Path: ccw.ch!usenet From: Neil Franklin Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: PDP-10 Instruction set (was Flexowriter) Date: 13 Sep 1998 21:04:06 +0200 Organization: My own Private Self Lines: 21 Message-ID: References: <6spsub$c6f@netaxs.com> <01bdd8a2$9e257b40$f669400c@machshev> <35F75B31.1B09B2FF@concentric.net> <35F99B82.40188195@plano.net> X-Newsreader: Gnus v5.3/Emacs 19.34 alderson@netcom.netcom.com (Richard M. Alderson III) writes: > > The PDP-10 machine language instruction breaks down into five > fields of bits: a nine bit opcode field, a four bit accumulator (AC) field, > a one bit indirect field, a four bit index register field, and an 18 bit > memory address field. The instruction set is documented very clearly in > the "DecSystem-10 System Reference Manual" (DEC-10-HGAC-D, and the later > versions), which is published by the manufacturer, Digital Equiptment Corp. > ("DecSystem-10" is a pretentious salesman's name for the PDP-10). You don't per chance know an URL where the PDP-10 Instruction set is documented, so that it can be studied by an a.f.c-er. The same question also applies to the 1,6,8,11 and anything else historical. -- home: neil@arch.ethz.ch.remove http://caad.arch.ethz.ch/~neil/ work: franklin@arch.ethz.ch.remove http://caad.arch.ethz.ch/~franklin/ Microsoft is Software Communism, Fight for GNU Freedom! ###### From: hshubs@mindspring.com (Howard S Shubs) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: PDP-10 Instruction set (was Flexowriter) Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1998 20:58:48 -0500 Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Lines: 11 Message-ID: References: <6spsub$c6f@netaxs.com> <01bdd8a2$9e257b40$f669400c@machshev> <35F75B31.1B09B2FF@concentric.net> <35F99B82.40188195@plano.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: user-38lcgrq.dialup.mindspring.com X-Server-Date: 14 Sep 1998 01:57:30 GMT X-Newsreader: MT-NewsWatcher 2.4.4 X-Face: "S"r{U%bs].&Ud}Pc~~~0a]M:t5l>>EN\1Faw10M9NK1Xq59wo7-"s0S+[{etQorO /Nf-Ci"i9v'MT!R8)J]N[4|2&x1r^Iq&{SB"6dknr0=+6UFb.>+{zMn_1=rw&/V+"d@* ZS5\LoW_ Path: ccw.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.belnet.be!news-raspail.gip.net!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!firehose.mindspring.com!hshubs In article , Neil Franklin wrote: >You don't per chance know an URL where the PDP-10 Instruction set is >documented, so that it can be studied by an a.f.c-er. Would a web site for computer architectures/instruction sets be useful? I've got what could be a beginning for one, starting with the IBM 1130. I'd need formats and lists of codes to add more machines. -- Howard S Shubs The Denim Adept ###### Message-ID: <35FC7935.37565343@Home.Com> From: David Ness X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5b1 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: PDP-10 Instruction set (was Flexowriter) References: <6spsub$c6f@netaxs.com> <01bdd8a2$9e257b40$f669400c@machshev> <35F75B31.1B09B2FF@concentric.net> <35F99B82.40188195@plano.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 12 Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 02:02:28 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.3.108.59 NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1998 19:02:28 PDT Organization: @Home Network Path: ccw.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!newshub1.home.com!news.home.com!news.rdc1.pa.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail I don't know if this helps, but there is some interesting DEC-10 stuff at: http://www.inwap.com/pdp10/opcodes.html Neil Franklin wrote: > > > > You don't per chance know an URL where the PDP-10 Instruction set is > documented, so that it can be studied by an a.f.c-er. > ###### From: jmfbahciv@aol.com Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: PDP-10 Instruction set (was Flexowriter) Date: Mon, 14 Sep 98 11:55:52 GMT Organization: UltraNet Communications, Inc. Lines: 31 Message-ID: <6tj4ae$hsq$1@strato.ultra.net> References: <6spsub$c6f@netaxs.com> <01bdd8a2$9e257b40$f669400c@machshev> <35F75B31.1B09B2FF@concentric.net> <35F99B82.40188195@plano.net> <35FC7935.37565343@Home.Com> NNTP-Posting-Host: d13.dial-14.mbo.ma.ultra.net X-Complaints-To: abuse@ultra.net X-Ultra-Time: 14 Sep 1998 13:05:18 GMT X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #4 Path: ccw.