Path: ccw.ch!elna.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.belnet.be!newspump.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsgate.duke.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!unc-cs!capefear.cs.unc.edu!tulpule From: "Narendra C. Tulpule" Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers,alt.folklore.internet Subject: Floating on the Net: MS Hotmail uses Solaris Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 14:04:07 -0400 Organization: The University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill Lines: 56 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: capefear.cs.unc.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Is this true? > > >Solaris calls Hotmail shots for Microsoft > > > > > >Microsoft has decided to get the hots for Sun and is using Solaris > to > > >run its acclaimed Hotmail web-based e-mail service instead of NT. > > > > > >The software giant has attempted to exchange the Sun/Solaris > > >infrastructure of Hotmail with NT since buying it in December 1997. > > >However, the demands of supporting 10 million users reportedly > proved > > >too great for NT, and Solaris was reinstated. > > > > > >In a leaked report, sources close to Hotmail said: "... its whole > mail > > >server infrastructure is Solaris. NT couldn't handle it. On the web > > >server, they're running MP Pentiums and Apache on FreeBSD. They're > > >moving to Solaris for threads. The engineering team did its best to > run > > >NT - and failed. The issue's being escalated." > > > > > >Hotmail is running Apache's /1.2.1 web server which is not > available > > >for NT due to technical difficulties. A statement on Apache's > website > > >states: "The road to Windows NT has not been a pretty one. Several > > >attempts have been made, both by Apache Group members and outside > > >folks, but due to a lack of stability and a clear consensus on how > to > > >manage a true cross-platform development project, NT is not yet a > > >standard platform supported by Apache." > > > > > >Microsoft is currently recruiting engineers for Hotmail, but NT > > >specialists need not apply. Hotmail's website lists vacancies for > an > > >operations software engineer and a QA engineer - and the common > > >requirement is for Unix experience. > > > > > >Judy Gibbons, director of the Microsoft Network, was unaware of the > > >hardware behind Hotmail, but said: "We looked at all the on-line > mail > > >services and Hotmail was far and away the best. It has the most > proven > > >and scalable architecture." > > > > > > > > > First appeared in Network News, 22-April - 1998 ================================================================ Naren / email:tulpule@cs.unc.edu / 919-962-1937(office)/ SN039. http://www.cs.unc.edu/~tulpule talk:tulpule@boulanger.cs.unc.edu ================================================================ ###### Path: ccw.ch!elna.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.belnet.be!newspump.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!chippy.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!ptah.visi.com!not-for-mail Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers,alt.folklore.internet Subject: Re: Floating on the Net: MS Hotmail uses Solaris References: Organization: Plethora . Net - More Net, Less Spam! X-Newsreader: trn 4.0-test62 (21 February 1998) From: seebs@plethora.net (Peter Seebach) Lines: 16 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 22:47:21 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: guild.plethora.net NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 17:47:21 CDT In article , Narendra C. Tulpule wrote: >Is this true? >> > >Solaris calls Hotmail shots for Microsoft Yes. Yahoo! runs on FreeBSD. I forget which Unix it is, but MSNBC is also on Unix, not NT. Hint: NT SUCKS. -s -- Copyright '98, All rights reserved. Peter Seebach / seebs@plethora.net C/Unix wizard, Pro-commerce radical, Spam fighter. Boycott Spamazon! Not speaking for my employer. Questions on C/Unix? Send mail for help. Visit my new ISP --- More Net, Less Spam! ###### From: zebee@zip.com.au (Zebee Johnstone) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers,alt.folklore.internet Subject: Re: Floating on the Net: MS Hotmail uses Solaris Date: 1 May 1998 00:02:01 GMT Organization: Zip Internet Professionals Pty Ltd Lines: 19 Message-ID: References: Reply-To: zebee@zip.com.au NNTP-Posting-Host: 203.12.97.1 X-Newsreader: slrn (0.9.4.6 UNIX) Path: ccw.ch!elna.