got strange looks...for some reason :-))). > >I always thought that the logical consequence of women's lib Grumble...mumble...don't get me started on that subject. > would be >that there would be nekkid lady and nekkid man pictures side by side in >the office... shame it never happened. There's still time. :> Nope. That was never in the tea leaves of that movement. And I've got other things to do :-). /BAH Subtract a hundred and four for e-mail. ###### Date: 02 May 99 12:46:48 -0800 From: "Charlie Gibbs" Subject: Re: Old naked woman ASCII art References: <7g7mbg$i7g$2@news3.tufts.edu> <7g7qdp$eg0$1@flood.weeg.uiowa.edu> <7MKV2.15832$95.475479@news2.giganews.com> Message-ID: <474.791T2449T7666134@sky.bus.com> Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Lines: 13 X-Newsreader: THOR 2.5a (Amiga;TCP/IP) NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.244.247.7 X-Trace: 2 May 1999 13:31:13 -0800, 204.244.247.7 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.belnet.be!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-peer1.sprintlink.net!news-in-east1.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.westel.com!news.skybus.com!204.244.247.110 In article slavins.at.hearsay.demon.co.uk@localhost (Simon Slavin) writes: >If we're going to descend to the level of cartoons I'll just mention >Snoopy calenders. Early 1980s. But Snoopy pictures themselves have been around since the late '60s at least. I never bothered keeping calendars when I snaffled the pictures - they're too... uhh... dated. -- cgibbs@sky.bus.com (Charlie Gibbs) Remove the first period after the "at" sign to reply. ###### Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers From: ehrice@his.com (Edward Rice) Subject: Re: Old naked woman ASCII art Message-ID: Organization: NDS Date: Mon, 03 May 1999 02:58:40 -0400 References: <7g7mbg$i7g$2@news3.tufts.edu> <7g7t4n$s1k$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> <7g9e7r$tu9$1@antiochus.ultra.net> <7g9lov$2ig@top.mitre.org> <7g9nra$m7t$6@ligarius.ultra.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: pm7m-12.his.com Lines: 52 X-Authenticated-User: ehrice Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.belnet.be!newspump.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news-xfer.newsread.com!netaxs.com!newsread.com!news4.his.com!user In article <7g9nra$m7t$6@ligarius.ultra.net>, jmfbahciv@aol.com wrote: > In article <7g9lov$2ig@top.mitre.org>, > jcmorris@jmorris-pc.MITRE.ORG (Joe Morris) wrote: > >jmfbahciv@aol.com writes: > > > >>Right. There was a lot of stuff. But it was always the naked > >>lady that got printed first [broadly grinning emoticon here]. > >>IIRC, the same package also contained software that would > >>take any ASCII input and print it sideways so that one could > >>produce a banner for protest marches, etc. Of course, whenever > >>someone tried to print one for the first time, s/he always > >>forgot to disengage the carriage control tape on the printer. > > > >As someone else has noted, the so-called "ASCII art" master(?)pieces > >not only predate FTP, they predate the electronic computer by a long > >time. Back in the 1950s one of the amateur radio magazines (probably > >_CQ_) would print examples of the Christmas cards that hams had > >created using their TeleType machines (and I don't think that I ever > >saw one that used overprinting), but the hams routinely credited > >the origin of the practice to the pre-WWII teleprinter operators. > > Neat. > > > > >One variant of the "nekkid lady" printout that I've not seen mentioned > >here was the strip-tease. At my PPOE back in the 1960s there was > >a program that ran on the 1401 (from a tape drive) that allowed the > >operator to print several picture of a woman on the 1403 printer, > >removing articles of clothing by changing the sense switch settings. > >the last printout (with all clothing "removed") put her behind a > >modesty panel. You wuz fooled. Sense A on a 1400-series was always up, I forget why. (Having it down did something oddball to the card reader, I think.) "Edith" was a little trickier than that. When you printed the young lady in question, Sense B reduced her dress to a halter-top and short skirt. Sense C trimmed that back to a very brief bikini (in the days when that was fairly risque'). If you turned Sense D on, you got a cutesie picture of the same woman with the above-mentioned modesty panel, in which was placed the text "Sorry, there are some things you can't do even with an IBM 1401." (Actually, it was, "SORRY, THERE ARE SOME THINGS YOU CAN'T DO EVEN WITH AN IBM 1401." But if you then flipped Sense E on, you got to see her fully nude, with a small caption at the bottom that said, "See, you really can do anything with an IBM 1401." ###### From: kisrael@allegro.cs.tufts.edu (Kirk Is) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Old naked woman ASCII art Date: 3 May 1999 14:29:19 GMT Organization: Tufts University Message-ID: <7gkbrv$s7n$2@news3.tufts.edu> References: <7g7mbg$i7g$2@news3.tufts.edu> <7g7t4n$s1k$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> <6u676ffdcj.fsf@chonsp.franklin.ch> NNTP-Posting-Host: allegro.eecs.tufts.edu X-Trace: news3.tufts.edu 925741759 28919 (None) 192.138.177.97 X-Complaints-To: news@news.tufts.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Lines: 23 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news-fra1.dfn.de!news-fra.pop.de!newsfeed.nacamar.de!