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.belnet.be!news-raspail.gip.net!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!newspeer.monmouth.com!news.ultranet.com!d13 In article <35FC7935.37565343@Home.Com>, David Ness wrote: >I don't know if this helps, but there is some interesting >DEC-10 stuff at: >http://www.inwap.com/pdp10/opcodes.html > > >Neil Franklin wrote: >> >> >> >> You don't per chance know an URL where the PDP-10 Instruction set is >> documented, so that it can be studied by an a.f.c-er. >> What he really wants is all the different flavors of our System Reference Manuals. The KL10 Maintenance Guide would also prove useful (although one needs to know field service lingo to translate it into stuff programmers would understand). I don't know if our System Reference Manual is in bits. The last time I saw the bits, it was on a PDP-12 DECtape in a typeset format that did its printing on (I think) a strange type of flexowriter. Since the basic hardware architecture didn't change very much from processor to processor, the documentors tended to just cut/paste pages for updates in the the Notebook Set. /BAH Sigh! - Subtract a hundred and four for e-mail. ###### From: jones@cs.uiowa.edu (Douglas W. Jones,201H MLH,3193350740,3193382879) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: PDP-10 Instruction set (was Flexowriter) Date: 14 Sep 1998 14:25:13 GMT Organization: The University of Iowa Lines: 23 Message-ID: <6tj909$bqi$1@flood.weeg.uiowa.edu> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: pyrite.cs.uiowa.edu Path: ccw.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.belnet.be!news-raspail.gip.net!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!newshub.northeast.verio.net!newspeer.monmouth.com!feeder1.wwnet.net!streamer1.cleveland.iagnet.net!NewsNG.Chicago.Qual.Net!news.uiowa.edu!not-for-mail From article , by Neil Franklin : > > The same question also applies to the 1,6,8,11 and anything else > historical. For the PDP-8 instruction set, see http://www.cs.uiowa.edu/~jones/pdp8/man/ This is a modern reference manual, derived from some in-depth reading of a number of old DEC manuals, and in some cases, derived from reading schematics of the machines. For the PDP-11 instruction set, see http://www.village.org/pdp11/faq.html This is the PDP-11 FAQ file, and it contains a good concise summary of the PDP-11 instruction set. Doug Jones jones@cs.uiowa.edu ###### Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers From: alderson@netcom.netcom.com (Richard M. Alderson III) Subject: Re: PDP-10 Instruction set (was Flexowriter) In-Reply-To: Neil Franklin's message of 13 Sep 1998 21:04:06 +0200 Message-ID: Sender: alderson@netcom.netcom.com Reply-To: alderson@netcom.com Organization: NETCOM On-line services References: <6spsub$c6f@netaxs.com> <01bdd8a2$9e257b40$f669400c@machshev> <35F75B31.1B09B2FF@concentric.net> <35F99B82.40188195@plano.net> Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 22:05:28 GMT Lines: 16 Path: ccw.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.enteract.com!ix.netcom.com!netcom!alderson In article Neil Franklin writes: >You don't per chance know an URL where the PDP-10 Instruction set is >documented, so that it can be studied by an a.f.c-er. >The same question also applies to the 1,6,8,11 and anything else historical. I don't know of one, but I could certainly look into scanning a reference card, and TeXing the relevant pages of the hardware reference manual, and putting the results (.GIF and .PDF, respectively) on our web page. Lemme think about it for a couple of days... -- Rich Alderson Last LOTS Tops-20 Systems Programmer, 1984-1991 Current maintainer, MIT TECO EMACS (v. 170) last name @ XKL dot COM Chief systems administrator, XKL LLC, 1998-now ###### From: jmfbahciv@aol.com Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: PDP-10 Instruction set (was Flexowriter) Date: Tue, 15 Sep 98 13:14:34 GMT Organization: UltraNet Communications, Inc. Lines: 35 Message-ID: <6tltaa$quv$1@strato.ultra.net> References: <6spsub$c6f@netaxs.com> <01bdd8a2$9e257b40$f669400c@machshev> <35F75B31.1B09B2FF@concentric.net> <35F99B82.40188195@plano.