From: lud@korax.net (Davide Lodovichi) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Monitor help Organization: Korax Online Reply-To: lud@korax.net Message-ID: <35f09038.254515@news.korax.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/32.230 Lines: 8 Date: Sat, 05 Sep 1998 01:11:23 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.82.39.57 NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 04 Sep 1998 19:11:23 MDT Path: ccw.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cyclone.news.idirect.com!island.idirect.com!news3.sprint-canada.net!news1.tor.metronet.ca!nnrp1.tor.metronet.ca!not-for-mail Going to be purchasing a new computer system within the next few weeks. Could anyone recommend a excellent 17" monitor? Would do you think about Viewsonic P775 or PT771, Sony ES or GS series, or NEC monitors? thanks in advance, Davide ###### From: TonyLima@ms.spacebbs.com (Tony Lima) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Monitor help Date: Tue, 08 Sep 1998 02:58:18 GMT Organization: Nope, none Lines: 15 Message-ID: <35f363c0.5775034@news.spacebbs.com> References: <35f09038.254515@news.korax.net> Reply-To: TonyLima@ms.spacebbs.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.204.228.52 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: 905224632 ON.7SG/MSE434CFCCC usenet58.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/16.451 Path: ccw.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!Supernews73!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail On Sat, 05 Sep 1998 01:11:23 GMT, lud@korax.net (Davide Lodovichi) wrote: >Going to be purchasing a new computer system within the next few >weeks. Could anyone recommend a excellent 17" monitor? >Would do you think about Viewsonic P775 or PT771, Sony ES or GS >series, or NEC monitors? > >thanks in advance, Well, I've had my Sony 200ES for a couple of weeks now and love it. Get a good video board with a bunch of memory (mine has 8 megs). Sony seems to have solve the old problem of a horizontal line appearing across the screen. No evidence of a line here. HTH. - Tony ###### From: cs1cl@stoat.shef.ac.uk (C Lamb) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Monitor help Date: 8 Sep 1998 19:00:46 GMT Organization: Sheffield University, UK Message-ID: <6t3usu$cb5$1@bignews.shef.ac.uk> References: <35f09038.254515@news.korax.net> Reply-To: cs1cl@stoat.shef.ac.uk NNTP-Posting-Host: stoat.shef.ac.uk X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Lines: 20 Path: ccw.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newsfeed.uk.ibm.net!ibm.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news-lond.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!server6.netnews.ja.net!news.shef.ac.uk!stoat!cs1cl Davide Lodovichi (lud@korax.net) wrote: : Going to be purchasing a new computer system within the next few : weeks. Could anyone recommend a excellent 17" monitor? : Would do you think about Viewsonic P775 or PT771, Sony ES or GS : series, or NEC monitors? On a related point, does anyone here get totally teed off with the manufacturers desire to make 17" monitors with 15.3" viewable? We have 2 17" monitors here and the difference between them and the 15" monitors is so small. I'm looking at one now and I feel like I am looking at mostly plastic trim. Which manufacturers produce a monitor with more than 15.3" for a 17"? Chris L : thanks in advance, : Davide ###### From: Chuck McManis Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Monitor help Date: Wed, 09 Sep 1998 14:06:11 -0700 Lines: 25 Message-ID: <35F6EDC3.89221F49@freegate.com> References: <35f09038.254515@news.korax.net> <6t3usu$cb5$1@bignews.shef.ac.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.226.86.180 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) Path: ccw.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!chippy.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!uunet!uunet!in2.uu.net!not-for-mail C Lamb wrote: > > On a related point, does anyone here get totally teed off with the > manufacturers desire to make 17" monitors with 15.3" viewable? > ... I'm looking at one now and I feel like I am looking at > mostly plastic trim. This is the way it goes: "Gee, I bet if we put this cheap old tube in a big case, we could convince some sucker that it was a good deal." "Yeah, and we'll make double the profit." "Cool." You see this marketing "trick" has been around for ages (and is still rampant in the audio speaker business). The "problem" is that people want a 17" monitor but haven't figured out that they really do cost more than 15" monitors and so off they go looking for a "deal." Which is another way of saying, "I'm half way to sucker-dom, take me through the other half." Do the research, get a good VALUE not a good DEAL. TANSTAAFL, --Chuck ###### From: tph@longhorn.uucp (Tom Harrington) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Monitor help Date: 9 Sep 1998 17:42:50 GMT Organization: Mechanist Industries Lines: 30 Message-ID: <6t6emq$oq04@eccws1.dearborn.ford.com> References: <35f09038.254515@news.korax.net> <6t3usu$cb5$1@bignews.shef.ac.uk> Reply-To: tph@rmi.net NNTP-Posting-Host: cs0053.eld.ford.