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newsfeed.uk.ibm.net!sackheads.org!ibm.net!news-feed.inet.tele.dk!bofh.vszbr.cz!europa.clark.net!192.148.253.68!netnews.com!windy.ourworld.net!news.syd.fl.net.au!newsfeed.zip.com.au!the-fly.zip.com.au!zebee In alt.folklore.internet on Thu, 30 Apr 1998 22:47:21 GMT Peter Seebach wrote: >In article , >Narendra C. Tulpule wrote: >>Is this true? > >>> > >Solaris calls Hotmail shots for Microsoft > >Yes. > >Yahoo! runs on FreeBSD. > >I forget which Unix it is, but MSNBC is also on Unix, not NT. I was told that Deja News runs on Linux, but it seems to me unlikely. THey don;t seem to say on their site what they are using. Zebee ###### Path: ccw.ch!elna.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.belnet.be!news-penn.gip.net!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!206.251.127.50!newsfeed.gte.net!news.gte.net!not-for-mail From: Nostromo@gte.net (Nostromo) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers,alt.folklore.internet Subject: Re: Floating on the Net: MS Hotmail uses Solaris Date: Fri, 01 May 1998 01:13:02 GMT Organization: gte.net Lines: 24 Message-ID: <6ib78l$5ps$1@gte2.gte.net> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 1cust12.tnt1.santa-clara.ca.da.uu.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Auth: DA0881524A88C5D150D38491 X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 On 1 May 1998 00:02:01 GMT, zebee@zip.com.au (Zebee Johnstone) wrote: >In alt.folklore.internet on Thu, 30 Apr 1998 22:47:21 GMT >Peter Seebach wrote: >>In article , >>Narendra C. Tulpule wrote: >>>Is this true? >> >>>> > >Solaris calls Hotmail shots for Microsoft >> >>Yes. >> >>Yahoo! runs on FreeBSD. >> >>I forget which Unix it is, but MSNBC is also on Unix, not NT. > >I was told that Deja News runs on Linux, but it seems to >me unlikely. THey don;t seem to say on their site what they >are using. > >Zebee They used to have a link off of their main page which stated that Dejanews used Linux, but it has been removed. AFAIK, it still uses Linux. ###### Path: ccw.ch!elna.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news-fra1.dfn.de!news-was.dfn.de!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!europa.clark.net!164.67.42.145!awabi.library.ucla.edu!137.82.194.1!unixg.ubc.ca!alph02.triumf.ca!shoppa From: shoppa@alph02.triumf.ca (Tim Shoppa) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers,alt.folklore.internet Subject: Re: Floating on the Net: MS Hotmail uses Solaris Date: 1 May 1998 01:40:56 GMT Organization: TRIUMF, Canada's National Meson Facility Lines: 23 Message-ID: <6ib978$g4l$1@nntp.ucs.ubc.ca> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: alph02.triumf.ca In article , Peter Seebach wrote: >In article , >Narendra C. Tulpule wrote: >>Is this true? > >>> > >Solaris calls Hotmail shots for Microsoft > >Yes. > >Yahoo! runs on FreeBSD. > >I forget which Unix it is, but MSNBC is also on Unix, not NT. And Intel uses VAXen running VMS to oversee the Pentium production lines. And Microsoft used PDP-10's to compile/assemble many of their early products. In the real world, holy wars rarely count for much when there's serious work to be done! Tim. (shoppa@triumf.ca) ###### Path: ccw.ch!elna.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.belnet.be!news-penn.gip.net!