From: Andrea Chen Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,alt.conspiracy,alt.illuminati,alt.usenet.kooks,alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: *PROVEN* Microsoft uses alien technology Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 15:45:01 -0700 Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. Lines: 48 Message-ID: <362D126D.240@earthlink.net> References: <70go8p$7fb$1@fnord.dfw.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 1cust77.tnt5.sfo3.da.uu.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Posted-Path-Was: not-for-mail X-ELN-Date: Tue Oct 20 15:48:48 1998 X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04 (Win95; I) Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.belnet.be!news-raspail.gip.net!news-dc.gip.net!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!207.217.77.43!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!posted-from-earthlink!not-for-mail Mark Shippey wrote: > The programming that Microsoft used to create Dos and Windows > is from back-engineered alien computer systems found on some of > the crashed saucers. Bill Gates was given this by insiders. There > is great fear now that the current lawsuit by the Justice Department > will reveal this truth and expose the alien coverup. Microsoft > products are part of The Plan. Dear Mr. Shippey: This isn't news to anyone who keeps up with UFOLOGY. In fact the very computer you use was created with dastardly alien designs. It uses what's called a "Von Neumann Architecture" and if you study your history you will find out that this man was not only the most powerful scientific bureaucrat in history, the designer of game theory and of self replicating logical automations (the socalled 2nd "Von Neumann machine"), but that many of his peers (including Albert Einstein) suspected the was an alien. He even double checked the calculations of early computers in his head. From there we go on to the transister (now proven by Corso to have been found at Roswell.) It's no secret that it's alleged discover (Shockely) later turned to racism. This was because of his collaboration with the evil "Nordics." Internet itself is part of a complex mind programming machine. It uses subliminal messages and carefully designed memetic structures to lead it's users in certain directions. It's no coincidence that the prevalence of teletubbie watchers among Internet users is many times that of the adult population. It's also no secret (I've revealed it many times) that Bill Gates is of an alien species which doesn't finish puberty until roughly 40 earth years. It's also no secret that one of the goals of his "civilization" is to retard (while controlling) human development which is why he introduced basic rather than the TRAC language to early computers. Some computer scientists have calculated that we are now 50 years behind were we should be if the PC had been properly developed. -Andrea Chen- KOTM September 1998 > ###### From: "critic@large" Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,alt.conspiracy,alt.illuminati,alt.usenet.kooks,alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: *PROVEN* Microsoft uses alien technology Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 21:22:51 -0600 Organization: Frontier GlobalCenter Inc. Lines: 23 Message-ID: <70jk1s$9s9$1@nnrp02.primenet.com> References: <70go8p$7fb$1@fnord.dfw.net> <362D126D.240@earthlink.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: ip215.dvx.primenet.com X-Complaints-To: abuse@globalcenter.net X-Posted-By: @206.165.40.215 (ojw) X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.belnet.be!news-raspail.gip.net!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!dca1-hub1.news.digex.net!digex!nntp.primenet.com!news.primenet.com!not-for-mail Gates has also set back hair-cut technology at least 40 years according to experts. Andrea Chen wrote in message <362D126D.240@earthlink.net>... > > It's also no secret (I've revealed it many times) that Bill Gates is of >an alien species which doesn't finish puberty until roughly 40 earth >years. It's also no secret that one of the goals of his "civilization" >is to retard (while controlling) human development which is why he >introduced basic rather than the TRAC language to early computers. Some >computer scientists have calculated that we are now 50 years behind were >we should be if the PC had been properly developed. > > -Andrea Chen- > KOTM September 1998 > > > > >> > ###### From: "David Fox" Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,alt.conspiracy,alt.illuminati,alt.usenet.kooks,alt.folklore.computers References: <70go8p$7fb$1@fnord.dfw.net> <362D126D.240@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: *PROVEN* Microsoft uses alien technology Lines: 4 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.0518.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.0518.4 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 22:45:01 -0400 NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.218.70.123 X-Trace: news2.randori.com 908997849 205.218.70.123 (Wed, 21 Oct 1998 12:24:09 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 12:24:09 PDT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsxfer3.itd.umich.edu!news2.randori.com!not-for-mail I hope that aliens that can travel the universe can come up with a better OS than Winblows 98! ###### From: Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,alt.conspiracy,alt.illuminati,alt.usenet.kooks,alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: *PROVEN* Microsoft uses alien technology Date: 21 Oct 1998 01:05:24 GMT Organization: Interlog Internet Services Lines: 3 Message-ID: <70jc0k$hbd$1@news.interlog.com> References: <70go8p$7fb$1@fnord.dfw.net> <362D126D.240@earthlink.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: shell1.interlog.com NNTP-Posting-Time: 21 Oct 1998 01:05:24 GMT X-Newsreader: TIN [UNIX 1.3 unoff BETA 970527; i386 BSD/OS 3.1] Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.belnet.be!news-raspail.gip.net!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!cyclone.news.idirect.com!island.idirect.com!newsfeed.interlog.com!news.interlog.com!not-for-mail If Microsoft has based its software on alien technology then I suspect we have nothing to worry about in terms of them having superior intelligence. ###### From: Andrea Chen Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,alt.conspiracy,alt.illuminati,alt.usenet.kooks,alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: *PROVEN* Microsoft uses alien technology Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 19:29:59 -0700 Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. Lines: 10 Message-ID: <362D4727.369C@earthlink.net> References: <70go8p$7fb$1@fnord.dfw.net> <362D126D.240@earthlink.net> <70jc0k$hbd$1@news.interlog.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 1cust153.tnt2.sfo3.da.uu.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Posted-Path-Was: not-for-mail X-ELN-Date: Tue Oct 20 19:39:05 1998 X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04 (Win95; I) Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newscore.univie.ac.at!uninett.no!howland.erols.net!news.idt.net!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!posted-from-earthlink!not-for-mail cdrmool@NOSPAMinterlog.com wrote: > > If Microsoft has based its software on alien technology then I suspect we > have nothing to worry about in terms of them having superior intelligence. That's true. I've found them very easy to fool. But you have to admit Microsoft technology is clearly alien. ###### From: kprinter@dfw.nationwide.net (Mark Shippey) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,alt.conspiracy,alt.illuminati,alt.usenet.kooks,alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: *PROVEN* Microsoft uses alien technology Followup-To: alt.alien.visitors,alt.conspiracy,alt.illuminati,alt.usenet.kooks,alt.folklore.computers Date: 21 Oct 1998 05:35:49 GMT Organization: Nationwide Internet / 888-Nationwide Lines: 55 Message-ID: <70jrrl$vt$1@fnord.dfw.net> References: <70go8p$7fb$1@fnord.dfw.net> <362D126D.240@earthlink.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: dfw.nationwide.net X-Newsreader: TIN [UNIX 1.3 950824BETA PL0] Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!198.175.15.11!news.dfw.net!dfw.nationwide.net!not-for-mail Andrea Chen (fallinghawks@earthlink.net) wrote: : Dear Mr. Shippey: : : This isn't news to anyone who keeps up with UFOLOGY. In fact the very : computer you use was created with dastardly alien designs. It uses : what's called a "Von Neumann Architecture" and if you study your history : you will find out that this man was not only the most powerful : scientific bureaucrat in history, the designer of game theory and of : self replicating logical automations (the socalled 2nd "Von Neumann : machine"), but that many of his peers (including Albert Einstein) : suspected the was an alien. He even double checked the calculations of : early computers in his head. Hi Andrea. Thanks for this important information. I found the following information about Von Neumann. Do you think he had something to do with aliens. Do you think aliens had something to do with the demise of Kurt Godel? _________________________________________________________________ Johnny von Neumann In the early years of this century, it was considered quite acceptable in Hungary for first-rate mathematicians to teach schoolchildren. Partly in consequence, Hungary produced a flock of first-rate mathematical talents, not the least of whom was John von Neumann (the "von" being an affectation of nobility that he alone in his family maintained). Von Neuman was a mathematician, a calculator (it is said that during the Manhattan Project to develop the atomic bomb, whenever an impromptu numerical result was needed, Dick Feynman would pound out the result on mechanical calculator, Fermi (?) would work it out on a on a slide rule, and von Neumann would work it out in his head... all three usually arriving at the about the same result at about the same time) and -- somewhat unusually for a person of such talents -- a man somewhat adept at power politics and engineering: He was the first and last man to run a significant engineering project (building an early computer, no less) at the Princeton Institute of Advanced Studies, more usually understood as an intellectual graveyard for burned-out scientists (e.g., Kurt Godel starved himself to death there, convinced that the cooks were trying to poison him). Von Neumann had a mind so quick that he inspired something like Isaac Newton's curious demigod impression on his contemporaries, but -- possibly due in part to being a bon vivant and ladies man, along with working usually in collaboration rather than alone -- left a considerably less distinctive body of work: He is perhaps best known for his work establishing game theory, applied during WW II to anti-submarine warfare and leading later to the basic playing algorithm for perfect-information two-person games such as chess. _________________________________________________________________ ###### From: nolan@catnip.org (Nolan) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,alt.conspiracy,alt.illuminati,alt.usenet.kooks,alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: *PROVEN* Microsoft uses alien technology Date: 21 Oct 1998 06:13:25 GMT Organization: catnip.org Lines: 25 Message-ID: <70ju25$1sj$1@samba.rahul.net> References: <70go8p$7fb$1@fnord.dfw.net> <362D126D.240@earthlink.net> <70jc0k$hbd$1@news.interlog.com> <362D4727.369C@earthlink.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 01-038.006.popsite.net X-Newsreader: slrn (0.9.5.2 Windows) Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.belnet.be!news-raspail.gip.net!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!news-xfer.newsread.com!netaxs.com!newsread.com!news.mcs.net!ddsw1!bug.rahul.net!samba.rahul.net!rahul.net!a2i!nolan On Tue, 20 Oct 1998 19:29:59 -0700, Andrea Chen wrote: >cdrmool@NOSPAMinterlog.com wrote: >> >> If Microsoft has based its software on alien technology then I suspect we >> have nothing to worry about in terms of them having superior intelligence. > > > That's true. I've found them very easy to fool. But you have to admit >Microsoft technology is clearly alien. > How else can you explain their current position in the software market? We Men in Black have worked hard to keep the aliens in their position of dominance on this planet. -- Nolan nolan@catnip.org SKEP-TI-CULT Man in Black #68-67456-068, Cahooter #15 http://www.catnip.org/ http://www.catnip.org/bathroom/ "I see you have made yourself a brand new life Such a cool blue star with a bright new shine I see you wearing your checkered past just like a shining suit of gold I know you think you look so special" ###### From: Andrea Chen Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,alt.conspiracy,alt.illuminati,alt.usenet.kooks,alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: *PROVEN* Microsoft uses alien technology Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 00:09:13 -0700 Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. Lines: 16 Message-ID: <362D8899.9BF@earthlink.net> References: <70go8p$7fb$1@fnord.dfw.net> <362D126D.240@earthlink.net> <70jc0k$hbd$1@news.interlog.com> <362D4727.369C@earthlink.net> <70ju25$1sj$1@samba.rahul.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 1cust15.tnt30.sfo3.da.uu.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Posted-Path-Was: not-for-mail X-ELN-Date: Wed Oct 21 00:21:16 1998 X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04 (Win95; I) Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.belnet.be!newsgate.cistron.nl!het.net!newsfeed.wirehub.nl!diablo.theplanet.net!newsfeed1.swip.net!swipnet!news.idt.net!