From: foxvideo@wincom.net (Charles E. Fox) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Y2K strikes again Date: Fri, 02 Jan 1998 12:17:09 GMT Reply-To: foxvideo@wincom.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 NNTP-Posting-Host: a-xv.wincom.net Message-ID: <34acdb9f.0@news.wincom.net> Lines: 6 Path: ccw.ch!aetna.dolphins.ch!news.planetc.com!leto.ou.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!news.algonet.se!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-pull.sprintlink.net!news-in-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!199.222.50.6!newsjunkie.ans.net!newsfeeds.ans.net!news.wincom.net!a-xv.wincom.net The Province of Ontario can no longer sell two year car licenses because their computer can't think that far ahead. Charlie Fox ###### From: David Ecale Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Y2K strikes again Date: Tue, 06 Jan 1998 12:47:19 -0600 Organization: Cray Research a division of Silicon Graphics, Inc. Lines: 43 Message-ID: <34B27C37.446B@sgi.com> References: <34acdb9f.0@news.wincom.net> <389.306T1350T7484695@sky.bus.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ayasophia.cray.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0SC-SGI (X11; I; IRIX 6.2 IP22) Path: ccw.ch!aetna.dolphins.ch!news.planetc.com!leto.ou.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!enews.sgi.com!news.corp.sgi.com!walter.cray.com!not-for-mail Charlie Gibbs wrote: > > In article <34acdb9f.0@news.wincom.net> foxvideo@wincom.net > (Charles E. Fox) writes: > > >The Province of Ontario can no longer sell two year car licenses > >because their computer can't think that far ahead. > > Either that or they're looking for a convenient excuse to stop > offering two-year licences. > > -- > cgibbs@sky.bus.com (Charlie Gibbs) > Remove the first period after the "at" sign to reply. A recent article in the press listed one of the fallouts of Y2K as an inability to verify "00" expiration dates on credit cards as valid by point-of-sale register systems. The example given was Godiva Chocolate Co. with 150, or so, stores. The solution, until software can be updated, is for the clerks to hand enter the data & manually "ok" the transaction. Note that this is a problem with small-to-midsized companies with their own "magnetic" swipe equipment attached to their register systems. ... American Express was quoted as saying that they are "holding off" on issuing cards with "00" expiration dates for a while due to the uncertainty of the problem & the potential inability of some of their vendors accepting "00" expiration dates at this time. See this article for the whole scoop (Note that the article is copyrighted by the Washington Post). http://webserv1.startribune.com/cgi-bin/stOnLine/article?thisSlug=CARD03&date=03-Jan-98&word= -- David Ecale ecale@cray.com "The difference between a wolf pup and a German Shepard pup is that a wolf pup is quite happy teething on the leg of a stag that it's parents brought down in a hunt while the German Shepard pup prefers to teeth on remote controls and high end graphing calculators...." ###### From: butting@cs.waikato.ac.nz (Bryce Utting) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Y2K strikes again Date: 8 Jan 1998 00:08:25 GMT Organization: Computer Science Department Lines: 38 Message-ID: References: <34acdb9f.0@news.wincom.net> <389.306T1350T7484695@sky.bus.com> <34B27C37.446B@sgi.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: rose.cs.waikato.ac.nz X-Newsreader: slrn (0.8.7.1 UNIX) Path: ccw.ch!aetna.dolphins.ch!news.planetc.com!leto.ou.edu!news.ecn.uoknor.edu!news.eng.convex.com!news-feeder.onramp.net!207.33.1.6.MISMATCH!news.he.net!newsfeed.direct.ca!news1.chicago.iagnet.net!iagnet.net!ihug.co.nz!clear.net.nz!news.hn.netlink.co.nz!waikato!butting David Ecale (ecale@sgi.com) wrote: >A recent article in the press listed one of the fallouts of Y2K as >an inability to verify "00" expiration dates on credit cards as valid >by point-of-sale register systems. The example given was Godiva >Chocolate Co. with 150, or so, stores. The solution, until software >can be updated, is for the clerks to hand enter the data & manually >"ok" the transaction. Recent? I first encountered this in February/March of '96 (and posted 20/9/96 to this same