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Path: ccw.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.belnet.be!news-raspail.gip.net!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!newsxfer3.itd.umich.edu!jobone!dailyplanet.srl.ford.com!eccws1.dearborn.ford.com!longhorn!tph C Lamb (cs1cl@stoat.shef.ac.uk) wrote: : Davide Lodovichi (lud@korax.net) wrote: : : Going to be purchasing a new computer system within the next few : : weeks. Could anyone recommend a excellent 17" monitor? : : Would do you think about Viewsonic P775 or PT771, Sony ES or GS : : series, or NEC monitors? I've got a ViewSonic GA771, which has been quite good. I'd guess that their other 17" monitors use the same picture tube. The main distinguishing characteristic of the GA771 is that it has built-in speakers. : : On a related point, does anyone here get totally teed off with the : manufacturers desire to make 17" monitors with 15.3" viewable? We have : 2 17" monitors here and the difference between them and the 15" monitors : is so small. I'm looking at one now and I feel like I am looking at : mostly plastic trim. : Which manufacturers produce a monitor with more than 15.3" for a 17"? More than 15.3"? Almost all of them seem to claim 15.8" to 16" or so. Sony and ViewSonic come to mind. I don't know how many actually meet those claims, though. It _is_ annoying, though; what do I care how big the tube is? I want to know how big the _picture_ is; unused portions of the tube are unimportant. -- Tom Harrington --------- tph@rmii.com -------- http://rainbow.rmii.com/~tph Passionate hatred can give meaning and purpose to an empty life. -- Eric Hoffer Cookie's Revenge: ftp://ftp.rmi.net/pub2/tph/cookie/cookies-revenge.sit.hqx ###### From: joet@jtcs.net (joet) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Monitor help Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1998 20:43:14 -0400 Organization: jtcs Lines: 19 Message-ID: References: <35f09038.254515@news.korax.net> <6t3usu$cb5$1@bignews.shef.ac.uk> <35F6EDC3.89221F49@freegate.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p-029.newsdawg.com X-Newsreader: Anawave Gravity v2.00 Path: ccw.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!ubnnews.unisource.ch!News.Amsterdam.UnisourceCS!newshunter.cosy.sbg.ac.at!newspump.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeed.wli.net!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!pln-w!spln!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!enews2 In article <35F6EDC3.89221F49@freegate.com>, cmcmanis@freegate.com says... > You see this marketing "trick" has been around for ages (and is still > rampant in the audio speaker business). The "problem" is that people > want a 17" monitor but haven't figured out that they really do cost more > than 15" monitors and so off they go looking for a "deal." Which is > another way of saying, "I'm half way to sucker-dom, take me through the > other half." Do the research, get a good VALUE not a good DEAL. Yeah, but I just measured a 14" and the tube was about 12.75". So my cheap 15.3" 17" monitor, while not accurately described, is still bigger and wasn't much more expensive than my smaller, older one. Maybe it would be helpful to think of Monitorland as just being a place where the units of measurement are different than in the real world but still self-consistent in that time/space. -joet ###### Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers From: "Ralph Wade Phillips" Subject: Re: Monitor help X-Nntp-Posting-Host: zs150050.shrv.bna.boeing.com Message-ID: X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Lines: 31 Sender: nntp@news.boeing.com (Boeing NNTP News Access) Organization: The Boeing Company X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 References: <35f09038.254515@news.korax.net> <6t3usu$cb5$1@bignews.shef.ac.uk> <6t6emq$oq04@eccws1.dearborn.ford.com> Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 13:57:05 GMT Path: ccw.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newscore.univie.ac.at!