From: lyser@ns.net (Chris Lyser) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban,alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Y2K Nit (Re: Y2K) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 06:39:44 GMT Organization: NSNet Internet Services Lines: 63 Message-ID: <34911671.821238@news.ns.net> References: <347D5CE9.5219@example.com> <3483408D.10EB@nospamus.oracle.com> Reply-To: lyser@ns.net NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp87.ns.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.0/16.390 Path: ccw.ch!aetna.dolphins.ch!news.planetc.com!news-xfer.siscom.net!news-feed.inet.tele.dk!bofh.vszbr.cz!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!204.75.146.28!news.ns.net!not-for-mail drew@furrfu.com (Drew Lawson) wrote: >Y2K *bugs* exist. > >I don't know how many "well, why don't they fix it?" comments I have >heard from non-technical people who hear about THE Y2K BUG. It sounds >like one thing is wrong, and it has a single solution. > > >Drew "some cultures have a megaboss number of >words for 'Y2K bug'" Lawson. We supposed the big-name consultants working with our IT branch were making good progress on Y2K remedies. Now I'm not so sure. We all arrived after the weekend to find voice mail from the boss's secretary requesting us to reply with the model, description, serial number, and date of manufacture of any electrical equipment in our possession, for Y2K planning. I replied within minutes, adding a comment about why don't they obtain the data from the inventory database. By that time there was a second voicemail requesting everyone to come to the front desk immediately and fill in separate paper input documents with their information.=20 On the way, I noticed that our stack of retired, junk monitors and the few typewriters had tags representing a physical inventory over the weekend.=20 I asked the secretary why we are inventorying retired equipment and typewriters for Y2K compliance, and she said she had instructions that literally everything related to EDP must be tallied immediately. The objective as described to her was to fill in a triangle starting from direct observation at the base, then filtered upward to varying degrees of Y2K sensitivity by the specialists. And by the way, the Y2K team would bring over a diskette real soon now so she could key in the input documents they had requested. She said she also suggested starting from the equipment-assignment database, and was told to start with the paper coding sheets instead. OK, whatever they want. Then I ran into the Mac guru from another branch, and he was livid. He had refused to tally his monitors, on the reasoning that the clock and calendar that appear on the video screen are not generated inside the monitor. He had lost the argument when he got a call back from the Y2K team clarifying that he must inventory his monitors, for consistency with the rest of the Y2K survey which will list all of the approximately 10,000 monitors we own. =46inally I asked an internal auditor who was working on the project how this inquiry had grown so large, to include retired equipment, typewriters, and the monitors and personal printers that we are certain contain no clock or calendar. He repeated the triangle analogy and said it was decided at the top that determinations of Y2K sensitivity must be made by the Y2K consultants based on their specialized knowledge. Also that they did expect us to include literally everything on the first level inventory. Heck, I thought our Y2K disruptions would focus on legacy Cobol, and equipment maintenance schedules. Now it has already touched everyone.=20 May you live in interesting times........ ###### From: tsw@cagent.com (Tom Watson) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban,alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Y2K Nit (Re: Y2K) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 11:07:07 -0800 Organization: CagEnt, Inc. Lines: 41 Message-ID: References: <347D5CE9.5219@example.com> <3483408D.10EB@nospamus.oracle.com> <34911671.821238@news.ns.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: alfred.cagent.com Cache-Post-Path: alfred.cagent.com!unknown@cypher.cagent.com Path: ccw.ch!aetna.dolphins.ch!news.planetc.com!leto.ou.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!news.