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!posted-from-earthlink!not-for-mail Nolan wrote: > > We Men in Black have worked hard to keep the aliens in their position of > dominance on this planet. > Sexist Pig! It's Men And Women In Black (Mawib). Every serious conspiracy expert knows this. You are clearly a disinfo psyop sent by the cabal. -Andrea, the only sane human in alt.usenet.kooks- Elected kotm 8 times! ###### Message-ID: <362DA38B.7601@columbia-center.org> From: Dan Clore Reply-To: clore@columbia-center.org Organization: The Ardois-Bonnot Gang X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,alt.conspiracy,alt.illuminati,alt.usenet.kooks,alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: *PROVEN* Microsoft uses alien technology References: <70go8p$7fb$1@fnord.dfw.net> <362D126D.240@earthlink.net> <70jc0k$hbd$1@news.interlog.com> <362D4727.369C@earthlink.net> <70ju25$1sj$1@samba.rahul.net> <362D8899.9BF@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Lines: 27 Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 02:04:11 -0700 NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.190.145.82 X-Trace: news.onlynews.com 908960382 206.190.145.82 (Wed, 21 Oct 1998 01:59:42 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 01:59:42 PDT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newscore.univie.ac.at!btnet-peer!btnet!newsfeed.cwix.com!198.60.253.107!newsfeed.micron.net!news-xfer.geo.net!news.onlynews.com!not-for-mail Andrea Chen wrote: > Nolan wrote: > > > We Men in Black have worked hard to keep the aliens in their position of > > dominance on this planet. > Sexist Pig! It's Men And Women In Black (Mawib). > > Every serious conspiracy expert knows this. You are clearly a disinfo > psyop sent by the cabal. But what about the Hermaphrodites in Black? You not privy to the *real* secrets, huh Andrea? -- --------------------------------------------------- Dan Clore The Website of Lord We˙rdgliffe: http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/9879/index.html Welcome to the Waughters.... The Dan Clore Necronomicon Page: http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/9879/necpage.htm Because the true mysteries cannot be profaned.... "Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn!" ###### From: kprinter@dfw.nationwide.net (Mark Shippey) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,alt.conspiracy,alt.illuminati,alt.usenet.kooks,alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: *PROVEN* Microsoft uses alien technology Followup-To: alt.alien.visitors,alt.conspiracy,alt.illuminati,alt.usenet.kooks,alt.folklore.computers Date: 21 Oct 1998 14:20:25 GMT Organization: Nationwide Internet / 888-Nationwide Lines: 19 Message-ID: <70kqj9$3ri$1@fnord.dfw.net> References: <70go8p$7fb$1@fnord.dfw.net> <362D126D.240@earthlink.net> <70jc0k$hbd$1@news.interlog.com> <362D4727.369C@earthlink.net> <70ju25$1sj$1@samba.rahul.net> <362D8899.9BF@earthlink.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: dfw.nationwide.net X-Newsreader: TIN [UNIX 1.3 950824BETA PL0] Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.belnet.be!newsfeed.wirehub.nl!newsfeed.ecrc.net!uninett.no!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!198.175.15.11!news.dfw.net!dfw.nationwide.net!not-for-mail Andrea Chen (fallinghawks@earthlink.net) wrote: : Nolan wrote: : > : > We Men in Black have worked hard to keep the aliens in their position of : > dominance on this planet. : > : : : Sexist Pig! It's Men And Women In Black (Mawib). : : Every serious conspiracy expert knows this. You are clearly a disinfo : psyop sent by the cabal. : : -Andrea, the only sane human in alt.usenet.kooks- : Elected kotm 8 times! This is true Andrea. Have you heard the latest? I hear The Offical Logo has now gone to MAWAGIB (Men & Women & Gays Black). ###### From: thig@alpha2.csd.uwm.edu (Terence P Higgins) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,alt.conspiracy,alt.illuminati,alt.usenet.kooks,alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: *PROVEN* Microsoft uses alien technology Date: 21 Oct 1998 14:30:01 GMT Organization: University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee Lines: 12 Message-ID: <70kr59$cdr$1@uwm.edu> References: <70kqj9$3ri$1@fnord.dfw.net> Reply-To: thig@alpha2.csd.uwm.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.89.7.202 Originator: thig@alpha2.csd.uwm.edu Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newscore.univie.ac.at!wuff.mayn.de!news.algonet.se!newsfeed1.telenordia.se!192.108.210.10.MISMATCH!news-peer-europe.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newscon02!prodigy.com!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!uwm.edu!alpha2.csd.uwm.edu!thig From article <70kqj9$3ri$1@fnord.dfw.net>, by kprinter@dfw.nationwide.net (Mark Shippey): > This is true Andrea. Have you heard the latest? I hear The Offical Logo has now gone to MAWAGIB (Men & Women & Gays Black). But what of the transgendered? Oh the humanity... -- Been staying away from haunted places where she and I would go that leaves the slag heap, the toxic waste dump, and I guess the rodeo ###### From: hangspamhigh@lart.com (Phoenix) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,alt.conspiracy,alt.illuminati,alt.usenet.kooks,alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: *PROVEN* Microsoft uses alien technology Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 12:26:51 -0600 Organization: Slick Willie Cigar Factory Lines: 22 Message-ID: References: <70kqj9$3ri$1@fnord.dfw.net> <70kr59$cdr$1@uwm.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: pool-207-205-215-55.dnvr.grid.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Server-Date: 21 Oct 1998 18:25:12 GMT X-No-Archive: yes X-No-Cabal: yes X-Marks: The Spot X-Complaints-To: monica@whitehouse.gov X-Cuse: Whatever it is, I didn't do it X-NFL-Champions: Denver Broncos X-2X-National-Champions: UNC Bears X-Html-LART:

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 X-Newsreader: Yet Another NewsWatcher 2.4.0 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.belnet.be!newsfeed.wirehub.nl!btnet-peer!btnet!newsfeed.cwix.com!4.1.16.34!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!firehose.mindspring.com!hangspamhigh In article <70kr59$cdr$1@uwm.edu>, thig@alpha2.csd.uwm.edu wrote: > From article <70kqj9$3ri$1@fnord.dfw.net>, by kprinter@dfw.nationwide.net (Mark Shippey): > > This is true Andrea. Have you heard the latest? > I hear The Offical Logo has now gone to MAWAGIB (Men & > Women & Gays Black). > > > But what of the transgendered? Oh the humanity... Cowtowing to humanity is speciesist. There are valued members of the Usenet community who are NOT humans, yet would contribute countless hours to such a Worthy Organization. Take Fluffy, for example. The Official Logo should also have CiB (Cats in Black). That should give the aliens more than one kind of trouble to think about. -- /\ Cabal Obsidian Order, Operative X (Directorate), aka CNS CXCIX \ /\ The UUNet Spamhaus - Over 1,000,000 Complaints Underserved \/ \ The Only Official Kook of the Month Site - http://www.plonk.com / \ "When the Cabal smiles, IT'S TOO LATE TO BE AFRAID!" - tinc ###### From: bill_h Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,alt.conspiracy,alt.illuminati,alt.usenet.kooks,alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: *PROVEN* Microsoft uses alien technology Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 18:09:31 -0700 Organization: http://www.supernews.com, The World's Usenet: Discussions Start Here Lines: 14 Message-ID: <362E85CB.24AE@azstarnet.com> References: <70go8p$7fb$1@fnord.dfw.net> <362D126D.240@earthlink.net> <70jc0k$hbd$1@news.interlog.com> <362D4727.369C@earthlink.net> Reply-To: bill_h@azstarnet.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 169.197.38.16 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: 909018752 W4NEQTDLS2610A9C5C usenet78.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (Win16; I) Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!Supernews60!supernews.com!Supernews73!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail Andrea Chen wrote: > > cdrmool@NOSPAMinterlog.com wrote: > > > > If Microsoft has based its software on alien technology then I suspect we > > have nothing to worry about in terms of them having superior intelligence. > > That's true. I've found them very easy to fool. But you have to admit > Microsoft technology is clearly alien. AND..... unless they come from a clone-EARTH,..... NO YEAR 2-K PROBLEM! Maybe even, no YEAR. ###### From: Nolan Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,alt.conspiracy,alt.illuminati,alt.usenet.kooks,alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: *PROVEN* Microsoft uses alien technology Date: 21 Oct 1998 21:41:11 GMT Organization: catnip.org Lines: 27 Message-ID: <70lkdn$bon$1@samba.rahul.net> References: <70go8p$7fb$1@fnord.dfw.net> <362D126D.240@earthlink.net> <70jc0k$hbd$1@news.interlog.com> <362D4727.369C@earthlink.net> <70ju25$1sj$1@samba.rahul.net> <362D8899.9BF@earthlink.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: foxtrot.rahul.net NNTP-Posting-User: kjb User-Agent: tin/pre-1.4-980117 (UNIX) (SunOS/4.1.3_U1 (sun4c)) Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.belnet.be!news-raspail.gip.net!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!newspeer.monmouth.com!peerfeed.ncal.verio.net!bug.rahul.net!samba.rahul.net!rahul.net!a2i!catnip.org!nolan In alt.usenet.kooks Andrea Chen wrote: : Nolan wrote: :> :> We Men in Black have worked hard to keep the aliens in their position of :> dominance on this planet. :> : Sexist Pig! It's Men And Women In Black (Mawib). What's the matter with you? Did you get all of your MIB information from that Will Smith movie or something? : Every serious conspiracy expert knows this. You are clearly a disinfo : psyop sent by the cabal. You'll not get me to admit it that easily, especially to a "sane human" such as yourself! -- Nolan olan@catnip.org SKEP-TI-CULT Man in Black #68-67456-068, Cahooter #15 http://www.catnip.org/ http://www.catnip.org/bathroom/ "I see you have made yourself a brand new life Such a cool blue star with a bright new shine I see you wearing your checkered past just like a shining suit of gold I know you think you look so special" ###### Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!usenet From: Neil Franklin Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,alt.conspiracy,alt.illuminati,alt.usenet.kooks,alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: *PROVEN* Microsoft uses alien technology Date: 21 Oct 1998 22:14:55 +0200 Organization: My own Private Self Lines: 16 Sender: neil@chonsp.franklin.ch Message-ID: References: <70go8p$7fb$1@fnord.dfw.net> <362D126D.240@earthlink.net> X-Newsreader: Gnus v5.3/Emacs 19.34 "David Fox" writes: > > I hope that aliens that can travel the universe can come up with a better OS > than Winblows 98! Nope. That is why they keep on crashing them UFOs. Just think of bluescreening an UFO at 10'000 ft hight and doing 5'000 mph. -- *** New home Addresses Mail and Web *** home: neil@franklin.ch.remove http://neil.franklin.ch/ work: franklin@arch.ethz.ch.remove http://caad.arch.ethz.ch/~franklin/ Microsoft is Software Communism, Fight for GNU Freedom! ###### Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!usenet From: Neil Franklin Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,alt.conspiracy,alt.illuminati,alt.usenet.kooks,alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: *PROVEN* Microsoft uses alien technology Date: 21 Oct 1998 22:53:09 +0200 Organization: My own Private Self Lines: 49 Sender: neil@chonsp.franklin.ch Message-ID: References: <70go8p$7fb$1@fnord.dfw.net> <362D126D.240@earthlink.net> X-Newsreader: Gnus v5.3/Emacs 19.34 Andrea Chen writes: > > Mark Shippey wrote: > > The programming that Microsoft used to create Dos and Windows > > is from back-engineered alien computer systems found on some of > > the crashed saucers. Bill Gates was given this by insiders. Actually Bill is one of the surviving aliens. Proven by Usenet long ago: http://neil.franklin.ch/Usenet/alt.paranormal/19980106_What_they_don_t_want_you_to_know_about_the_Roswell_crash > > is great fear now that the current lawsuit by the Justice Department > > will reveal this truth and expose the alien coverup. Microsoft Nope. The lawsuit will get all wrapped up in financial stuff. That is the smokescreen to protect the alien stuff. > From there we go on to the transister (now proven by Corso to have been > found at Roswell.) It's no secret that it's alleged discover (Shockely) Old Hat here on alt.folklore.computers: http://neil.franklin.ch/Usenet/alt.folklore.computers/19971209_Bell_Labs > Internet itself is part of a complex mind programming machine. It uses > subliminal messages and carefully designed memetic structures to lead Actually not mind control, but rather mind destruction. Get us to all store all out data in MS proprietary data formats and then deny us further magic chips. Result is a total loss of all our culture. The total ruin. Willing slaves. > KOTM September 1998 Getting the same award as EGC (may he RIP) and BDK must hurt. -- *** New home Addresses Mail and Web *** home: neil@franklin.ch.remove http://neil.franklin.ch/ work: franklin@arch.ethz.ch.remove http://caad.arch.ethz.ch/~franklin/ Microsoft is Software Communism, Fight for GNU Freedom! ###### From: "Mark Coleman" Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,alt.conspiracy,alt.illuminati,alt.usenet.kooks,alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: *PROVEN* Microsoft uses alien technology Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 13:50:31 +0100 Organization: Virgin Net Usenet Service Lines: 10 Message-ID: <70n9b0$phc$1@nclient1-gui.server.virgin.net> References: <70go8p$7fb$1@fnord.dfw.net> <362D126D.240@earthlink.net> <70jc0k$hbd$1@news.interlog.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.168.120.176 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!Supernews60!supernews.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!news7-gui.server.ntli.net!news-feed.ntli.net!not-for-mail No wonder the saucer crashed, must have been running on windows! Mark cdrmool@NOSPAMinterlog.com wrote in message <70jc0k$hbd$1@news.interlog.com>... > >If Microsoft has based its software on alien technology then I suspect we >have nothing to worry about in terms of them having superior intelligence. ###### From: wess@gtii.com (Wes Szumera) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: *PROVEN* Microsoft uses alien technology Date: Sun, 25 Oct 1998 11:34:58 GMT Organization: Definite Lack Of Lines: 23 Message-ID: <70v2b0$mh5$1@supernews.com> References: <70go8p$7fb$1@fnord.dfw.net> <362D126D.240@earthlink.net> <70jc0k$hbd$1@news.interlog.com> Reply-To: wess@gtii.