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: d4.dial-14.mbo.ma.ultra.net X-Complaints-To: abuse@ultra.net X-Ultra-Time: 15 Sep 1998 14:24:10 GMT X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #4 Path: ccw.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.belnet.be!news-raspail.gip.net!news-lond.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!btnet-peer!btnet!newshub.northeast.verio.net!newspeer.monmouth.com!news.ultranet.com!d4 In article , alderson@netcom.netcom.com (Richard M. Alderson III) wrote: >In article Neil Franklin > writes: > >>You don't per chance know an URL where the PDP-10 Instruction set is >>documented, so that it can be studied by an a.f.c-er. > >>The same question also applies to the 1,6,8,11 and anything else historical. > >I don't know of one, but I could certainly look into scanning a reference card, >and TeXing the relevant pages of the hardware reference manual, and putting the >results (.GIF and .PDF, respectively) on our web page. Lemme think about it >for a couple of days... While you're thinking, spend a sec or two thinking about the hardware interfaces. The reason the PDP-10 systems were so damn good was because we provided the illusion that the whole system was a PC to hundreds of users who were on-line at the same time. That required a really sensible approach to the vagaries of hardware and the users using them. Do you have a copy of the KL10 Maintenance Guide that FS used to use? This damn system that I'm using apparently doesn't know what an on-line interrupt is. /BAH Sigh! - Subtract a hundred and four for e-mail. ###### Path: ccw.ch!usenet From: Neil Franklin Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: PDP-10 Instruction set (was Flexowriter) Date: 16 Sep 1998 01:25:21 +0200 Organization: My own Private Self Lines: 22 Message-ID: References: <6spsub$c6f@netaxs.com> <01bdd8a2$9e257b40$f669400c@machshev> <35F75B31.1B09B2FF@concentric.net> <35F99B82.40188195@plano.net> X-Newsreader: Gnus v5.3/Emacs 19.34 alderson@netcom.netcom.com (Richard M. Alderson III) writes: > > writes: > > >You don't per chance know an URL where the PDP-10 Instruction set is > >documented, so that it can be studied by an a.f.c-er. > > I don't know of one, but I could certainly look into scanning a reference card , > and TeXing the relevant pages of the hardware reference manual, and putting th e > results (.GIF and .PDF, respectively) on our web page. Lemme think about it > for a couple of days... Nice idea. But please make it GIF and HTML (or both HTML and PDF). Many people do not have PDF viewers on their systems. And have no desire to download the megabytes needed. -- home: neil@arch.ethz.ch.remove http://caad.arch.ethz.ch/~neil/ work: franklin@arch.ethz.ch.remove http://caad.arch.ethz.ch/~franklin/ Microsoft is Software Communism, Fight for GNU Freedom! ###### Sender: eric@ruckus.brouhaha.com Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: PDP-10 Instruction set (was Flexowriter) References: <6spsub$c6f@netaxs.com> <01bdd8a2$9e257b40$f669400c@machshev> <35F75B31.1B09B2FF@concentric.net> <35F99B82.40188195@plano.net> From: Eric Smith Date: 16 Sep 1998 17:42:11 -0700 Message-ID: Organization: Brouhaha Computer Mercenary Services Lines: 7 X-Newsreader: Gnus v5.5/Emacs 20.2 NNTP-Posting-Host: ruckus.brouhaha.com X-Trace: 16 Sep 1998 16:44:49 -0800, ruckus.brouhaha.com Path: ccw.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newscore.univie.ac.at!news-raspail.gip.net!news-lond.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!btnet-peer!btnet!