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!newsfeed.dacom.co.kr!xfer.kren.nm.kr!newshub1.home.com!news.home.com!news.rdc1.sfba.home.com!cypher.cagent.com!user In article <34911671.821238@news.ns.net>, lyser@ns.net wrote: > drew@furrfu.com (Drew Lawson) wrote: > > > >Y2K *bugs* exist. > > The key is the plural of the word!! > > We supposed the big-name consultants working with our IT branch were > making good progress on Y2K remedies. Now I'm not so sure. > <<>> > > Heck, I thought our Y2K disruptions would focus on legacy Cobol, and > equipment maintenance schedules. Now it has already touched everyone.=20 > > May you live in interesting times........ Next thing you know, they will want an inventory of coffee cups to see if they are Y2K compliant. Oh, and don't forget the microwave oven in the lunch room. It too has a computer chip. Other things to mention: Your car. The company VCR. The company TV. (Makes as much sense as monitors :-) Your watch. Your checkbook (many have the year prewritten as "19__"). Instruction books. Your telephone (this is a biggie!!). Sounds like a "Dilbert Universe" (apologies to Scott Adams!!). (*SIGH*) -- tsw@cagent.com (Home: tsw@johana.com) Please forward spam to: annagram@hr.house.gov (my Congressman), I do. ###### From: drew@furrfu.com (Drew Lawson) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban,alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Y2K Nit (Re: Y2K) Date: 10 Dec 1997 15:04:34 GMT Organization: Center for Unverified Assertions Lines: 24 Message-ID: References: <347D5CE9.5219@example.com> <3483408D.10EB@nospamus.oracle.com> <34911671.821238@news.ns.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: dynamic57.pm01.san-jose.best.com X-Trace: 881766274 25303 (none) 206.184.139.132 X-Newsreader: Yet Another NewsWatcher 2.2.0b7 Path: ccw.ch!aetna.dolphins.ch!news.planetc.com!leto.ou.edu!news.onenet.net!news.oru.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsxfer3.itd.umich.edu!news1.best.com!nntp1.ba.best.com!drew In article <34911671.821238@news.ns.net>, lyser@ns.net wrote: > We all arrived after the weekend to find voice mail from the boss's > secretary requesting us to reply with the model, description, serial > number, and date of manufacture of any electrical equipment in our > possession, for Y2K planning. I replied within minutes, adding a > comment about why don't they obtain the data from the inventory > database. In what is probably not an unusual situation, we also have this disconnect at work. It usually comes up when IT tries to locate a certain workstation. It turns out that (for us) IT does not *own* the equipment, since it is capital inventory, and IT is under the operating budget (probably a gross oversimplification there). Drew "but all of the machines have inventory stickers on them" Lawson -- Drew Lawson | Broke my mind drew@furrfu.com | Had no spare http://www.furrfu.com/ | ###### From: Chris Pitzel Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Y2K Nit (Re: Y2K) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 16:59:49 -0600 Organization: Engineering, University of Saskatchewan Lines: 98 Message-ID: <34907065.D5DE1872@usask.ca> References: <347D5CE9.5219@example.com> <3483408D.10EB@nospamus.oracle.com> <34911671.821238@news.ns.net> Reply-To: cmp086@mail.usask.ca NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.219.71.63 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; U) Path: ccw.ch!aetna.dolphins.ch!news.planetc.com!atl-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!news.idt.net!psinntp!pubxfer.news.psi.net!usenet Chris Lyser wrote: > > drew@furrfu.com (Drew Lawson) wrote: > > >Y2K *bugs* exist. > > > >I don't know how many "well, why don't they fix it?" comments I have > >heard from non-technical people who hear about THE Y2K BUG. It sounds > >like one thing is wrong, and it has a single solution. > > > > > >Drew "some cultures have a megaboss number of > >words for 'Y2K bug'" Lawson. > > We supposed the big-name consultants working with our IT branch were > making good progress on Y2K remedies. Now I'm not so sure. > > We all arrived after the weekend to find voice mail from the boss's > secretary requesting us to reply with the model, description, serial > number, and date of manufacture of any electrical equipment in our > possession, for Y2K planning. I replied within minutes, adding a > comment about why don't they obtain the data from the inventory > database. By that time there was a second voicemail requesting > everyone to come to the front desk immediately and fill in separate > paper input documents with their information. This kind of idiocy is prevalant in every organization it seems. The year 2000 problem has been highly overemphasized for users of ordinary