Path: ccw.ch!usenet From: Neil Franklin Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: What ISO number? (was Re: millenium bug) Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 21:00:48 +0200 Organization: My own Private Self Lines: 16 Message-ID: <3544D5E0.BA9B0C4C@ccw.ch.remove> References: <6h5epu$nc7$1@news.u-net.com> <3538f6d8.0@aedes.isd.net> <6hfkc9$l9o$4@trog.dra.hmg.gb> <6hjrvv$rkr$2@columbine.singnet.com.sg> <6hkurt$7ol@mozo.cc.purdue.edu> <6htgmv$a8s@ecuador.earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.27 i486) Ingvar Mattsson wrote: > > //Ingvar (who knows that the last "real" Swedish LYD was 19920224[1]) > [1] Date in some ISO format or another Ah yes, ISO dates, the only date format that ye ole ASCII sort (and so also humble 'ls') does right. Ideal for filenames when you want them to stay sorted in time. Anyone know which ISO-xxx number this one is? -- private: Neil.Franklin@ccw.ch.remove http://www.ccw.ch/Neil.Franklin/ office: franklin@arch.ethz.ch.remove http://caad.arch.ethz.ch/~franklin/ This computer has 2 cats, one in /bin, one on top purring. ###### Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 03:33:34 -0700 From: jk@espy.org (Joel Klecker) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Mail-Copies-To: always Subject: Re: What ISO number? (was Re: millenium bug) Message-ID: References: <6h5epu$nc7$1@news.u-net.com> <3538f6d8.0@aedes.isd.net> <6hfkc9$l9o$4@trog.dra.hmg.gb> <6hjrvv$rkr$2@columbine.singnet.com.sg> <6hkurt$7ol@mozo.cc.purdue.edu> <6htgmv$a8s@ecuador.earthlink.net> <3544D5E0.BA9B0C4C@ccw.ch.remove> Organization: Another fine Debian GNU/Linux Site X-Newsreader: MT-NewsWatcher 2.4.4 X-Face: 8b[O#_YSJ$C:ZMh\DC?"A`o]Q?"dT`YVBG~"#WND}\I0sYR,,M0]MC X-PGP-Fingerprint: 12 92 9C E4 60 DF 62 CD FC AD 18 47 9A 74 E7 D1 X-PGP-URL: NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.119.27.10 X-Trace: 28 Apr 1998 10:31:54 -0600, 204.119.27.10 Lines: 16 Path: ccw.ch!elna.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newsfeed.uk.ibm.net!sackheads.org!ibm.net!news-feed.inet.tele.dk!bofh.vszbr.cz!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!news2.chicago.iagnet.net!qual.net!iagnet.net!newsreader.digex.net!news9.digex.net!digex!newsfeed.kcdata.com!news9.kcdata.com!jk In article <3544D5E0.BA9B0C4C@ccw.ch.remove>, Neil Franklin wrote: > Ah yes, ISO dates, the only date format that ye ole ASCII sort (and so > also humble 'ls') does right. > > Ideal for filenames when you want them to stay sorted in time. > > Anyone know which ISO-xxx number this one is? 8601[1] [1] http://www.ft.uni-erlangen.de/~mskuhn/iso-time.html -- Joel "Espy" Klecker Debian GNU/Linux Developer................... ###### Path: ccw.ch!elna.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newsfeed.uk.ibm.net!sackheads.org!ibm.net!news-feed.inet.tele.dk!bofh.vszbr.cz!online.no!salsa.st.statoil.no!not-for-mail From: afg@statoil.no Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: What ISO number? (was Re: millenium bug) Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 09:51:55 +0200 Organization: Statoil Lines: 31 Message-ID: <35458A9B.642D@statoil.no> References: <6h5epu$nc7$1@news.u-net.com> <3538f6d8.0@aedes.isd.net> <6hfkc9$l9o$4@trog.dra.hmg.gb> <6hjrvv$rkr$2@columbine.singnet.com.sg> <6hkurt$7ol@mozo.cc.purdue.edu> <6htgmv$a8s@ecuador.earthlink.net> <3544D5E0.BA9B0C4C@ccw.ch.remove> Reply-To: afg@statoil.spam-block.no NNTP-Posting-Host: 143.97.35.163 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win94; I) Neil Franklin wrote: > > Ingvar Mattsson wrote: > > > > //Ingvar (who knows that the last "real" Swedish LYD was 19920224[1]) > > [1] Date in some ISO format or another > > Ah yes, ISO dates, the only date format that ye ole ASCII sort (and so > also humble 'ls') does right. > > Ideal for filenames when you want them to stay sorted in time. > > Anyone know which ISO-xxx number this one is? It is ISO standard no. 8601 (from 1988) "Data elements and interchange formats -- Information interchange -- Representation of dates and times" (or "Éléments de données et formats d'échange -- Échange d'information -- Répresentation de la date et de l'heure" for the French version). Note that the standard refers (in Annex A) to ISO 2015 and ISO 2711 as the standards that define the week numbering system and ordinal dates, respectively. -- -- Aron "Sometimes the magic works, sometimes it doesn't." -- Chief Dan George, in "Little Big Man" NB: Om du vil svare med e-post, må du forandre adressa mi. NB: If you want to reply by e-mail, you will have to modify my address. ###### Path: ccw.ch!elna.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.belnet.be!newspump.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!ais.net!