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!peerfeed.ncal.verio.net!newsfeed.wli.net!newsfeed.sgi.net!news.sgi.net!not-for-mail Message-ID: <354934CD.4F53@NO-SPAM.sgi.net> From: Adam Stouffer X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04 (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers,alt.folklore.internet Subject: Re: Floating on the Net: MS Hotmail uses Solaris References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 13 Date: Fri, 01 May 1998 02:26:26 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: dap-144-124.monroe.sgi.net NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 22:26:26 EDT Zebee Johnstone wrote: > > I was told that Deja News runs on Linux, but it seems to > me unlikely. THey don;t seem to say on their site what they > are using. > > Zebee No, it runs on OS/2. I always see their OS/2 banners advertised Adam -- ----------------------------------------- | Public enemy #10 | | Remove the NO-SPAM | ----------------------------------------- ###### Path: ccw.ch!elna.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newscore.univie.ac.at!europa.clark.net!206.251.127.50!newsfeed.gte.net!news.gte.net!not-for-mail From: Nostromo@gte.net (Nostromo) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers,alt.folklore.internet Subject: Re: Floating on the Net: MS Hotmail uses Solaris Date: Fri, 01 May 1998 03:19:07 GMT Organization: gte.net Lines: 26 Message-ID: <6ibel0$dmm$1@gte2.gte.net> References: <354934CD.4F53@NO-SPAM.sgi.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 1cust12.tnt1.santa-clara.ca.da.uu.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Auth: DA0881001ED4C5804DCD8491 X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 On Fri, 01 May 1998 02:26:26 GMT, Adam Stouffer wrote: >Zebee Johnstone wrote: > >> >> I was told that Deja News runs on Linux, but it seems to >> me unlikely. THey don;t seem to say on their site what they >> are using. >> >> Zebee > >No, it runs on OS/2. I always see their OS/2 banners advertised > > > >Adam If you mean the banners that autoload while you're reading news, that means nothing. IBM pays to advertise on Dejanews. Also, their banners change depending on which group you're reading. If you go to comp.sys.ibm, you may get an OS2 ad, or you might get one from one of IBM's competitors. I just checked alt.internet.commerce and it brought up an ad that says "Someone, somewhere has created the perfect application for your business" Dejanews advertises to audiences which are most likely to buy the advertiser's products. I heard that Dejanews runs on Linux (Debian, IIRC) can anyone confirm this? ###### Path: ccw.ch!elna.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.belnet.be!newspump.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!nntp.abs.net!newshub.northeast.verio.net!arclight.uoregon.edu!Ireland.EU.net!not-for-mail From: awhite@aritech.ie (Andrew White) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Floating on the Net: MS Hotmail uses Solaris Date: Fri, 01 May 1998 09:34:39 GMT Organization: EUnet Ireland customer Lines: 13 Message-ID: <3549964f.796515@192.168.1.2> References: <6ib978$g4l$1@nntp.ucs.ubc.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: 193.120.11.96 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 www.netcraft.com lists the following:- www.hotmail.com ->apache 1.2.1. www.msnbc.com -> IIS (Microsoft) www.dejanews.com -> apache 1.2.5. The hotmail Apache version number is way earlier than the experimental NT port, so yes, hotmail does NOT run on Windows machines. Later, Andrrew White. ###### Path: ccw.ch!elna.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news-fra1.dfn.de!news-koe1.dfn.de!news-han1.dfn.de!news.fh-hannover.de!newsfeed.nacamar.de!feed2.news.erols.com!erols!amk From: amk@mira.erols.com (A.M. Kuchling) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers,alt.folklore.internet Subject: Re: Floating on the Net: MS Hotmail uses Solaris Date: 1 May 1998 11:43:28 GMT Organization: Erol's Internet Services Lines: 15 Message-ID: References: <354934CD.4F53@NO-SPAM.sgi.net> <6ibel0$dmm$1@gte2.gte.net> Reply-To: akuchlin@cnri.reston.va.us NNTP-Posting-Host: 207-172-113-84.s84.tnt5.ann.erols.com X-Trace: winter.news.erols.com 894023008 5534 207.172.113.84 (1 May 1998 11:43:28 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@erols.com X-Newsreader: slrn (0.9.3.2 UNIX) On Fri, 01 May 1998 03:19:07 GMT, Nostromo wrote: >I heard that Dejanews runs on Linux (Debian, IIRC) can anyone confirm this? For a while Dejanews had a page that described their system, which was running Linux on an SMP machine. That page seems to be gone now; perhaps a suit made them remove it, or perhaps they've changed platforms. Note that their employment page has an opening for a sysadmin, and lists "Valued experience preferred: administering Linux," but it also lists administering NT Server. -- A.M. Kuchling http://starship.skyport.net/crew/amk/ Art lies in understanding some part of the dark forces and bringing them under the direction of reason. -- Robertson Davies, _A Voice from the Attic_ ###### Path: ccw.ch!elna.