PC's. It's really only a problem that applies to mainframe transaction processing systems which are reliant upon dates for their computations. I have machines dating back to the mid 1980's which will properly flip over to the proper year 2000 dates. It's the PC manufacturers which are helping to create this paranoia in the hope that they will be able to sell more computers/motherboards/products. But I do admit that there are some very serious problems when it comes to some high-end database applications (really, the only area severely affected.) > On the way, I noticed that our stack of retired, junk monitors and the > few typewriters had tags representing a physical inventory over the > weekend. > > I asked the secretary why we are inventorying retired equipment and > typewriters for Y2K compliance, and she said she had instructions that > literally everything related to EDP must be tallied immediately. The > objective as described to her was to fill in a triangle starting from > direct observation at the base, then filtered upward to varying > degrees of Y2K sensitivity by the specialists. And by the way, the Y2K > team would bring over a diskette real soon now so she could key in the > input documents they had requested. She said she also suggested > starting from the equipment-assignment database, and was told to start > with the paper coding sheets instead. OK, whatever they want. "Specialists"? Probably just a bunch of computer salesmen bent on selling your organization brand new stuff. > Then I ran into the Mac guru from another branch, and he was livid. He > had refused to tally his monitors, on the reasoning that the clock and > calendar that appear on the video screen are not generated inside the > monitor. He had lost the argument when he got a call back from the Y2K > team clarifying that he must inventory his monitors, for consistency > with the rest of the Y2K survey which will list all of the > approximately 10,000 monitors we own. What a massive waste of money; I suppose you have to inventory the keyboards, power equipment, printers, and basically all the other stuff you have that there's no way on earth would be affected by such a problem. > Finally I asked an internal auditor who was working on the project how > this inquiry had grown so large, to include retired equipment, > typewriters, and the monitors and personal printers that we are > certain contain no clock or calendar. He repeated the triangle analogy > and said it was decided at the top that determinations of Y2K > sensitivity must be made by the Y2K consultants based on their > specialized knowledge. Also that they did expect us to include > literally everything on the first level inventory. Your organization must have a lot of money to throw around. Either that, or they've been suckered into believing that they're at a lot more risk than they really are. > Heck, I thought our Y2K disruptions would focus on legacy Cobol, and > equipment maintenance schedules. Now it has already touched everyone. Sounds more like a big waste of money more than anything. I am getting rather sick of the paranoia that's being generated in the news media and by some of these self-proclaimed "year 2000" experts. To the person who isn't knowledgeable about computers (or the world for that matter), the stuff that's being suggested may sound reasonable. But I've heard some absolutely outlandish statements being made about year 2000 stuff (like planes falling out of the sky, and ordinary cars not starting..) > May you live in interesting times........ ###### From: tph@longhorn.uucp (Tom Harrington) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban,alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Y2K Nit (Re: Y2K) Followup-To: alt.folklore.urban,alt.folklore.computers Date: 11 Dec 1997 17:02:04 GMT Organization: Mechanist Industries Lines: 27 Message-ID: <66p6ac$caa2@eccws1.dearborn.ford.com> References: <347D5CE9.5219@example.com> <3483408D.10EB@nospamus.oracle.com> <34911671.821238@news.ns.net> Reply-To: tph@rmi.net NNTP-Posting-Host: cs0053.eld.ford.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Path: ccw.ch!aetna.dolphins.ch!news.planetc.com!leto.ou.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!mic.fibernet.net!newsfeed.direct.ca!