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!newsswitch.lcs.mit.edu!world!blanket.mitre.org!news.tufts.edu!allegro!kisrael Neil Franklin (neil@franklin.ch.remove) wrote: > it were a graphics device. And an program that uses it (bbdemo). > Generally alt.ascii-art is your friend here. yeah, I wouldn't mind seeing some screenshots of aalib doom. Surprised the URL for it is so hard to find. > > it's funny, how despite the prevalance of bitmapped displays, because > > terminals didn't do overstrike, overstrike may never really return.... > Overstriking does not work on an bitmap video display (or on an laser > printer) because you cannnot set an black pixel to even blacker! No, but if you write one character over another one, there's a good chance a larger percentage of pixels in their overlapping box will be set, making it "darker" from a distance. -- Kirk Israel - kisrael@cs.tufts.edu - http://www.alienbill.com "Love isn't something you can wrap in chains and throw in a lake. That's Houdini. Love is liking someone a lot." --Jack Handey ###### From: Jan van den Broek Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Old naked woman ASCII art Date: 4 May 1999 07:42:07 +0200 Organization: Staats Ysbeer Beheer Lines: 15 Message-ID: <7gm1bf$bua$1@xs3.xs4all.nl> References: <7g7mbg$i7g$2@news3.tufts.edu> <7g7t4n$s1k$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> <7g9e7r$tu9$1@antiochus.ultra.net> <7g9lov$2ig@top.mitre.org> <7g9nra$m7t$6@ligarius.ultra.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: xs3.xs4all.nl X-Trace: news1.xs4all.nl 925796528 15092 194.109.6.44 (4 May 1999 05:42:08 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl NNTP-Posting-Date: 4 May 1999 05:42:08 GMT X-No-Ahbou: yes X-Order: Two pints of lager and a packet of crisps, please. X-Question: never, never known not even by many to exist X-rays: Do not expose this message to X-rays. X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.1 (NOV) Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news-fra1.dfn.de!news0.de.colt.net!newscore.gigabell.net!newscore.ipf.de!newsfeed.tli.de!newsfeed.wirehub.nl!xs4all!xs3.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail p.kerr@auckland.ac.nz (Peter Kerr) writes: [Snip] >naked woman art, old ASCII (7-bit, distinguished from >(naked woman art, new ASCII (8-bit)) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Does such a thing exist? To my knowledge there is ASCII (7 bits) and there are several extensionsets. -- Met groeten, | make it so Jan van den Broek | Make: don't know how to make it. Stop. balglaas@xs4all.nl | ----------------------------------------+--------------------------------------- ###### From: jmfbahciv@aol.com Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Old naked woman ASCII art Date: Tue, 04 May 99 09:32:24 GMT Organization: UltraNet Communications, Inc. Lines: 17 Message-ID: <7gml24$aq5$4@antiochus.ultra.net> References: <7g7mbg$i7g$2@news3.tufts.edu> <7g7qdp$eg0$1@flood.weeg.uiowa.edu> <7MKV2.15832$95.475479@news2.giganews.com> <474.791T2449T7666134@sky.bus.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: d6.dial-12.mbo.ma.ultra.net X-Complaints-To: abuse@ultra.net X-Ultra-Time: 4 May 1999 11:18:28 GMT X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #4 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsswitch.lcs.mit.edu!news.ultranet.com!d6 In article <474.791T2449T7666134@sky.bus.com>, "Charlie Gibbs" wrote: >In article >slavins.at.hearsay.demon.co.uk@localhost (Simon Slavin) writes: > >>If we're going to descend to the level of cartoons I'll just mention >>Snoopy calenders. Early 1980s. > >But Snoopy pictures themselves have been around since the late '60s >at least. I never bothered keeping calendars when I snaffled the >pictures - they're too... uhh... dated. > oooohhhhh....gggrrrrooooaaaannnnn :-) /BAH Subtract a hundred and four for e-mail. ###### From: p.kerr@auckland.ac.nz (Peter Kerr) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Old naked woman ASCII art Date: Tue, 04 May 1999 12:44:01 +1200 Organization: University of Auckland Lines: 14 Message-ID: References: <7g7mbg$i7g$2@news3.tufts.edu> <7g7t4n$s1k$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> <7g9e7r$tu9$1@antiochus.ultra.net> <7g9lov$2ig@top.mitre.org> <7g9nra$m7t$6@ligarius.ultra.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: p.kerr.mus.auckland.ac.nz X-Trace: scream.auckland.ac.nz 925778520 25199 130.216.90.132 (4 May 1999 00:42:00 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news@auckland.ac.nz NNTP-Posting-Date: 4 May 1999 00:42:00 GMT X-Newsreader: Yet Another NewsWatcher 2.2.0b6 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.belnet.be!news-feed.inet.tele.dk!bofh.vszbr.cz!nntp.primenet.com!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!lsanca1-snf1!news.gtei.net!news.netgate.net.nz!news.xtra.co.nz!news.iprolink.co.nz!auckland.ac.nz!p.kerr I'm still intrigued by the subject line, does it mean: Old art (ASCII) of naked woman, ASCII art of naked old woman, naked woman art, old ASCII (7-bit, distinguished from (naked woman art, new ASCII (8-bit)) -- Peter Kerr bodger School of Music chandler University of Auckland New Zealand Unicode heretic ###### Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers From: eric@fudge.uchicago.edu (Eric Fischer) Subject: Re: Old naked woman ASCII art X-Nntp-Posting-Host: fudge.uchicago.edu Message-ID: Sender: news@midway.uchicago.edu (News Administrator) X-Newsposter: Pnews 4.0-test51 (15 Jan 97) Organization: The University of Chicago References: <7g7mbg$i7g$2@news3.tufts.edu> <7gm1bf$bua$1@xs3.xs4all.nl> Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 14:39:51 GMT Lines: 17 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!feed2.news.luth.se!luth.se!logbridge.uoregon.edu!uwm.edu!uwvax!uchinews!not-for-mail Jan van den Broek wrote: > p.kerr@auckland.ac.nz (Peter Kerr) writes: > > >naked woman art, old ASCII (7-bit, distinguished from > >naked woman art, new ASCII (8-bit)) > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > Does such a thing exist? To my knowledge there is ASCII (7 bits) and > there are several extensionsets. I don't know if this is what the original poster had in mind, but you could distinguish between "old" ASCII (the original, single-case, 1963 version) and "new" ASCII (the revised standard, with lower