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.154.70.120 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: 909315232 6GT/K2VXT4678D09AC usenet53.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.belnet.be!news-raspail.gip.net!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!Supernews73!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail wrote: > >If Microsoft has based its software on alien technology then I suspect we >have nothing to worry about in terms of them having superior intelligence. Naw, this is a UN plot to take over the world. After all countries switch to Windows NT, the UN will quietly switch to Linux. With everyones elses IS infrastructure in Chaos, the UN will be able to dominate the world. The key stumbling block is getting 'Smart Gun' technology incorporated into all firearms in the USA. By basing this on Windows, the world government can deny that the reason your guns didn't work when you tried to counter the takeover isn't the UN but Microsoft. It is true that alien technology was used since no human could think an such a demented way to create Windows. The UN have their own aliens working fevershly on NT 5. Wes - if ignorance is bliss, why don't I work with happy - people. ###### From: w6nh2@UNB.ca (Isle) Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,alt.conspiracy,alt.illuminati,alt.usenet.kooks,alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: *PROVEN* Microsoft uses alien technology Followup-To: alt.alien.visitors,alt.conspiracy,alt.illuminati,alt.usenet.kooks,alt.folklore.computers Date: 25 Oct 1998 18:05:00 GMT Organization: UNB Lines: 11 Message-ID: <70vp8c$df2@sol.sun.csd.unb.ca> References: <70go8p$7fb$1@fnord.dfw.net> <362D126D.240@earthlink.net> <70jc0k$hbd$1@news.interlog.com> <70n9b0$phc$1@nclient1-gui.server.virgin.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: sol-alt1.unb.ca X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.belnet.be!news-raspail.gip.net!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!130.185.14.36!torn!garnet.nbnet.nb.ca!news.unb.ca!sol!w6nh2 Mark Coleman (mark.coleman1nospam@virgin.net) wrote: : No wonder the saucer crashed, must have been running on windows! If the UFOs are running Windows, then it's clear why they're flying "saucers". They're actually just hard drive platters to hold the operating system. Islander <->-<->-<->-<->-<->-<->-<->-<->-<->-<->-<->-<->-<->-<->-<->-<->-<->-<->-<-> \ "Sometimes I think the surest sign that intelligent life exists else- / / where in the universe is that none of it has tried to contact us." \ <->-<->-<->-<->-<->-<->-<->-<->-<->-<->-<->-<->-<->-< Calvin & Hobbes >-<-> ###### From: "watcher2" Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,alt.conspiracy,alt.illuminati,alt.usenet.kooks,alt.folklore.computers References: <70go8p$7fb$1@fnord.dfw.net> <362D126D.240@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: *PROVEN* Microsoft uses alien technology Lines: 16 Organization: got none, but I'm employed at least! X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 12:01:38 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.148.138.177 X-Complaints-To: abuse@sprint.ca X-Trace: HME2.newscontent-01.sprint.ca 909508766 209.148.138.177 (Tue, 27 Oct 1998 12:19:26 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 12:19:26 EDT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newscore.univie.ac.at!btnet-peer!btnet!news-a.ais.net!ais.net!tor-nx1.netcom.ca!HME1-2.newsfeed.sprint.ca!HME2.newscontent-01.sprint.ca.POSTED!not-for-mail Ahh....but it does explain the Roswell incident. The OS running the saucer failed, and they had to get out to reboot it, at 20,000 feet. Whump! Now that's an OS crash! Wonder if the last thing they saw was the infamous "blue screen of death" ? David Fox wrote in message ... >I hope that aliens that can travel the universe can come up with a better OS >than Winblows 98! > > ###### From: "Andrew D. Smith" Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: *PROVEN* Microsoft uses alien technology Date: Mon, 2 Nov 1998 16:35:11 -0500 Organization: http://www.supernews.com, The World's Usenet: Discussions Start Here Lines: 34 Message-ID: <71l91q$l9u$1@usenet49.supernews.com> References: <70go8p$7fb$1@fnord.dfw.net> <362D126D.240@earthlink.net> <70jc0k$hbd$1@news.interlog.com> <70v2b0$mh5$1@supernews.com> X-Trace: 910043002 MPSC356OAA425CC92 usenet49.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!isdnet!howland.erols.net!Supernews73!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail plausible....but remember the UN is more the "communist" organization and Microsoft is more the traditional American capitalist organization. I would think Linux is the UN's attempt to destroy what little sovereignty we have left in the US. -- So the goal is to push Linux (made by a socialist and implemented by a multi-national communist community) It is all clear. Wes Szumera wrote in message <70v2b0$mh5$1@supernews.com>... > wrote: > >> >>If Microsoft has based its software on alien technology then I suspect we >>have nothing to worry about in terms of them having superior intelligence. > >Naw, this is a UN plot to take over the world. After all countries >switch to Windows NT, the UN will quietly switch to Linux. With >everyones elses IS infrastructure in Chaos, the UN will be able to >dominate the world. > >The key stumbling block is getting 'Smart Gun' technology incorporated >into all firearms in the USA. By basing this on Windows, the world >government can deny that the reason your guns didn't work when you >tried to counter the takeover isn't the UN but Microsoft. > >It is true that alien technology was used since no human could think >an such a demented way to create Windows. The UN have their own >aliens working fevershly on NT 5. > >Wes >- if ignorance is bliss, why don't I work with happy >- people. ###### From: lisard@zetnet.co.uk Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: *PROVEN* Microsoft uses alien technology Date: 4 Nov 1998 00:05:11 GMT Lines: 24 Message-ID: <71o5nn$tpr$8@irk.zetnet.co.uk> References: <71l91q$l9u$1@usenet49.supernews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: man-037.dialup.zetnet.co.uk X-Trace: irk.zetnet.co.uk 910137911 30523 194.247.41.46 (4 Nov 1998 00:05:11 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 4 Nov 1998 00:05:11 GMT X-Everything: Net-Tamer V 1.08X Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.belnet.be!195.200.0.51.MISMATCH!newshub.bart.net!ayres.ftech.net!news.ftech.net!peer.news.zetnet.net!zetnet.co.uk!not-for-mail On 1998-11-02 andrewsmith@solutioSPAMREMOVEns.nu said: :plausible....but remember the UN is more the "communist" :organization and Microsoft is more the traditional American :capitalist organization. I would think Linux is the UN's attempt to :destroy what little sovereignty we have left in the US. -- So the :goal is to push Linux (made by a socialist and implemented by a :multi-national communist community) Which entirely explains why a notable free market organisation, having spent ages defending Microsoft's right to screw every last little bit of competition out of existence, is now standing behind the principle of Open Source as if they came up with the concept, because it encourages freedom and it's "the rationally selfish choice". The principle of not keeping source code proprietary goes way behind petty ideological squabbles. Of course, a young anarchist's heart is lifted by the success of the concept (guess whose), but I think everyone agrees that a monopoly is a really bad idea, with the possible exception of Marxist-Leninists. -- Communa (united nations? communist? rotflmao) you know soft spoken changes nothing to sing within her... ###### From: "Samael" Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: *PROVEN* Microsoft uses alien technology Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 10:06:09 -0000 Lines: 12 Message-ID: <36402712.0@127.0.0.1> References: <71l91q$l9u$1@usenet49.supernews.com> <71o5nn$tpr$8@irk.zetnet.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.147.8.77 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.belnet.be!newsfeed.wirehub.nl!howland.erols.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!news.itg.net.uk!127.0.0.1!192.168.0.1 lisard@zetnet.co.uk wrote in message <71o5nn$tpr$8@irk.zetnet.co.uk>... >Communa (united nations? communist? rotflmao) Maybe not communist, but definitely socialist. Which is a good thing, IMHO. Samael ###### From: shokwave@well.com (Rob Hafernik) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: *PROVEN* Microsoft uses alien technology Date: Wed, 04 Nov 1998 11:05:45 -0600 Organization: Lines: 11 Message-ID: References: <71l91q$l9u$1@usenet49.supernews.com> <71o5nn$tpr$8@irk.zetnet.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: as1-dialup-74.io.com X-Trace: hiram.io.com 910199029 9931 206.224.82.74 (4 Nov 1998 17:03:49 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@io.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 4 Nov 1998 17:03:49 GMT X-Newsreader: MT-NewsWatcher 2.2.2 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!204.238.120.130!news-feeds.jump.net!solomon.io.com!hiram.io.com!as1-dialup-74.io.com!user > The principle of not keeping source code proprietary goes way behind > petty ideological squabbles. We used to say (and I still believe) that they BEST way to screw our competition would have been to box up our source code and send it to them. They would spend time trying to puzzle it out while we move on. I think the value of source code is much overrated these days. Once in a while, you may have a trick or algorithm that's worth keeping proprietary. Most of the time, however, your own code base is your worst enemy anyway. Giving your worse enemy away is a Good Thing... ###### From: sam@greenaum.demonARSE!ARSE!ARSE!.co.uk (Sam.) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: *PROVEN* Microsoft uses alien technology Date: Sat, 07 Nov 1998 13:47:41 GMT Organization: Rossum's Universal Robots Message-ID: <36444f76.107964@158.152.254.68> References: <71l91q$l9u$1@usenet49.supernews.com> <71o5nn$tpr$8@irk.zetnet.co.uk> <36402712.0@127.0.0.1> Reply-To: sam@greenaum.demonARSE!ARSE!ARSE!.co.uk NNTP-Posting-Host: greenaum.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: greenaum.demon.co.uk:194.222.71.189 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 910446483 nnrp-04:18209 NO-IDENT greenaum.demon.co.uk:194.222.71.189 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 X-No-Archive: yes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 14 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.belnet.be!newsgate.cistron.nl!het.net!news-feed.inet.tele.dk!bofh.vszbr.cz!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!greenaum.demon.co.uk!not-for-mail On Wed, 4 Nov 1998 10:06:09 -0000, "Samael" sprachen: >Maybe not communist, but definitely socialist. Socialist like Stalin was a socialist. New World Order, it's more than just a pop song. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ The person who said he was a crap presenter knows nothing because compared to the outwardly camp stuart miles, speech impediment Katy Hill and nothing upstairs Konnie Huq, he was a true professional. Heh heh heh. ###### From: "Mark Harrison" Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: *PROVEN* Microsoft uses alien technology Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1998 16:31:05 +0800 Organization: gte.net Lines: 24 Message-ID: <7269v1$1qj$1@news-2.news.gte.net> References: <71l91q$l9u$1@usenet49.supernews.com> <71o5nn$tpr$8@irk.zetnet.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: 202.96.30.229 X-Auth: DA53C45117C3849151CA8491 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.belnet.be!news-raspail.gip.net!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!dca1-hub1.news.digex.net!digex!worldfeed.news.gte.net!not-for-mail Rob Hafernik wrote in message ... >We used to say (and I still believe) that they BEST way to screw our >competition would have been to box up our source code and send it to >them. They would spend time trying to puzzle it out while we move on. I once mentioned this idea to a (far older and much more cynical) colleague. He pointed out that the first things *our* employer would do would be to find all the screwed up areas, write a "white paper" that said "try this, this, and this... if your system goofs up, call us!" and send it to all the know customers of our competitor. (This was back when there was serious mainframe database competition... the only thing the competitors agreed upon was that the relational model was for academic highbrows, but would never stand a snowball's chance in the real world.) Mark. markh@usai.asiainfo.com Mark Harrison at AsiaInfo Computer Networks, Beijing, China ###### From: "Andrew Cadley" Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: *PROVEN* Microsoft uses alien technology Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 13:46:29 -0000 Organization: University of East Anglia, Norwich, Norfolk, NR47TJ, UK Lines: 21 Message-ID: <72ruqp$5s7@cpca3.uea.ac.uk> References: <71l91q$l9u$1@usenet49.supernews.com> <71o5nn$tpr$8@irk.zetnet.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: oak6d.vlg1.uea.ac.uk X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2120.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2120.0 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newscore.univie.ac.at!btnet-peer!btnet!rill.news.pipex.net!pipex!server1.netnews.ja.net!server2.netnews.ja.net!cpca3.uea.ac.uk!news lisard@zetnet.co.uk wrote in message <71o5nn$tpr$8@irk.zetnet.co.uk>... :The principle of not keeping source code proprietary goes way behind :petty ideological squabbles. Of course, a young anarchist's heart is :lifted by the success of the concept (guess whose), but I think everyone :agrees that a monopoly is a really bad idea, with the possible exception :of Marxist-Leninists. Well I'm probably asking to be flamed to death, but I really don't agree. If all computers (i.e. not just PeeCees) were to run one operating system, developed by one organisation, then life would be a whole lot easier. Unfortunately M$ don't just produce operating systems and those they do aren't anywhere near as good as they ought to be. AndyC ###### From: genew@vip.net (Gene Wirchenko) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: *PROVEN* Microsoft uses alien technology Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 22:00:55 GMT Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com - Discussions start here! Lines: 42 Message-ID: <3651c237.5776534@news.vip.net> References: <71l91q$l9u$1@usenet49.supernews.com> <71o5nn$tpr$8@irk.zetnet.co.uk> <72ruqp$5s7@cpca3.uea.ac.uk> Reply-To: genew@vip.