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsxfer3.itd.umich.edu!jobone!dailyplanet.srl.ford.com!eccws1.dearborn.ford.com!longhorn!tph Tom Watson (tsw@cagent.com) wrote: : Next thing you know, they will want an inventory of coffee cups to see if : they are Y2K compliant. Oh, and don't forget the microwave oven in the : lunch room. It too has a computer chip. : Other things to mention: : Your car. : The company VCR. : The company TV. (Makes as much sense as monitors :-) : Your watch. : Your checkbook (many have the year prewritten as "19__"). : Instruction books. : Your telephone (this is a biggie!!). I know it sounds silly at first, but there's no reason to assume that embedded processors are y2k compliant. If the VCR or the microwave won't work after 1/1/2000, it probably won't kill the company or anything. But it might need replacing, so any estimate of y2k costs needs to account for it. And if the company car(s) won't start, some businesses could be in serious trouble. -- Tom Harrington --------- tph@rmii.com -------- http://rainbow.rmii.com/~tph "There is no national 'ism'. There is no sole religion. These are ideas of the past, they don't work here anymore." -Poi Dog Pondering Cookie's Revenge: ftp://ftp.rmi.net/pub2/tph/cookie/cookies-revenge.sit.hqx ###### From: "Julian Thomas" Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Y2K Nit (Re: Y2K) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 97 20:26:55 -0500 Organization: epix Internet Services Lines: 26 Message-ID: <3490936f$2$wg$mr2ice@news.epix.net> References: <347D5CE9.5219@example.com> <3483408D.10EB@nospamus.oracle.com> <34911671.821238@news.ns.net> <34907065.D5DE1872@usask.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: tmbg-115ppp56.epix.net X-Newsreader: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v1.43 b43 Path: ccw.ch!aetna.dolphins.ch!news.planetc.com!leto.ou.edu!news.ecn.uoknor.edu!news.eng.convex.com!newsgate.duke.edu!agate!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!206.229.87.25!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-pull.sprintlink.net!news-in-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!199.224.117.13!news3.epix.net!news1.epix.net!not-for-mail In <34907065.D5DE1872@usask.ca>, on 12/11/97 at 04:59 PM, Chris Pitzel said: >This kind of idiocy is prevalant in every organization it seems. The >year 2000 problem has been highly overemphasized for users of ordinary >PC's. It's really only a problem that applies to mainframe transaction >processing systems which are reliant upon dates for their >computations. The Y2K problem is very real, unfortunately, and all too many outfits have their heads either in the sand or up some other well known location.... MCI in particular is unable to take a credit card with an expiration date later than 12/99. Maybe not primarily a PC problem, but one that is apt to bite all of us one way or another. -- Julian & Mary Jane Thomas jt@epix.net http://www.epix.net/~jt In the beautiful Finger Lakes Wine Country of New York State! -------------------------------------------------- Half the people you know are below average. ###### From: nickb@primenet.com (Nick S Bensema) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Y2K Nit (Re: Y2K) Date: 11 Dec 1997 21:06:00 -0700 Organization: PrImE NuT (602)864-1005 <--- <--- <--- Lines: 13 Message-ID: <66qd78$5ai@nntp02.primenet.com> References: <347D5CE9.5219@example.com> <34911671.821238@news.ns.net> <34907065.D5DE1872@usask.ca> <66qa2f$349@sifon.cc.mcgill.ca> X-Posted-By: nickb@206.165.6.207 (nickb) X-Battlestar-Galactica-Date: 2349 croutons, 58 futons, SIX HECTARES! X-Newsreader: trn 4.0-test58 (13 May 97) Path: ccw.ch!aetna.dolphins.ch!news.planetc.com!leto.ou.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!howland.erols.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!globalcenter0!news.primenet.com!not-for-mail In article <66qa2f$349@sifon.cc.mcgill.ca>, Louis RAPHAEL wrote: >I *could* see some air-traffic control systems possibly having >problems. Ordinary cars? Puh-lease... Yeah, air-traffic computers revert to 1900 and suddenly the radar screens are full of biplanes. :-) -- Nick Bensema 98-KUPD Red Card #710563 UIN: 2135445 ~~~~ ~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Prepare ship for ludicruos speed! http://www.climatefacts.org/ - Everyone but the bad boys have to behave. ###### Date: 11 Dec 97 22:05:37 -0800 From: "Charlie Gibbs" Subject: Re: Y2K Nit (Re: Y2K) References: <347D5CE9.5219@example.com> <34911671.821238@news.ns.net> <34907065.D5DE1872@usask.ca> <66qa2f$349@sifon.cc.mcgill.ca> <66qd78$5ai@nntp02.primenet.com> Message-ID: <466.284T1891T13255544@sky.bus.com> Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Lines: 14 X-Newsreader: THOR 2.5a (Amiga;TCP/IP) NNTP-Posting-Host: news.skybus.com Path: ccw.ch!aetna.dolphins.ch!news.planetc.com!leto.ou.