case). Lots of devices continued to use the 1963 version for years after it was officially considered obsolete. eric ###### Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!usenet From: Neil Franklin Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Old naked woman ASCII art Date: 05 May 1999 17:03:43 +0200 Organization: My own Private Self Lines: 49 Sender: neil@chonsp.franklin.ch Message-ID: <6uaevja78w.fsf@chonsp.franklin.ch> References: <7g7mbg$i7g$2@news3.tufts.edu> <7g7t4n$s1k$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> <6u676ffdcj.fsf@chonsp.franklin.ch> <7gkbrv$s7n$2@news3.tufts.edu> X-Newsreader: Gnus v5.3/Emacs 19.34 kisrael@allegro.cs.tufts.edu (Kirk Is) writes: > > Neil Franklin (neil@franklin.ch.remove) wrote: > > it were a graphics device. And an program that uses it (bbdemo). > > > Generally alt.ascii-art is your friend here. > > yeah, I wouldn't mind seeing some screenshots of aalib doom. > Surprised the URL for it is so hard to find. AFAIK (I was only told about it) there exists no special version of Doom itsself. Doom on Linux is dynamically linked against svgalib. The special thing is an implementation of svgalib over aalib. Use that with the normal Domm. I should really try to get a copy of it. OTOH I do not even have Doom, having started directly with Quake. Should also get that for historys sense. > > > it's funny, how despite the prevalance of bitmapped displays, because > > > terminals didn't do overstrike, overstrike may never really return.... > > > Overstriking does not work on an bitmap video display (or on an laser > > printer) because you cannnot set an black pixel to even blacker! > > No, but if you write one character over another one, there's a good chance > a larger percentage of pixels in their overlapping box will be set, making > it "darker" from a distance. Hopefully not! If you start with the current graphics context set to the same pixel you should allways get the same pixels set, if you print the same character in the same font. Else the graphics subsystem is not being deterministic and the display will be screwed up real fast. Note that printers also print overstrike on the same position, just more pigment gets deposited, reducing its transparency, and so the amount of white showing through. Note2 that if you print with the graphics context shifted by 1 pixel to the right you get an sort of bold print. But this has to be done deliberately, which is why your program must recognize the use of BS. -- Neil Franklin, Nerd, Geek, Unix Guru, Hacker, Mystic neil@franklin.ch.remove http://neil.franklin.ch/ 20th century record companies fit the 21st century data highways as good as 19th century stagecoaches fit the 20th century freeways ###### From: Dan Strychalski Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Old naked woman ASCII art Date: 4 May 1999 21:57:47 GMT Organization: I need to put my ORGANIZATION here. Lines: 34 Message-ID: <7gnqgr$spd$1@news.seed.net.tw> References: <7g7mbg$i7g$2@news3.tufts.edu> <7gm1bf$bua$1@xs3.xs4all.nl> NNTP-Posting-Host: 192.72.104.4 Originator: dski@ Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.belnet.be!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!howland.erols.net!spring.edu.tw!feeder.seed.net.tw!news.seed.net.tw!!dski Eric Fischer (eric@fudge.uchicago.edu) posted -- > Jan van den Broek wrote: > >> p.kerr@auckland.ac.nz (Peter Kerr) writes: >> >>> naked woman art, old ASCII (7-bit, distinguished from >>> naked woman art, new ASCII (8-bit)) >> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >> Does such a thing exist? To my knowledge there is ASCII (7 bits) and >> there are several extensionsets. > > I don't know if this is what the original poster had in mind, but > you could distinguish between "old" ASCII (the original, single-case, > 1963 version) and "new" ASCII (the revised standard, with lower case). > Lots of devices continued to use the 1963 version for years after it > was officially considered obsolete. The original poster probably meant "character graphics" and used the term "ASCII art" without giving it much thought. I've been assuming they meant "old graphics" and not old anything else. For their sake. Although there have been many versions of seven-bit ASCII, the differences are small, so it seems reasonable to reserve "old ASCII" (in the absence of additional qualification) for the six-bit 1963 version. There seems to be consensus among those who care passionately about these things that ASCII is and shall forever be seven-of-eight, and anything that stipulates how the eighth bit should be used requires a different name. Dan Strychalski dski at cameonet, cameo, com, tw (no _x_) ###### From: dpeschel@u.washington.edu (Derek Peschel) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Old naked woman ASCII art Date: 5 May 1999 16:00:37 GMT Organization: University of Washington, Seattle Lines: 29 Message-ID: <7gppv5$106o$1@nntp1.u.washington.edu> References: <7g7mbg$i7g$2@news3.tufts.edu> <6u676ffdcj.fsf@chonsp.franklin.ch> <7gkbrv$s7n$2@news3.tufts.edu> <6uaevja78w.fsf@chonsp.franklin.ch> NNTP-Posting-Host: saul7.u.washington.edu X-Trace: nntp1.u.washington.edu 925920037 32984 (None) 140.142.17.40 X-Complaints-To: help@cac.washington.edu NNTP-Posting-User: dpeschel Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!news.u.washington.edu!dpeschel In article <6uaevja78w.fsf@chonsp.franklin.ch>, Neil Franklin wrote: >kisrael@allegro.cs.tufts.edu (Kirk Is) writes: >> No, but if you write one character over another one, there's a good chance >> a larger percentage of pixels in their overlapping box will be set, making >> it "darker" from a distance. >Hopefully not! If you start with the current graphics context set to >the same pixel you should allways get the same pixels set, if you print >the same character in the same font. Else the graphics subsystem is >not being deterministic and