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!192.220.250.21!netnews1.nw.verio.net!netnews.nwnet.net!xyzzy!not-for-mail Hi, Tom! Tom Harrington wrote in message <6t6emq$oq04@eccws1.dearborn.ford.com>... (non-germane stuff pruned like a bad shade tree ... ) >More than 15.3"? Almost all of them seem to claim 15.8" to 16" or so. >Sony and ViewSonic come to mind. I don't know how many actually meet >those claims, though. It _is_ annoying, though; what do I care how big >the tube is? I want to know how big the _picture_ is; unused portions >of the tube are unimportant. Ah, but that's your federal government at work. See, back in the "good middle days" of the middle 80's, you could claim anything from the diagonal of your actual picture to the outer edges of the mounting ears. This yielded such idiocies as the original Apple 13" Color Monitor having the same tube as a Seiko 15" ... sigh. Then, the gum'ent came in and forced the "standard" measure to be to the INSIDE of the mounting ears (Canadian standard is to the CENTER of the holes in the mounting ears - hence a US 27" TV becomes a Canadian 28" without any changes). (Or is it center/outside? Never can remember offhand .. ) In any case, most manufacturers will give a "Usable Area" number for monitors. CTX makes a 17" that claims a 16" usable diagonal, but I haven't seen it yet. RwP ###### From: cs1cl@stoat.shef.ac.uk (C Lamb) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Monitor help Date: 10 Sep 1998 17:06:57 GMT Organization: Sheffield University, UK Lines: 12 Message-ID: <6t90vh$3j5$1@bignews.shef.ac.uk> References: <35f09038.254515@news.korax.net> <6t3usu$cb5$1@bignews.shef.ac.uk> <35F6EDC3.89221F49@freegate.com> Reply-To: cs1cl@stoat.shef.ac.uk NNTP-Posting-Host: stoat.shef.ac.uk X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Path: ccw.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newscore.univie.ac.at!btnet-peer!btnet!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!server5.netnews.ja.net!news.shef.ac.uk!stoat!cs1cl joet (joet@jtcs.net) wrote: : Maybe it would be helpful to think of Monitorland as just being a place : where the units of measurement are different than in the real world but : still self-consistent in that time/space. ObMathNerd: does anyone know the Jacobian to perform the transform? Chris : -joet ###### Path: ccw.ch!usenet From: Neil Franklin Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Monitor help Date: 10 Sep 1998 21:21:45 +0200 Organization: My own Private Self Lines: 32 Message-ID: References: <35f09038.254515@news.korax.net> <6t3usu$cb5$1@bignews.shef.ac.uk> <35F6EDC3.89221F49@freegate.com> X-Newsreader: Gnus v5.3/Emacs 19.34 joet@jtcs.net (joet) writes: > > In article <35F6EDC3.89221F49@freegate.com>, cmcmanis@freegate.com > says... > > > You see this marketing "trick" has been around for ages (and is still > > rampant in the audio speaker business). The "problem" is that people > > want a 17" monitor but haven't figured out that they really do cost more > > Yeah, but I just measured a 14" and the tube was about 12.75". So my > cheap 15.3" 17" monitor, while not accurately described, is still bigger > and wasn't much more expensive than my smaller, older one. > > Maybe it would be helpful to think of Monitorland as just being a place > where the units of measurement are different than in the real world but > still self-consistent in that time/space. Actually they use the same inces as the rest of us. The trick is simple: the size you see quoted is the diagonal size of the _entire_ CRT tube, not the visual area. Simply subtract 1 to 1.5 inches for any size number to get the visual area. BTW: TVs are sized in exactly the same way, this is an ancient "display the largest number that can be found" behaviour. Like the Mega = 1000000 Disk drives thing. Neil "pissed off by decieving salescritters" Franklin -- home: neil@arch.ethz.ch.remove http://caad.arch.ethz.ch/~neil/ work: franklin@arch.ethz.ch.remove http://caad.arch.ethz.ch/~franklin/ Microsoft is Software Communism, Fight for GNU Freedom! ###### From: lud@korax.net (Davide Lodovichi) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Monitor help Organization: Korax Online Reply-To: lud@korax.net Message-ID: <35f8335a.3547413@news.korax.net> References: <35f09038.254515@news.korax.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/32.230 Lines: 19 Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 20:08:28 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.82.39.67 NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 14:08:28 MDT Path: ccw.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cyclone.news.idirect.com!island.idirect.com!news3.sprint-canada.net!news1.tor.metronet.ca!nnrp1.tor.metronet.ca!not-for-mail On Sat, 05 Sep 1998 01:11:23 GMT, lud@korax.net (Davide Lodovichi) wrote: >Going to be purchasing a new computer system within the next few >weeks. Could anyone recommend a excellent 17" monitor? >Would do you think about Viewsonic P775 or PT771, Sony ES or GS >series, or NEC monitors? > >thanks in advance, > >Davide I made the decision to spend a bit more cash and buy a 19" monitor. I decided to purchase the Nokia 446XPro instead. What do you think? I saw the PS790 19" by View Sonic and wasn't really impressed. Thanks for the help, Davide