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!howland.erols.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-pull.sprintlink.net!news-in-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!204.244.4.2!news.westel.com!news.skybus.com!204.244.247.113 >In article <66qa2f$349@sifon.cc.mcgill.ca>, >Louis RAPHAEL wrote: >>I *could* see some air-traffic control systems possibly having >>problems. Ordinary cars? Puh-lease... > >Yeah, air-traffic computers revert to 1900 and suddenly the radar >screens are full of biplanes. :-) No, balloons. Biplanes won't appear for nearly four more years. -- cgibbs@sky.bus.com (Charlie Gibbs) Remove the first period after the "at" sign to reply. ###### From: nickb@primenet.com (Nick S Bensema) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban,alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Y2K Nit (Re: Y2K) Date: 11 Dec 1997 22:30:01 -0700 Organization: PrImE NuT (602)864-1005 <--- <--- <--- Lines: 49 Message-ID: <66qi4p$7bh@nntp02.primenet.com> References: <347D5CE9.5219@example.com> <66p6ac$caa2@eccws1.dearborn.ford.com> <66q9pp$349@sifon.cc.mcgill.ca> X-Posted-By: nickb@206.165.6.207 (nickb) X-Battlestar-Galactica-Date: 2349 croutons, 58 futons, SIX HECTARES! X-Newsreader: trn 4.0-test58 (13 May 97) Path: ccw.ch!aetna.dolphins.ch!news.planetc.com!leto.ou.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!www.nntp.primenet.com!globalcenter1!news.primenet.com!not-for-mail In article <66q9pp$349@sifon.cc.mcgill.ca>, Louis RAPHAEL wrote: > >But seriously... if things like VCRs don't tolerate 2000+, most folks >will just set them back a few years, and live with it. I know I'll do >that if I have the problem. I suspect most company VCRs will take the >same treatment. > >So long as they're standalone, single-purpose systems, that is. Things >start to become a pain if you need to program it to record a program. I just did a little experimenting. First of all, my VCR will work all the way to 2079 provided its cheap 1990's manufacture doesn't catch up to it. And second of all, I can pretend I'm a time traveller by setting it to the year 1986. Wheee! All my Nintendo games are brand new and worth at least $20 each, and I can probably unload all of my 200 loose Atari cartridges for at least $5 each by the end of the month. And in 1986 dollars, I can backpack in Europe for a couple of months with that. Not just Europe, but an England that has yet to invent the Spice Girls! And, of course, half of it will be Communist. It'll be SO COOL! And I just realized that the year date is USELESS on my VCR for any other purpose than predicting leap years and determining weekdays. I never see the year displayed anywhere but where I enter it. Considering most people will have to change the clock back and forth for daylight savings anyway, and I seldom need to tape anything so far in advance, this seems like more trouble than it's worth. (Actually, if I need to tape something so far in advance, chances are I will forget to leave the VCR in timer mode during that time anyway.) >IMHO, the *real* problem will be all the forgotten code that will >cause strange things to happen come Y2K. Personally, I expect many, >many thing to go bust that day, and my VCR having problems is the >*least* of my worries... getting juice out of the wall socket to keep >it running *is* a concern, though - but not one I can really do >anything about :-(. I know the electric company's code is going to go "Well, it's 1900. Better shut down, seeing as I'm a computer and I haven't been invented yet. I'd hate to change history." -- Nick Bensema 98-KUPD Red Card #710563 UIN: 2135445 ~~~~ ~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Prepare ship for ludicruos speed! http://www.climatefacts.org/ - Everyone but the bad boys have to behave. ###### From: rjn@pobox.com (Fidelio) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban,alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Y2K Nit (Re: Y2K) Date: 12 Dec 1997 01:08:44 +0100 Organization: Fidelio Internet Services Message-ID: <66pvac$6ok$1@xs2.xs4all.nl> References: <347D5CE9.5219@example.com> <3483408D.10EB@nospamus.oracle.com> <34911671.821238@news.ns.net> <66p6ac$caa2@eccws1.dearborn.ford.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: xs2.xs4all.nl X-XS4ALL-Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 01:08:46 CET X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.0 #4 Lines: 22 Path: ccw.ch!aetna.dolphins.ch!news.planetc.com!newsfeed.usit.net!news.he.net!newsfeed.gte.