Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!usenet From: Neil Franklin Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Plan 9 (was Re: Rubouts) Date: 11 Oct 1998 23:09:10 +0200 Organization: My own Private Self Lines: 20 Sender: neil@chonsp.franklin.ch Message-ID: References: <907985186@ablelink.org> <5PST1.666$525.2429621@ptah.visi.com> X-Newsreader: Gnus v5.3/Emacs 19.34 seebs@plethora.net (Peter Seebach) writes: > > Go read about Plan 9 and have a heart attack when you find out about sending > character streams to device control files to tell them to change baud rates. No ioctl()s? Something like: echo "38400,8,n,1" > /ioctrl/ttyS0 ? Now that would be cool. Is there anyone who has an URL about Plan 9. Code download? -- *** New home Addresses Mail and Web *** home: neil@franklin.ch.remove http://neil.franklin.ch/ work: franklin@arch.ethz.ch.remove http://caad.arch.ethz.ch/~franklin/ Microsoft is Software Communism, Fight for GNU Freedom! ###### From: David Wragg Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Plan 9 (was Re: Rubouts) Organization: French Toast! Lines: 6 Message-ID: References: <907985186@ablelink.org> <5PST1.666$525.2429621@ptah.visi.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.108) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Newsreader: Gnus v5.5/XEmacs 20.4 - "Emerald" Date: 12 Oct 1998 00:46:29 +0000 NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.119.176.228 X-Complaints-To: news@u-net.net X-Trace: newsr2.u-net.net 908154398 194.119.176.228 (Mon, 12 Oct 1998 02:06:38 BST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 02:06:38 BST Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.belnet.be!newsfeed.wirehub.nl!ayres.ftech.net!news.ftech.net!peer.news.zetnet.net!peer.news.bb.u-net.net!u-net!newsr2.u-net.net.POSTED!gatsby.u-net.com!not-for-mail Neil Franklin writes: > Is there anyone who has an URL about Plan 9. Code download? Try http://plan9.bell-labs.com/plan9/ Dave Wragg ###### From: Dennis Ritchie Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Plan 9 (was Re: Rubouts) Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 01:19:00 +0100 Organization: Bell Labs, Lucent Technologies Lines: 18 Message-ID: <36214AF4.147A@bell-labs.com> References: <907985186@ablelink.org> <5PST1.666$525.2429621@ptah.visi.com> Reply-To: dmr@bell-labs.com NNTP-Posting-Host: cebu.cs.bell-labs.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; U) Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp.abs.net!cyclone.i1.net!uunet!in5.uu.net!nntphub.cb.lucent.com!news Neil Franklin wrote: > > No ioctl()s? > > Something like: echo "38400,8,n,1" > /ioctrl/ttyS0 ? > > Now that would be cool. > Exactly like that, though it would be /dev/eia80ctl . No ioctl(). > Is there anyone who has an URL about Plan 9. Code download? > http://plan9.bell-labs.com/plan9 Dennis ###### From: lisard@zetnet.co.uk Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Plan 9 (was Rubouts) Date: 13 Oct 1998 20:32:22 GMT Lines: 24 Message-ID: <700dcm$950$3@irk.zetnet.co.uk> References: <36214AF4.147A@bell-labs.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: man-138.dialup.zetnet.co.uk X-Trace: irk.zetnet.co.uk 908310742 9376 194.247.40.176 (13 Oct 1998 20:32:22 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 13 Oct 1998 20:32:22 GMT X-Everything: Net-Tamer V 1.08X Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.belnet.be!news-raspail.gip.net!news-lond.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!demeter.clara.net!news.clara.net!peer.news.zetnet.net!zetnet.co.uk!not-for-mail On 1998-10-12 dmr@bell-labs.com said: :Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers :Neil Franklin wrote: :> No ioctl()s? :> Something like: echo "38400,8,n,1" > /ioctrl/ttyS0 ? :> Now that would be cool. :Exactly like that, though it would be /dev/eia80ctl . :No ioctl(). The Sinclair QL did something similar. Everything was perceived as a file; if you wanted to set up a serial port, you opened a file with a name beginning with the device and suffixed with various characters controlling various attributes of the device in question (eg. "ser1_38400_8n1", which is probably way out, but you get the drift). It strikes me that if someone could convert QDOS to run on something that wasn't a 68008 there might be real potential there... ;> -- Communa (together) we remember... we'll see you falling you know soft spoken changes nothing to sing within her... Net-Tamer V 1.08X - Test Drive ###### From: sam@greenaum.demonARSE!ARSE!ARSE!.co.uk (Sam.) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Plan 9 (was Rubouts) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 00:48:19 GMT Organization: Rossum's Universal Robots Message-ID: <3631f4a0.7823641@158.152.254.68> References: <36214AF4.147A@bell-labs.com> <700dcm$950$3@irk.zetnet.co.uk> Reply-To: sam@greenaum.demonARSE!ARSE!ARSE!.co.uk NNTP-Posting-Host: greenaum.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: greenaum.demon.co.uk:194.222.71.189 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 908326166 nnrp-04:6449 NO-IDENT greenaum.demon.co.uk:194.222.71.189 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 X-No-Archive: yes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 17 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.belnet.be!news-raspail.gip.net!news-lond.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!greenaum.demon.co.uk!not-for-mail On 13 Oct 1998 20:32:22 GMT, lisard@zetnet.co.uk sprachen: >It strikes me that if someone could convert QDOS to run on something >that wasn't a 68008 there might be real potential there... ;> The latest QLs run 68060s and come on cards. I can't remember whether it's a card for your QL or a card for the PC. Apparently you could access all the system with BASIC, which would multi-task along with everything else. It's amazing considering however much ROM and RAM it had, but that typifies British design, doing something elegant that does the job, instead of setting up 101 committees and taking megabytes to do the most basic thing. -------------------------------------------------------------------- Digital TV, that's what. 300 channels. Shite for all. Shite for every household.A democracy of shite. ###### From: "Rick Lugg" Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Plan 9 (was Rubouts) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 08:53:18 +0200 Organization: The South African Internet Exchange Lines: 32 Message-ID: <701hv7$m73$1@news2.saix.net> References: <36214AF4.147A@bell-labs.com> <700dcm$950$3@irk.zetnet.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: qit-prxy-0000.telkom.co.za X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!uunet!in2.uu.net!news2.saix.net!not-for-mail with a subject line that this, you'll probably get Dennis Ritchie commenting again! Rick Lugg lisard@zetnet.co.uk wrote in message <700dcm$950$3@irk.zetnet.co.uk>... > > >On 1998-10-12 dmr@bell-labs.com said: > :Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers > :Neil Franklin wrote: > :> No ioctl()s? > :> Something like: echo "38400,8,n,1" > /ioctrl/ttyS0 ? > :> Now that would be cool. > :Exactly like that, though it would be /dev/eia80ctl . > :No ioctl(). > >The Sinclair QL did something similar. Everything was perceived as a >file; if you wanted to set up a serial port, you opened a file with a >name beginning with the device and suffixed with various characters >controlling various attributes of the device in question (eg. >"ser1_38400_8n1", which is probably way out, but you get the drift). > >It strikes me that if someone could convert QDOS to run on something >that wasn't a 68008 there might be real potential there... ;> > >-- Communa (together) we remember... we'll see you falling >you know soft spoken changes nothing to sing within her... > >Net-Tamer V 1.08X - Test Drive ###### From: bandicoot@anospamaddress.com.au (Bandicoot) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Plan 9 (was Re: Rubouts) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 11:07:50 GMT Organization: http://www.supernews.com, The World's Usenet: Discussions Start Here Lines: 26 Message-ID: <362685a9.891025@news.supernews.com> References: <907985186@ablelink.org> <5PST1.666$525.2429621@ptah.visi.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: 908362297 LGUMBR/EM1C4ACBF usenet43.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!Supernews73!