From: TonyLima@ms.spacebbs.com (Tony Lima) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: How is "DOS" pronounced? Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 17:11:01 GMT Organization: Nope, none Lines: 10 Sender: @207.204.228.203 Message-ID: <349c58e3.8912789@news.spacebbs.com> References: <3488B8CB.6334@cisco.com> <3498e4de.0@comnet.co.nz> Reply-To: TonyLima@ms.spacebbs.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 2332@207.204.228.203 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/16.451 Path: ccw.ch!aetna.dolphins.ch!news.planetc.com!atl-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!Supernews60!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail On 18 Dec 97 08:54:54 GMT, gmiller@inca.co.nz (Gaven Miller) wrote: >How is "DOS" pronounced? > >"doss" (although some might insert an "r", to make it "dross") My dad, visiting me this week, insists on pronouncing it "dose." At his age, I'm not gonna try to get him to change! - Tony ###### From: bmwt@pas.rochester.edu Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: How is "DOS" pronounced? Date: 18 Dec 1997 19:03:08 GMT Organization: University of Rochester Lines: 21 Sender: Brendan M. White Message-ID: <67bs1c$91b17@biko.cc.rochester.edu> References: <3488B8CB.6334@cisco.com> <3498e4de.0@comnet.co.nz> <349c58e3.8912789@news.spacebbs.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: bullwinkle.pas.rochester.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [UNIX 1.3 unoff BETA 970731; sun4u SunOS 5.5.1] Path: ccw.ch!aetna.dolphins.ch!news.planetc.com!leto.ou.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!205.252.116.205!howland.erols.net!news.starnet.net!newspump.wustl.edu!biko.cc.rochester.edu!not-for-mail Tony Lima wrote: > >How is "DOS" pronounced? > > > >"doss" (although some might insert an "r", to make it "dross") > My dad, visiting me this week, insists on pronouncing it > "dose." At his age, I'm not gonna try to get him to change! Nono- he was saying what you have to do to deal with dos. You need to dose. -b -- -- Brendan White SysAdmin, University of Rochester NIR bmwt@pasdotrochesterdotedu ###### From: genew@vip.net (Gene Wirchenko) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: How is "DOS" pronounced? Date: Fri, 19 Dec 1997 18:02:43 GMT Organization: All USENET -- http://www.Supernews.com Lines: 28 Message-ID: <349a2a04.6384445@news.vip.net> References: <3488B8CB.6334@cisco.com> <3498e4de.0@comnet.co.nz> <349c58e3.8912789@news.spacebbs.com> Reply-To: genew@vip.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 25166@204.209.212.38 X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/32.230 Path: ccw.ch!aetna.dolphins.ch!news.planetc.com!leto.ou.edu!news.ecn.uoknor.edu!news.wildstar.net!cancer.vividnet.com!recycled.news.erols.com!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.direct.ca!Supernews60!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail gberigan@cse.unl.edu (Greg Berigan) wrote: >TonyLima@ms.spacebbs.com wrote: >>gmiller@inca.co.nz (Gaven Miller) wrote: > >>> How is "DOS" pronounced? >>> >>> "doss" (although some might insert an "r", to make it "dross") > >> My dad, visiting me this week, insists on pronouncing it >> "dose." At his age, I'm not gonna try to get him to change! > >doss, dose, doze, deuce, dues... > >There is a valid English word spelled the same way as DOS. It means feces >and pronouced like "dues". There is also an English word "doss" pronounced the same way as DOS. It means to go to sleep. Either way, DOS doesn't seem to be keeping good company. Sincerely, Gene Wirchenko C Pronunciation Guide: y=x++; "wye equals ex plus plus semicolon" x=x++; "ex equals ex doublecross semicolon" ###### From: boba4@ma.ultranet.com (Bob) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: How is "DOS" pronounced? Date: Sun, 21 Dec 1997 09:28:27 GMT Organization: UltraNet Communications, Inc. http://www.ultranet.com/ Lines: 12 Message-ID: <349cdf98.440910397@news.ma.ultranet.com> References: <3488B8CB.6334@cisco.com> <3498e4de.0@comnet.co.nz> NNTP-Posting-Host: d6.dial-16.mbo.ma.ultra.net X-Complaints-To: abuse@ultra.net X-Ultra-Time: 21 Dec 1997 09:25:21 GMT X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Path: ccw.ch!aetna.dolphins.ch!news.planetc.com!leto.ou.edu!news.ecn.uoknor.edu!news.eng.convex.com!newsgate.duke.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!newsrelay.netins.net!newsfeed.dacom.co.kr!news-feed.inet.tele.dk!bofh.vszbr.cz!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsxfer3.itd.umich.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!nntp.cs.ubc.ca!news.ultranet.com!not-for-mail >How is "DOS" pronounced? Jeez, didn't nunna youz meatballs take no English in school? Breakin' down the participals youz got your tree basic tenses of da woid: Dese Dem DOS Bob ------------------------------------------------------- I autta give youz guys a dope slap. ###### From: farsideNOSPAMPLEASE@us.ibm.com Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: How is "DOS" pronounced? Date: 23 Dec 1997 16:32:03 GMT Organization: ISSC South Region, RTP, NC Lines: 14 Message-ID: <67op23$1fus$2@rtpnews.raleigh.ibm.com> References: <3488B8CB.6334@cisco.com> <3498e4de.0@comnet.co.nz> Reply-To: sdaksNOSPAM@us.ibm.com NNTP-Posting-Host: farside.bocaraton.ibm.com X-Newsreader: IBM NewsReader/2 v1.4 Path: ccw.ch!aetna.dolphins.ch!news.planetc.com!newsfeed.usit.net!news.he.net!Supernews60!supernews.com!uunet!in5.uu.net!fox.almaden.ibm.com!mdnews.btv.ibm.com!rtpnews.raleigh.ibm.com!not-for-mail In <3498e4de.0@comnet.co.nz>, gmiller@inca.co.nz (Gaven Miller) writes: >How is "DOS" pronounced? > >"doss" (although some might insert an "r", to make it "dross") Really. Are you sure? I recall a tech support story about the guy who called in asking for his book of Don'ts. The tech support person said, "Huh? What are you talking about? We don't have a book of don'ts" "They gave me this book of "Do's", why isn't there a book of Don'ts." I prefer to use the conventional DOS sounds like BOSS pronounciation. ###### From: cbh@REMOVE_THIS.teabag.demon.co.uk (Chris Hedley) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: How is "DOS" pronounced? Date: 23 Dec 1997 21:58:28 GMT Organization: teabag Message-ID: <67pc64$b1j$5@teabag.demon.co.uk> References: <657n9h$an3@netaxs.com> <3478afc5.10767740@news.compuserve.com> <65f98a$b24$2@news3.texas.net> <1046.268T722T9693623@sky.bus.com> <1077.270T153T6983178@sky.bus.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost X-NNTP-Posting-Host: teabag.demon.co.uk [193.237.4.110] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Newsreader: knews 0.9.8 Lines: 15 Path: ccw.ch!aetna.dolphins.ch!news.planetc.com!newsfeed.usit.net!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!europa.clark.net!152.158.16.55!newsfeed2.uk.ibm.net!ibm.net!newsgate.cistron.nl!het.net!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!xs4all!bullseye.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!teabag.demon.co.uk!not-for-mail In article <1077.270T153T6983178@sky.bus.com>, "Charlie Gibbs" writes: > Heck, if I'm feeling violent I'll refer to #!