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!bullseye.news.demon.net!demon!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!xs4all!nestorix2.xs4all.nl!xs4all!not-for-mail tph@longhorn.uucp (Tom Harrington) writes: >I know it sounds silly at first, but there's no reason to assume that >embedded processors are y2k compliant. If the VCR or the microwave won't >work after 1/1/2000, it probably won't kill the company or anything. But >it might need replacing, so any estimate of y2k costs needs to account >for it. And if the company car(s) won't start, some businesses could >be in serious trouble. It's funny how people keep thinking the Y2K problem is related to internal clock chips, and how it will affect people jan 1st 2000. There are many Y2K problem, many of which are visible long before this date. An example is credit cards, which have an expiration date. Mine says 11/98. They are generally issued, and then valid for 3 years, so on jan 1st 1997 they started issuing cards which were 01/00. Now, this quickly identified some software that compared this to the current date and said 'Nope, this card has expired' right away, because 00 < 97. This problem has hopefully been fixed already, since more and more new cards are valid until 2000 or 2001. Rob ###### From: aturley@bu.edu (Andrew Turley) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Y2K Nit (Re: Y2K) Date: 12 Dec 1997 02:26:07 GMT Organization: Boston University Lines: 18 Message-ID: <66q7bv$3mk$1@news1.bu.edu> References: <347D5CE9.5219@example.com> <3483408D.10EB@nospamus.oracle.com> <34911671.821238@news.ns.net> <66p6ac$caa2@eccws1.dearborn.ford.com> Reply-To: aturley@remove_me.bu.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: acs3.bu.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Path: ccw.ch!aetna.dolphins.ch!news.planetc.com!leto.ou.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-feed2.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news.bu.edu!acs3.bu.edu!aturley Tom Harrington (tph@longhorn.uucp) wrote: : I know it sounds silly at first, but there's no reason to assume that : embedded processors are y2k compliant. If the VCR or the microwave won't : work after 1/1/2000, it probably won't kill the company or anything. But : it might need replacing, so any estimate of y2k costs needs to account : for it. And if the company car(s) won't start, some businesses could : be in serious trouble. I know I will probably not be the only one to say this, but I'm going to say it anyway. If your microwave (I assume we are talking about microwave ovens) is concerned with what year it is, you should promptly have it destroyed. Microwaves do not need to know the year, or the day, or anything else like that. One possible exception is if you have a clock in your microwave that automatically adjusts for daylight savings time. And that could be done quite easily without knowing the time. In short, your microwave does not need to know the year. andy ###### From: raphael@willy.cs.mcgill.ca (Louis RAPHAEL) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban,alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Y2K Nit (Re: Y2K) Date: 12 Dec 1997 03:07:37 GMT Organization: McGill University Computing Centre Lines: 26 Message-ID: <66q9pp$349@sifon.cc.mcgill.ca> References: <347D5CE9.5219@example.com> <3483408D.10EB@nospamus.oracle.com> <34911671.821238@news.ns.net> <66p6ac$caa2@eccws1.dearborn.ford.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: willy.cs.mcgill.ca X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Path: ccw.ch!aetna.dolphins.ch!news.planetc.com!news-xfer.siscom.net!streamer1.cleveland.iagnet.net!iagnet.net!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!news.mcgill.ca!willy!raphael Tom Harrington (tph@longhorn.uucp) wrote: : I know it sounds silly at first, but there's no reason to assume that : embedded processors are y2k compliant. If the VCR or the microwave won't : work after 1/1/2000, it probably won't kill the company or anything. But : it might need replacing, so any estimate of y2k costs needs to account : for it. And if the company car(s) won't start, some businesses could : be in serious trouble. But seriously... if things like VCRs don't tolerate 2000+, most folks will just set them back a few years, and live with it. I know I'll do that if I have the problem. I suspect most company VCRs will take the same treatment. So long as they're standalone, single-purpose systems, that is. Things start to become a pain