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.209.212.52 X-Trace: 911339899 A01OARAUVD434CCD1C usenet80.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/32.230 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news-nyc.telia.net!chippy.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!Supernews73!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail "Andrew Cadley" wrote: > >lisard@zetnet.co.uk wrote in message <71o5nn$tpr$8@irk.zetnet.co.uk>... > >:The principle of not keeping source code proprietary goes way behind >:petty ideological squabbles. Of course, a young anarchist's heart is >:lifted by the success of the concept (guess whose), but I think everyone >:agrees that a monopoly is a really bad idea, with the possible exception >:of Marxist-Leninists. > > >Well I'm probably asking to be flamed to death, but I really don't agree. If >all computers (i.e. not just PeeCees) were to run one operating system, >developed by one organisation, then life would be a whole lot easier. Easier for whom? 1) There would be no fallback point if there were a nasty bug. For example, Morris's Internet Worm took advantage of that. 2) If the so-called One True OS makes my work more difficult, I will not be pleased. My box has Windows 95, but I have batch files to automate much of my grunt work. Hand me a system with just a GUI and no CLI and I'll hand you your head. >Unfortunately M$ don't just produce operating systems and those they do >aren't anywhere near as good as they ought to be. If that one OS were a Microsoft OS, your life wouldn't be easier, now would it? I'd much rather have the variety. Sincerely, Gene Wirchenko Computerese Irregular Verb Conjugation: I have preferences. You have biases. He/She has prejudices. ###### From: scottdav@Eng.nospam.COM (Scott Davidson) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: *PROVEN* Microsoft uses alien technol Date: 18 Nov 1998 00:15:45 GMT Organization: LGP21 Users Group Lines: 53 Message-ID: <72t3jh$ga$1@engnews2.Eng.Sun.COM> References: <3651c237.5776534@news.vip.net> Reply-To: scottdav@Eng.nospam.COM NNTP-Posting-Host: voyager2.eng.sun.com Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.wli.net!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!denver-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!namche.Sun.COM!sunnews1.Eng.Sun.COM!ebaynews1.Ebay.Sun.COM!engnews2.Eng.Sun.COM!not-for-mail In article 5776534@news.vip.net, genew@vip.net (Gene Wirchenko) writes: >"Andrew Cadley" wrote: > >> >>lisard@zetnet.co.uk wrote in message <71o5nn$tpr$8@irk.zetnet.co.uk>... >> >>:The principle of not keeping source code proprietary goes way behind >>:petty ideological squabbles. Of course, a young anarchist's heart is >>:lifted by the success of the concept (guess whose), but I think everyone >>:agrees that a monopoly is a really bad idea, with the possible exception >>:of Marxist-Leninists. >> >> >>Well I'm probably asking to be flamed to death, but I really don't agree. If >>all computers (i.e. not just PeeCees) were to run one operating system, >>developed by one organisation, then life would be a whole lot easier. > > Easier for whom? > > 1) There would be no fallback point if there were a nasty bug. For >example, Morris's Internet Worm took advantage of that. > > 2) If the so-called One True OS makes my work more difficult, I will >not be pleased. My box has Windows 95, but I have batch files to >automate much of my grunt work. Hand me a system with just a GUI and >no CLI and I'll hand you your head. > >>Unfortunately M$ don't just produce operating systems and those they do >>aren't anywhere near as good as they ought to be. > > If that one OS were a Microsoft OS, your life wouldn't be easier, >now would it? > > I'd much rather have the variety. > >Sincerely, > >Gene Wirchenko > I suspect people wanting just one OS don't remember the days of the Bell System in the US. Yes, things were easier. But we have a much better communications system today, and it is not just because of technical innovation. I started working for AT&T just before the breakup, and I talked to a lot of old-timers. The motto for handset development was "don't churn the business." Why come up with something new when it meant having to eat all the leased equipment out there? Bell System people were utterly convinced that their monopoly was best for the country. They were very dedicated. They were wrong. Scott ###### From: JS Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: *PROVEN* Microsoft uses alien technology Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 11:36:24 +0000 Organization: The University of York, UK Lines: 32 Sender: jsg102@york.ac.uk Message-ID: References: <71l91q$l9u$1@usenet49.supernews.com> <71o5nn$tpr$8@irk.zetnet.co.uk> <72ruqp$5s7@cpca3.uea.ac.uk> <3651c237.5776534@news.vip.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: mailer.york.ac.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Trace: pump1.york.ac.uk 911388986 20121 144.32.128.96 (18 Nov 1998 11:36:26 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@york.ac.uk NNTP-Posting-Date: 18 Nov 1998 11:36:26 GMT In-Reply-To: <3651c237.5776534@news.vip.net> Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news-nyc.telia.net!howland.erols.net!news-peer.gip.net!news-lond.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!server6.netnews.ja.net!news.york.ac.uk!mailer.york.ac.uk!jsg102 On Tue, 17 Nov 1998, Gene Wirchenko wrote: > > Easier for whom? > > 1) There would be no fallback point if there were a nasty bug. For > example, Morris's Internet Worm took advantage of that. > > 2) If the so-called One True OS makes my work more difficult, I will > not be pleased. My box has Windows 95, but I have batch files to > automate much of my grunt work. Hand me a system with just a GUI and > no CLI and I'll hand you your head. Looks like there's going to be a lot of people wandering around with nothing above their shoulders in a while then... Take Windows `98 (please), it's got this new scripting language in it. I can see MS getting rid of the CLI as soon as possible - having to keep that much legacy support must be really hard for their poor, overworked, underpaid, 3rd world programmers. Thankfully, there's next to no mention of VBScript, or JScript or whatever they want it calling in the help-files etc. With any luck it'll never catch on. If only the same were true of the "OS". Regards, JS -- JS Greenwood Please visit: Langwith College http://welcome.to/wild Univeristy of York for home-grown EPOC-32 software ###### From: p.kerr@auckland.ac.nz (Peter Kerr) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: *PROVEN* Microsoft uses alien technology Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 12:44:13 +1200 Organization: University of Auckland Lines: 33 Message-ID: References: <71l91q$l9u$1@usenet49.supernews.com> <71o5nn$tpr$8@irk.zetnet.co.uk> <72ruqp$5s7@cpca3.uea.ac.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: p.kerr.mus.auckland.ac.nz X-Newsreader: Yet Another NewsWatcher 2.2.0b6 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news-nyc.telia.net!howland.erols.net!news-peer.gip.net!news-stock.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!news.iprolink.co.nz!auckland.ac.nz!p.kerr "Andrew Cadley" wrote: >lisard@zetnet.co.uk wrote in message <71o5nn$tpr$8@irk.zetnet.co.uk>... >:The principle of not keeping source code proprietary goes way behind >:petty ideological squabbles. Of course, a young anarchist's heart is >:lifted by the success of the concept (guess whose), but I think everyone >:agrees that a monopoly is a really bad idea, with the possible exception >:of Marxist-Leninists. > >Well I'm probably asking to be flamed to death, but I really don't agree. If >all computers (i.e. not just PeeCees) were to run one operating system, >developed by one organisation, then life would be a whole lot easier. Just to flog that overworked motorcar analogy again ;-) most cars have four wheels, motor, gearbox, doors, etc, all more or less in the same place, and with the same functionality, and most run on gasoline/petrol. We have a wide choice of motorcar brands, as with PC hardware, but we are not forced to buy the one brand of motor or fuel. There are also diesel and electric versions (Mac, u**x, etc) but the petrol ones are not forced to be all the same. Driving on the same side of the road is a different question (with sometimes strange disagreements too ;-) >Unfortunately M$ don't just produce operating systems and those they do >aren't anywhere near as good as they ought to be. Ah, now if there really was a free market for operating systems shouldn't MS be down the gurgler? -- Peter Kerr bodger School of Music chandler University of Auckland New Zealand neo-Luddite ###### From: lisard@zetnet.co.uk Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: *PROVEN* Microsoft uses alien technology Date: 18 Nov 1998 20:00:32 GMT Lines: 70 Message-ID: <72v910$o7h$1@irk.zetnet.co.uk> References: <72ruqp$5s7@cpca3.uea.ac.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: man-150.dialup.zetnet.co.uk X-Trace: irk.zetnet.co.uk 911419232 24817 194.247.40.191 (18 Nov 1998 20:00:32 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 18 Nov 1998 20:00:32 GMT X-Everything: Net-Tamer V 1.08X Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!btnet-peer!btnet-feed1!btnet!peer.news.zetnet.net!zetnet.co.uk!not-for-mail On 1998-11-17 a.p.cadley@uea.ac.uk said: :lisard@zetnet.co.uk wrote in message <71o5nn$tpr$8@irk.zetnet.co. :uk>... ::The principle of not keeping source code proprietary goes way :behind :petty ideological squabbles. Of course, a young anarchist's :heart is :lifted by the success of the concept (guess whose), but I :think everyone :agrees that a monopoly is a really bad idea, with :the possible exception :of Marxist-Leninists. :Well I'm probably asking to be flamed to death, but I really don't You are, but I won't. :agree. If all computers (i.e. not just PeeCees) were to run one :operating system, developed by one organisation, then life would be :a whole lot easier. You think? If this were the case, there'd never have been any progress past JCL. Competition may cause the consumer a bit of a headache when she realises that her new machine won't run her old software, but the fact that her new machine is so much easier to use / so much more powerful / so much more efficient than her old machine will outweigh the disadvantages. And so long as she can still import everything she was working on before, even the fact that she's changed software won't hurt so much. The basic fact is that without real competition, there is no motive to move forward and the market stagnates. Monopolies are bad things in and of themselves, for the same reason absolutes and humans tend not to mix generally. Once you have claimed a market position to the exclusion of all other comers, there is no reason to do anything for your consumers any more - they have to come to you anyway. Why invest? Why upset the shareholders? Why risk a now-solid market position? Moreover, monopolies are self-perpetuating; it takes an outside force to shift them, since by definition there is no force within the marketplace that can break their stranglehold on the market. In practice, legislature - ie. government - is the only body with oomph enough to do it, which is a shame, but hell, needs must. ;> (Of course, if you have a state-sactioned monopoly you're fucked, but let's not go there. ;> ) :Unfortunately M$ don't just produce operating systems and those :they do aren't anywhere near as good as they ought to be. Yes, and the basic reason MS don't produce good operating systems is that they don't *have* to! They have a stranglehold on the market as it is. Why upset the applecart? Look at the way they operate; if someone else comes up with something that even threatens to threaten their market position, they either buy it up or develop their own alternative, and integrate it tightly into their existing software base, usually making a hash of it along the way. ActiveX vs Java. Netscape vs Internet Explorer. Stacker vs DoubleSpace. DR-DOS vs MS-DOS. Ad infinitum, ad nauseam. The reason the Open Source scene is getting so exciting at the moment is because it's the one avenue Microsoft can't possibly throw money at. They can't buy it out, they can't starve it out, and by definition they can't compete it out. And the utter confusion that this is leaving them in is evident from documents like the Hallowe'en documents, the French letter, et al; one moment they deride Linux as a toy, the next they are talking about killing it with proprietarism. It shows (a) that they just don't get it, (b) that things have come to a pretty pass when MS' only serious competition isn't even operating in a marketplace. Open Source *will* kill MS, but where will it leave the software industry as we know it..? -- Communa (lisard@zetnet.co.uk) -- you know soft spoken changes nothing ###### Reply-To: "Dennis J. Minette" From: "Dennis J. Minette" References: <71l91q$l9u$1@usenet49.supernews.com> <71o5nn$tpr$8@irk.zetnet.co.uk> <72ruqp$5s7@cpca3.uea.ac.uk> Subject: Re: *PROVEN* Microsoft uses alien technology Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 23:58:57 -0500 Lines: 53 Organization: Minette Data Systems, Inc. X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Message-ID: Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers NNTP-Posting-Host: 1Cust75.tnt1.sarasota.fl.da.uu.net [153.37.162.75] Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news-nyc.telia.