* as "pound bang splat". "hash-exclamation mark-asterisk?" Perhaps I just lack imagination. > Is anyone else pissed off at the way various companies have started > abusing punctuation? Enough, for instance, to pronounce SQL*Forms > as "squeal splat forms"? Dunno about all that, but one of my pet hates is when people refer to SQL as "sequel." Argh! As far as I'm concerned, it's "ess-queue-ell," except for pointy-haired clueless fuckwit project-managers. Chris. ###### From: cbh@REMOVE_THIS.teabag.demon.co.uk (Chris Hedley) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: How is "DOS" pronounced? Date: 23 Dec 1997 22:05:29 GMT Organization: teabag Message-ID: <67pcj9$b1j$6@teabag.demon.co.uk> References: <657n9h$an3@netaxs.com> <3481fc67.0@royan.d-n-a.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost X-NNTP-Posting-Host: teabag.demon.co.uk [193.237.4.110] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Newsreader: knews 0.9.8 Lines: 14 Path: ccw.ch!aetna.dolphins.ch!news.planetc.com!newsfeed.usit.net!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!wuff.mayn.de!cosy.sbg.ac.at!News.Amsterdam.UnisourceCS!amsterdam.news.unisource.nl!gate.news.unisource.nl!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!xs4all!bullseye.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!teabag.demon.co.uk!not-for-mail In article <3481fc67.0@royan.d-n-a.net>, mjc@number8.dnet.co.uk (Michael Comiskey) writes: >>S/360 DOS--letters or the word? > DOS - dos; OS/360 - oh ess three sixty I've often seen these slashes the wrong way around (eg VM\ESA) -- is this the original intent, or is it just PC-weenies getting it wrong? >>CICS--always as individual letters. > Any time I've heard it its been pronounced like "kicks" Same here, Daddio. Chris. ###### From: "Carl R. Friend" Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: How is "DOS" pronounced? Date: Wed, 24 Dec 1997 07:59:35 -0500 Organization: as little as possible! Lines: 25 Message-ID: <34A10737.1A4BF8A6@stoneweb.com> References: <657n9h$an3@netaxs.com> <3478afc5.10767740@news.compuserve.com> <65f98a$b24$2@news3.texas.net> <1046.268T722T9693623@sky.bus.com> <1077.270T153T6983178@sky.bus.com> <67pc64$b1j$5@teabag.demon.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: zephyr.ultranet.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: abuse@ultra.net X-Ultra-Time: 24 Dec 1997 12:59:48 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (X11; I; Linux 2.0.29 i586) Path: ccw.ch!aetna.dolphins.ch!news.planetc.com!news-xfer.siscom.net!news.abs.net!newsxfer.visi.net!news-out.internetmci.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!206.229.87.25!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-sea-19.sprintlink.net!news-in-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!199.232.56.18!news.ultranet.com!not-for-mail Chris Hedley, in article nr. <67pc64$b1j$5@teabag.demon.co.uk>, wrote: > > Dunno about all that, but one of my pet hates is when people refer to > SQL as "sequel." Argh! As far as I'm concerned, it's > "ess-queue-ell," except for pointy-haired clueless fuckwit > project-managers. If they're pronouncing it "sequel" they're showing an IBM back- ground. If they're pronouncing it "squeal", they tend to have UNIX backgrounds. At least that's the way it seems in my little corner of the US. In any event, it is an abbreviation not an acronym but with all the alphabet soup we get in computers, most of us try to use pronouncable renditions of most of the soup. -- ______________________________________________________________________ | | | | Carl Richard Friend (UNIX Sysadmin) | West Boylston | | Minicomputer Collector / Enthusiast | Massachusetts, USA | | mailto:carl.friend@stoneweb.com | | | http://www.ultranet.com/~engelbrt/carl/museum | ICBM: N42:22 W71:47 | |________________________________________________|_____________________| ###### Date: 24 Dec 97 10:51:37 -0800 From: "Charlie Gibbs" Subject: Re: How is "DOS" pronounced? References: <657n9h$an3@netaxs.com> <3481fc67.0@royan.d-n-a.net> <67pcj9$b1j$6@teabag.demon.co.uk> <67rcsd$t4t@sifon.cc.mcgill.ca> Message-ID: <870.297T1891T6515112@sky.bus.com> Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Lines: 22 X-Newsreader: THOR 2.5a (Amiga;TCP/IP) NNTP-Posting-Host: news.skybus.com Path: ccw.ch!aetna.dolphins.ch!news.planetc.com!newsfeed.usit.net!news-out.internetmci.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!164.67.42.145!awabi.library.ucla.edu!128.2.232.127!nntp.club.cc.cmu.edu!pitt.edu!dsinc!nntp.upenn.edu!news.misty.com!news-feed.inet.tele.dk!bofh.vszbr.cz!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-sea-19.sprintlink.net!news-in-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!204.244.4.2!news.westel.com!news.skybus.com!204.244.247.112 In article <67rcsd$t4t@sifon.cc.mcgill.ca> raphael@cs.mcgill.ca (Louis RAPHAEL) writes: >Actually, the other thing that irks me (on usenet/e-mail) is folks who >dno't cut off lines at 80 columns, and send complete paragraphs as one >line, or (even worse) cut them off at ~100 columns. I still haven't >figured out why the windoze software lets them do this. Because when that same Windoze software receives such messages or e-mail it sorts it out again. Bill's minions remain in blissful ignorance (their normal state), while the rest of us get pissed off. The other thing that Windoze software does is go nuts with the quoted-printable stuff, to the extent of leaving equals signs at the end of each line. I wish I could configure my newsreader to kill all that stuff... -- cgibbs@sky.bus.com (Charlie Gibbs) Remove the first period after the "at" sign to reply. ###### From: Louis RAPHAEL Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: How is "DOS" pronounced? Date: 24 Dec 1997 16:22:37 GMT Organization: SOCS, McGill University, Montreal, Canada Lines: 20 Message-ID: <67rcsd$t4t@sifon.cc.mcgill.ca> References: <657n9h$an3@netaxs.com> <3481fc67.0@royan.d-n-a.net> <67pcj9$b1j$6@teabag.demon.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: willy.cs.mcgill.ca User-Agent: tin/pre-1.4-971127 (UNIX) (SunOS/4.1.4 (sun4m)) Path: ccw.ch!aetna.dolphins.ch!news.planetc.com!atl-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news1.bellglobal.com!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!news.mcgill.ca!cs.mcgill.ca!raphael Chris Hedley wrote: : I've often seen these slashes the wrong way around (eg VM\ESA) -- is this : the original intent, or is it just PC-weenies getting it wrong? That, in my opinion, is one of the most annoying things! I don't think that anything on a written document irks me more than seeing an "and\or" or some similar construction. The way some people don't care, don't notice and don't know really gets to me, sometimes. I'm quite convinced that it usually is the result of people not knowing the difference, and finding the \ key before the / key. Actually, the other thing that irks me (on usenet/e-mail) is folks who dno't cut off lines at 80 columns, and send complete paragraphs as one line, or (even worse) cut them off at ~100 columns. I still haven't figured out why the windoze software lets them do this. Louis ###### Path: ccw.ch!usenet From: Neil.Franklin (remove .nospam) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: How is "DOS" pronounced? Date: 24 Dec 1997 22:01:27 +0100 Organization: My own Private Self Lines: 24 Message-ID: <4t3y5uc8.fsf@chonsp.franklin.lugs.ch> References: <657n9h$an3@netaxs.com> <3478afc5.10767740@news.compuserve.com> <65f98a$b24$2@news3.texas.net> <1046.268T722T9693623@sky.bus.com> <1077.270T153T6983178@sky.bus.com> <67pc64$b1j$5@teabag.demon.co.uk> <34A10737.1A4BF8A6@stoneweb.com> X-Newsreader: Gnus v5.3/Emacs 19.34 Chris Hedley, in article nr. <67pc64$b1j$5@teabag.demon.co.uk>, wrote: > Dunno about all that, but one of my pet hates is when people refer to > SQL as "sequel." Argh! As far as I'm concerned, it's > "ess-queue-ell," except for pointy-haired clueless fuckwit > project-managers. "Carl R. Friend" > If they're pronouncing it "sequel" they're showing an IBM back- > ground. If they're pronouncing it "squeal", they tend to have UNIX > backgrounds. SQL had an IBM-internal (or did it see the light of day?) ancestor called Sequel. I assume thet was meant as "sequel to hierarchical". "Carl R. Friend" > In any event, it is an abbreviation not an acronym but with all > the alphabet soup we get in computers, most of us try to use > pronouncable renditions of most of the soup. Not an acronym? IMHO it is, stands for Structured Query Language. -- Neil.Franklin.nospam@ccw.ch (remove .nospam), http://www.ccw.ch/Neil.Franklin/ for Geek Code, Papernet, Voicenet, PGP public key see http: Any computer, that is running optimally, is outdated; including my Cx486 ###### Message-ID: <34A23BB8.391AB879@mid-tn.com> From: JL Culp X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: How is "DOS" pronounced? References: <3488B8CB.6334@cisco.com> <3498e4de.0@comnet.co.nz> <349c58e3.8912789@news.spacebbs.com> <565.291T251T6883276@sky.bus.com> <67fi86$4br$2@news1.teleport.com> <67h52u$l87$1@news3.tufts.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 6 Date: Thu, 25 Dec 1997 10:55:42 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: host-209-138-4-113.bna.bellsouth.net NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 25 Dec 1997 05:55:42 EST Path: ccw.ch!aetna.dolphins.ch!news.planetc.com!leto.ou.edu!news.ecn.uoknor.edu!news.wildstar.net!newsfeed.direct.ca!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!atl.bellsouth.net!news1.atl.bellsouth.net.POSTED!not-for-mail > Boy, anti-Microsoft jokes never grow old, do they? When a company becomes nothing more than an old joke, then jokes about the company never get old. JL Culp Consultant Middle Tn. Info. Services http://www.mid-tn.com ###### From: Louis RAPHAEL Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: How is "DOS" pronounced? Date: 25 Dec 1997 15:57:27 GMT Organization: SOCS, McGill University, Montreal, Canada Lines: 34 Message-ID: <67tvp7$28n@sifon.cc.mcgill.ca> References: <657n9h$an3@netaxs.com> <3481fc67.0@royan.d-n-a.net> <67pcj9$b1j$6@teabag.demon.co.uk> <67rcsd$t4t@sifon.cc.mcgill.ca> <870.297T1891T6515112@sky.bus.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: willy.cs.mcgill.ca User-Agent: tin/pre-1.4-971127 (UNIX) (SunOS/4.1.4 (sun4m)) Path: ccw.ch!aetna.dolphins.ch!news.planetc.com!leto.ou.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!news.mcgill.ca!cs.mcgill.ca!raphael Charlie Gibbs wrote: : Because when that same Windoze software receives such messages or : e-mail it sorts it out again. Bill's minions remain in blissful : ignorance (their normal state), while the rest of us get pissed : off. Surely that explains it (I wouldn't know, I've never used a Windoze newsreader or mailer). Got to love that attitude - we come here after you guys, then we do things our way... One still wonders just *why* it was so hard for them to program said newsreader to do it the right way - my guess is that they never bothered to figure out standard conventions first, from the way you're talking... :-( : The other thing that Windoze software does is go nuts with the : quoted-printable stuff, to the extent of leaving equals signs : at the end of each line. Is that why you see those things? I'd never figured out where they came from. I remember that they would be quite an annoyance when I moderated a mailing-list (fortunately, a command of the :%s/=$//g" variety will plonk them). Another really bad thing was the mangling "performed" by x400 gateways, I found. : I wish I could configure my newsreader to kill all that stuff... Actually, I once found that there was a good correlation between incoming spam and incoming messages with long lines and/or badly broken paragraphs (no indentation or skipped line). At one point, I even made a small program to count the number of such occurences, and assign a "spam score" to them. That being said, traditional filters are vastly superior at catching spam, but still... Louis ###### From: genew@vip.net (Gene Wirchenko) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: How is "DOS" pronounced? Date: Thu, 25 Dec 1997 18:56:39 GMT Organization: All USENET -- http://www.Supernews.com Lines: 34 Message-ID: <34a1ddc6.32686862@news.vip.net> References: <657n9h$an3@netaxs.com> <3478afc5.10767740@news.compuserve.com> <65f98a$b24$2@news3.texas.net> <1046.268T722T9693623@sky.bus.com> <1077.270T153T6983178@sky.bus.com> <67pc64$b1j$5@teabag.demon.co.uk> Reply-To: genew@vip.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 19070@204.209.212.23 X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/32.230 Path: ccw.ch!aetna.dolphins.ch!news.planetc.com!leto.ou.edu!news.ecn.uoknor.edu!news.wildstar.net!newsfeed.direct.ca!Supernews60!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail cbh@REMOVE_THIS.teabag.demon.co.uk (Chris Hedley) wrote: >In article <1077.270T153T6983178@sky.bus.com>, > "Charlie Gibbs" writes: >> Heck, if I'm feeling violent I'll refer to #!* as "pound bang splat". > >"hash-exclamation mark-asterisk?" Perhaps I just lack imagination. > >> Is anyone else pissed off at the way various companies have started >> abusing punctuation? Enough, for instance, to pronounce SQL*Forms >> as "squeal splat forms"? > >Dunno about all that, but one of my pet hates is when people refer to >SQL as "sequel." Argh! As far as I'm concerned, it's "ess-queue-ell," >except for pointy-haired clueless fuckwit project-managers. Thank you for the promotion. I prefer shorter names and "sequel" is a syllable shorter. Now, about "CICS" (which you comment on in another subthread), what is the correct pronunciation for us "pointy-haired clueless fuckwit project-managers"? I'd naturally use the shorter form "kicks" than "see aye see es", but as you use "kicks", I'm confused. I wouldn't want to be confused with a flathead, rude, obnoxious, badboy programmer. Sincerely, Gene "You can call me 'sir' now." Wirchenko C Pronunciation Guide: y=x++; "wye equals ex plus plus semicolon" x=x++; "ex equals ex doublecross semicolon" ###### From: genew@vip.net (Gene Wirchenko) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: How is "DOS" pronounced? Date: Thu, 25 Dec 1997 18:56:41 GMT Organization: All USENET -- http://www.Supernews.com Lines: 36 Message-ID: <34a1df45.33069394@news.vip.net> References: <657n9h$an3@netaxs.com> <3481fc67.0@royan.d-n-a.net> <67pcj9$b1j$6@teabag.demon.co.uk> <67rcsd$t4t@sifon.cc.mcgill.ca> <870.297T1891T6515112@sky.bus.com> Reply-To: genew@vip.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 19070@204.209.212.23 X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/32.230 Path: ccw.ch!aetna.dolphins.ch!news.planetc.com!leto.ou.edu!news.ecn.uoknor.edu!news.wildstar.net!newsfeed.direct.ca!Supernews60!