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!wesley.videotron.net!newsfeed.nyu.edu!rockyd.rockefeller.edu!not-for-mail From: alex*@*rockvax.rockefeller.edu (Alexandre Pechtchanski) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: What ISO number? (was Re: millenium bug) Organization: Rockefeller University Hospital (GCRC), New York Message-ID: <35460308.10440851@Rockyd> References: <6h5epu$nc7$1@news.u-net.com> <3538f6d8.0@aedes.isd.net> <6hfkc9$l9o$4@trog.dra.hmg.gb> <6hjrvv$rkr$2@columbine.singnet.com.sg> <6hkurt$7ol@mozo.cc.purdue.edu> <6htgmv$a8s@ecuador.earthlink.net> <3544D5E0.BA9B0C4C@ccw.ch.remove> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 61 Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 17:03:20 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: hospc6.rockefeller.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 13:03:20 EDT On Mon, 27 Apr 1998 21:00:48 +0200, Neil Franklin wrote: [ Warning: severe case of topic driftitis ;-) ] >Ingvar Mattsson wrote: >> >> //Ingvar (who knows that the last "real" Swedish LYD was 19920224[1]) >> [1] Date in some ISO format or another > >Ah yes, ISO dates, the only date format that ye ole ASCII sort (and so >also humble 'ls') does right. > >Ideal for filenames when you want them to stay sorted in time. Somehow this reminded me amusing story that happened to yours truly in 197 at the computer exhibition in Moscow (USSR, not Florida ;-) Some company was demo-ing an advanced technology 5.25" duplicator (or some such) and when I happened nearby it was running read-write test writing block numbers to sequential bytes and displaying them as ASCII (or some close cousin thereof). I made some inane remark about what character will show up next, was overheard by exhibitionist, admitted that I do know codes used in USSR IS industry, and promptly buttonholed as local guru. He brought a thick book listing all national variations of ASCII (ISO-8859- or something like that) and demanded to know if Cyrillic presented there is the standard we use. At the time Soviet government decided that all progress is represented by IBM-360 and put all research, design and manufacturing in computing to copy various models of it (it was called "Edinaya Seriya" - Unified Series, also someone managed to snick PDP-11 as lower members of the series - but that's another story). Moreover, someone had a bright idea that it will be easier to use transliteration then national character set, so the standard code at the time was (numbers in parentheses are ordinals of cyrillic letters - there are 33 of them) @ A B C D E F G H (32) (1) (2) (24) (5) (6) (22) (4) (23) etc. So the guy demanded if I am sure (both of the fact and that I know what I'm talking about), and after my assurances was still unconvinced. I'm afraid he left the country still believing that both me and the standard were KGB plants to conceal the real thing, as no one in their right mind will use a code so far from alphabetical order. He, of course, couldn't believe that USSR as a country was not in the right mind ;-) [ When replying, remove *'s from address ] Alexandre Pechtchanski, Systems Manager, RUH, NY ###### Path: ccw.ch!elna.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news.belnet.be!newsgate.cistron.nl!het.net!news.cs.utwente.nl!newspump.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newshub.northeast.verio.net!news-feed.inet.tele.dk!bofh.vszbr.cz!masternews.telia.net!newspost.telia.com!news.lejonet.se!not-for-mail From: Ingvar Mattsson Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: What ISO number? (was Re: millenium bug) Date: 30 Apr 1998 12:51:21 +0200 Organization: Foreningen Lejonet, Linkoping, Sweden Lines: 23 Message-ID: References: <6h5epu$nc7$1@news.u-net.com> <3538f6d8.0@aedes.isd.net> <6hfkc9$l9o$4@trog.dra.hmg.gb> <6hjrvv$rkr$2@columbine.singnet.com.sg> <6hkurt$7ol@mozo.cc.purdue.edu> <6htgmv$a8s@ecuador.earthlink.net> <3544D5E0.BA9B0C4C@ccw.ch.remove> NNTP-Posting-Host: ns.idasys.se X-Newsreader: Gnus v5.3/Emacs 19.34 Neil Franklin writes: > > Ingvar Mattsson wrote: > > > > //Ingvar (who knows that the last "real" Swedish LYD was 19920224[1]) > > [1] Date in some ISO format or another > > Ah yes, ISO dates, the only date format that ye ole ASCII sort (and so > also humble 'ls') does right. > > Ideal for filenames when you want them to stay sorted in time. > > Anyone know which ISO-xxx number this one is? A quick web search indicates that it is ISO-8601. At least according to: http://www.magnet.ch/serendipity/hermetic/cal_stud/formats.htm //Ingvar (The first "fake" LYD was 19960229) -- Sysadmin, disgruntled, unpolite. I don't speak for my employer nor do they speak for me. Accept this and life will be easier. ingvar@idasys.se