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.belnet.be!news-penn.gip.net!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsxfer3.itd.umich.edu!jobone!dailyplanet.srl.ford.com!eccws1.dearborn.ford.com!longhorn!tph From: tph@longhorn.uucp (Tom Harrington) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers,alt.folklore.internet Subject: Re: Floating on the Net: MS Hotmail uses Solaris Followup-To: alt.folklore.computers,alt.folklore.internet Date: 1 May 1998 16:35:12 GMT Organization: Mechanist Industries Lines: 18 Message-ID: <6ictk0$r3d11@eccws1.dearborn.ford.com> References: <354934CD.4F53@NO-SPAM.sgi.net> <6ibel0$dmm$1@gte2.gte.net> Reply-To: tph@rmi.net NNTP-Posting-Host: cs0053.eld.ford.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] A.M. Kuchling (amk@mira.erols.com) wrote: : On Fri, 01 May 1998 03:19:07 GMT, Nostromo wrote: : >I heard that Dejanews runs on Linux (Debian, IIRC) can anyone confirm this? : For a while Dejanews had a page that described their system, which was : running Linux on an SMP machine. That page seems to be gone now; : perhaps a suit made them remove it, or perhaps they've changed YKYHNBHLE (YKY have not BH long enough) when you read "perhaps a suit made them remove it", and your first thought is "why would anyone sue them over that?". Or maybe that's just "YKYBLITUSATLW" (YKYB living in the USA too long when...). -- Tom Harrington --------- tph@rmii.com -------- http://rainbow.rmii.com/~tph "Giving money and power to government is like giving whiskey and car keys to teen-age boys." -P.J. O'Rourke Cookie's Revenge: ftp://ftp.rmi.net/pub2/tph/cookie/cookies-revenge.sit.hqx ###### Path: ccw.ch!elna.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.belnet.be!news-penn.gip.net!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news-feed.inet.tele.dk!bofh.vszbr.cz!online.no!newsfeed.sollentuna.se!dera!taz.dra.hmg.gb!WAGRAY From: wagray@taz.dra.hmg.gb (Walter Gray) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers,alt.folklore.internet Subject: Re: Floating on the Net: MS Hotmail uses Solaris Date: 1 May 1998 17:32:03 GMT Organization: Defence Research Agency Lines: 33 Message-ID: <6id0uj$3bf$5@trog.dra.hmg.gb> References: <6ib978$g4l$1@nntp.ucs.ubc.ca> Reply-To: wagray@taz.dra.hmg.gb NNTP-Posting-Host: taz.dra.hmg.gb In article <6ib978$g4l$1@nntp.ucs.ubc.ca>, shoppa@alph02.triumf.ca (Tim Shoppa) writes: :In article , :Peter Seebach wrote: :>In article , :>Narendra C. Tulpule wrote: :>>Is this true? :> :>>> > >Solaris calls Hotmail shots for Microsoft :> :>Yes. :> :>Yahoo! runs on FreeBSD. :> :>I forget which Unix it is, but MSNBC is also on Unix, not NT. : :And Intel uses VAXen running VMS to oversee the Pentium production lines. : :And Microsoft used PDP-10's to compile/assemble many of their early :products. : :In the real world, holy wars rarely count for much when there's serious :work to be done! Is it true that windows (I mean Windoze) is written in plain old C instead of spiffy new Visual C+++++ whatever? Walter Disclaimer: My employer is not responsible for this stuff. Please reply to: wagray@dra.hmg.gb as the address given above sometimes doesn't work. ###### Path: ccw.ch!usenet From: Neil Franklin Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers,alt.folklore.internet Subject: Re: Floating on the Net: MS Hotmail uses Solaris Date: Fri, 01 May 1998 22:37:42 +0200 Organization: My own Private Self Lines: 62 Message-ID: <354A3296.53B6047B@ccw.ch.remove> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.27 