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail "Charlie Gibbs" wrote: >In article <67rcsd$t4t@sifon.cc.mcgill.ca> raphael@cs.mcgill.ca (Louis >RAPHAEL) writes: > >>Actually, the other thing that irks me (on usenet/e-mail) is folks who >>dno't cut off lines at 80 columns, and send complete paragraphs as one >>line, or (even worse) cut them off at ~100 columns. I still haven't >>figured out why the windoze software lets them do this. > >Because when that same Windoze software receives such messages or >e-mail it sorts it out again. Bill's minions remain in blissful >ignorance (their normal state), while the rest of us get pissed >off. > >The other thing that Windoze software does is go nuts with the >quoted-printable stuff, to the extent of leaving equals signs >at the end of each line. Perhaps some of the ignorance is yours. I use a Windows system and my software doesn't do what you claim. If you got past your hissy fit against Microsoft, you might also consider the possibility that some non-Windows software does that, too. It does get rather tiring reading a rant against Microsoft that is largely invalid. >I wish I could configure my newsreader to kill all that stuff... Sincerely, Gene Wirchenko C Pronunciation Guide: y=x++; "wye equals ex plus plus semicolon" x=x++; "ex equals ex doublecross semicolon" ###### From: cbh@REMOVE_THIS.teabag.demon.co.uk (Chris Hedley) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: How is "DOS" pronounced? Date: 26 Dec 1997 17:13:21 GMT Organization: teabag Message-ID: <680ojh$p9$3@teabag.demon.co.uk> References: <657n9h$an3@netaxs.com> <3478afc5.10767740@news.compuserve.com> <65f98a$b24$2@news3.texas.net> <1046.268T722T9693623@sky.bus.com> <1077.270T153T6983178@sky.bus.com> <67pc64$b1j$5@teabag.demon.co.uk> <34a1ddc6.32686862@news.vip.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost X-NNTP-Posting-Host: teabag.demon.co.uk [193.237.4.110] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Newsreader: knews 0.9.8 Lines: 29 Path: ccw.ch!aetna.dolphins.ch!news.planetc.com!leto.ou.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!teabag.demon.co.uk!not-for-mail In article <34a1ddc6.32686862@news.vip.net>, genew@vip.net (Gene Wirchenko) writes: > Thank you for the promotion. > > I prefer shorter names and "sequel" is a syllable shorter. Now, > about "CICS" (which you comment on in another subthread), what is the > correct pronunciation for us "pointy-haired clueless fuckwit > project-managers"? I'd naturally use the shorter form "kicks" than > "see aye see es", but as you use "kicks", I'm confused. Generally, I don't really object to acronyms being contracted into some type of soundalike, it's just the SQL -> sequel bit that gets my goat. Probably because at the same point I was gaining my first exposure to it a few years ago, it became one of the trendy buzzwords oft embraced and overused by the clueless variety of project manager who hadn't a clue what it meant but liked a) the sound of their own voice, particularly when "enhanced" by said buzzwords, and b) formulating ways of wasting people's time by forcing the inappropriate use of these technologies. Er, hence the vitriol and stuff. > I wouldn't want to be confused with a flathead, rude, obnoxious, > badboy programmer. I was asking for that, I suppose. Anyway, I'm a "technical consultant," so there! :P (I would've used the wonderful term "software artiste," but, sadly, I have something of a problem with plagiarism -- I probably won't last long in this industry!) Chris. ###### From: cbh@REMOVE_THIS.teabag.demon.co.uk (Chris Hedley) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: How is "DOS" pronounced? Date: 26 Dec 1997 17:18:46 GMT Organization: teabag Message-ID: <680otm$p9$4@teabag.demon.co.uk> References: <657n9h$an3@netaxs.com> <3481fc67.0@royan.d-n-a.net> <67pcj9$b1j$6@teabag.demon.co.uk> <67rcsd$t4t@sifon.cc.mcgill.ca> <870.297T1891T6515112@sky.bus.com> <34a1df45.33069394@news.vip.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost X-NNTP-Posting-Host: teabag.demon.co.uk [193.237.4.110] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Newsreader: knews 0.9.8 Lines: 17 Path: ccw.ch!aetna.dolphins.ch!news.planetc.com!leto.ou.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!news.idt.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!teabag.demon.co.uk!not-for-mail In article <34a1df45.33069394@news.vip.net>, genew@vip.net (Gene Wirchenko) writes: > Perhaps some of the ignorance is yours. I use a Windows system > and my software doesn't do what you claim. If you got past your hissy > fit against Microsoft, you might also consider the possibility that > some non-Windows software does that, too. On the other hand, it is my experience that MS Windows applications, in this aspect as well as most others, do have a greater tendency than those written for other systems not to follow established standards but instead to attempt to retro-fit their own ideas and principles whenever they join an established user community. Whether this is because of what I perceive as arrogance by Microsoft and their fans, or whether it's just because the success and prevalence of their software has attracted a larger proportion of incompetent technical staff, I'm not sure. Perhaps both, maybe neither. Chris. ###### From: TonyLima@ms.spacebbs.com (Tony Lima) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: How is "DOS" pronounced? Date: Fri, 26 Dec 1997 18:04:42 GMT Organization: Nope, none Lines: 41 Sender: @207.204.228.203 Message-ID: <34a4e60e.9348949@news.spacebbs.com> References: <657n9h$an3@netaxs.com> <3481fc67.0@royan.d-n-a.net> <67pcj9$b1j$6@teabag.demon.co.uk> <67rcsd$t4t@sifon.cc.mcgill.ca> <870.297T1891T6515112@sky.bus.com> <34a1df45.33069394@news.vip.net> Reply-To: TonyLima@ms.spacebbs.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 18244@207.204.228.203 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/16.451 Path: ccw.ch!aetna.dolphins.ch!news.planetc.com!leto.ou.edu!news.onenet.net!news.ecn.uoknor.edu!solace!mn6.swip.net!nntp.uio.no!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!Supernews60!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail On Thu, 25 Dec 1997 18:56:41 GMT, genew@vip.net (Gene Wirchenko) wrote: >"Charlie Gibbs" wrote: > >>In article <67rcsd$t4t@sifon.cc.mcgill.ca> raphael@cs.mcgill.ca (Louis >>RAPHAEL) writes: >> >>>Actually, the other thing that irks me (on usenet/e-mail) is folks who >>>dno't cut off lines at 80 columns, and send complete paragraphs as one >>>line, or (even worse) cut them off at ~100 columns. I still haven't >>>figured out why the windoze software lets them do this. >> >>Because when that same Windoze software receives such messages or >>e-mail it sorts it out again. Bill's minions remain in blissful >>ignorance (their normal state), while the rest of us get pissed >>off. >> >>The other thing that Windoze software does is go nuts with the >>quoted-printable stuff, to the extent of leaving equals signs >>at the end of each line. > > Perhaps some of the ignorance is yours. I use a Windows system >and my software doesn't do what you claim. If you got past your hissy >fit against Microsoft, you might also consider the possibility that >some non-Windows software does that, too. > > It does get rather tiring reading a rant against Microsoft that >is largely invalid. Back in the days when there were WordPerfect users, the worst offenders on usenet seemed to be folks who used WordPerfect as their editor, but couldn't manage to figure out how to save a WP file as truly plain text. Many of the posts whose lines ended with =20 came from WP (if memory serves). AFAIK, WP has never been a Microsoft product. "It ain't the software, it's the luser at the keyboard." - anon. Tony ###### From: Ian Stirling <000034A4889F.NO_UCE@mauve.demon.co.uk> Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: How is "DOS" pronounced? Date: Sat, 27 Dec 1997 04:48:34 GMT Organization: None. Message-ID: <000034A4889F.NO_UCE@mauve.demon.co.uk> References: <657n9h$an3@netaxs.com> <3481fc67.0@royan.d-n-a.net> <67pcj9$b1j$6@teabag.demon.co.uk> <67rcsd$t4t@sifon.cc.mcgill.ca> <870.297T1891T6515112@sky.bus.com> <34a1df45.33069394@news.vip.net> <34a4e60e.9348949@news.spacebbs.com> X-Mail2News-User: Send.NO_UCE@mauve.demon.co.uk X-Mail2News-Path: post-20.mail.demon.net!post.mail.demon.net!mauve.demon.co.uk X-Trace: mail2news.demon.co.uk 883198153 13055 Send.NO_UCE mauve.demon.co.uk X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net User-Agent: tin/pre-1.4-971106 (UNIX) (Linux/2.0.30 (i486)) X-Note: Anti-UCE in effect, replying should work if you are not UCE'ng X-Warning0: For unsolicited commercial email, sent or causing to be sent to my email address X-Warning1: on this message, I reserve the right to levy a charge for my time and expenses X-Warning2: of up to 100 pounds sterling per message, plus legal, penalty or other costs. Lines: 45 Path: ccw.ch!aetna.dolphins.ch!news.planetc.com!leto.ou.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!news.maxwell.syr.edu!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!mail2news.demon.co.uk!mauve.demon.co.uk!000034A4889F.NO_UCE Tony Lima wrote: : On Thu, 25 Dec 1997 18:56:41 GMT, genew@vip.net (Gene : Wirchenko) wrote: :>"Charlie Gibbs" wrote: :> :>>In article <67rcsd$t4t@sifon.cc.mcgill.ca> raphael@cs.mcgill.ca (Louis :>>RAPHAEL) writes: :>> :>>>Actually, the other thing that irks me (on usenet/e-mail) is folks who :>>>dno't cut off lines at 80 columns, and send complete paragraphs as one :>>>line, or (even worse) cut them off at ~100 columns. I still haven't :>>>figured out why the windoze software lets them do this. :>> : Back in the days when there were WordPerfect users, the : worst offenders on usenet seemed to be folks who used : WordPerfect as their editor, but couldn't manage to figure : out how to save a WP file as truly plain text. Many of the : posts whose lines ended with =20 came from WP (if memory : serves). AFAIK, WP has never been a Microsoft product. I got bored, and wrote a couple of lines of code. One which found =20$'s in my news spool, the other looked for what posted them The results. In first place, with 80 posts, Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 In second place, maybe improved slightly, or with less users, 27 posts with Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 Microsoft hold 3rd and 4th and 6th too, with other versions of outlook, and internet news. In 5th is Free agent, and netscape takes up the rear, with 4 or 5 posts scattered among different versions. This was about 200K posts analysed, so maybe 250/day get posted. -- Ian Stirling. Designing a linux PDA, see http://www.mauve.demon.co.uk/ ----- ******* If replying by email, check notices in header ******* ----- He who lives in a glass house should not invite he who is without sin. ###### From: tangent@SPAMCATCHER.cyberport.com (Warren Young) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: How is "DOS" pronounced? Date: Sat, 27 Dec 1997 08:21:38 GMT Organization: none Lines: 32 Message-ID: <34a4b85f.599070347@news.cyberport.com> References: <67uu00$m9v@news.seed.net.tw> NNTP-Posting-Host: 56k25-118.cyberport.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 Path: ccw.ch!aetna.dolphins.ch!news.planetc.com!newsfeed.usit.net!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!mr.net!news-out.microserve.net!news-in.microserve.net!news.supernet.net!news.cyberport.com!not-for-mail dski@cameonet.cameo.com.twx (Dan Strychalski) wrote: >>> The other thing that Windoze software does is go nuts with the >>> quoted-printable stuff, to the extent of leaving equals signs >>> at the end of each line. >> >> Perhaps some of the ignorance is yours. I use a Windows system >> and my software doesn't do what you claim. If you got past your hissy >> fit against Microsoft, you might also consider the possibility that >> some non-Windows software does that, too. > >True, but too much of the 'doze stuff seems to come with that and other >nonsense *as the default*, and even experienced, knowledgeable folk >often have trouble turning it off (real "intuitive," eh?). The problem isn't Windows, it's with the people it attracts. A company can make a misbehaving newsreader for Windows that is nevertheless successful because the clueless Windows folk represent a large market. (And not all Windows users are clueless. No flames, please.) But since installing UNIXlike OSes and setting them up for Net access requires a significant amount of cluefulness, truly bad newsreaders don't exist for UNIX. So instead of railing against Microsoft or it's users, why not email the company who made the newsreader? (Assuming, of course, you're not talking about MSIE's newsreader -- never used it myself.) My point is that carping about the users or Microsoft isn't going to fix anything. = Warren -- http://www.cyberport.com/~tangent = = Remove the SPAMCATCHER to email. -- Finger me! ###### From: mattm@infinet.com (Matthew Miller) Subject: Re: How is "DOS" pronounced? Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers References: <3478afc5.10767740@news.compuserve.com><65f98a$b24$2@news3.texas.net> <1046.268T722T9693623@sky.bus.com><1077.270T153T6983178@sky.bus.com> <67pc64$b1j$5@teabag.demon.co.uk> <901.297T1277T6424622@sky.bus.com> Organization: InfiNet X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Lines: 22 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 27 Dec 1997 13:32:29 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: user2.infinet.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 27 Dec 1997 08:32:29 EST Path: ccw.ch!aetna.dolphins.ch!news.planetc.com!leto.ou.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!News.Vancouver.iSTAR.net!News.Toronto.iSTAR.net!news.istar.net!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!news-xfer.netaxs.com!newsfeed.infinet.com!news2!not-for-mail Charlie Gibbs (cgibbs@sky.bus.com) wrote: : In article <67pc64$b1j$5@teabag.demon.co.uk> : cbh@REMOVE_THIS.teabag.demon.co.uk (Chris Hedley) writes: : >In article <1077.270T153T6983178@sky.bus.com>, : >"Charlie Gibbs" writes: : >> Is anyone else pissed off at the way various companies have started : >> abusing punctuation? Enough, for instance, to pronounce SQL*Forms : >> as "squeal splat forms"? : >Dunno about all that, but one of my pet hates is when people refer to : >SQL as "sequel." Argh! As far as I'm concerned, it's "ess-queue-ell," : >except for pointy-haired clueless fuckwit project-managers. : That's why I use "squeal". Pointy-haired clueless fuckwit project : managers hate it. And I pronounce it "squirrel". Hey, I try to be creative. :) -- Matthew Miller -- mattm (at) infinet (dot) com ###### Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers From: "Ralph Wade Phillips" Subject: Re: How is "DOS" pronounced? X-Nntp-Posting-Host: 129.172.150.50 Message-ID: <01bd12ec$8a7fb910$3296ac81@nt_srvr_1> Sender: nntp@news.boeing.com (Boeing NNTP News Access) Organization: The Boeing Company X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1161 References: <657n9h$an3@netaxs.com> <3478afc5.10767740@news.compuserve.com><65f98a$b24$2@news3.texas.net> <1046.268T722T9693623@sky.bus.com><1077.270T153T6983178@sky.bus.com> <67pc64$b1j$5@teabag.demon.co.uk> Date: Sat, 27 Dec 1997 17:25:18 GMT Lines: 28 Path: ccw.ch!aetna.dolphins.ch!news.planetc.com!leto.ou.