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!207.68.152.14!upnetnews04!upnetnews03 Peter Kerr wrote in message ... >"Andrew Cadley" wrote: >>lisard@zetnet.co.uk wrote in message <71o5nn$tpr$8@irk.zetnet.co.uk>... >>:The principle of not keeping source code proprietary goes way behind >>:petty ideological squabbles. Of course, a young anarchist's heart is >>:lifted by the success of the concept (guess whose), but I think everyone >>:agrees that a monopoly is a really bad idea, with the possible exception >>:of Marxist-Leninists. >> >>Well I'm probably asking to be flamed to death, but I really don't agree. If >>all computers (i.e. not just PeeCees) were to run one operating system, >>developed by one organisation, then life would be a whole lot easier. > >Just to flog that overworked motorcar analogy again ;-) That analogy ain't. The operating system that is missing in your "overworked motorcar analogy" is, essentially, uniformity in the "rules of the road." How well would interstate commerce fare if every one of the 50 states in the US set up conflicting standards for size, shape, color and wording on all of it's traffic signs. And what if each state had a local option to decide on which side of the road one should drive, the left side or the "proper" side? And how about each state using it's local favorite color schemes for traffic lights instead of the standard red on top, yellow in the middle and green on the bottom. There is the proper analogy relative to operating systems - it's got nothing to do with the cars (applications?) themselves - it's got everything to do with the rules they must operate under to maximize commerce and minimize chaos and anarchy. Hmm ... that brings a question to mind. Would anarchy be the opposite of monopoly? >most cars have four wheels, motor, gearbox, doors, etc, all more or less >in the same place, and with the same functionality, and most run on >gasoline/petrol. We have a wide choice of motorcar brands, as with PC >hardware, but we are not forced to buy the one brand of motor or fuel. >There are also diesel and electric versions (Mac, u**x, etc) but the >petrol ones are not forced to be all the same. > >Driving on the same side of the road is a different question (with >sometimes strange disagreements too ;-) > >>Unfortunately M$ don't just produce operating systems and those they do >>aren't anywhere near as good as they ought to be. > >Ah, now if there really was a free market for operating systems shouldn't >MS be down the gurgler? > >-- >Peter Kerr bodger >School of Music chandler >University of Auckland New Zealand neo-Luddite ###### From: "Andrew Cadley" Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: *PROVEN* Microsoft uses alien technology Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 08:39:28 -0000 Organization: University of East Anglia, Norwich, Norfolk, NR47TJ, UK Lines: 46 Message-ID: <730lj5$5ep@cpca3.uea.ac.uk> References: <72ruqp$5s7@cpca3.uea.ac.uk> <72v910$o7h$1@irk.zetnet.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: oak6d.vlg1.uea.ac.uk X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2120.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2120.0 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news-nyc.telia.net!masternews.telia.net!newsfeed1.swip.net!swipnet!rill.news.pipex.net!pipex!server1.netnews.ja.net!cpca3.uea.ac.uk!news lisard@zetnet.co.uk wrote in message <72v910$o7h$1@irk.zetnet.co.uk>... : [One true OS] :You think? If this were the case, there'd never have been any progress :past JCL. Competition may cause the consumer a bit of a headache when :she realises that her new machine won't run her old software, but the :fact that her new machine is so much easier to use / so much more :powerful / so much more efficient than her old machine will outweigh the :disadvantages. And so long as she can still import everything she was :working on before, even the fact that she's changed software won't hurt :so much. But what I had in mind was not so much Windows X or whatever, but something like a sort of Java of OSes. The standard for APIs and such would be laid out by some sort of standards commitee or something. Different manufacturers would then be free to produce there own versions, which might *look* like Windoze or a Mac but software would be transportable between the two. In fact, that would extend right down to some of the system software so you could, for example, have a MACos look with a unix shell for command line stuff or whatever. Of course, M$ would probably try to corrupt it as usual... :The reason the Open Source scene is getting so exciting at the moment is :because it's the one avenue Microsoft can't possibly throw money at. :They can't buy it out, they can't starve it out, and by definition they :can't compete it out. And the utter confusion that this is leaving them :in is evident from documents like the Hallowe'en documents, the French :letter, et al; one moment they deride Linux as a toy, the next they are :talking about killing it with proprietarism. It shows (a) that they just :don't get it, (b) that things have come to a pretty pass when MS' only :serious competition isn't even operating in a marketplace. Open Source :*will* kill MS, but where will it leave the software industry as we know :it..? The problem with Open Source though, IMHO, is that *anyone* can modify it. While that is in many ways its main strength, it leaves the possibility of there being thousands of ever so slightly incompatible version around. That is what I don't really like about it. AndyC ###### Date: 19 Nov 98 11:57:32 -0800 From: "Charlie Gibbs" Subject: Re: *PROVEN* Microsoft uses alien technology References: <72ruqp$5s7@cpca3.uea.ac.uk> <72v910$o7h$1@irk.zetnet.co.uk> <730lj5$5ep@cpca3.uea.ac.uk> Message-ID: <828.627T1637T7174690@sky.bus.com> Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Lines: 21 X-Newsreader: THOR 2.5a (Amiga;TCP/IP) NNTP-Posting-Host: news.skybus.com X-Trace: 19 Nov 1998 13:12:07 -0800, news.skybus.com Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news-nyc.telia.net!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.fast.net!news-pen-1.sprintlink.net!news-east1.sprintlink.net!news-nysernet-16.sprintlink.net!news-in-east1.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.westel.com!news.skybus.com!204.244.247.121 In article <730lj5$5ep@cpca3.uea.ac.uk> a.p.cadley@uea.ac.uk (Andrew Cadley) writes: >But what I had in mind was not so much Windows X or whatever, but >something like a sort of Java of OSes. The standard for APIs and >such would be laid out by some sort of standards commitee or something. Let's hope that it doesn't get too twisted by the Windoze API . >Of course, M$ would probably try to corrupt it as usual... Which is exactly why it needs to be backed up by a licensing agreement with teeth. Contratulations to Sun for doing their legal homework and managing to repel the Evil Empire's attempts to pervert Java. (If you haven't heard the news yet, go to Sun's web site. They're rather happy right now. So am I.) -- cgibbs@sky.bus.com (Charlie Gibbs) Remove the first period after the "at" sign to reply. ###### From: genew@vip.net (Gene Wirchenko) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: *PROVEN* Microsoft uses alien technology Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 19:35:48 GMT Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com - Discussions start here! Lines: 73 Message-ID: <36544dde.3649676@news.vip.net> References: <71l91q$l9u$1@usenet49.supernews.com> <71o5nn$tpr$8@irk.zetnet.co.uk> <72ruqp$5s7@cpca3.uea.ac.uk> Reply-To: genew@vip.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.209.212.57 X-Trace: 911504056 A01OARAUVD439CCD1C usenet87.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/32.230 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news-nyc.telia.net!newsfeed.direct.ca!Supernews73!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail "Dennis J. Minette" wrote: >Peter Kerr wrote in message ... >>"Andrew Cadley" wrote: >>>lisard@zetnet.co.uk wrote in message <71o5nn$tpr$8@irk.zetnet.co.uk>... >>>:The principle of not keeping source code proprietary goes way behind >>>:petty ideological squabbles. Of course, a young anarchist's heart is >>>:lifted by the success of the concept (guess whose), but I think everyone >>>:agrees that a monopoly is a really bad idea, with the possible exception >>>:of Marxist-Leninists. >>> >>>Well I'm probably asking to be flamed to death, but I really don't agree. >If >>>all computers (i.e. not just PeeCees) were to run one operating system, >>>developed by one organisation, then life would be a whole lot easier. >> >>Just to flog that overworked motorcar analogy again ;-) I thought it was *horses* that got flogged. >That analogy ain't. The operating system that is missing in your >"overworked motorcar analogy" is, essentially, uniformity in the "rules of >the road." How well would interstate commerce fare if every one of the 50 >states in the US set up conflicting standards for size, shape, color and >wording on all of it's traffic signs. And what if each state had a local >option to decide on which side of the road one should drive, the left side >or the "proper" side? And how about each state using it's local favorite And worded their regs to say that one should drive on the proper side of the road thus creating a lovely ambiguity. i.e. whose definition of "proper"? >color schemes for traffic lights instead of the standard red on top, yellow >in the middle and green on the bottom. There is the proper analogy relative Ever been to Alberta? There, the red light is on the left, the yellow in the middle, and the green on the right. (Or maybe it's the other way around. It has been a while.) It makes sense as the traffic light can then be attached on a long side which would make it more secure. In Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, they have (had?) what are called "scramble corners". As well as the usual paths to the adjacent corners, a scramble corner also has a path to the diagonal corner. Like this: ===== |\ /| | \ / | | X | | / \ | |/ \| ===== So we already do have differing standards. They just don't differ too much. >to operating systems - it's got nothing to do with the cars (applications?) >themselves - it's got everything to do with the rules they must operate >under to maximize commerce and minimize chaos and anarchy. Hmm ... that >brings a question to mind. Would anarchy be the opposite of monopoly? No. Anarchy is no control. Monopoly is control by one. [snip] Sincerely, Gene Wirchenko Computerese Irregular Verb Conjugation: I have preferences. You have biases. He/She has prejudices. ###### From: genew@vip.net (Gene Wirchenko) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: *PROVEN* Microsoft uses alien technology Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 19:35:51 GMT Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com - Discussions start here! Lines: 67 Message-ID: <36544ffb.4191516@news.vip.net> References: <72ruqp$5s7@cpca3.uea.ac.uk> <72v910$o7h$1@irk.zetnet.co.uk> <730lj5$5ep@cpca3.uea.ac.uk> Reply-To: genew@vip.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.209.212.57 X-Trace: 911504059 A01OARAUVD439CCD1C usenet87.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/32.230 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news-nyc.telia.net!newsfeed.direct.ca!Supernews73!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail "Andrew Cadley" wrote: >lisard@zetnet.co.uk wrote in message <72v910$o7h$1@irk.zetnet.co.uk>... >: >[One true OS] >:You think? If this were the case, there'd never have been any progress >:past JCL. Competition may cause the consumer a bit of a headache when >:she realises that her new machine won't run her old software, but the >:fact that her new machine is so much easier to use / so much more >:powerful / so much more efficient than her old machine will outweigh the >:disadvantages. And so long as she can still import everything she was >:working on before, even the fact that she's changed software won't hurt >:so much. > > >But what I had in mind was not so much Windows X or whatever, but something >like a sort of Java of OSes. The standard for APIs and such would be laid >out by some sort of standards commitee or something. > >Different manufacturers would then be free to produce there own versions, >which might *look* like Windoze or a Mac but software would be transportable >between the two. In fact, that would extend right down to some of the system >software so you could, for example, have a MACos look with a unix shell for >command line stuff or whatever. > >Of course, M$ would probably try to corrupt it as usual... You show a fine appreciation of the way the world is. >:The reason the Open Source scene is getting so exciting at the moment is >:because it's the one avenue Microsoft can't possibly throw money at. >:They can't buy it out, they can't starve it out, and by definition they >:can't compete it out. And the utter confusion that this is leaving them >:in is evident from documents like the Hallowe'en documents, the French >:letter, et al; one moment they deride Linux as a toy, the next they are >:talking about killing it with proprietarism. It shows (a) that they just >:don't get it, (b) that things have come to a pretty pass when MS' only >:serious competition isn't even operating in a marketplace. Open Source >:*will* kill MS, but where will it leave the software industry as we know >:it..? > >The problem with Open Source though, IMHO, is that *anyone* can modify it. >While that is in many ways its main strength, it leaves the possibility of >there being thousands of ever so slightly incompatible version around. That >is what I don't really like about it. I understand that Linux has official code. If you want to hack it to your needs, fine, but you may lose continuity with future versions. It's your choice. I'm a programmer/analyst. I have written a number of tools for my use. I love having the source to my tools. If I find that one of them isn't quite doing it, I adjust it. While standardization has its advantages, it is quite frustrating to have a no-source-available tool that almost but not quite does what you want/need and causes you more work because of it. The more minor the change would be, the more frustrating. Sincerely, Gene Wirchenko Computerese Irregular Verb Conjugation: I have preferences. You have biases. He/She has prejudices. ###### From: nickb@primenet.com (Nick S Bensema) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: *PROVEN* Microsoft uses alien technology Date: 19 Nov 1998 23:05:14 GMT Organization: PrImE NuT (602)864-1005 <--- <--- <--- Lines: 44 Message-ID: <73287a$p37$2@nnrp02.primenet.com> References: <71l91q$l9u$1@usenet49.supernews.com> <72ruqp$5s7@cpca3.uea.ac.uk> <3651c237.5776534@news.vip.