i486) Zebee Johnstone wrote: > > >>> > >Solaris calls Hotmail shots for Microsoft chonsp:ttyp1:root:~# nc www.hotmail.com 80 GET / HTTP/1.0 HTTP/1.1 200 OK Date: Fri, 01 May 1998 20:21:01 GMT Server: Apache/1.2.1 Last-Modified: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 20:55:28 GMT ETag: "2ee0d-1d2b-3512d7c0" Content-Length: 7467 Accept-Ranges: bytes Connection: close Content-Type: text/html [rest snipped for brevity] They certainly use an Apache. That is usually an Unix system. NT believers usually follow Microsofts marketing into using IIS. > I was told that Deja News runs on Linux chonsp:ttyp0:root:~# nc www.dejanews.com 80 GET / HTTP/1.0 HTTP/1.1 200 OK Date: Fri, 01 May 1998 20:18:18 GMT Server: Apache/1.2.5 Connection: close Content-Type: text/html [rest snipped] Also Apache here, even the newest one. So Linux is possible. > but it seems to me unlikely. THey don;t seem to say on their site > what they are using. Many firms keep it secret that the use Linux. It isn't cool in managment circles to mention that you base your business on something free and without the legalistic delusion of an "guarantie". So the techies who want to use the good stuff do so and then pull the wool over the eyes of the managers. An public declaration sort of foils that strategy. Never underestimate the big heads and small intelligence of managers. Yes, I have put the term Freeware into the draft for our official information technology policy, but I work for an University, so that is a lot easier. -- private: Neil.Franklin@ccw.ch.remove http://www.ccw.ch/Neil.Franklin/ office: franklin@arch.ethz.ch.remove http://caad.arch.ethz.ch/~franklin/ Lawyers are killing society, perhaps we should return the favour. ###### Path: ccw.ch!usenet From: Neil Franklin Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers,alt.folklore.internet Subject: Re: Floating on the Net: MS Hotmail uses Solaris Date: Fri, 01 May 1998 23:01:57 +0200 Organization: My own Private Self Lines: 52 Message-ID: <354A3845.7EDEB743@ccw.ch.remove> References: <6ib978$g4l$1@nntp.ucs.ubc.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.27 i486) Tim Shoppa wrote: > > In article , > Peter Seebach wrote: > > > >I forget which Unix it is, but MSNBC is also on Unix, not NT. > > And Microsoft used PDP-10's to compile/assemble many of their early > products. > > In the real world, holy wars rarely count for much when there's serious > work to be done! As for MS on foreign OSes, there also is this story (I have it from the admin involved): MS had/has on its Web server for each country branch subdirectories called www.microsoft.com/country-name/. Aparantly a few people at the Swiss department of MS thought that was too complicated, so they wanted www.microsoft.ch as an alias for their subdirectory. Putting up an own Server to do this was above their abilites (MS Switzerland is an pure sales outfit). Putting an vitual server on www.microsoft.com wasn't to their liking, I have heard the claim that they believed that an *.ch DNS name could not be for an host or virtual host outside of Switzerland for _technical_(!) reasons. Anyway they wanted an own server, just for producing HTTP redirects. They for this got an virtaul server with an Swiss ISP (active.ch). These are heavy Linux users, they actually had to once mail Linus because an Apache with 260(!) virtual servers outrun the 1024 open file limit (then) in the kernal. A few months later someone noticed that www.microsoft.ch is an Linux Machine (most likely looking at the Apache line it returns) and told it to the press. Big PR noise. So MS demanded that the ISP convert one machine to NT and put them on that. They obliged and converted one Machine (MS pays good?). A while later this NT crashes (from installing Service Pack 3). Taking down the 15 or so virtual servers on it. Customers complain. The Admin sends out an mail to all customers affected explaining what has happened. This has also MS in its To: line. Then the ISP was deluded with letters from the other customers, saying: IT SERVES _THEM_ RIGHT!!! -- private: Neil.Franklin@ccw.ch.remove http://www.ccw.ch/Neil.Franklin/ office: franklin@arch.ethz.ch.remove http://caad.arch.ethz.ch/~franklin/ Lawyers are killing society, perhaps we should return the favour. ###### Path: ccw.ch!elna.