the display will be screwed up real fast. I was wondering why you're confused. Now I see. The second character is a _different_ character than the first one. Example: < overstruck with > might be a little darker than X by itself, = overstruck with _ is definitely darker than = by itself, etc. The point is to create a combination of characters that produces a slightly different ratio of black-to-white than sny single character can do. You also may want even distribution of black. Something like / is not very spread out. But ' ` ; together might have the same amount of black except spread all around the character cell. Creating unusual or foreign characters is an extra benefit. Technically, it's an explicit requirement of some versions of ASCII that punctuation marks must be able to double as accents when overstruck. But you can do other things like = / for not equals, etc. -- Derek ###### From: tph@longhorn.uucp (Tom Harrington) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Old naked woman ASCII art Date: 5 May 1999 16:29:50 GMT Organization: Mechanist Industries Lines: 23 Message-ID: <7gprlu$68r13@eccws1.dearborn.ford.com> References: <7g7mbg$i7g$2@news3.tufts.edu> <7g7t4n$s1k$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> <7g9e7r$tu9$1@antiochus.ultra.net> <7g9lov$2ig@top.mitre.org> <7g9sgl$l9e$3@news3.tufts.edu> <6u676ffdcj.fsf@chonsp.franklin.ch> Reply-To: tph@rmi.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 19.53.90.53 X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!howland.erols.net!newsxfer3.itd.umich.edu.MISMATCH!cliffs.rs.itd.umich.edu!jobone!dailyplanet.srl.ford.com!eccws1.dearborn.ford.com!longhorn!tph Eivind (db96ek@oliven.hib.no) wrote: : On 29 Apr 1999, Neil Franklin wrote: : >They have written an library (aalib) that allows this to be done as if : >it were a graphics device. And an program that uses it (bbdemo). : Aye. It's well worth the download. There even exist a verion of doom : linked against aalib. doom in ascii-art version. Gotta love it. A while ago in a.f.c. there was discussion of how much the iMac resembles older text terminals from the 1960s. In honor of this resemblence, there's a Mac hack called asciiMac, that converts the entire Macintosh display to color ASCII in real time. Apparently it can handle QuickTime movies, and you can get an ASCII version of Windoze 95 if you use Virtual PC. Some photos are available at (some of the links are broken, but those near the bottom of the page seem to be OK). -- Tom Harrington --------- tph@rmii.com -------- http://rainbow.rmii.com/~tph "A little government and a little luck are necessary in life, but only a fool trusts either of them." -P.J. O'Rourke Cookie's Revenge: ftp://ftp.rmi.net/pub2/tph/cookie/cookies-revenge.sit.hqx ###### From: "Carl R. Friend" Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Old naked woman ASCII art Date: Wed, 05 May 1999 14:35:10 -0400 Organization: as little as possible! Lines: 20 Message-ID: <37308F5D.948FF171@stoneweb.com> References: <7g7mbg$i7g$2@news3.tufts.edu> <1462.787T2538T8566079@sky.bus.com> <7E01AB61BD0657D5.9B1451D0BA549A2C.5C68FE0680E057A5@library-proxy.airnews.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: zephyr.ultranet.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: abuse@ultra.net X-Ultra-Time: 5 May 1999 18:35:11 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.29 i586) X-Accept-Language: en Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newscore.univie.ac.at!195.211.211.32.MISMATCH!newscore.gigabell.net!newscore.ipf.de!news-fra.pop.de!newsfeed.nacamar.de!howland.erols.net!outgoing.news.rcn.net.MISMATCH!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!news.ultranet.com!not-for-mail Chuck Maurer wrote: > > I had one of a plane flying by a suspension bridge. It was 8 panels > wide. You had to have a large section of unused wall to display it. I, too, had one of these on an otherwise vacant wall of my first apartment. It was huge. If I recall correctly (and I'd like to get a copy of the file!) the image was of a Boeing 727 flying over the San Francisco side of the Golden Gate Bridge. It also took several minutes to print, even on a high-speed printer, due to the amount of overprinting involved. -- +------------------------------------------------+---------------------+ | Carl Richard Friend (UNIX Sysadmin) | West Boylston | | Minicomputer Collector / Enthusiast | Massachusetts, USA | | mailto:carl.friend@stoneweb.com | | | http://www.ultranet.com/~crfriend/museum | ICBM: N42:22 W71:47 | +------------------------------------------------+---------------------+ ###### From: yuska@bgs.com Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Old naked woman ASCII art Date: Wed, 05 May 1999 19:22:35 GMT Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 36 Message-ID: <7gq5pm$35k$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <7g7mbg$i7g$2@news3.tufts.edu> <7g7t4n$s1k$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> <7g9e7r$tu9$1@antiochus.ultra.net> <7g9lov$2ig@top.mitre.org> <7g9nra$m7t$6@ligarius.ultra.net> <1511.788T1680T6545417@sky.bus.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.165.159.3 X-Article-Creation-Date: Wed May 05 19:22:35 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.04 [en] (X11; I; SunOS 5.5.1 sun4m) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x7.dejanews.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 204.165.159.3 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.belnet.be!newsfeed.ecrc.