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.idt.net!enews.sgi.com!news.sgi.com!news.spies.com!ruckus.brouhaha.com Neil Franklin writes: > You don't per chance know an URL where the PDP-10 Instruction set is > documented, so that it can be studied by an a.f.c-er. If you don't mind downloading a 38 megabyte PDF file, you can find it on: http://www.36bit.org/ ###### Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers From: alderson@netcom11.netcom.com (Richard M. Alderson III) Subject: Re: PDP-10 Instruction set (was Flexowriter) In-Reply-To: Neil Franklin's message of 16 Sep 1998 01:25:21 +0200 Message-ID: Sender: alderson@netcom11.netcom.com Reply-To: alderson@netcom.com Organization: NETCOM On-line services References: <6spsub$c6f@netaxs.com> <01bdd8a2$9e257b40$f669400c@machshev> <35F75B31.1B09B2FF@concentric.net> <35F99B82.40188195@plano.net> Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 21:14:25 GMT Lines: 19 Path: ccw.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.belnet.be!news-raspail.gip.net!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!ix.netcom.com!netcom11!alderson In article Neil Franklin writes: >Nice idea. But please make it GIF and HTML (or both HTML and PDF). >Many people do not have PDF viewers on their systems. And have no desire to >download the megabytes needed. Unfortunately, I have no way to generate HTML from the Postscript(TM) TeX output to which I have access for this purpose. None of the Tex-to-HTML processors we have ever tried has worked worth a damn, and I'm not going to put a lot of effort into this. (Sorry for taking so long to respond. I've been laid up after surgery on both knees.) -- Rich Alderson Last LOTS Tops-20 Systems Programmer, 1984-1991 Current maintainer, MIT TECO EMACS (v. 170) last name @ XKL dot COM Chief systems administrator, XKL LLC, 1998-now ###### From: "Mike Hore" Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers References: <6spsub$c6f@netaxs.com> <01bdd8a2$9e257b40$f669400c@machshev><35F75B31.1B09B2FF@concentric.net> <35F99B82.40188195@plano.net> Subject: Re: PDP-10 Instruction set (was Flexowriter) Lines: 41 Organization: JAM Software X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 14:32:19 +1000 NNTP-Posting-Host: 203.35.98.169 X-Complaints-To: abuse@telstra.net X-Trace: nsw.nnrp.telstra.net 906438624 203.35.98.169 (Tue, 22 Sep 1998 14:30:24 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 14:30:24 EST Path: ccw.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!intgwpad.nntp.telstra.net!nsw.nnrp.telstra.net!not-for-mail Richard M. Alderson III wrote in message ... >In article Neil Franklin > writes: > >>Nice idea. But please make it GIF and HTML (or both HTML and PDF). > >>Many people do not have PDF viewers on their systems. And have no desire to >>download the megabytes needed. > >Unfortunately, I have no way to generate HTML from the Postscript(TM) TeX >output to which I have access for this purpose. None of the Tex-to-HTML >processors we have ever tried has worked worth a damn, and I'm not going to >put a lot of effort into this. I would have thought everybody could handle PDF files -- Acrobat Reader is free from the Adobe site for Mac and Windows. Surely everybody has access to one of those? I found I could download and print with no problems, though the download took 5 hours and I had to wait until late afternoon here here in Australia (when it was getting towards the small hours in the US). It might have been better if it could have been segmented into several files to make downloading less of a hassle, but I don't know if this was doable. Anyway, thanks for a great contribution!! >(Sorry for taking so long to respond. I've been laid up after surgery on >both knees.) Hope you're able to get up and about soon :-) Cheers, Mike. ###### From: jcmorris@mwunix.mitre.org (Joe Morris) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: PDP-10 Instruction set (was Flexowriter) Date: 22 Sep 1998 13:10:27 GMT Organization: The MITRE Corporation Lines: 18 Message-ID: <6u87k3$pik@top.mitre.org> References: <6spsub$c6f@netaxs.com> <01bdd8a2$9e257b40$f669400c@machshev><35F75B31.1B09B2FF@concentric.net> <35F99B82.40188195@plano.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: mwunix.mitre.org Path: ccw.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.belnet.be!news-raspail.gip.net!