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.belnet.be!news-penn.gip.net!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!feeder.qis.net!newsfeed.nyu.edu!newsfeed.sgi.net!news.sgi.net!not-for-mail Message-ID: <354A977F.80D@NO-SPAM.sgi.net> From: Adam Stouffer X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04 (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers,alt.folklore.internet Subject: Re: Floating on the Net: MS Hotmail uses Solaris References: <354934CD.4F53@NO-SPAM.sgi.net> <6ibel0$dmm$1@gte2.gte.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 28 Date: Sat, 02 May 1998 03:39:47 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: dap-144-70.monroe.sgi.net NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 01 May 1998 23:39:47 EDT Nostromo wrote: > > >Adam > If you mean the banners that autoload while you're reading news, that means > nothing. IBM pays to advertise on Dejanews. > Also, their banners change depending on which group you're reading. If you go > to comp.sys.ibm, you may get an OS2 ad, or you might get one from one of IBM's > competitors. I just checked alt.internet.commerce and it brought up an ad that > says "Someone, somewhere has created the perfect application for your business" > Dejanews advertises to audiences which are most likely to buy the advertiser's > products. > > I heard that Dejanews runs on Linux (Debian, IIRC) can anyone confirm this? At the bottom of their page it says this: IBM Technical Interchange '98 along with the usual dejanews sitemap. Why not just try and telnet into dejanews.com and see what the logon message says? -- ----------------------------------------- | Public enemy #10 | | Remove the NO-SPAM | ----------------------------------------- ###### Path: ccw.ch!elna.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newsfeed.uk.ibm.net!sackheads.org!ibm.net!arclight.uoregon.edu!news-out.internetmci.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!192.26.210.166!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!news.mcgill.ca!cs.mcgill.ca!raphael From: Louis RAPHAEL Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers,alt.folklore.internet Subject: Re: Floating on the Net: MS Hotmail uses Solaris Date: 2 May 1998 14:32:33 GMT Organization: Societe pour la promotion du petoncle vert Lines: 15 Message-ID: <6ifaq1$bsr@sifon.cc.mcgill.ca> References: <6ib978$g4l$1@nntp.ucs.ubc.ca> <354A3845.7EDEB743@ccw.ch.remove> NNTP-Posting-Host: willy.cs.mcgill.ca User-Agent: tin/pre-1.4-971127 (UNIX) (SunOS/4.1.4 (sun4m)) In alt.folklore.computers Neil Franklin wrote: : A few months later someone noticed that www.microsoft.ch is an Linux : Machine (most likely looking at the Apache line it returns) and told it : to the press. Big PR noise. So MS demanded that the ISP convert one : machine to NT and put them on that. They obliged and converted one : Machine (MS pays good?). It used to be that telnetting to M$'s main nameserver (atbd.microsoft.com) resulted in your being greeted with an AT&T Unix message... I notice that this no longer happens, and I'd venture that it's because they blocked incoming telnet, *not* because they changed to an inferior OS. Louis ###### Path: ccw.ch!elna.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.belnet.be!news-penn.gip.net!news-peer.gip.net!news-lond.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!rkdltd.demon.co.uk!zen!rich From: R!ch Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers,alt.folklore.internet Subject: Re: Floating on the Net: MS Hotmail uses Solaris Date: Sat, 2 May 1998 23:03:17 +0100 Message-ID: References: <354934CD.4F53@NO-SPAM.sgi.net> <6ibel0$dmm$1@gte2.gte.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: rkdltd.