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail In article <1511.788T1680T6545417@sky.bus.com>, "Charlie Gibbs" wrote: > In article <7g9nra$m7t$6@ligarius.ultra.net> jmfbahciv@aol.com strip some nekkid lady stuff. > But even then there could be budget toys. The version of the > strip-tease that I saw was printed on a Univac 1004, which was > basically a hopped-up electronic version of the IBM 407 accounting > machine, complete with a 400-cpm reader and an early 400-lpm version > of Univac's indestructible drum printer. It was programmed by wiring > a plugboard, but it had a whopping 961 (31x31) 6-bit bytes of core > (a second core bank was optionally available). > > Someone came up with a board called the "emulator", which made > the 1004 act like a primitive stored-program computer. Later, > some hardware modifications and a super-duper plug board full > of transistors turned it into the 1005, which was still slow, > but at least it was up to 4K of core by then. > > -- > cgibbs@sky.bus.com (Charlie Gibbs) > Remove the first period after the "at" sign to reply. > > I may have been indulging in to much beer and other substances back in Cambridge in the late 60's, but I have memories of a 1004 variant hooked up as an RJE terminal to an 1108. Can anyone verify or refute this admittedly dim memory. Joe "Charlie's Kitchen" Yuska -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==---------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own ###### From: yuska@bgs.com Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Old naked woman ASCII art Date: Wed, 05 May 1999 19:22:35 GMT Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 36 Message-ID: <7gq5pm$35k$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <7g7mbg$i7g$2@news3.tufts.edu> <7g7t4n$s1k$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> <7g9e7r$tu9$1@antiochus.ultra.net> <7g9lov$2ig@top.mitre.org> <7g9nra$m7t$6@ligarius.ultra.net> <1511.788T1680T6545417@sky.bus.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.165.159.3 X-Article-Creation-Date: Wed May 05 19:22:35 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.04 [en] (X11; I; SunOS 5.5.1 sun4m) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x7.dejanews.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 204.165.159.3 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.belnet.be!newsfeed.ecrc.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail In article <1511.788T1680T6545417@sky.bus.com>, "Charlie Gibbs" wrote: > In article <7g9nra$m7t$6@ligarius.ultra.net> jmfbahciv@aol.com strip some nekkid lady stuff. > But even then there could be budget toys. The version of the > strip-tease that I saw was printed on a Univac 1004, which was > basically a hopped-up electronic version of the IBM 407 accounting > machine, complete with a 400-cpm reader and an early 400-lpm version > of Univac's indestructible drum printer. It was programmed by wiring > a plugboard, but it had a whopping 961 (31x31) 6-bit bytes of core > (a second core bank was optionally available). > > Someone came up with a board called the "emulator", which made > the 1004 act like a primitive stored-program computer. Later, > some hardware modifications and a super-duper plug board full > of transistors turned it into the 1005, which was still slow, > but at least it was up to 4K of core by then. > > -- > cgibbs@sky.bus.com (Charlie Gibbs) > Remove the first period after the "at" sign to reply. > > I may have been indulging in to much beer and other substances back in Cambridge in the late 60's, but I have memories of a 1004 variant hooked up as an RJE terminal to an 1108. Can anyone verify or refute this admittedly dim memory. Joe "Charlie's Kitchen" Yuska -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==---------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own ###### From: bhahn@spam-spam.go-away.com (Brendan Hahn) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Old naked woman ASCII art Message-ID: References: <7g7mbg$i7g$2@news3.tufts.edu> <7g7t4n$s1k$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> <7g9e7r$tu9$1@antiochus.ultra.net> <7g9lov$2ig@top.mitre.org> <7g9sgl$l9e$3@news3.tufts.edu> <6u676ffdcj.fsf@chonsp.franklin.ch> <7gprlu$68r13@eccws1.dearborn.ford.com> Organization: Transoft Corp Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Reply-To: bhahn@transoft.mangle.net (unmangle address to reply) X-Newsreader: Yet Another NewsWatcher 2.4.0 Lines: 23 Date: Wed, 05 May 1999 21:00:30 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.180.87.35 NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 05 May 1999 14:00:30 PDT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newscore.univie.ac.at!howland.erols.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nuq-peer.news.verio.net!sea-feed.news.verio.net!feed.news.verio.net!netnews1.nw.verio.net!netnews.nwnet.net!news.verio.net!nnrp2.ni.net!not-for-mail tph@rmi.net wrote: >Eivind (db96ek@oliven.hib.no) wrote: >: On 29 Apr 1999, Neil Franklin wrote: > >: >They have written an library (aalib) that allows this to be done as if >: >it were a graphics device. And an program that uses it (bbdemo). > >: Aye. It's well worth the download. There even exist a verion of doom >: linked against aalib. doom in ascii-art version. Gotta love it. > >A while ago in a.f.c. there was discussion of how much the iMac resembles >older text terminals from the 1960s. In honor of this resemblence, there's >a Mac hack called asciiMac, that converts the entire Macintosh display to >color ASCII in real time. This was a prizewinner at last year's MacHack. The full project with source is available at http://web.mit.edu/macdev/asciiMac/. It's pretty cool--it loads at boot and allows you to hot-key your display in and out of text mode at any time. It does color and affects everything on the display, not any particular program. Refresh is a bit sluggish on my machine at 1024x768, but hey... bhahn@transoft.mangle.net <-- unmangle to reply ###### From: yuska@bgs.com Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Old naked woman ASCII art Date: Wed, 05 May 1999 22:01:40 GMT Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 22 Message-ID: <7gqf41$c7l$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <7g7mbg$i7g$2@news3.tufts.edu> <37287F36.A86D24B6@indyice.com> <7gad1k$cem@top.mitre.