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!204.238.120.130!news-feeds.jump.net!world!blanket.mitre.org!news.mitre.org!mwunix!jcmorris "Mike Hore" writes: >I would have thought everybody could handle PDF files -- Acrobat Reader >is free from the Adobe site for Mac and Windows. Surely everybody >has access to one of those? [responses from other posters comment on the size of the download] As an alternative to downloading the reader program, you can often find it on CD-ROM disks shipped by software vendors who are distributing PDF files with their product. If you find such a disk make sure that the Reader program is at least version 3 (the current version is 3.01); for some reason several vendors are still putting version 2 on their disks. Not surprisingly, just about every disk from Adobe includes the Reader program. Joe Morris ###### From: "Samael" Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: PDP-10 Instruction set (was Flexowriter) Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 15:32:08 +0100 Lines: 19 Message-ID: <3607b4e9.0@122.122.122.1> References: <6spsub$c6f@netaxs.com> <01bdd8a2$9e257b40$f669400c@machshev><35F75B31.1B09B2FF@concentric.net> <35F99B82.40188195@plano.net> <6u87k3$pik@top.mitre.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.147.9.68 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Path: ccw.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!news.itg.net.uk!122.122.122.1!122.122.122.1 Joe Morris wrote in message <6u87k3$pik@top.mitre.org>... >"Mike Hore" writes: > >>I would have thought everybody could handle PDF files -- Acrobat Reader >>is free from the Adobe site for Mac and Windows. Surely everybody >>has access to one of those? > >[responses from other posters comment on the size of the download] The PDF files themsevles are frequently very big for the amount of information stored in them. Every manual I've used in PDF form has been large and unwieldy (and appears in a page by page format which I don't like). Samael ###### Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers From: alderson@netcom.netcom.com (Richard M. Alderson III) Subject: Re: PDP-10 Instruction set (was Flexowriter) In-Reply-To: "Samael"'s message of Tue, 22 Sep 1998 15:32:08 +0100 Message-ID: Sender: alderson@netcom.netcom.com Reply-To: alderson@netcom.com Organization: NETCOM On-line services References: <6spsub$c6f@netaxs.com> <01bdd8a2$9e257b40$f669400c@machshev><35F75B31.1B09B2FF@concentric.net> <35F99B82.40188195@plano.net> <6u87k3$pik@top.mitre.org> <3607b4e9.0@122.122.122.1> Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 17:13:24 GMT Lines: 27 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.belnet.be!newspump.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!199.0.154.57!newsbottom.ais.net!ix.netcom.com!netcom!alderson In article <3607b4e9.0@122.122.122.1> "Samael" writes: >The PDF files themsevles are frequently very big for the amount of information >stored in them. Every manual I've used in PDF form has been large and >unwieldy (and appears in a page by page format which I don't like). That's the fault of the people creating the PDF files, not the format itself. Very often, text goes in as bitmaps rather than having fonts included, often due to licensing restrictions on the fonts themselves. However, if fonts with no such restrictions are used, and the appropriate parameters are turned on, the fonts (30K or so for a typographically reasonable document) are included into the document, and the file is a lot smaller. I use the freely available and licensed-explicitly-for-PDF-inclusion Computer Modern fonts originally created for commercial sale by Blue Sky Research, for just this reason. As for the page-by-page format: I suppose one could set up a document as a single long page, but we talking about legacy stuff here, originally intended for hardcopy, and as I said, I'm not going to put a lot of effort into the project. I'll announce when I've put this stuff up, most likely this coming weekend. -- Rich Alderson Last LOTS Tops-20 Systems Programmer, 1984-1991 Current maintainer, MIT TECO EMACS (v. 170) last name @ XKL dot COM Chief systems administrator, XKL LLC, 1998-now