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: rkdltd.demon.co.uk:194.222.45.218 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 894147023 nnrp-11:23320 NO-IDENT rkdltd.demon.co.uk:194.222.45.218 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net X-Sender: rich@zen To: akuchlin@cnri.reston.va.us In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Lines: 25 On 1 May 1998, A.M. Kuchling wrote: > On Fri, 01 May 1998 03:19:07 GMT, Nostromo wrote: > >I heard that Dejanews runs on Linux (Debian, IIRC) can anyone confirm this? > > For a while Dejanews had a page that described their system, which was > running Linux on an SMP machine. That page seems to be gone now; > perhaps a suit made them remove it, or perhaps they've changed > platforms. Note that their employment page has an opening for a > sysadmin, and lists "Valued experience preferred: administering > Linux," but it also lists administering NT Server. ISTR that M$ now own a (substantial?) part of Dejanews. If that is the case, that would explain the removal of such damning evidence... -- R!ch Teer If it ain't analogue, it ain't music. Richard Teer richard.teer@rkdltd.demon.co.uk Risc Key Developments Ltd Voice: +44 (0)1256 330612 WWW: www.rkdltd.demon.co.uk ###### Path: ccw.ch!elna.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!ubnnews.unisource.ch!News.Amsterdam.UnisourceCS!masternews.telia.net!news-feed.inet.tele.dk!bofh.vszbr.cz!newshub.northeast.verio.net!howland.erols.net!feed2.news.erols.com!erols!news.mindspring.net!news.mindspring.com!abuse From: abuse@orion-com.com (Joe Thompson) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers,alt.folklore.internet Subject: Re: Floating on the Net: MS Hotmail uses Solaris Date: Sun, 03 May 1998 01:32:03 -0400 Organization: Orion Computer Consulting Lines: 14 Message-ID: References: <354934CD.4F53@NO-SPAM.sgi.net> <6ibel0$dmm$1@gte2.gte.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: user-37kba97.dialup.mindspring.com X-Server-Date: 3 May 1998 05:30:49 GMT X-Newsreader: MT-NewsWatcher 2.4.4 In article , R!ch wrote: > ISTR that M$ now own a (substantial?) part of Dejanews. If that is > the case, that would explain the removal of such damning evidence... It would also explain why I suddenly started getting "Your query could not be completed because of the following error: Corrupted index" on a regular basis. Always when trying to "view thread" on a search by author. -- Joe -- Joe Thompson | By sending commercial | Tech support is a fine Charlottesville VA | e-mail, you agree to | art which once mastered, Expert PC service | pay US$1000.00/item. | ensures loss of sanity. http://kensey.home.mindspring.com/ ###### Path: ccw.ch!elna.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newsfeed.uk.ibm.net!sackheads.org!ibm.net!europa.clark.net!207.172.3.49!feed2.news.erols.com!erols!news.ultranet.com!d12 From: jmfbahxx@ma.ultranet.com Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Floating on the Net: MS Hotmail uses Solaris Date: Mon, 04 May 98 11:39:36 GMT Organization: UltraNet Communications, Inc. Lines: 32 Message-ID: <6ikc81$bft$2@ligarius.ultra.net> References: <6ib978$g4l$1@nntp.ucs.ubc.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: d12.dial-11.mbo.ma.ultra.net X-Complaints-To: abuse@ultra.net X-Ultra-Time: 4 May 1998 12:27:45 GMT X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #4 In article <6ib978$g4l$1@nntp.ucs.ubc.ca>, shoppa@alph02.triumf.ca (Tim Shoppa) wrote: >In article , >Peter Seebach wrote: >>In article , >>Narendra C. Tulpule wrote: >>>Is this true? >> >>>> > >Solaris calls Hotmail shots for Microsoft >> >>Yes. >> >>Yahoo! runs on FreeBSD. >> >>I forget which Unix it is, but MSNBC is also on Unix, not NT. > >And Intel uses VAXen running VMS to oversee the Pentium production lines. > >And Microsoft used PDP-10's to compile/assemble many of their early >products. And Digital used a Burroughs machine for their EDP tasks (60s and early 70s). > >In the real world, holy wars rarely count for much when there's serious >work to be done! > Right. /BAH ###### Path: ccw.ch!elna.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!feed1.news.luth.se!luth.se!feed2.news.erols.com!erols!