group), in situations where the card is presented as ID to back up a cheque. Instead of swiping the card and having the details printed on the back of the cheque (I assume other locales do something similar?), the details must be handwritten on the back. This is, AFAIK, a problem in all till software in all installations in the country; 22 months after the problem first manifested, it's yet to be fixed. Although (and this is the amusing part) banks are issuing cards with shorter lifetimes - the card I mentioned in '96 had an '00 expiry; a replacement (dead stripe) card I received more recently has a '98 replacement. American Express are taking the right approach, here. >Note that this is a problem with small-to-midsized companies with >their own "magnetic" swipe equipment attached to their register >systems. ... And major supermarkets and retail chains... butting (dammit, this code was written in the NINETIES.) -- Bryce Utting http://www.cs.waikato.ac.nz/~butting the cross before me, the world behind me no turning back ###### From: "Julian Thomas" Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Y2K strikes again Date: Thu, 08 Jan 98 18:59:20 -0500 Organization: epix Internet Services Lines: 20 Message-ID: <34b568ac$2$wg$mr2ice@news.epix.net> References: <34acdb9f.0@news.wincom.net> <389.306T1350T7484695@sky.bus.com> <34B27C37.446B@sgi.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: tmbg-115ppp54.epix.net X-Newsreader: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v1.44 b44 Path: ccw.ch!aetna.dolphins.ch!news.planetc.com!news-xfer.siscom.net!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-backup-west.sprintlink.net!news-in-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!199.224.117.12!news2.epix.net!news1.epix.net!not-for-mail In , on 01/08/98 at 12:08 AM, butting@cs.waikato.ac.nz (Bryce Utting) said: >>A recent article in the press listed one of the fallouts of Y2K as >>an inability to verify "00" expiration dates on credit cards as valid >>by point-of-sale register Indeed. MCI is amongst those who can't deal with a /00 expiration date; I had to use a different card for my MCIMAIL account. They really should know better! -- Julian & Mary Jane Thomas jt@epix.net http://www.epix.net/~jt In the beautiful Finger Lakes Wine Country of New York State! -------------------------------------------------- Borrow money from pessimists--they don't expect it back. ###### From: TonyLima@ms.spacebbs.com (Tony Lima) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Y2K strikes again Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 06:13:42 GMT Organization: Nope, none Lines: 33 Sender: @207.204.228.201 Message-ID: <34b93e05.23691569@news.spacebbs.com> References: <34acdb9f.0@news.wincom.net> <389.306T1350T7484695@sky.bus.com> <34B27C37.446B@sgi.com> Reply-To: TonyLima@ms.spacebbs.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 8852@207.204.228.201 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/16.451 Path: ccw.ch!aetna.dolphins.ch!news.planetc.com!newsfeed.usit.net!news-dc-3.sprintlink.net!news-dc-1.sprintlink.net!news-east.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!news.maxwell.syr.edu!Supernews60!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail On Tue, 06 Jan 1998 12:47:19 -0600, David Ecale wrote: >Charlie Gibbs wrote: >> >> In article <34acdb9f.0@news.wincom.net> foxvideo@wincom.net >> (Charles E. Fox) writes: >> >> >The Province of Ontario can no longer sell two year car licenses >> >because their computer can't think that far ahead. >> >> Either that or they're looking for a convenient excuse to stop >> offering two-year licences. >> >> -- >> cgibbs@sky.bus.com (Charlie Gibbs) >> Remove the first period after the "at" sign to reply. > >A recent article in the press listed one of the fallouts of Y2K as >an inability to verify "00" expiration dates on credit cards as valid >by point-of-sale register systems. The example given was Godiva >Chocolate Co. with 150, or so, stores. The solution, until software >can be updated, is for the clerks to hand enter the data & manually >"ok" the transaction. > >Note that this is a problem with small-to-midsized companies with >their own "magnetic" swipe equipment attached to their register >systems. ... Heck, this happened to the university at which I teach. Their automated registration system flatly refused to accept payment of tuition and fees from credit cards that ended in 00. The problem was fixed reasonably fast... - Tony ###### From: Steve Dover Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers,comp.software.year-2000 Subject: Re: Y2K strikes again Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 18:16:16 -0600 Organization: Are you kidding? Lines: 8 Message-ID: <34BC03D0.63E226D9@strata-group.Xcom> References: <34acdb9f.0@news.wincom.