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: usr02.primenet.com X-Complaints-To: abuse@globalcenter.net X-Posted-By: nickb@206.165.6.202 (nickb) X-Newsreader: trn 4.0-test58 (13 May 97) Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news-nyc.telia.net!howland.erols.net!newspeer.monmouth.com!nntp.giganews.com!nntp.primenet.com!news.primenet.com!not-for-mail In article , JS wrote: > >Looks like there's going to be a lot of people wandering around with >nothing above their shoulders in a while then... Take Windows `98 >(please), it's got this new scripting language in it. I can see MS >getting rid of the CLI as soon as possible - having to keep that much >legacy support must be really hard for their poor, overworked, underpaid, >3rd world programmers. Thankfully, there's next to no mention >of VBScript, or JScript or whatever they want it calling in the help-files >etc. With any luck it'll never catch on. If only the same were true of >the "OS". Actually, there ought to be oodles of information about it in the help files, or the manual, or whatever. Operating systems like DOS used to come with a big ol' book that documented just about everything the user needed to know. Why put something in if you aren't going to document it? Sadly, a thick manual seems to have negative connotations to the end-user, who sees that thing and thinks he has to read the whole thing. This doesn't stop Microsoft from publishing ten-pound "Secrets of Windows 98" books, though. But a thick manual shouldn't be necessary anyway, now that CD-ROMs are so common. Distribute a 600-meg online manual with everything in it. The existence of CD-ROMs should have revolutionized the nature of on-line help, but they haven't. Even DOS had on-line help in version 6.22; you could get all the help you needed to make any sort of batch file. I even learned to make menu-based CONFIG.SYS files with it. Of course, they got rid of it in version 7.00 (95). And they put in a lot of "What's This?" context menus that don't tell you what things are. Though I guess it's not as if the command prompt itself is widely known-about. I don't think it's going away, but I do know that whatever they put in its place is probably going to be way more esoteric than a batch file. -- Nick Bensema 98-KUPD Red Card #710563 UIN: 2135445 ~~~~ ~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ duh ###### From: genew@vip.net (Gene Wirchenko) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: *PROVEN* Microsoft uses alien technology Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 04:32:40 GMT Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com - Discussions start here! Lines: 63 Message-ID: <3654c092.33018044@news.vip.net> References: <71l91q$l9u$1@usenet49.supernews.com> <72ruqp$5s7@cpca3.uea.ac.uk> <3651c237.5776534@news.vip.net> <73287a$p37$2@nnrp02.primenet.com> Reply-To: genew@vip.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.209.212.31 X-Trace: 911536210 A01OARAUVD41FCCD1C usenet52.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/32.230 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news-nyc.telia.net!dca1-hub1.news.digex.net!digex!feeder.qis.net!newsfeed-east.supernews.com!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail nickb@primenet.com (Nick S Bensema) wrote: >In article , >JS wrote: >> >>Looks like there's going to be a lot of people wandering around with >>nothing above their shoulders in a while then... Take Windows `98 >>(please), it's got this new scripting language in it. I can see MS >>getting rid of the CLI as soon as possible - having to keep that much >>legacy support must be really hard for their poor, overworked, underpaid, >>3rd world programmers. Thankfully, there's next to no mention >>of VBScript, or JScript or whatever they want it calling in the help-files >>etc. With any luck it'll never catch on. If only the same were true of >>the "OS". > >Actually, there ought to be oodles of information about it in the >help files, or the manual, or whatever. Operating systems like >DOS used to come with a big ol' book that documented just about >everything the user needed to know. Why put something in if you >aren't going to document it? > >Sadly, a thick manual seems to have negative connotations to the >end-user, who sees that thing and thinks he has to read the whole >thing. This doesn't stop Microsoft from publishing ten-pound >"Secrets of Windows 98" books, though. But a thick manual shouldn't >be necessary anyway, now that CD-ROMs are so common. Distribute >a 600-meg online manual with everything in it. The existence of >CD-ROMs should have revolutionized the nature of on-line help, but >they haven't. I think that the reason for that is that it is next to impossible to find anything in many manuals when you are just getting started. I don't think that the solution is to omit those manuals. Rather, I suggest including a manual to the big manual(s). This mini-manual would have a big "Read Me First!" sticker on it. It would be *slim* and contain the basic information about the system and where to find out more. One of the items might be an annotated table of contents of the larger manual(s) explaining what is explained and why you might be interested in that chapter. >Even DOS had on-line help in version 6.22; you could get all the >help you needed to make any sort of batch file. I even learned to >make menu-based CONFIG.SYS files with it. Of course, they got rid >of it in version 7.00 (95). And they put in a lot of "What's This?" >context menus that don't tell you what things are. > >Though I guess it's not as if the command prompt itself is widely >known-about. I don't think it's going away, but I do know that >whatever they put in its place is probably going to be way more >esoteric than a batch file. Maybe such a beast could be given a suitable name (such as Cthulhu). Sincerely, Gene Wirchenko Computerese Irregular Verb Conjugation: I have preferences. You have biases. He/She has prejudices. ###### From: ftit@engin.umich.edu (Sergej Roytman) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: *PROVEN* Microsoft uses alien technology Date: 20 Nov 1998 19:00:50 GMT Organization: University of Michigan, College of Engineering Lines: 33 Message-ID: <734e92$6n8@srvr1.engin.umich.edu> References: <71l91q$l9u$1@usenet49.supernews.com> <72ruqp$5s7@cpca3.uea.ac.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: az.engin.umich.edu Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.belnet.be!isdnet!howland.erols.net!netnews.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news.eecs.umich.edu!srvr1.engin.umich.edu!ftit In article , Dennis J. Minette wrote: >Peter Kerr wrote in message ... >>"Andrew Cadley" wrote: >>>lisard@zetnet.co.uk wrote in message <71o5nn$tpr$8@irk.zetnet.co.uk>... >That analogy ain't. The operating system that is missing in your >"overworked motorcar analogy" is, essentially, uniformity in the "rules of >the road." The operating system is what's missing from Windoze-XX boxes, you mean. > How well would interstate commerce fare if every one of the 50 >states in the US set up conflicting standards for size, shape, color and >wording on all of it's traffic signs. That's not the point. We have uniform protocols for getting data from place to place. The fact that you are reading this message attests to this. Having everybody run the same OS would be more like having every car on the freeway be of the same make. Is this possible? Actually, yes. In the old USSR, where I was born, there was one brand of automobiles: Government Brand. From what I hear (having been quite young when my family emigrated) they were ridiculously expensive, uncomfortable and unreliable. Except for the Super-Deluxe-Komrade-Komissar models, which were simply astronomically expensive. Now, gentle listeners, I do not pretend to tell you to extend this back to the domain of computers and their opertating systems, but of course you are free to draw your own conclusions. -- Sergej Roytman ###### Message-ID: <36563360.B1041CA0@bellsouth.net> From: Max F Lang Reply-To: mflang@bellsouth.net Organization: Home Computing X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.34 i586) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: *PROVEN* Microsoft uses alien technology References: <71l91q$l9u$1@usenet49.supernews.com> <72ruqp$5s7@cpca3.uea.ac.uk> <3651c237.5776534@news.vip.net> <73287a$p37$2@nnrp02.primenet.com> <3654c092.33018044@news.vip.net> <7339ka$t8q@cpca3.uea.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 14 Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1998 02:23:00 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: host-209-214-35-210.mco.bellsouth.net NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 21:23:00 EST Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.atl!news4.mco.POSTED!not-for-mail Andrew Cadley wrote: > > : This mini-manual would have a big "Read Me First!" sticker on it. > :It would be *slim* and contain the basic information about the system > That reminds me of the original spectrum, which came with a nice slim, > user-friendly introductory booklet. It had all the things like how to load The KayPros all had a thin "book of books" that explained what all those thicker books were about. Lord knows trying to plough through the DBase II manual for the KayPro was migraine enough! Max ###### From: jadams@NO.SPAM.PLEASE (James W. Adams) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: *PROVEN* Microsoft uses alien technology Date: 21 Nov 1998 17:53:00 -0500 Organization: UNIX Internals, Charlottesville, VA Lines: 20 Message-ID: <737g8c$ecb@jamesa.cstone.net> References: <72ruqp$5s7@cpca3.uea.ac.uk> <730lj5$5ep@cpca3.uea.ac.uk> <36544ffb.4191516@news.vip.net> <7376r1$sgc$1@clarknet.clark.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: jamesa.cstone.net X-Trace: Skuzzy.cstone.net 911689059 15004 206.205.42.225 (21 Nov 1998 22:57:39 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@news.cstone.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 21 Nov 1998 22:57:39 GMT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news-nyc.telia.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!ptdnetP!newsgate.ptd.net!news1.cstone.net!news.COMET.NET!not-for-mail In article <7376r1$sgc$1@clarknet.clark.net>, Mike Williams wrote: > >I know exactly what you mean. I remember a few years back being totally >frustrated by the way MS Word 6.0 processed mail lists, so I thought to myself >"I'll just patch the code, recompile and... DAMN!" OTOH, this reflects more a lack of vision in interface design than anything else. Many people who used the UNIX CLI after source became less available were still able to extend its functionality in a very useful way. Open, extensible interfaces often obviate the need to modify applications, though it is nice to have the means for both. -- James W. Adams -- jamesa @ cstone.net <-- remove spaces "I became obsessed with angels and ballerinas, things of grace and beauty, otherworldly." Charlottesville, VA 22903 --C. Love ###### From: daolath@news1.mnsinc.com (Mike Williams) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: *PROVEN* Microsoft uses alien technology Date: 21 Nov 1998 20:12:17 GMT Organization: Verio Mid-Atlantic Lines: 20 Message-ID: <7376r1$sgc$1@clarknet.clark.net> References: <72ruqp$5s7@cpca3.uea.ac.uk> <72v910$o7h$1@irk.zetnet.co.uk> <730lj5$5ep@cpca3.uea.ac.uk> <36544ffb.4191516@news.vip.net> Reply-To: daolath@mnsinc.com NNTP-Posting-Host: daolath.mnsinc.com X-Newsreader: slrn (0.9.2.1 BETA OS/2) Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newscore.univie.ac.at!howland.erols.net!news.idt.net!news-feed.fnsi.net!newsxfer.visi.net!news.clark.net!daolath On Thu, 19 Nov 1998 19:35:51 GMT, Gene Wirchenko wrote: > I'm a programmer/analyst. I have written a number of tools for >my use. I love having the source to my tools. If I find that one of >them isn't quite doing it, I adjust it. > > While standardization has its advantages, it is quite frustrating >to have a no-source-available tool that almost but not quite does what >you want/need and causes you more work because of it. The more minor >the change would be, the more frustrating. I know exactly what you mean. I remember a few years back being totally frustrated by the way MS Word 6.0 processed mail lists, so I thought to myself "I'll just patch the code, recompile and... DAMN!" -- -Mike http://www.mnsinc.com/daolath/index.html I can also be reached at work: mike.williams@swift.com or at school: mwillial@osf1.gmu.edu ###### From: joet@jtcs.net (joet) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: *PROVEN* Microsoft uses alien technology Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1998 15:00:40 -0500 Organization: jtcs Lines: 26 Message-ID: References: <71l91q$l9u$1@usenet49.supernews.com> <72ruqp$5s7@cpca3.uea.ac.uk> <3651c237.5776534@news.vip.net> <73287a$p37$2@nnrp02.primenet.com> <3654c092.33018044@news.vip.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: p-975.newsdawg.com X-Newsreader: MicroPlanet Gravity v2.10 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!pln-w!spln!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!enews1 In article <3654c092.33018044@news.vip.net>, genew@vip.net says... > I think that the reason for that is that it is next to impossible > to find anything in many manuals when you are just getting started. I > don't think that the solution is to omit those manuals. Rather, I > suggest including a manual to the big manual(s). > > This mini-manual would have a big "Read Me First!" sticker on it. > It would be *slim* and contain the basic information about the system > and where to find out more. One of the items might be an annotated > table of contents of the larger manual(s) explaining what is explained > and why you might be interested in that chapter. DEC used to do this extremely well. Back in the mid 80's when I worked at the SDC, they filmed two of us unpacking a big, boxed order of RSTS/E as though we were customers. We found lots of different boxes/bags marked "Read Me First!" in it. (In addition, while checking the packing slip/BOM and trying to figure out if we got everything we were supposed to, several listed parts seemed to be missing. Eventually one of the packaging guys stopped us and told us that we were searching for the BOM itself and the cardboard boxes that contained the sub-kits.) -joet ###### From: dpeschel@u.washington.edu (D. Peschel) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: *PROVEN* Microsoft uses alien technology Date: 23 Nov 1998 01:19:46 GMT Organization: University of Washington, Seattle Lines: 38 Message-ID: <73ad7i$nug$1@nntp1.u.washington.edu> References: <71l91q$l9u$1@usenet49.supernews.com> <73287a$p37$2@nnrp02.primenet.com> <3654c092.33018044@news.vip.