From: John Pitts <jpitts@awa.com.au>
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Subject: Export Restrictions
Date: 22 Jan 1998 19:13:00 GMT
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This story came from a joke mailing list: It's got to be a UL, right? Has
anyone heard this one before? 

John. 

<<Don't know if this is true (I am told it is), but it is a good story... 
There was a guy in Florida, Cuban by nationality, who had been unable to
get US citizenship and was due to be deported. A couple of MIT students,
who had heard about this guy and were after a lark, hopped a plane down to
Florida and took this guy to a tatoo studio. What they tatooed on to him
was the DES algorithm, in some computer readable form. Thus rendering the
guy unexportable. The US government offered to scrape the tatoos off, but
they guy's lawyers screamed something about human rights abuses.  The way
I heard it, the guy was eventually granted citizenship.>>

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Ian Stirling  <000034C7B5ED.NO_UCE@mauve.demon.co.uk> wrote:

>> This story came from a joke mailing list: It's got to be a UL, right?
>> Has anyone heard this one before? 

> It certainly is.  AIUI, the offense would be on the part of the students
> or the tattoo parlour.  Not the "victim" 

However there is a California resident with the 4 line rsa-in-perl code
tattooed on his right arm.  Its just the human readable form, not barcode
tho. 

<dp>

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Ian Stirling <000034C7B5ED.NO_UCE@mauve.demon.co.uk> wrote:

>: This story came from a joke mailing list: It's got to be a UL, right? Has
>: anyone heard this one before? 

>It certainly is.  AIUI, the offense would be on the part of the students
>or the tattoo parlour.  Not the "victim" 

How?  If they didn't export him, how could they be guilty of the offense? 

Sincerely,

Gene Wirchenko

C Pronunciation Guide:
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From: mwilson@interlog.com (Mel Wilson)
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Ian Stirling <000034C7B5ED.NO_UCE@mauve.demon.co.uk> wrote:

>: This story came from a joke mailing list: It's got to be a UL, right? Has
>: anyone heard this one before?

> It certainly is.  AIUI, the offense would be on the part of the students
> or the tattoo parlour.  Not the "victim"

   Yes.  The Defense Trade Regulations stated:

     Export means:  [ ... ]
     (4) Disclosing or transferring technical data to a foreign
                       ^^^^^^^^^^^^
     person, whether in the United States or abroad; [ ...  ]

so the students would be on the hook, even if they had DES tattooed on
his back where he couldn't read it (which I had thought might work.)

   The alleged plot to force the Immigration authorities to break the
crypto regulations reminds me of something in Winn Schwartau's book
_Infowar_.  A sidebar quotes someone saying that Phil Zimmerman's PGP
first escaped to Europe via a FIDONET node run by an agency of the
government. 

        Regards.        Mel.

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From: Ian Stirling <000034C8ED78.NO_UCE@mauve.demon.co.uk>
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Gene Wirchenko <genew@vip.net> wrote:

:>: This story came from a joke mailing list: It's got to be a UL, right? Has
:>: anyone heard this one before? 

:>It certainly is.  AIUI, the offense would be on the part of the students
:>or the tattoo parlour.  Not the "victim" 

: How?  If they didn't export him, how could they be guilty of the offense? 

Passing it to a non-US cytisen (that's wrong, can't find spelling looks 
right)



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From: snopes@best.com (snopes)
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Subject: Re: Export Restrictions
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On 1998-01-22 jpitts@awa.com.au said:

   -<<Don't know if this is true (I am told it is), but it is a good
   -story... There was a guy in Florida, Cuban by nationality, who had
   -been unable to get US citizenship and was due to be deported. A
   -couple of MIT students, who had heard about this guy and were after
   -a lark, hopped a plane down to Florida and took this guy to a tatoo
   -studio. What they tatooed on to him was the DES algorithm, in some
   -computer readable form. Thus rendering the guy unexportable. The US

:> it fits with the kind of people you get at mit (and certain other
universities) and if it isn't true, it damned well *ought* to be! 

-- Communa - all at lisardrock.demon.net
     to be sure we read your reply, send to username `communa'

Net-Tamer V 1.09.2  - Test Drive

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From: randwhit@aol.com (RandWhit)
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Subject: Re: Export Restrictions
Date: 24 Jan 1998 12:16:04 -0800
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>> How?  If they didn't export him, how could they be guilty of the
>> offense? 

> Passing it to a non-US cytisen 

Wouldn't revealing the code to anyone (US citizen or not) be a criminal
violation of their non-disclosure agreement? 

Randall Whitlock
Phoenix Arizona
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From: bobward@gte.net (Bob Ward)
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randwhit@aol.com (RandWhit) wrote:

> Wouldn't revealing the code to anyone (US citizen or not) be a criminal
> violation of their non-disclosure agreement? 

No, Non-Disclosure agreements are a matter of Civil law, rather than
criminal law.  It is an agreement between two private parties, rather than
an activity prohibited by a governmental body. 

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From: bmeyer@bruce.cs.monash.edu.au
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randwhit@aol.com (RandWhit) writes:

>>> How?  If they didn't export him, how could they be guilty of the
>>> offense? 

>> Passing it to a non-US cytisen 

>Wouldn't revealing the code to anyone (US citizen or not) be a criminal
>violation of their non-disclosure agreement? 