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: gatekeeper.strata-group.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) Path: ccw.ch!aetna.dolphins.ch!news.planetc.com!atl-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!howland.erols.net!newsout-2.starnet.net!news.starnet.net!not-for-mail Charles E. Fox wrote: > > The Province of Ontario can no longer sell two year car licenses > because their computer can't think that far ahead. > > Charlie Fox Do you have a URL for this? ###### From: "Mike Fletcher, HighSpin" Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers,comp.software.year-2000 Subject: Re: Y2K strikes again Date: 15 Jan 1998 02:40:31 GMT Organization: ACC TelEnterprises Ltd. Lines: 24 Message-ID: <01bd215f$0679d7a0$d9d89a8e@mikeflet> References: <34acdb9f.0@news.wincom.net> <34BC03D0.63E226D9@strata-group.Xcom> NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp-217.m2-3.ott.ican.net X-Trace: news.ican.net 884832031 10124 (None) 142.154.216.217 X-Complaints-To: usenet@news.ican.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Path: ccw.ch!aetna.dolphins.ch!news.planetc.com!leto.ou.edu!news.onenet.net!news.oru.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.wli.net!feed.nntp.acc.ca!204.92.54.104.MISMATCH!news.ican.net!not-for-mail From the sources I know, in fact about the only system that the province of Ontario HAS made Y2K compliant is the license system. I have now twice heard a presentation on the windowing system they have successfuully installed, as well as meeting a rep from the company that did the work. OTOH, this is the ONLY news I have heard abour ANY of the Y2K work that the Province of Ontario is doing...... Fletch Steve Dover wrote in article <34BC03D0.63E226D9@strata-group.Xcom>... > Charles E. Fox wrote: > > > > The Province of Ontario can no longer sell two year car licenses > > because their computer can't think that far ahead. > > > > Charlie Fox > > Do you have a URL for this? > ###### From: "D. Scott Secor" Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers,comp.software.year-2000 References: <34acdb9f.0@news.wincom.net> <34BC03D0.63E226D9@strata-group.Xcom> <01bd215f$0679d7a0$d9d89a8e@mikeflet> Subject: Re: Y2K strikes again Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 12:38:21 -0600 Lines: 9 Organization: Bon Bahn Communications MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 NNTP-Posting-Host: dialup181.mn.uswest.net Message-ID: <34be599e.0@news3.uswest.net> Path: ccw.ch!aetna.dolphins.ch!news.planetc.com!newsfeed.usit.net!newspeer.monmouth.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!su-news-feed4.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed1.uswest.net!news3.uswest.net!dialup181.mn.uswest.net It's good to know that our brothers and sisters to the North will be in the same barrel of manure -- every bit as deeply -- as we Americans. Welcome to the 21st Century, eh! Ciao, Scott "downsize gov't., ignore Y2K" Secor ###### From: writer1@Eng.Sun.COM (Bob Morrisette) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Y2K strikes again Date: 15 Jan 1998 21:17:42 GMT Organization: Sun Microsystems Inc. Lines: 18 Message-ID: <69ludm$9is$1@engnews2.Eng.Sun.COM> References: <34BC03D0.63E226D9@strata-group.Xcom> Reply-To: writer1@Eng.Sun.COM NNTP-Posting-Host: sabu.eng.sun.com Path: ccw.ch!aetna.dolphins.ch!news.planetc.com!newsfeed.usit.net!