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: saul2.u.washington.edu X-Trace: nntp1.u.washington.edu 911783986 24528 (None) 140.142.17.40 X-Complaints-To: help@cac.washington.edu NNTP-Posting-User: dpeschel Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news-nyc.telia.net!newsfeed.direct.ca!news.u.washington.edu!dpeschel In article , joet wrote: >In article <3654c092.33018044@news.vip.net>, genew@vip.net says... >> This mini-manual would have a big "Read Me First!" sticker on it. >> It would be *slim* and contain the basic information about the system >> and where to find out more. One of the items might be an annotated >> table of contents of the larger manual(s) explaining what is explained >> and why you might be interested in that chapter. > >DEC used to do this extremely well. > >Back in the mid 80's when I worked at the SDC, they filmed two of us >unpacking a big, boxed order of RSTS/E as though we were customers. We >found lots of different boxes/bags marked "Read Me First!" in it. ^^^^ I guess DEC's quality slipped by the mid-80's, if there was more than one thing you were supposed to read at the same time (i.e., first). :) >(In addition, while checking the packing slip/BOM and trying to figure >out if we got everything we were supposed to, several listed parts seemed >to be missing. Eventually one of the packaging guys stopped us and told >us that we were searching for the BOM itself and the cardboard boxes that >contained the sub-kits.) I suppose it would have helped to put descriptions on the packing slip or BOM, instead of just part numbers. What happened to the film? When I started reading it, I thought, "Perhaps DEC is making a commercial?" (though I realize they probably never did that, or at least very rarely). Now I see that it was for DEC to check its own practices. Hmm, you should try the same experiment with a new Compaq system and see if the quality has gotten _more_ sloppy by now. Include the Windows 95 box that comes with the system. -- Derek ###### From: eldredge@poboxes.com (John F. Eldredge) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: *PROVEN* Microsoft uses alien technology Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 03:57:29 GMT Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <71l91q$l9u$1@usenet49.supernews.com> <71o5nn$tpr$8@irk.zetnet.co.uk> <72ruqp$5s7@cpca3.uea.ac.uk> <36544dde.3649676@news.vip.net> X-Posted-Path-Was: not-for-mail Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-ELN-Date: 23 Nov 1998 03:56:16 GMT X-ELN-Insert-Date: Sun Nov 22 20:05:04 1998 Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 Lines: 30 Mime-Version: 1.0 NNTP-Posting-Host: ip113.nashville7.tn.pub-ip.psi.net Message-ID: <36588642.145973334@news.earthlink.net> Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.belnet.be!isdnet!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!posted-from-earthlink!not-for-mail genew@vip.net (Gene Wirchenko) wrote: > In Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, they have (had?) what are called >"scramble corners". As well as the usual paths to the adjacent >corners, a scramble corner also has a path to the diagonal corner. >Like this: > ===== > |\ /| > | \ / | > | X | > | / \ | > |/ \| > ===== > > So we already do have differing standards. They just don't >differ too much. If you are referring to pedestrian crosswalks at intersections, that arrangement was tried in the late 1960's in Nashville, Tennessee, USA. In one phase of the traffic light cycle, the lights would be red in all directions to give pedestrians the opportunity to cross on the diagonal. After a few years, they went back to the previous arrangement, with the Walk signals active while traffic was moving through the intersection parallel to the crosswalk. -- John F. Eldredge -- eldredge@poboxes.com PGP key available from http://www.netforward.com/poboxes/?eldredge/ -- "There must be, not a balance of power, but a community of power; not organized rivalries, but an organized common peace." - Woodrow Wilson ###### From: eldredge@poboxes.com (John F. Eldredge) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: *PROVEN* Microsoft uses alien technology Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 03:57:30 GMT Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <71l91q$l9u$1@usenet49.supernews.com> <72ruqp$5s7@cpca3.uea.ac.uk> <3651c237.5776534@news.vip.net> <73287a$p37$2@nnrp02.primenet.com> <3654c092.33018044@news.vip.net> X-Posted-Path-Was: not-for-mail Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-ELN-Date: 23 Nov 1998 03:56:18 GMT X-ELN-Insert-Date: Sun Nov 22 20:05:04 1998 Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 Lines: 38 Mime-Version: 1.0 NNTP-Posting-Host: ip113.nashville7.tn.pub-ip.psi.net Message-ID: <36598833.146470738@news.earthlink.net> Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.belnet.be!newsfeed.wirehub.nl!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!posted-from-earthlink!not-for-mail joet@jtcs.net (joet) wrote: >In article <3654c092.33018044@news.vip.net>, genew@vip.net says... > >> I think that the reason for that is that it is next to impossible >> to find anything in many manuals when you are just getting started. I >> don't think that the solution is to omit those manuals. Rather, I >> suggest including a manual to the big manual(s). >> >> This mini-manual would have a big "Read Me First!" sticker on it. >> It would be *slim* and contain the basic information about the system >> and where to find out more. One of the items might be an annotated >> table of contents of the larger manual(s) explaining what is explained >> and why you might be interested in that chapter. > >DEC used to do this extremely well. > >Back in the mid 80's when I worked at the SDC, they filmed two of us >unpacking a big, boxed order of RSTS/E as though we were customers. We >found lots of different boxes/bags marked "Read Me First!" in it. > >(In addition, while checking the packing slip/BOM and trying to figure >out if we got everything we were supposed to, several listed parts seemed >to be missing. Eventually one of the packaging guys stopped us and told >us that we were searching for the BOM itself and the cardboard boxes that >contained the sub-kits.) They listed the bill of materials itself on the bill of materials? Talk about a useless piece of information! This would need to be listed on the master bill of materials used by the packaging department, but if the end-user is reading the enclosed bill of materials, they obviously have it in hand. -- John F. Eldredge -- eldredge@poboxes.com PGP key available from http://www.netforward.com/poboxes/?eldredge/ -- "There must be, not a balance of power, but a community of power; not organized rivalries, but an organized common peace." - Woodrow Wilson ##### From: spalding@iol.ie (Nick Spalding) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: *PROVEN* Microsoft uses alien technology Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 12:36:12 GMT Organization: Ireland On-Line Lines: 23 Message-ID: <3669567b.240868842@news.iol.ie> References: <71l91q$l9u$1@usenet49.supernews.com> <71o5nn$tpr$8@irk.zetnet.co.uk> <72ruqp$5s7@cpca3.uea.ac.uk> <36544dde.3649676@news.vip.net> <36588642.145973334@news.earthlink.net> Reply-To: spalding@iol.ie NNTP-Posting-Host: dialup-0052.dublin.iol.ie Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news-nyc.telia.net!newshub.northeast.verio.net!btnet-peer!btnet!news-lond.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!iol!iol.ie!not-for-mail John F. Eldredge wrote: > genew@vip.net (Gene Wirchenko) wrote: > > > ===== > > |\ /| > > | \ / | > > | X | > > | / \ | > > |/ \| > > ===== > > If you are referring to pedestrian crosswalks at intersections, that > arrangement was tried in the late 1960's in Nashville, Tennessee, USA. > In one phase of the traffic light cycle, the lights would be red in > all directions to give pedestrians the opportunity to cross on the > diagonal. After a few years, they went back to the previous > arrangement, with the Walk signals active while traffic was moving > through the intersection parallel to the crosswalk. I saw them in use in Pasadena CA as recently as 1995. -- Nick Spalding ###### From: don@news.daedalus.co.nz (Don Stokes) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: *PROVEN* Microsoft uses alien technology Date: 23 Nov 1998 13:28:07 GMT Organization: Daedalus Consulting Lines: 16 Message-ID: <73bnt7$lrv$1@news.wlg.netlink.net.nz> References: <71l91q$l9u$1@usenet49.supernews.com> <73287a$p37$2@nnrp02.primenet.com> <3654c092.33018044@news.vip.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: toyunix.zl2tnm.gen.nz Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news-nyc.telia.net!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!203.97.37.7!newsfeed.clear.net.nz!news.wlg.netlink.net.nz!don joet wrote: >(In addition, while checking the packing slip/BOM and trying to figure >out if we got everything we were supposed to, several listed parts seemed >to be missing. Eventually one of the packaging guys stopped us and told >us that we were searching for the BOM itself and the cardboard boxes that >contained the sub-kits.) You never got CRONEL on the BOM? We always wondered what CRONEL was, until after much research we finally figured out that it was whatever piece of crap they used to fill the gap between the size of the kit and the size of the box -- sometimes it was a smaller box, sometimes just a bit of screwed up packing paper, sometimes a bit more fancy. But it was alwars mentioned on the BOM. -- Don Stokes, Networking Consultant http://www.daedalus.co.nz +64 25 739 724 ###### From: hellsop@execpc.com (Peter H. Coffin) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: *PROVEN* Microsoft uses alien technology Date: Thu, 26 Nov 1998 15:58:44 -0600 Organization: ExecPC Internet - Milwaukee, WI Lines: 16 Approved: ah so, strange news servers bounce "Approved: no" articles. Message-ID: <73kit8$t55@newsops.execpc.com> References: <71l91q$l9u$1@usenet49.supernews.com> <71o5nn$tpr$8@irk.zetnet.co.uk> <72ruqp$5s7@cpca3.uea.ac.uk> <36544dde.3649676@news.vip.net> <36588642.145973334@news.earthlink.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: traken-43.isdn.mke.execpc.com X-Trace: gotham-globe.newsops.execpc.com 912117480 29861 (None) 169.207.67.171 X-Complaints-To: abuse@execpc.com X-No-Archive: Yes Mail-Copies-To: never X-Face: UlYAGAXCay!kP+LL$r`^aw{/W5<<=s!"D")0|s1#}ZM2YnXH2kq@2dPlI6FBT 8wCJ7YBj2x\^)-vi["NV~D'\"(S|+^@J'':9t3kwytu!d0:"aAQ!={]`61+ X-Newsreader: MacSOUP 2.3.3 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeeds.sol.net!newsops.execpc.com!posts.execpc.com!gotham-globe.newsops.execpc.com!hellsop John F. Eldredge wrote: > In one phase of the traffic light cycle, the lights would be red in > all directions to give pedestrians the opportunity to cross on the > diagonal. Hmmm... It would seem much more efficient to have the diagonals allow pedestrians alternately, intermeshed with the other signal cycles. For example, the NS and EW traffic could have red lights, with EW also having left turn green arrows (right for .uk, .jp, etc) and the diagonal running SW to NE (NW to SE for .uk, .jp, etc.) would permit crossings. -- "The path of my life is scattered with cowpats from the Devil's Own Satanic Herd!" - E. Blackadder ###### From: ftit@engin.umich.edu (Sergej Roytman) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: *PROVEN* Microsoft uses alien technology Date: 28 Nov 1998 20:43:19 GMT Organization: University of Michigan, College of Engineering Lines: 18 Message-ID: <73pn97$lji@srvr1.engin.umich.edu> References: <71l91q$l9u$1@usenet49.supernews.com> <36544dde.3649676@news.vip.net> <36588642.145973334@news.earthlink.net> <73kit8$t55@newsops.execpc.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: az.engin.umich.edu Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news-nyc.telia.