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.165.159.3 X-Article-Creation-Date: Wed May 05 22:01:40 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.04 [en] (X11; I; SunOS 5.5.1 sun4m) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x1.dejanews.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 204.165.159.3 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newscore.univie.ac.at!195.211.211.32.MISMATCH!newscore.gigabell.net!newscore.ipf.de!newsfeed.tli.de!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail In article <7gad1k$cem@top.mitre.org>, > > One could say that ASCII art (well..."BCD art" at that time) > is fine in its place, but it should not be used in a half-ASCII > fashion. > > Joe Morris > I know I've mentioned this before, but the Library of Congress in the early seventies produced something called the half-ASCII tape. Fixed header, variable trailer records where the header was EBCDIC and the trailers were ASCII. It contained catalog card images. Joe "bitch to convert to non-IBM systems" Yuska -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==---------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own ###### From: cmaurer@dhc.net (Chuck Maurer) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Old naked woman ASCII art Date: Thu, 06 May 1999 00:48:59 GMT Organization: Digital Highway (using Airnews.net!) Lines: 20 Message-ID: X-Orig-Message-ID: <3730e6c5.1451890@news.dhc.net> References: <7g7mbg$i7g$2@news3.tufts.edu> <1462.787T2538T8566079@sky.bus.com> <7E01AB61BD0657D5.9B1451D0BA549A2C.5C68FE0680E057A5@library-proxy.airnews.net> <37308F5D.948FF171@stoneweb.com> Abuse-Reports-To: abuse at dhc.net to report improper postings NNTP-Proxy-Relay: library.airnews.net NNTP-Posting-Time: Wed May 5 19:49:11 1999 NNTP-Posting-Host: !^a=E4b"S84]k2h (Encoded at Airnews!) X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!isdnet!newsfeed.gamma.ru!Gamma.RU!howland.erols.net!news.airnews.net!cabal10.airnews.net!cabal1.airnews.net!news-f.iadfw.net!usenet On Wed, 05 May 1999 14:35:10 -0400, "Carl R. Friend" wrote: >Chuck Maurer wrote: >> >> I had one of a plane flying by a suspension bridge. It was 8 panels >> wide. You had to have a large section of unused wall to display it. > > I, too, had one of these on an otherwise vacant wall of my first >apartment. It was huge. > > If I recall correctly (and I'd like to get a copy of the file!) the >image was of a Boeing 727 flying over the San Francisco side of the >Golden Gate Bridge. It also took several minutes to print, even on a >high-speed printer, due to the amount of overprinting involved. > I always assumed it was the GGB until my uncle said it was the Oakland Bay Bridge. --- Chuck Maurer / Dallas ###### From: dg@tao.co.uk (David Given) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Old naked woman ASCII art Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 13:05:50 +0100 Organization: I'm organised? Wow! Message-ID: References: <7g7mbg$i7g$2@news3.tufts.edu> <1462.787T2538T8566079@sky.bus.com> <7E01AB61BD0657D5.9B1451D0BA549A2C.5C68FE0680E057A5@library-proxy.airnews.net> <37308F5D.948FF171@stoneweb.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: taos.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: taos.demon.co.uk:158.152.120.224 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 925993869 nnrp-03:21739 NO-IDENT taos.demon.co.uk:158.152.120.224 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: knews 1.0b.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Lines: 22 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news-fra1.dfn.de!news0.de.colt.net!colt.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!taos.demon.co.uk!pearl.tao.co.uk!nobody In article <37308F5D.948FF171@stoneweb.com>, "Carl R. Friend" writes: > Chuck Maurer wrote: >> >> I had one of a plane flying by a suspension bridge. It was 8 panels >> wide. You had to have a large section of unused wall to display it. > > I, too, had one of these on an otherwise vacant wall of my first > apartment. It was huge. > > If I recall correctly (and I'd like to get a copy of the file!) the > image was of a Boeing 727 flying over the San Francisco side of the > Golden Gate Bridge. It also took several minutes to print, even on a > high-speed printer, due to the amount of overprinting involved. Is the program still around? Or at least, a photo of the result? -- +- David Given ---------------McQ-+ According to the latest official figures, | Work: dg@tao-group.com | 43% of all statistics are totally | Play: dgiven@iname.com | worthless. +- http://wired.st-and.ac.uk/~dg -+ ###### From: Dave Daniels Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Old naked woman ASCII art Date: Thu, 06 May 1999 20:41:41 BST Organization: ArgoNet, but does not reflect its views Lines: 25 Distribution: world Message-ID: References: <7g7mbg$i7g$2@news3.tufts.edu> <1462.787T2538T8566079@sky.bus.com> <7E01AB61BD0657D5.9B1451D0BA549A2C.5C68FE0680E057A5@library-proxy.airnews.net> <37308F5D.948FF171@stoneweb.com> Reply-To: Dave Daniels NNTP-Posting-Host: userad07.uk.uudial.com X-Trace: lure.pipex.net 926098138 2494 62.188.131.50 (7 May 1999 17:28:58 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@uk.uu.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 7 May 1999 17:28:58 GMT X-Newsreader: NewsAgent 0.85 for RISC OS Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news-fra1.dfn.de!news-fra.pop.de!newsfeed.nacamar.de!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!news-lond.