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!venus.sun.com!news2me.EBay.Sun.COM!engnews2.Eng.Sun.COM!not-for-mail In article 63E226D9@strata-group.Xcom, Steve Dover writes: > Charles E. Fox wrote: > > > > The Province of Ontario can no longer sell two year car licenses > > because their computer can't think that far ahead. > > > > Charlie Fox > IBM said that their 40 3083 mainframes in the air traffic control system probably cannot handle the year 2000. The FAA is working on it, but they had a late start. Bob Morrisette ###### From: kreskin@rocketmail.com Subject: Re: Y2K strikes again Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 05:53:32 -0600 Message-ID: <884867665.1349255170@dejanews.com> Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers,comp.software.year-2000 Organization: Deja News Posting Service References: <34acdb9f.0@news.wincom.net> <34BC03D0.63E226D9@strata-group.Xcom> <01bd215f$0679d7a0$d9d89a8e@mikeflet> X-Article-Creation-Date: Thu Jan 15 12:34:25 1998 GMT X-Authenticated-Sender: kreskin@rocketmail.com X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/3.0C-E-KIT (Win16; I) X-Originating-IP-Addr: 198.103.134.129 () Path: ccw.ch!aetna.dolphins.ch!news.planetc.com!newsfeed.usit.net!newsxfer.visi.net!news.idt.net!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!207.207.0.25!nntp.texas.net!nntp2.dejanews.com!grunt.dejanews.com!not-for-mail Lines: 43 In article <01bd215f$0679d7a0$d9d89a8e@mikeflet>, "Mike Fletcher, HighSpin" wrote: > > From the sources I know, in fact about the only system that the province of > Ontario HAS made Y2K compliant is the license system. I have now twice > heard a presentation on the windowing system they have successfuully > installed, as well as meeting a rep from the company that did the work. You are absolutely correct Fletch (about the driver license/vehicle registration system being Y2k compliant). In the early 1990's, the interprovincial body (the name escapes me) that coordinates the efforts of the licensing/registration authorities of each province dictated that all provincial systems be made compliant. While some provinces encountered some glitches recently (event horizons, such as expiry dates, being encountered) due to insufficient testing, the systems of all provinces have been Y2k capable, including inter-system data exchange, for at least a couple of years now. Kreskin (I was stuck dealing with the 'glitches' of one provinces' licensing/registration systems back in 1996 and I'm proud to say that I was NOT on the design/development team of that system) > > OTOH, this is the ONLY news I have heard abour ANY of the Y2K work that the > Province of Ontario is doing...... > > Fletch > > Steve Dover wrote in article > <34BC03D0.63E226D9@strata-group.Xcom>... > > Charles E. Fox wrote: > > > > > > The Province of Ontario can no longer sell two year car > licenses > > > because their computer can't think that far ahead. > > > > > > Charlie Fox > > > > Do you have a URL for this? > > -------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====----------------------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Post to Usenet ###### From: cbbrowne@news.hex.net (Christopher Browne) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers,comp.software.year-2000 Subject: Re: Y2K strikes again Date: 17 Jan 1998 15:03:33 GMT Organization: Hex.Net Superhighway, DFW Metroplex 817-329-3182 Lines: 14 Message-ID: <69qh85$9dj$9@blue.hex.net> References: <34acdb9f.0@news.wincom.net> <34BC03D0.63E226D9@strata-group.Xcom> <01bd215f$0679d7a0$d9d89a8e@mikeflet> <884867665.1349255170@dejanews.com> Reply-To: cbbrowne@hex.net NNTP-Posting-Host: gvtx254.hex.net X-Newsreader: slrn (0.9.4.3 Windows) Path: ccw.ch!aetna.dolphins.ch!news.planetc.com!blue.hex.net!cbbrowne In article <01bd215f$0679d7a0$d9d89a8e@mikeflet>, > "Mike Fletcher, HighSpin" wrote: > OTOH, this is the ONLY news I have heard abour ANY of the Y2K work that the > Province of Ontario is doing...... I did some work at a government department that no longer exists (AFAIK); the PC-based software was about 5 years old, and would have to be replaced due to Y2K. Happily, the group was "downsized," 20-odd people were added to the EI rolls, and no rework was necessary... -- Windows '95 - A 32 bit patch for a 16 bit interface to an 8 bit OS designed for a 4 bit chip. cbbrowne@hex.net - ###### From: Wess@gtii.com (Wes Szumera) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Y2K strikes again Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 13:42:44 GMT Organization: All USENET -- http://www.Supernews.com Lines: 15 Approved: CIA@FBI.MIL Message-ID: <69t15g$t4t@usenet44.supernews.com> References: <34BC03D0.63E226D9@strata-group.Xcom> <69ludm$9is$1@engnews2.Eng.Sun.COM> Reply-To: Wess@gtii.