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail On 11 Oct 1998 23:09:10 +0200, Neil Franklin wrote: >seebs@plethora.net (Peter Seebach) writes: >> >> Go read about Plan 9 and have a heart attack when you find out about sending >> character streams to device control files to tell them to change baud rates. > >No ioctl()s? > >Something like: echo "38400,8,n,1" > /ioctrl/ttyS0 ? > >Now that would be cool. > > >Is there anyone who has an URL about Plan 9. Code download? The only Plan 9 I know about was the movie Plan 9 from Outer Space back in the fifties I bought the computer game and it came with the video also It had gotten in the past a 'Golden Turkey' award for being the worst movie ever made. I recently posted this game in alt.binaries.warez.pcold (ancient) Maybe the answer is somewhere in the movie?? ###### Message-ID: <36247C7E.29AAA0F8@trailing-edge.com> From: Tim Shoppa Organization: Trailing Edge Technology X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.03Gold (X11; I; OpenVMS V7.0 DEC 3000 Model 300L) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Plan 9 (was Re: Rubouts) References: <907985186@ablelink.org> <5PST1.666$525.2429621@ptah.visi.com> <362685a9.891025@news.supernews.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 25 Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 10:27:10 -0400 NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.232.144.27 X-Trace: audrey2.cais.com 908375710 198.232.144.27 (Wed, 14 Oct 1998 10:35:10 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 10:35:10 EDT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!feed1.news.luth.se!luth.se!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-backup-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!205.177.10.1!in1.nntp.cais.net!199.0.216.204.MISMATCH!audrey2.cais.com!not-for-mail Bandicoot wrote: > The only Plan 9 I know about was the movie Plan 9 from Outer Space > back in the fifties > > I bought the computer game and it came with the video also > It had gotten in the past a 'Golden Turkey' award for being the > worst movie ever made. No, no, that was _Robot Monster_. MST3K once did _Robot Monster_ but the effort was entirely superfluous. Why? Just look at the plot of the movie: Technically advanced aliens invade earth. Technically advanced aliens are guys dressed in monkey suits, wearing space helmets over the heads. The conquering alien lives in a cave on earth. Technically advanced aliens destroy all of earth's human population except for one family. Last remaining human family lives in a cave right next to the conquering alien's cave. Now, if AT&T/Bell Labs/Lucent or whatever they are developed an operating system called _Robot Monster_, I'd buy it immediately! Tim. ###### From: lisard@zetnet.co.uk Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Plan 9 (was Rubouts) Date: 14 Oct 1998 23:59:19 GMT Message-ID: <703dsn$dhp$5@irk.zetnet.co.uk> References: <3631f4a0.7823641@158.152.254.68> NNTP-Posting-Host: man-169.dialup.zetnet.co.uk X-Trace: irk.zetnet.co.uk 908409559 13881 194.247.40.215 (14 Oct 1998 23:59:19 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 14 Oct 1998 23:59:19 GMT X-Everything: Net-Tamer V 1.08X Lines: 32 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.belnet.be!news-raspail.gip.net!news-lond.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!ayres.ftech.net!news.ftech.net!peer.news.zetnet.net!zetnet.co.uk!not-for-mail On 1998-10-14 sam@greenaum.demonARSE!ARSE!ARSE!.co.uk said: :Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers :On 13 Oct 1998 20:32:22 GMT, lisard@zetnet.co.uk sprachen: :>It strikes me that if someone could convert QDOS to run on :>something that wasn't a 68008 there might be real potential there.. :. ;> :The latest QLs run 68060s and come on cards. I can't remember :whether it's a card for your QL or a card for the PC. Apparently That'll be Miracle Systems, then - URL, anyone? But I don't particularly want to put a QL in my PC; I have a QL, if I want to play with one. I was thinking more of just a straight port of QDOS. :you could access all the system with BASIC, which would multi-task :along with everything else. It's amazing considering however much :ROM and RAM it had, but that typifies British design, doing :something elegant that does the job, instead of setting up 101 :committees and taking megabytes to do the most basic thing. Well, some bits seemed less elegant (I have the AH ROM version, which had the piggy-backed 16k EPROM, and who can bear to remember Microdrives...?) but QDOS was a brilliant little piece of software. 18k in total, I believe. But if it was all accessible from BASIC, I didn't ever find out how; certainly, you couldn't multitask BASIC programs. Now what would have been nice is either FORTH on QDOS, a la the Jupiter ACE, or a complete development environment complete with a ROM-based assembler and full-screen editor, not to mention windowing... *sigh* we can all dream. :>