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!206.229.87.25!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-peer-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!uunet!in3.uu.net!xyzzy!nntp Hi, Chris! Chris Hedley wrote in article <67pc64$b1j$5@teabag.demon.co.uk>... > In article <1077.270T153T6983178@sky.bus.com>, > "Charlie Gibbs" writes: > > Heck, if I'm feeling violent I'll refer to #!* as "pound bang splat". > > "hash-exclamation mark-asterisk?" Perhaps I just lack imagination. > > > Is anyone else pissed off at the way various companies have started > > abusing punctuation? Enough, for instance, to pronounce SQL*Forms > > as "squeal splat forms"? > > Dunno about all that, but one of my pet hates is when people refer to > SQL as "sequel." Argh! As far as I'm concerned, it's "ess-queue-ell," > except for pointy-haired clueless fuckwit project-managers. > > Chris. > And here I am, thinking that Microsoft's implementation was "SQuirreL Server" .. References: <657n9h$an3@netaxs.com> <3481fc67.0@royan.d-n-a.net> <67pcj9$b1j$6@teabag.demon.co.uk> <67rcsd$t4t@sifon.cc.mcgill.ca> <870.297T1891T6515112@sky.bus.com> <67tvp7$28n@sifon.cc.mcgill.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.124.128.1 X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Path: ccw.ch!aetna.dolphins.ch!news.planetc.com!leto.ou.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-peer-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!uunet!in4.uu.net!news.blarg.net!not-for-mail Louis RAPHAEL (raphael@cs.mcgill.ca) wrote: : Surely that explains it (I wouldn't know, I've never used a Windoze : newsreader or mailer). Got to love that attitude - we come here after : you guys, then we do things our way... One still wonders just *why* it : was so hard for them to program said newsreader to do it the right way : - my guess is that they never bothered to figure out standard : conventions first, from the way you're talking... :-( I hope I never see shell accounts end! I like reading news with tin. I've tried most unix readers and all of the GUI readers for Win and OS/2. but I come back here. I'd use tin w/linux, but it takes so long sometimes to download the headers, and I don't like the pauses between each message. ###### From: kst@king.cts.com (Keith Thompson) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: How is "DOS" pronounced? Date: 28 Dec 1997 20:50:47 GMT Organization: CTS Network Services Lines: 18 Message-ID: <883342247.94882@wagasa.cts.com> References: <657n9h$an3@netaxs.com> <3478afc5.10767740@news.compuserve.com> <65f98a$b24$2@news3.texas.net> <1046.268T722T9693623@sky.bus.com> <1077.270T153T6983178@sky.bus.com> <67pc64$b1j$5@teabag.demon.co.uk> <34A10737.1A4BF8A6@stoneweb.com> <4t3y5uc8.fsf@chonsp.franklin.lugs.ch> NNTP-Posting-Host: wagasa.cts.com X-Newsreader: TIN [UNIX 1.3 950515BETA PL0] Cache-Post-Path: wagasa.cts.com!kst@king.cts.com Path: ccw.ch!aetna.dolphins.ch!news.planetc.com!newsfeed.usit.net!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!howland.erols.net!usc!newshub.cts.com!not-for-mail Neil.Franklin (remove .nospam) (Neil.Franklin.nospam@ccw.ch) wrote: > "Carl R. Friend" > > In any event, it is an abbreviation not an acronym but with all > > the alphabet soup we get in computers, most of us try to use > > pronouncable renditions of most of the soup. > > Not an acronym? IMHO it is, stands for Structured Query Language. An acronym is an abbreviation pronounced as a word, like NASA or radar. All acronyms are abreviations, but not all abbreviations are acronyms. Thus "SQL" is an acronym only if it's pronounced "sequel"; if it's pronounced "S-Q-L", it's merely an abbreviation. -- Keith Thompson (The_Other_Keith) kst@cts.com <*> ^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H San Diego, California, USA Trying to keep my daily caffeine intake between the RDA and the LD50. ###### From: cbh@REMOVE_THIS.teabag.demon.co.uk (Chris Hedley) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: How is "DOS" pronounced? Date: 28 Dec 1997 21:15:13 GMT Organization: teabag Message-ID: <686fh1$qu$2@teabag.demon.co.uk> References: <657n9h$an3@netaxs.com> <3481fc67.0@royan.d-n-a.net> <67pcj9$b1j$6@teabag.demon.co.uk> <67rcsd$t4t@sifon.cc.mcgill.ca> <870.297T1891T6515112@sky.bus.com> <67tvp7$28n@sifon.cc.mcgill.ca> <684fqi$ecl$1@animal.blarg.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost X-NNTP-Posting-Host: teabag.demon.co.uk [193.237.4.110] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Newsreader: knews 0.9.8 Lines: 17 Path: ccw.ch!aetna.dolphins.ch!news.planetc.com!leto.ou.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!teabag.demon.co.uk!not-for-mail In article <684fqi$ecl$1@animal.blarg.net>, asta@animal.blarg.net (Dave) writes: > I hope I never see shell accounts end! I like reading news with tin. > I've tried most unix readers and all of the GUI readers for Win and OS/2. > but I come back here. I'd suggest giving Knews a try, if you haven't already. I generally look upon GUI applications disparagingly, but this one's very good. > I'd use tin w/linux, but it takes so long sometimes > to download the headers, and I don't like the pauses between each message. You could always run your own local news server with a small subset consisting of your usual groups; that way, you can get tin to do direct disc access (or at least could, it's several years since I've done much with tin) Chris. ###### From: champ@44mag.vistech.net (Champ Clark III) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: How is "DOS" pronounced? Date: 29 Dec 1997 01:00:39 GMT Organization: CMDS News machine Lines: 28 Message-ID: References: <657n9h$an3@netaxs.com> <3481fc67.0@royan.d-n-a.net> <67pcj9$b1j$6@teabag.demon.co.uk> <67rcsd$t4t@sifon.cc.mcgill.ca> <870.297T1891T6515112@sky.bus.com> <67tvp7$28n@sifon.cc.mcgill.ca> <684fqi$ecl$1@animal.blarg.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 44mag.vistech.net X-Newsreader: slrn (0.9.3.2 UNIX) Path: ccw.ch!aetna.dolphins.ch!news.planetc.com!leto.ou.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!199.44.2.10!nntp.cntfl.com!champ In article <684fqi$ecl$1@animal.blarg.net>, Dave wrote: >Louis RAPHAEL (raphael@cs.mcgill.ca) wrote: > >: Surely that explains it (I wouldn't know, I've never used a Windoze >: newsreader or mailer). Got to love that attitude - we come here after >: you guys, then we do things our way... One still wonders just *why* it >: was so hard for them to program said newsreader to do it the right way >: - my guess is that they never bothered to figure out standard >: conventions first, from the way you're talking... :-( > >I hope I never see shell accounts end! I like reading news with tin. >I've tried most unix readers and all of the GUI readers for Win and OS/2. >but I come back here. I'd use tin w/linux, but it takes so long sometimes >to download the headers, and I don't like the pauses between each message. > Try slrn. I gave up 'tin' for that. Smaller, faster. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Vistech Communications. Internet Access Provider/Network Services Voice/VMB: [904]561-6679 For more information, check our URL: Data : [904]561-6433 www.vistech.net, or telnet to our address Address : 44mag.vistech.net and login as "new". ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ###### From: mathias@singapura.singnet.com.sg (Mathias Koerber) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: How is "DOS" pronounced? Date: 29 Dec 1997 05:53:12 GMT Organization: SingNet Lines: 35 Message-ID: <687ds8$6ge$1@columbine.singnet.com.sg> References: <657n9h$an3@netaxs.com> <3478afc5.10767740@news.compuserve.com> <65f98a$b24$2@news3.texas.net> <1046.268T722T9693623@sky.bus.com> <1077.270T153T6983178@sky.bus.com> <67pc64$b1j$5@teabag.demon.co.uk> <01bd12ec$8a7fb910$3296ac81@nt_srvr_1> Reply-To: mathias@singnet.com.sg NNTP-Posting-Host: singapura.singnet.com.sg Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Newsreader: TIN [UNIX 1.3 unoff BETA release 960716] Path: ccw.ch!aetna.dolphins.ch!news.planetc.com!newsfeed.usit.net!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!streamer1.cleveland.iagnet.net!iagnet.net!hay.news.ans.net!news-w.ans.net!newsfeeds.ans.net!dahlia.singnet.com.sg!columbine.singnet.com.sg!singapura.singnet.com.sg!not-for-mail In alt.folklore.computers Ralph Wade Phillips wrote: : Hi, Chris! : > Dunno about all that, but one of my pet hates is when people refer to : > SQL as "sequel." Argh! As far as I'm concerned, it's "ess-queue-ell," : > except for pointy-haired clueless fuckwit project-managers. It's either "sequel" (for those who love it) or "squeal" for the rest of us ... : > : > Chris. : > : And here I am, thinking that Microsoft's implementation was "SQuirreL : Server" .. References: <657n9h$an3@netaxs.com> <3481fc67.0@royan.d-n-a.net> <67pcj9$b1j$6@teabag.demon.co.uk> <67rcsd$t4t@sifon.cc.mcgill.ca> <870.297T1891T6515112@sky.bus.com> <34a1df45.33069394@news.vip.net> <34a4e60e.9348949@news.spacebbs.com> <000034A4889F.NO_UCE@mauve.demon.co.uk> Reply-To: TonyLima@ms.spacebbs.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 24679@207.204.228.201 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/16.451 Path: ccw.ch!aetna.dolphins.ch!news.planetc.com!leto.ou.edu!news.ecn.uoknor.edu!news.wildstar.net!newsfeed.direct.ca!Supernews60!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail On Sat, 27 Dec 1997 04:48:34 GMT, Ian Stirling <000034A4889F.NO_UCE@mauve.demon.co.uk> wrote: >Tony Lima wrote: >: Back in the days when there were WordPerfect users, the >: worst offenders on usenet seemed to be folks who used >: WordPerfect as their editor, but couldn't manage to figure >: out how to save a WP file as truly plain text. Many of the >: posts whose lines ended with =20 came from WP (if memory >: serves). AFAIK, WP has never been a Microsoft product. > >I got bored, and wrote a couple of lines of code. >One which found =20$'s in my news spool, the other looked for what >posted them >The results. >In first place, with 80 posts, >Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 >In second place, maybe improved slightly, or with less users, 27 posts with >Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 >Microsoft hold 3rd and 4th and 6th too, with other versions of outlook, >and internet news. > >In 5th is Free agent, and netscape takes up the rear, with 4 or 5 posts >scattered among different versions. > >This was about 200K posts analysed, so maybe 250/day get posted. Hey, reread my post. I was talking about several years ago, not today. HTH. BTW, this is being posted with Agent. If you find any wierd characters in it (the author excepted), please let me know. - Tony ###### From: TonyLima@ms.spacebbs.com (Tony Lima) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: How is "DOS" pronounced? Date: Mon, 29 Dec 1997 18:41:47 GMT Organization: Nope, none Lines: 61 Sender: @207.204.228.201 Message-ID: <34a96193.71241404@news.spacebbs.com> References: <657n9h$an3@netaxs.com> <3481fc67.0@royan.d-n-a.net> <67pcj9$b1j$6@teabag.demon.co.uk> <67rcsd$t4t@sifon.cc.mcgill.ca> <870.297T1891T6515112@sky.bus.com> <34a1df45.33069394@news.vip.net> <34a4e60e.9348949@news.spacebbs.com> <4N7p.292$Ue.8068485@news2> Reply-To: TonyLima@ms.spacebbs.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 24679@207.204.228.201 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/16.451 Path: ccw.ch!aetna.dolphins.ch!news.planetc.com!leto.ou.edu!news.ecn.uoknor.edu!news.wildstar.net!newsfeed.direct.ca!Supernews60!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail On Sat, 27 Dec 1997 13:55:12 GMT, mattm@infinet.com (Matthew Miller) wrote: >Tony Lima (TonyLima@ms.spacebbs.com) wrote: >: Back in the days when there were WordPerfect users, > >You know, I want to smack Tony Lima for this incredibly brazen >implication, but in the end I can only sigh and nod. Ooh, beat me, whip me! >: the >: worst offenders on usenet seemed to be folks who used >: WordPerfect as their editor, but couldn't manage to figure >: out how to save a WP file as truly plain text. > >I regularly use DOS Word Perfect 6.0a and save as plain text. Of course, >this probably doesn't matter much to the Network at large. I didn't mean to imply that WP _couldn't_ save as plain text. Of course it can and always could. Just that many users didn't seem to know how to do it. >: Many of the >: posts whose lines ended with =20 came from WP (if memory >: serves). AFAIK, WP has never been a Microsoft product. > >Of course, messages saved in WP 6.0's own format are pretty much >unreadable to plain text viewers, so I generally don't save in it at all >if I plan to send it up somewhere. It's still a marvelous word processor, >with that hacker-friendly code-reveal mode. :) I once worked as a consultant in a software startup company in which the management tried to impose a WP standard. After a month or so, there was a general rebellion and folks went back to using whatever they wanted. Most often, that wasn't WP. This experience has been replicated in several other situations, leading me to think it's mainly management folks who like WP . > I've also been trying to avoid Adobe's .pdf format, when at all >possible, because it is likewise unreadable to plain text viewers. Yeah, >yeah, it's compressed -- great. So are .zip files, and variations of Zip >(I didn't say PKZip, now, I said Zip) have been ported to almost every >system under the sun, unlike .pdf. Why does there seem to be so much >clamor every time yet another different format comes out? I agree 100 percent about pdf format. I have a copy of Acrobat Reader, but avoid using it whenever possible. I also make it a point to let webmasters who use pdf files know that I don't like it. Give me a good ol' zip file any day and you can pick the word processing format; I'll figure out a way to translate it. >: "It ain't the software, it's the luser at the keyboard." - >: anon. > >True enough. Of course, you didn't specify whether the luser in question >was the program user or the programmer. :) Good point! - Tony ###### From: cbh@REMOVE_THIS.teabag.demon.co.uk (Chris Hedley) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: How is "DOS" pronounced? Date: 2 Jan 1998 21:24:12 GMT Organization: teabag Message-ID: <68jlts$qd$4@teabag.demon.co.uk> References: <657n9h$an3@netaxs.com> <3478afc5.10767740@news.compuserve.com> <65f98a$b24$2@news3.texas.net> <1046.268T722T9693623@sky.bus.com> <1077.270T153T6983178@sky.bus.com> <67pc64$b1j$5@teabag.demon.co.uk> <01bd12ec$8a7fb910$3296ac81@nt_srvr_1> <687ds8$6ge$1@columbine.singnet.com.sg> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost X-NNTP-Posting-Host: teabag.demon.co.uk [193.237.4.110] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Newsreader: knews 0.9.8 Lines: 11 Path: ccw.ch!aetna.dolphins.ch!news.planetc.com!leto.ou.