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!weld.news.pipex.net!pipex!argonet.co.uk!argbq79 In article <37308F5D.948FF171@stoneweb.com>, "Carl R. Friend" wrote: > If I recall correctly (and I'd like to get a copy of the file!) the > image was of a Boeing 727 flying over the San Francisco side of the > I have found a Web site with some ASCII art that might be of interest to people. The address is http://www.threedee.com/jcm/aaa/index.html The owner of the site, John Foust, has built up quite a collection of these pictures and he is in the process of digitising them. He has quite a number on display. The site is well worth a visit, IMHO. Dave -- ANTISPAM: Please note that the email address above is false. My correct address is: dave_danielsargonetcouk Please replace the and s with @ and . respectively when replying - Thanks! ###### From: J. Chris Hausler Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Old naked woman ASCII art Date: Fri, 7 May 99 13:00:48 -0500 Organization: Delphi (info@delphi.com email, 800-695-4005 voice) Lines: 11 Message-ID: References: <7g7mbg$i7g$2@news3.tufts.edu> <7g7t4n$s1k$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> <7g9e7r$tu9$1@antiochus.ultra.net> <7g9lov$2ig@top.mitre.org> <7g9nra$m7t$6@ligarius.ultra.net> <1511.788T1680T6545417@sky.bus.com> <7gq5pm$35k$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 199.93.4.2 X-To: Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!feed2.news.luth.se!luth.se!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!news.delphi.com!news writes: >I may have been indulging in to much beer and other substances back in >Cambridge in the late 60's, but I have memories of a 1004 variant hooked up >as an RJE terminal to an 1108. Can anyone verify or refute this admittedly >dim memory. > >Joe "Charlie's Kitchen" Yuska This was common practice. Chris ###### From: cjt&trefoil Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Old naked woman ASCII art Date: Fri, 07 May 1999 22:27:08 -0500 Organization: Prodigy Services, Inc Lines: 40 Message-ID: <3733AF0C.3B3D@prodigy.net> References: <7g7mbg$i7g$2@news3.tufts.edu> <7gm1bf$bua$1@xs3.xs4all.nl> <7gnqgr$spd$1@news.seed.net.tw> Reply-To: cheljuba@prodigy.net NNTP-Posting-Host: austb110-21.splitrock.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: newssvr03-int.news.prodigy.com 926134042 2709921 209.253.19.172 (8 May 1999 03:27:22 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@prodigy.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 8 May 1999 03:27:22 GMT To: Dan Strychalski X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04 (Win95; U) Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.belnet.be!news.tvd.be!remarQ-easT!supernews.com!remarQ.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!newscon02!prodigy.com!not-for-mail Dan Strychalski wrote: > > Eric Fischer (eric@fudge.uchicago.edu) posted -- > > > Jan van den Broek wrote: > > > >> p.kerr@auckland.ac.nz (Peter Kerr) writes: > >> > >>> naked woman art, old ASCII (7-bit, distinguished from > >>> naked woman art, new ASCII (8-bit)) > >> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > >> Does such a thing exist? To my knowledge there is ASCII (7 bits) and > >> there are several extensionsets. > > > > I don't know if this is what the original poster had in mind, but > > you could distinguish between "old" ASCII (the original, single-case, > > 1963 version) and "new" ASCII (the revised standard, with lower case). > > Lots of devices continued to use the 1963 version for years after it > > was officially considered obsolete. > > The original poster probably meant "character graphics" and used the > term "ASCII art" without giving it much thought. > > I've been assuming they meant "old graphics" and not old anything else. > For their sake. > > Although there have been many versions of seven-bit ASCII, the > differences are small, so it seems reasonable to reserve "old ASCII" (in > the absence of additional qualification) for the six-bit 1963 version. > > There seems to be consensus among those who care passionately about > these things that ASCII is and shall forever be seven-of-eight, and > anything that stipulates how the eighth bit should be used requires a > different name. > > Dan Strychalski dski at cameonet, cameo, com, tw (no _x_) Perhaps we also need a thread called "Old naked woman EBCDIC art." Or better still, "Old EBCDIC art involving young naked women," since the application of "Old" in the original thread name is ambiguous. ###### From: jmfbahciv@aol.com Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Old naked woman ASCII art Date: Sat, 08 May 99 10:43:47 GMT Organization: UltraNet Communications, Inc. Lines: 50 Message-ID: <7h1ap6$n81$5@ligarius.ultra.net> References: <7g7mbg$i7g$2@news3.tufts.edu> <7gm1bf$bua$1@xs3.xs4all.nl> <7gnqgr$spd$1@news.seed.net.tw> <3733AF0C.3B3D@prodigy.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: d10.dial-12.mbo.ma.ultra.net X-Complaints-To: abuse@ultra.net X-Ultra-Time: 8 May 1999 12:30:30 GMT X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #4 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news-fra1.dfn.de!news0.de.colt.net!colt.net!newspump.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news.ultranet.com!d10 In article <3733AF0C.3B3D@prodigy.net>, cjt&trefoil wrote: >Dan Strychalski wrote: >> >> Eric Fischer (eric@fudge.uchicago.edu) posted -- >> >> > Jan van den Broek wrote: >> > >> >> p.kerr@auckland.ac.nz (Peter Kerr) writes: >> >> >> >>> naked woman art, old ASCII (7-bit, distinguished from >> >>> naked woman art, new ASCII (8-bit)) >> >> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >> >> Does such a thing exist? To my knowledge there is ASCII (7 bits) and >> >> there are several extensionsets. >> > >> > I don't know if this is what the original poster had in mind, but >> > you could distinguish between "old" ASCII (the original, single-case, >> > 1963 version) and "new" ASCII (the revised standard, with lower case). >> > Lots of devices continued to use the 1963 version for years after it >> > was officially considered obsolete. >> >> The original poster probably meant "character graphics" and used the >> term "ASCII art" without giving it much thought. >> >> I've been assuming they meant "old graphics" and not old anything else. >> For their sake. >> >> Although there have been many versions of seven-bit ASCII, the >> differences are small, so it seems reasonable to reserve "old ASCII" (in >> the absence of additional qualification) for the six-bit 1963 version. >> >> There seems to be consensus among those who care passionately about >> these things that ASCII is and shall forever be seven-of-eight, and >> anything that stipulates how the eighth bit should be used requires a >> different name. >> >> Dan Strychalski dski at cameonet, cameo, com, tw (no _x_) > >Perhaps we also need a thread called "Old naked woman EBCDIC art." >Or better still, "Old EBCDIC art involving young naked women," since >the application of "Old" in the original thread name is ambiguous. I don't know. If you really looked at that art, those females' skin was pretty wrinkled. :-) I guess it depended on the eye of the beholder. [now it's a broadly grinning emoticon here] /BAH Subtract a hundred and four for e-mail. ###### From: jmfbahciv@aol.com Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Old naked woman ASCII art Date: Sat, 08 May 99 12:24:35 GMT Organization: UltraNet Communications, Inc. Lines: 16 Message-ID: <7h1gm5$d7m$3@antiochus.ultra.net> References: <7g7mbg$i7g$2@news3.tufts.edu> <7gnqgr$spd$1@news.seed.net.tw> <3733AF0C.3B3D@prodigy.net> <7h1ap6$n81$5@ligarius.ultra.net> <7h1cui$fuk$1@nntp1.u.washington.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: d5.dial-13.mbo.ma.ultra.net X-Complaints-To: abuse@ultra.net X-Ultra-Time: 8 May 1999 14:11:17 GMT X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #4 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsswitch.lcs.mit.edu!news.ultranet.com!d5 In article <7h1cui$fuk$1@nntp1.u.washington.edu>, dpeschel@u.washington.edu (Derek Peschel) wrote: >In article <7h1ap6$n81$5@ligarius.ultra.net>, wrote: >>I don't know. If you really looked at that art, those females' >>skin was pretty wrinkled. :-) I guess it depended on the eye >>of the beholder. [now it's a broadly grinning emoticon here] > >Are you sure you're not confusing crinkles in the paper >with wrinkles in the art itself? :) Now there's got to be a really good line about wrinkles vs. crinkles in ASCII. /BAH Subtract a hundred and four for e-mail. ###### From: dpeschel@u.washington.edu (Derek Peschel) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Old naked woman ASCII art Date: 8 May 1999 13:07:30 GMT Organization: University of Washington, Seattle Lines: 9 Message-ID: <7h1cui$fuk$1@nntp1.u.washington.edu> References: <7g7mbg$i7g$2@news3.tufts.edu> <7gnqgr$spd$1@news.seed.net.tw> <3733AF0C.3B3D@prodigy.net> <7h1ap6$n81$5@ligarius.ultra.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: saul1.u.washington.edu X-Trace: nntp1.u.washington.edu 926168850 16340 (None) 140.142.17.40 X-Complaints-To: help@cac.washington.edu NNTP-Posting-User: dpeschel Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!feed2.news.luth.se!luth.se!news-peer-europe.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!netnews.com!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!news.u.washington.edu!dpeschel In article <7h1ap6$n81$5@ligarius.ultra.net>, wrote: >I don't know. If you really looked at that art, those females' >skin was pretty wrinkled. :-) I guess it depended on the eye >of the beholder. [now it's a broadly grinning emoticon here] Are you sure you're not confusing crinkles in the paper with wrinkles in the art itself? :) -- Derek ###### From: jmfbahciv@aol.com Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Old naked woman ASCII art Date: Sat, 08 May 99 13:36:16 GMT Organization: UltraNet Communications, Inc. Lines: 22 Message-ID: <7h1ksh$jqt$5@ligarius.ultra.net> References: <7g7mbg$i7g$2@news3.tufts.edu> <7gm1bf$bua$1@xs3.xs4all.nl> <7gnqgr$spd$1@news.seed.net.tw> <3733AF0C.3B3D@prodigy.net> <7h1ap6$n81$5@ligarius.ultra.net> <7h1k1j$bc4$1@news.seed.net.tw> NNTP-Posting-Host: d5.dial-13.mbo.ma.ultra.net X-Complaints-To: abuse@ultra.net X-Ultra-Time: 8 May 1999 15:22:57 GMT X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #4 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.belnet.be!newsfeed.ecrc.net!newsswitch.lcs.mit.edu!news.ultranet.com!d5 In article <7h1k1j$bc4$1@news.seed.net.tw>, Dan Strychalski wrote: >[Somebody stop me, PLEASE....] > >/BAH (jmfbahciv@aol.com) wrote -- > >> I don't know. If you really looked at that art, those females' >> skin was pretty wrinkled. :-) > >But they had... CHARACTER. > >> I guess it depended on the eye >> of the beholder. [now it's a broadly grinning emoticon here] > >A point can be taken from that. Consider it done. ROTFLMAO. Thanks, I needed that. /BAH Subtract a hundred and four for e-mail. ###### m: Dan Strychalski Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Old naked woman ASCII art Date: 8 May 1999 15:08:35 GMT Organization: I need to put my ORGANIZATION here. Lines: 15 Message-ID: <7h1k1j$bc4$1@news.seed.net.tw> References: <7g7mbg$i7g$2@news3.tufts.edu> <7gm1bf$bua$1@xs3.xs4all.nl> <7gnqgr$spd$1@news.seed.net.tw> <3733AF0C.3B3D@prodigy.net> <7h1ap6$n81$5@ligarius.ultra.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 192.72.104.4 Originator: dski@ Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.belnet.be!news-feed.inet.tele.dk!bofh.vszbr.cz!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!spring.edu.tw!feeder.seed.net.tw!news.seed.net.tw!!dski [Somebody stop me, PLEASE....] /BAH (jmfbahciv@aol.com) wrote -- > I don't know. If you really looked at that art, those females' > skin was pretty wrinkled. :-) But they had... CHARACTER. > I guess it depended on the eye > of the beholder. [now it's a broadly grinning emoticon here] A point can be taken from that. Consider it done. Dan Strychalski dski at cameonet, cameo, com, tw (no _x_)