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.154.70.151 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 Path: ccw.ch!aetna.dolphins.ch!news.planetc.com!news-xfer.siscom.net!peerfeed.ncal.verio.net!Supernews60!supernews.com!Supernews69!news writer1@Eng.Sun.COM (Bob Morrisette) wrote: [snip] >IBM said that their 40 3083 mainframes in the air traffic control >system probably cannot handle the year 2000. The FAA is working on >it, but they had a late start. I told my boss that I'm not flying anywhere dec 99 - jan 00. He just looked at me funny. Didn't IBM provide new computers emulating the ancient stuff because the old stuff repair people were all retiring? I heard the emulation approach was much quicker than trying to port old code. Wes ###### Path: ccw.ch!usenet From: Neil.Franklin.remove.this@ccw.ch Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Y2K strikes again Date: 19 Jan 1998 19:11:00 +0100 Organization: My own Private Self Lines: 16 Message-ID: <3eiktjuz.fsf@chonsp.franklin.lugs.ch> References: <34acdb9f.0@news.wincom.net> <34BC03D0.63E226D9@strata-group.Xcom> <01bd215f$0679d7a0$d9d89a8e@mikeflet> <884867665.1349255170@dejanews.com> <69qh85$9dj$9@blue.hex.net> X-Newsreader: Gnus v5.3/Emacs 19.34 cbbrowne@news.hex.net (Christopher Browne) has in his Sig: >Windows '95 - A 32 bit patch for a 16 bit interface to an 8 bit OS >designed for a 4 bit chip. The full text of that one is: Win*ows 95: n. 32 bit extensions and a graphical shell for a 16 bit patch to an 8 bit operating system originally coded for a 4 bit microprocessor, written by a 2 bit company that can't stand 1 bit of competition. -Rev. Pee Kitty -- Neil.Franklin.remove.this@ccw.ch, http://www.ccw.ch/Neil.Franklin/ for Geek Code, Papernet, Voicenet, PGP public key see http: Mac, 95 and NT users are CLUEless (Command Line User Environment) If I go missing, its once again my newsfeed that has craped ###### From: jav-2@world.net.att.net (John Varela) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Y2K strikes again Date: 19 Jan 1998 22:07:59 GMT Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 37 Message-ID: <6a0irv$ilr@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net> References: <34BC03D0.63E226D9@strata-group.Xcom> <69ludm$9is$1@engnews2.Eng.Sun.COM> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.68.75.23 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Newsreader: ProNews/2 Version 1.00 Path: ccw.ch!aetna.dolphins.ch!news.planetc.com!leto.ou.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!206.229.87.25!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!worldnet.att.net!newsadm On Thu, 15 Jan 1998 21:17:42, writer1@Eng.Sun.COM (Bob Morrisette) wrote: > IBM said that their 40 3083 mainframes in the air traffic control > system probably cannot handle the year 2000. The FAA is working on > it, but they had a late start. Those systemns were developed by FSD and everybody at IBM who ever knew anything about air traffic control is today either retired or a Lockheed Martin employee. In other words: ignore anything IBM says about the ATC system real time software. Further to that: a couple of years ago it occured to me to wonder about the aTC system and Y2K so I asked a friend and former controller who was (and is) currently programming for the en route ATC system what about it? The only thing I could think of in the operational system that would use dates is the airline flight plan bulk store program [1], but my friend asked around and confirmed that all the system knows about is days of the week and time of day. No use for year. It could be, however, that some of the utility and support software (maintenance scheduling, parts inventory, and like that) has a Y2K problem. I wouldn't know about that. But that isn't going to crash airplanes in real time. John Varela (delete . between world and net to e-mail me) [1] Air carriers can submit their flight plans in advance on mag tape [2], so the flight plans needn't be typed in real time. [2] I'm sadly uncurrent on the bulk store program and for all I know they may be able to establish on-line links these days.