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pedasmith@aol.com (Pedasmith) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Floating on the Net: MS Hotmail uses Solaris Date: 4 May 1998 15:14:08 GMT Lines: 12 Message-ID: <1998050415140800.LAA12143@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com References: <6ikc81$bft$2@ligarius.ultra.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Data General used to test their computers with VAXes.... And how do I know? It was office scuttlebutt when I worked at Teradyne, the big test-equipment manufacturer. Our LASAR product worked on Vax and Unix, but not Data General; they decided they'd rather have a Vax in the corner and run LASAR than not. Peter Smith Teradyne LASAR - BBN Software Products/Domain Solutions RS/1 ###### Path: ccw.ch!elna.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.belnet.be!newspump.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newshub.northeast.verio.net!news.idt.net!nntp2.cerf.net!nntp3.cerf.net!qualcomm.com!rg=usenet.1 From: rg=usenet.1@worldmail1.qualcomm.com (Randall Gellens) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Floating on the Net: MS Hotmail uses Solaris Date: Mon, 04 May 1998 17:32:19 -0700 Organization: QUALCOMM, Incorporated Lines: 13 Message-ID: References: <6ib978$g4l$1@nntp.ucs.ubc.ca> <6ikc81$bft$2@ligarius.ultra.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: randy-mac.qualcomm.com X-Newsreader: MT-NewsWatcher 2.4.4 X-No-Archive: Yes In article <6ikc81$bft$2@ligarius.ultra.net>, jmfbahxx@ma.ultranet.com wrote: > And Digital used a Burroughs machine for their EDP tasks (60s and early > 70s) Would you happen to know which Burroughs machines were used? [I tried to send this as email, but it bounced.] -- Randall Gellens rg=usenet.1@worldmail1.qualcomm.com Opinions are personal; facts are suspect; I speak for myself alone ###### Path: ccw.ch!elna.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-backup-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!199.232.56.18!news.ultranet.com!d10 From: jmfbahxx@ma.ultranet.com Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Floating on the Net: MS Hotmail uses Solaris Date: Wed, 06 May 98 10:28:57 GMT Organization: UltraNet Communications, Inc. Lines: 22 Message-ID: <6ipgs5$4ci$1@strato.ultra.net> References: <6ib978$g4l$1@nntp.ucs.ubc.ca> <6ikc81$bft$2@ligarius.ultra.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: d10.dial-15.mbo.ma.ultra.net X-Complaints-To: abuse@ultra.net X-Ultra-Time: 6 May 1998 11:17:25 GMT X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #4 In article , rg=usenet.1@worldmail1.qualcomm.com (Randall Gellens) wrote: >In article <6ikc81$bft$2@ligarius.ultra.net>, jmfbahxx@ma.ultranet.com wrote: > >> And Digital used a Burroughs machine for their EDP tasks (60s and early >> 70s) > >Would you happen to know which Burroughs machines were used? No. I only saw it once and, at the time, I was learning the difference between an -8 and an -11. It had a card hopper about 4-5 feet long (which is why the machine was useful as all input was cards and DEC didn't do that very well). And I believe there was only one machine. > >[I tried to send this as email, but it bounced.] > Good. That's by design. :-). /BAH ###### Path: ccw.ch!elna.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!feed1.news.luth.se!luth.se!feed2.news.erols.com!erols!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.gte.net!news.gte.net!not-for-mail From: "Mark Harrison" Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Floating on the Net: MS Hotmail uses Solaris Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 23:03:16 +0800 Organization: gte.net Lines: 11 Message-ID: <6j74bb$dfl$1@gte2.gte.net> References: <6ib978$g4l$1@nntp.ucs.ubc.ca> <6ikc81$bft$2@ligarius.ultra.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 202.96.30.250 X-Auth: DB0BC55C039084C446CC8491 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 jmfbahxx@ma.ultranet.com wrote in message <6ikc81$bft$2@ligarius.ultra.net>... >In article <6ib978$g4l$1@nntp.ucs.ubc.ca>, >And Digital used a Burroughs machine for their EDP tasks (60s and early >70s). And then switched to IBM mainframes.