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!howland.erols.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!teabag.demon.co.uk!not-for-mail In article <687ds8$6ge$1@columbine.singnet.com.sg>, mathias@singapura.singnet.com.sg (Mathias Koerber) writes: > It's either "sequel" (for those who love it) or "squeal" for the rest > of us ... Most of the techies I've met who use it regularly tend to refer to is as "ess-cue-ell;" perhaps it's more of a US/UK difference, rather than my assumed Project Manager/Mere Mortals divide... (Even though I've just noticed you're posting from Singapore :) Chris. ###### Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 12:08:19 +0100 Message-ID: From: peterk@combo.ganesha.com (Dr. Peter Kittel) Subject: Re: How is "DOS" pronounced? Reply-To: peterk @ combo.ganesha.com References: <657n9h$an3@netaxs.com> <3481fc67.0@royan.d-n-a.net> <67pcj9$b1j$6@teabag.demon.co.uk> <67rcsd$t4t@sifon.cc.mcgill.ca> <870.297T1891T6515112@sky.bus.com> X-Newsreader: rn7.bas Lines: 21 Organization: Private Path: ccw.ch!aetna.dolphins.ch!news.planetc.com!leto.ou.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!news-peer-west.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!newsfeed.nacamar.de!blackbush.xlink.net!ganesha.ganesha.com!shorter!combo.ganesha.com!peterk In article <870.297T1891T6515112@sky.bus.com> "Charlie Gibbs" writes: >In article <67rcsd$t4t@sifon.cc.mcgill.ca> raphael@cs.mcgill.ca (Louis >RAPHAEL) writes: > >>Actually, the other thing that irks me (on usenet/e-mail) is folks who >>dno't cut off lines at 80 columns, and send complete paragraphs as one >>line, or (even worse) cut them off at ~100 columns. I still haven't >>figured out why the windoze software lets them do this. > >Because when that same Windoze software receives such messages or >e-mail it sorts it out again. Well, that sort of software *tries* to. But normally it freaks out as soon as that message text also contains quoted parts. After my experience, then hell breaks loose and the text gets garbled. I cannot understand how people can live with such crap. -- Best Regards, Dr. Peter Kittel // http://www.pios.de of PIOS Private Site in Frankfurt, Germany \X/ office: peterk @ pios.de Still big newsfeed problems causing long delays. ###### Date: 07 Jan 98 11:32:01 -0800 From: "Charlie Gibbs" Subject: Re: How is "DOS" pronounced? References: <657n9h$an3@netaxs.com> <3481fc67.0@royan.d-n-a.net> <67pcj9$b1j$6@teabag.demon.co.uk> <67rcsd$t4t@sifon.cc.mcgill.ca> <870.297T1891T6515112@sky.bus.com> Message-ID: <1393.311T80T6923345@sky.bus.com> Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Lines: 34 X-Newsreader: THOR 2.5a (Amiga;TCP/IP) NNTP-Posting-Host: news.skybus.com Path: ccw.ch!aetna.dolphins.ch!news.planetc.com!leto.ou.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!howland.erols.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-pull.sprintlink.net!news-in-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!204.244.4.2!news.westel.com!news.skybus.com!204.244.247.124 In article peterk@combo.ganesha.com (Dr. Peter Kittel) writes: >In article <870.297T1891T6515112@sky.bus.com> "Charlie Gibbs" > writes: > >>In article <67rcsd$t4t@sifon.cc.mcgill.ca> raphael@cs.mcgill.ca >>(Louis RAPHAEL) writes: >> >>>Actually, the other thing that irks me (on usenet/e-mail) is folks >>>who dno't cut off lines at 80 columns, and send complete paragraphs >>>as one line, or (even worse) cut them off at ~100 columns. I still >>>haven't figured out why the windoze software lets them do this. >> >>Because when that same Windoze software receives such messages or >>e-mail it sorts it out again. > >Well, that sort of software *tries* to. But normally it freaks out >as soon as that message text also contains quoted parts. After my >experience, then hell breaks loose and the text gets garbled. Good point. I've seen a number of messages where the ">" characters start drifting across the screen, embedded in the middle of lines. >I cannot understand how people can live with such crap. Because Bill told them to. :-( Lately I've been seeing a billboard that turns my stomach. The main text says "T.G.I.Monday", and it portrays the joy of people who can't wait to get back to work so they can use Office 97. Bleah. :-p -- cgibbs@sky.bus.com (Charlie Gibbs) Remove the first period after the "at" sign to reply. ###### From: equinox@buffnet.net (Equinox) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: How is "DOS" pronounced? Date: 11 Jan 1998 15:12:06 GMT Organization: BuffNET Lines: 10 Message-ID: <69ang6$na4$2@buffnet2.buffnet.net> References: <657n9h$an3@netaxs.com> <3481fc67.0@royan.d-n-a.net> <67pcj9$b1j$6@teabag.demon.co.uk> <67rcsd$t4t@sifon.cc.mcgill.ca> <870.297T1891T6515112@sky.bus.com> <1393.311T80T6923345@sky.bus.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: buffnet7.buffnet.net X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Path: ccw.ch!aetna.dolphins.ch!news.planetc.com!leto.ou.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!xfer.kren.nm.kr!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-backup-east.sprintlink.net!news-in-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!205.246.19.53!buffnet2.buffnet.net!buffnet7.buffnet.net!equinox It is pronounced 'dawsss'. -- ___________ .__ \_ _____/ ________ __|__| ____ _______ ___ | __)_ / ____/ | \ |/ \ / _ \ \/ / | < <_| | | / | | ( <_> > < /_______ /\__ |____/|__|___| /\____/__/\_ \ \/ |__| \/ \/ ###### From: Wess@gtii.com (Wes Szumera) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: How is "DOS" pronounced? Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 12:50:53 GMT Organization: All USENET -- http://www.Supernews.com Lines: 20 Approved: CIA@FBI.MIL Message-ID: <69nlc9$kbg@usenet44.supernews.com> References: <657n9h$an3@netaxs.com> <3481fc67.0@royan.d-n-a.net> <67pcj9$b1j$6@teabag.demon.co.uk> <67rcsd$t4t@sifon.cc.mcgill.ca> <870.297T1891T6515112@sky.bus.com> <1393.311T80T6923345@sky.bus.com> Reply-To: Wess@gtii.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.154.70.17 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 Path: ccw.ch!aetna.dolphins.ch!news.planetc.com!newsfeed.usit.net!news-dc-3.sprintlink.net!news-dc-1.sprintlink.net!news-east.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!newsfeed.direct.ca!Supernews60!supernews.com!Supernews69!news "Charlie Gibbs" wrote: >In article peterk@combo.ganesha.com >(Dr. Peter Kittel) writes: > >>I cannot understand how people can live with such crap. > >Because Bill told them to. :-( Lately I've been seeing a billboard >that turns my stomach. The main text says "T.G.I.Monday", and >it portrays the joy of people who can't wait to get back to work >so they can use Office 97. Bleah. :-p I routinely downgrand new win95 machines to office 4.3 to avoid dealing with Office 97 BETA (tm). I look forward to monday to I can incorporate the things I learned on my linux box into our Caldera OpenLinux box at work. Wes