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.eecs.umich.edu!srvr1.engin.umich.edu!ftit In article <73kit8$t55@newsops.execpc.com>, Peter H. Coffin wrote: >John F. Eldredge wrote: >> In one phase of the traffic light cycle, the lights would be red in >> all directions to give pedestrians the opportunity to cross on the >> diagonal. >Hmmm... It would seem much more efficient to have the diagonals allow >pedestrians alternately, intermeshed with the other signal cycles. I remember something like this being implemented in Auckland when I was there a couple New Years ago. At first I thought that the pedestrians were just being sloppy (as they tend to be in my own Ann Arbor), but then I noticed the diagonal crosswalk lines. Any Kiwis out there who can explain how this works? -- Sergej Roytman ###### From: David O'Bedlam Subject: Re: *PROVEN* Microsoft uses alien technology Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers References: <71l91q$l9u$1@usenet49.supernews.com> <72ruqp$5s7@cpca3.uea.ac.uk> <3651c237.5776534@news.vip.net> <73287a$p37$2@nnrp02.primenet.com> <3654c092.33018044@news.vip.net> Organization: Gehenna-By-The-Sea Lines: 28 Message-ID: <%0082.378$fn2.1438@news14.ispnews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.201.34.8 X-Trace: news14.ispnews.com 912297147 207.201.34.8 (Sat, 28 Nov 1998 18:52:27 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 28 Nov 1998 18:52:27 EDT Date: Sat, 28 Nov 1998 23:52:27 GMT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news-nyc.telia.net!dca1-hub1.news.digex.net!digex!hub1.ispnews.com!news14.ispnews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Gene Wirchenko wrote: > This mini-manual would have a big "Read Me First!" sticker on it. > It would be *slim* and contain the basic information about the system > and where to find out more. One of the items might be an annotated > table of contents of the larger manual(s) explaining what is explained > and why you might be interested in that chapter. Why not include it as part one of the manual, "Getting Started" or something, with a big banner/sticker on the cover "You Must See Our New Getting Started Guide!" [re command prompt or replacement] > Maybe such a beast could be given a suitable name (such as > Cthulhu). I can see it now: "Micro$oft Chthulu '04, Your Computing Solution!" (Kinda like phosporic acid for your CPU, but they won't tell you that.) D. -- "I can't gracefully accept the universe. But I've found I that I *can* gracefully accept the fact that the universe should not exist." -- Satanas Uxora, on alt.angst ###### From: David O'Bedlam Subject: Re: *PROVEN* Microsoft uses alien technology Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers References: <71l91q$l9u$1@usenet49.supernews.com> <73287a$p37$2@nnrp02.primenet.com> <3654c092.33018044@news.vip.net> <73ad7i$nug$1@nntp1.u.washington.edu> Organization: Gehenna-By-The-Sea Lines: 15 Message-ID: <54082.380$fn2.1438@news14.ispnews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.201.34.8 X-Trace: news14.ispnews.com 912297345 207.201.34.8 (Sat, 28 Nov 1998 18:55:45 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 28 Nov 1998 18:55:45 EDT Date: Sat, 28 Nov 1998 23:55:45 GMT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!hub1.ispnews.com!news14.ispnews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail D. Peschel wrote: > I guess DEC's quality slipped by the mid-80's, if there was more than one > thing you were supposed to read at the same time (i.e., first). :) But I've seen, in GNU packages: README, README.TXT, README.1ST, and (tah-dah) README.NOW. Etc. D. -- "I can't gracefully accept the universe. But I've found I that I *can* gracefully accept the fact that the universe should not exist." -- Satanas Uxora, on alt.angst ###### From: don@news.daedalus.co.nz (Don Stokes) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: *PROVEN* Microsoft uses alien technology Date: 29 Nov 1998 02:16:34 GMT Organization: Daedalus Consulting Lines: 26 Message-ID: <73qaq2$7g5$1@news.wlg.netlink.net.nz> References: <71l91q$l9u$1@usenet49.supernews.com> <36588642.145973334@news.earthlink.net> <73kit8$t55@newsops.execpc.com> <73pn97$lji@srvr1.engin.umich.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: toyunix.zl2tnm.gen.nz Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news-nyc.telia.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!203.97.37.7!newsfeed.clear.net.nz!news.wlg.netlink.net.nz!don Sergej Roytman wrote: >Peter H. Coffin wrote: >>John F. Eldredge wrote: >>> In one phase of the traffic light cycle, the lights would be red in >>> all directions to give pedestrians the opportunity to cross on the >>> diagonal. > >I remember something like this being implemented in Auckland when I was >there a couple New Years ago. At first I thought that the pedestrians >were just being sloppy (as they tend to be in my own Ann Arbor), but >then I noticed the diagonal crosswalk lines. > >Any Kiwis out there who can explain how this works? I didn't think there was anything to explain. All the traffic signals go red, all the pedestrian signals change to "CROSS", there are diagonal lines painted by the corners to indicate that this is in fact likely to happen, and everybody walks. Aucklanders seem to be very patient about waiting for the traffic lights; whenever I'm in Ak it seems half of Auckland is standing on the corners staring at an otherwise empty road, while this mad solitary Wellingtonian just charges across regardless. -- Don Stokes, Networking Consultant http://www.daedalus.co.nz +64 25 739 724 ###### From: genew@vip.net (Gene Wirchenko) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: *PROVEN* Microsoft uses alien technology Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 02:21:06 GMT Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com - Discussions start here! Lines: 36 Message-ID: <366094d6.16865810@news.vip.net> References: <71l91q$l9u$1@usenet49.supernews.com> <72ruqp$5s7@cpca3.uea.ac.uk> <3651c237.5776534@news.vip.net> <73287a$p37$2@nnrp02.primenet.com> <3654c092.33018044@news.vip.net> <%0082.378$fn2.1438@news14.ispnews.com> Reply-To: genew@vip.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.209.212.30 X-Trace: 912305905 A01OARAUVD41ECCD1C usenet57.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/32.230 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.belnet.be!newsfeed.wirehub.nl!howland.erols.net!Supernews73!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail David O'Bedlam wrote: >Gene Wirchenko wrote: >> This mini-manual would have a big "Read Me First!" sticker on it. >> It would be *slim* and contain the basic information about the system >> and where to find out more. One of the items might be an annotated >> table of contents of the larger manual(s) explaining what is explained >> and why you might be interested in that chapter. > >Why not include it as part one of the manual, "Getting Started" or >something, with a big banner/sticker on the cover "You Must See Our >New Getting Started Guide!" > >[re command prompt or replacement] It was the replacement that I wouldn't like. >> Maybe such a beast could be given a suitable name (such as >> Cthulhu). > >I can see it now: "Micro$oft Chthulu '04, Your Computing Solution!" For players of the roleplaying game "Call of Cthulhu": "Buy Microsoft Cthulhu '04 and get a free a SAN roll." (SAN = Sanity: Having to check if you're still sane is NOT a Good Thing.) >(Kinda like phosporic acid for your CPU, but they won't tell you that.) Sincerely, Gene Wirchenko Computerese Irregular Verb Conjugation: I have preferences. You have biases. He/She has prejudices. ###### From: James Ellingsen Subject: Re: *PROVEN* Microsoft uses alien technology Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers References: <71l91q$l9u$1@usenet49.supernews.com> <36588642.145973334@news.earthlink.net> <73kit8$t55@newsops.execpc.com> <73pn97$lji@srvr1.engin.umich.edu> <73qaq2$7g5$1@news.wlg.netlink.net.nz> User-Agent: tin/pre-1.4-980818 ("Laura") (UNIX) (FreeBSD/2.2.7-STABLE (i386)) Date: 29 Nov 1998 06:01:10 GMT Lines: 13 Message-ID: <3660e326$0$199@nntp1.ba.best.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: shell11.ba.best.com X-Trace: nntp1.ba.best.com 912319270 199 jime@206.184.139.142 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news1.best.com!news2.best.com!news3.best.com!nntp1.ba.best.com!not-for-mail >>Any Kiwis out there who can explain how this works? > I didn't think there was anything to explain. All the traffic signals > go red, all the pedestrian signals change to "CROSS", there are diagonal > lines painted by the corners to indicate that this is in fact likely to > happen, and everybody walks. We have a number of intersections here in San Francisco that operate in the same way. All of the traffic lights turn red, all of the walk lights come on and everyone crosses however they wish. Seems like a simple concept to me. ###### From: p.kerr@auckland.ac.nz (Peter Kerr) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: *PROVEN* Microsoft uses alien technology Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1998 13:01:58 +1200 Organization: University of Auckland Lines: 22 Message-ID: References: <71l91q$l9u$1@usenet49.supernews.com> <36544dde.3649676@news.vip.net> <36588642.145973334@news.earthlink.net> <73kit8$t55@newsops.execpc.com> <73pn97$lji@srvr1.engin.umich.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: p.kerr.mus.auckland.ac.nz X-Newsreader: Yet Another NewsWatcher 2.2.0b6 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-peer.gip.net!news-stock.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!news.iprolink.co.nz!auckland.ac.nz!p.kerr ftit@engin.umich.edu (Sergej Roytman) wrote: >>Hmmm... It would seem much more efficient to have the diagonals allow >>pedestrians alternately, intermeshed with the other signal cycles. > >I remember something like this being implemented in Auckland when I was >there a couple New Years ago. At first I thought that the pedestrians >were just being sloppy (as they tend to be in my own Ann Arbor), but >then I noticed the diagonal crosswalk lines. > >Any Kiwis out there who can explain how this works? > The "official" name given to it here is the "Barnes' Dance" after a gentleman named Barne(s?) who IIRC was from the Northern Hemisphere. We've had it for 20+ years now mainly in the downtown area, but some intersections have been reverted to pedestrians crossing parallel with motor traffic. -- Peter Kerr bodger School of Music chandler University of Auckland New Zealand neo-Luddite ###### From: alex*@*rockvax.rockefeller.edu (Alexandre Pechtchanski) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: *PROVEN* Microsoft uses alien technology Organization: Rockefeller University Hospital (GCRC), New York Message-ID: <366505ae.602109418@Rockyd> References: <71l91q$l9u$1@usenet49.supernews.com> <73287a$p37$2@nnrp02.primenet.com> <3654c092.33018044@news.vip.net> <73ad7i$nug$1@nntp1.u.washington.edu> <54082.380$fn2.1438@news14.ispnews.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 14 Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1998 20:53:21 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.85.24.56 X-Trace: rockyd.rockefeller.edu 912459229 129.85.24.56 (Mon, 30 Nov 1998 15:53:49 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1998 15:53:49 EDT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.belnet.be!newsgate.cistron.nl!het.net!news-feed.inet.tele.dk!bofh.vszbr.cz!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.nyu.edu!rockyd.rockefeller.edu!not-for-mail On Sat, 28 Nov 1998 23:55:45 GMT, David O'Bedlam wrote: >D. Peschel wrote: > >> I guess DEC's quality slipped by the mid-80's, if there was more than one >> thing you were supposed to read at the same time (i.e., first). :) > >But I've seen, in GNU packages: README, README.TXT, README.1ST, and >(tah-dah) README.NOW. Etc. You forgot: README.TOO [ When replying, remove *'s from address ] Alexandre Pechtchanski, Systems Manager, RUH, NY ###### Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers From: ehrice@his.com (Edward Rice) Subject: Re: *PROVEN* Microsoft uses alien technology Message-ID: Organization: NDS Date: Tue, 01 Dec 1998 00:55:08 -0500 References: <71l91q$l9u$1@usenet49.supernews.com> <36544dde.3649676@news.vip.net> <36588642.145973334@news.earthlink.net> <73kit8$t55@newsops.execpc.com> <73pn97$lji@srvr1.engin.umich.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: ehrice.his.com Lines: 24 X-Authenticated-User: ehrice Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.belnet.be!news-raspail.gip.net!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!newspeer.monmouth.com!news.lightlink.com!news4.his.com!user In article , p.kerr@auckland.ac.nz (Peter Kerr) wrote: > The "official" name given to it here is the "Barnes' Dance" after a > gentleman named Barne(s?) who IIRC was from the Northern Hemisphere. We've > had it for 20+ years now mainly in the downtown area, but some > intersections have been reverted to pedestrians crossing parallel with > motor traffic. Henry Barnes, traffic commissioner of New York City and before that Baltimore, Maryland. One of his favorite tools was the one-way street, and he set up a lot of these in Baltimore and in New York. At one time, Robert Moses (Parks Commissioner for the City of New York and one of the most powerful men in the city at that time) got into a pissing contest over arrangements for the 1964-1965 New York World's Fair access routes. Moses announced that he was going to take some specific action which Barnes couldn't tolerate. In response, Barnes announced that he was going to make ALL the streets around the World's Fair site in Flushing Meadow, New York, one way. Away. ###### From: jmfbahciv@aol.com Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: *PROVEN* Microsoft uses alien technology Date: Tue, 01 Dec 98 11:52:49 GMT Organization: UltraNet Communications, Inc. Lines: 41 Message-ID: <740mji$eub$1@strato.ultra.net> References: <71l91q$l9u$1@usenet49.supernews.com> <73287a$p37$2@nnrp02.primenet.com> <3654c092.33018044@news.vip.net> <73ad7i$nug$1@nntp1.u.washington.edu> <54082.380$fn2.1438@news14.ispnews.com> <366505ae.602109418@Rockyd> NNTP-Posting-Host: d3.dial-14.mbo.ma.ultra.net X-Complaints-To: abuse@ultra.net X-Ultra-Time: 1 Dec 1998 12:14:42 GMT X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #4 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.belnet.be!news.tvd.be!newsfeed.wirehub.nl!newspeer1.nac.net!newspeer.monmouth.com!news.ultranet.com!d3 In article <366505ae.602109418@Rockyd>, alex*@*rockvax.rockefeller.edu (Alexandre Pechtchanski) wrote: >On Sat, 28 Nov 1998 23:55:45 GMT, David O'Bedlam wrote: > >>D. Peschel wrote: >> >>> I guess DEC's quality slipped by the mid-80's, if there was more than one >>> thing you were supposed to read at the same time (i.e., first). :) >> >>But I've seen, in GNU packages: README, README.TXT, README.1ST, and >>(tah-dah) README.NOW. Etc. > >You forgot: README.TOO I don't think I ever shipped a file that had a flavor of the name README. Our file naming standards specified that the file that should be read before doing anything (including restore from tape) would have the name xxxxxx.BWR, where xxxxxx would be the program's name. So, if the program DIRECT required a beware file (and we had to do a lot of hopping through hoops for a product to have a beware file), the filename our customers would look for would be DIRECT.BWR. Multiple files for bewaring the customers was not allowed. We felt it should all go into one file. That way the customers could restore all beware files by one simple command to BACKUP with the file specification, *.BWR. Now, the reason for shipping any beware file was because of the lag time of getting the documentation printed. We had the onus of shipping the updated documentation with the software. Since the final updates, printing, and shrinking the documentation had a lag time of 3-4 months, any problems that the customer needed to be aware of before installing or using the software had to be included on the tape. I always claimed that this was a good reason to ship the documentation on the tape but I always lost that battle :-( (and I fought long and hard on that one). /BAH Subtract a hundred and four for e-mail.