Depending on _where_ they tatooed(sp?) it, revealing it might be a
violation of a non-exposure law ;-) 

Bernie
-- 
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From: "Jens Stark" <Jens@compuserve.com>
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Subject: Re: Export Restrictions
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<<Don't know if this is true (I am told it is), but it is a good story...
There was a guy in Florida, Cuban by nationality, who had been unable to
get US citizenship and was due to be deported. A couple of MIT students,
who had heard about this guy and were after a lark, hopped a plane down to
Florida and took this guy to a tatoo studio. What they tatooed on to him
was the DES algorithm, in some computer readable form. Thus rendering the
guy unexportable. The US government offered to scrape the tatoos off, but
they guy's lawyers screamed something about human rights abuses.  The way
I heard it, the guy was eventually granted citizenship.>>

I'd call it an UL. 

Books about encryption are not export restricted - they'd most likely
label him as "Printed matter" 

Jens

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From: Ian Stirling <000034CA7976.NO_UCE@mauve.demon.co.uk>
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RandWhit <randwhit@aol.com> wrote:
:>> How?  If they didn't export him, how could they be guilty of the
:>> offense? 

:> Passing it to a non-US cytisen 

: Wouldn't revealing the code to anyone (US citizen or not) be a criminal
: violation of their non-disclosure agreement? 

You don't need to be under an NDA to know about crypto.  Indeed, the
offence could be committed with an algorithm the person invents. 

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From: BStrauss@ibm.net (Burton M. Strauss III)
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"Jens Stark" <Jens@compuserve.com> wrote:

><<Don't know if this is true (I am told it is), but it is a good story...
>There was a guy in Florida, Cuban by nationality, who had been unable to
>get US citizenship and was due to be deported. A couple of MIT students,
>who had heard about this guy and were after a lark, hopped a plane down to
>Florida and took this guy to a tatoo studio. What they tatooed on to him
>was the DES algorithm, in some computer readable form. Thus rendering the
>guy unexportable. The US government offered to scrape the tatoos off, but
>they guy's lawyers screamed something about human rights abuses.  The way
>I heard it, the guy was eventually granted citizenship.>>

> I'd call it an UL. 

> Books about encryption are not export restricted - they'd most likely
> label him as "Printed matter" 

I don't think it's an UL:  see
http://roscoe.law.harvard.edu/HyperNews/get/courses/techseminar96-13/7.html

Actually books & printed materials may be restricted, if they contain
machine readable source code (possibly including OCRable)... 

Joel (Jay) Furr used to sell RSA emblazoned t-shirts (though he seems to
have dropped off the net). See Adam Back's page at
http://www.dcs.ex.ac.uk/~aba/shirt/design/

These are just two examples of T-shirts classified as military secrets... 

-----Burton

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From: shoppa@alph02.triumf.ca (Tim Shoppa)
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Burton M. Strauss III <BStrauss@ibm.net> wrote:

>Joel (Jay) Furr used to sell RSA emblazoned t-shirts (though he seems to
>have dropped off the net). See Adam Back's page at
>http://www.dcs.ex.ac.uk/~aba/shirt/design/

>These are just two examples of T-shirts classified as military secrets... 

Actually, according to US law, they're more appropriately classified as
"munitions": 

        The relevant subdivision of Category XIII of the Munitions List
        is (b), which provides in relevant part:

        (b)  Information Security Systems and equipment, cryptographic
        devices, software, and components specifically designed or
        modified therefor, including:

           (1)  Cryptographic (including key management) systems,
           equipment, assemblies, modules, integrated circuits,
           components or software with the capability of maintaining
           secrecy or confidentiality of information or information
           systems

Tim. (shoppa@triumf.ca)

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From: newcomer@flounder.com (Joseph M. Newcomer)
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Subject: Re: Export Restrictions
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This begs for a limerick:
	There was a young lad from abroad
	Had crypto tatooed on his bod.
	Made the NSA frantic
	Over this antic
	But as citizen was given a nod

Joseph M. Newcomer
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From: alex*@*rockvax.rockefeller.edu (Alexandre Pechtchanski)
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Ian Stirling <000034C8ED78.NO_UCE@mauve.demon.co.uk> wrote:

>> How?  If they didn't export him, how could they be guilty of the
>> offense? 

> Passing it to a non-US cytisen (that's wrong, can't find spelling looks 
> right)

Well, if they put it in the place where he can't look without someone's
help...  (The location is left to reader's perverted imagination ;-) 

[ When replying, remove *'s from address ]
Alexandre Pechtchanski, Systems Manager, RUH, NY

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Burton M. Strauss III <BStrauss@ibm.net> wrote:
>These are just two examples of T-shirts classified as military secrets... 
shoppa@alph02.triumf.ca (Tim Shoppa) corrected:
>Actually, according to US law, they're more appropriately classified as
>"munitions": 

This one is actually my favourite in the "brain-dead leagalisms"
category. Just think on an Iraqi taking some illegally exported
cryptography, roling it up, putting it in an AK-47 and schooting
it at US soldiers :-)

Would sure lose the war for them. What? You say that's what they did?

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From: randwhit@aol.com (RandWhit)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.suburban,alt.folklore.computers
Subject: Re: Export Restrictions
Date: 27 Jan 1998 15:46:51 -0800
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shoppa@alph02.triumf.ca (Tim Shoppa) writes:

> Actually, according to US law, they're more appropriately classified as
> "munitions": 

Now I'm worried that my software might explode when it crashes :-)

Randall Whitlock
Phoenix Arizona
randwhit@aol.com

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