if you need to program it to record a program. IMHO, the *real* problem will be all the forgotten code that will cause strange things to happen come Y2K. Personally, I expect many, many thing to go bust that day, and my VCR having problems is the *least* of my worries... getting juice out of the wall socket to keep it running *is* a concern, though - but not one I can really do anything about :-(. Louis ###### From: raphael@willy.cs.mcgill.ca (Louis RAPHAEL) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Y2K Nit (Re: Y2K) Date: 12 Dec 1997 03:12:15 GMT Organization: McGill University Computing Centre Lines: 23 Message-ID: <66qa2f$349@sifon.cc.mcgill.ca> References: <347D5CE9.5219@example.com> <3483408D.10EB@nospamus.oracle.com> <34911671.821238@news.ns.net> <34907065.D5DE1872@usask.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: willy.cs.mcgill.ca X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Path: ccw.ch!aetna.dolphins.ch!news.planetc.com!leto.ou.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-peer-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!news.mcgill.ca!willy!raphael Chris Pitzel (chris.pitzel@usask.ca) wrote: : What a massive waste of money; I suppose you have to inventory the : keyboards, power equipment, printers, and basically all the other stuff : you have that there's no way on earth would be affected by such a : problem. I must remember to shortsell stock in whatever company that is... I mean - seriously! Some corporations make government look efficient, by a *long* shot. : Sounds more like a big waste of money more than anything. I am getting : rather sick of the paranoia that's being generated in the news media and : by some of these self-proclaimed "year 2000" experts. To the person who : isn't knowledgeable about computers (or the world for that matter), the : stuff that's being suggested may sound reasonable. But I've heard some : absolutely outlandish statements being made about year 2000 stuff (like : planes falling out of the sky, and ordinary cars not starting..) I *could* see some air-traffic control systems possibly having problems. Ordinary cars? Puh-lease... Louis ###### From: hatunen@shell. (David Hatunen) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban,alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Y2K Nit (Re: Y2K) Date: 12 Dec 1997 06:26:17 GMT Organization: Verio Northern California Lines: 27 Message-ID: <66qle9$ncu$1@news.ncal.verio.com> References: <347D5CE9.5219@example.com> <66p6ac$caa2@eccws1.dearborn.ford.com> <66q9pp$349@sifon.cc.mcgill.ca> <66qi4p$7bh@nntp02.primenet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: shell.wco.com X-Newsposter: trn 4.0-test56 (2 Mar 97) Path: ccw.ch!aetna.dolphins.ch!news.planetc.com!leto.ou.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!howland.erols.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-peer-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!peerfeed.ncal.verio.net!news.ncal.verio.com!not-for-mail In article <66qi4p$7bh@nntp02.primenet.com>, Nick S Bensema wrote: [...] >And I just realized that the year date is USELESS on my VCR for >any other purpose than predicting leap years and determining >weekdays. I never see the year displayed anywhere but where I >enter it. Considering most people will have to change the clock >back and forth for daylight savings anyway, and I seldom need to >tape anything so far in advance, this seems like more trouble than >it's worth. While the date rarely appears in normal usage, it does appear at the time of setup where it is needed so that the day of the week is correct for the date. With the date properly set, two of my VCRs automatically switch on and off Daylight Time at the right time of year; since this is always on a Sunday, it is important that the internal year be set correctly. [...] -- *********** DAVE HATUNEN (hatunen@wco.com) ************ * Daly City California: * * where San Francisco meets The Peninsula * ******* and the San Andreas Fault meets the Sea ******* ###### Date: 12 Dec 97 11:06:56 -0800 From: "Charlie Gibbs" Subject: Re: Y2K Nit (Re: Y2K) References: <34911671.821238@news.ns.net> <66p6ac$caa2@eccws1.dearborn.ford.com> <66q7bv$3mk$1@news1.bu.edu> <0000349129D1.NO_UCE@mauve.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: <403.285T2838T6666239@sky.bus.com> Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Lines: 13 X-Newsreader: THOR 2.5a (Amiga;TCP/IP) NNTP-Posting-Host: news.skybus.com Path: ccw.ch!aetna.dolphins.ch!news.planetc.com!leto.ou.edu!news.ecn.uoknor.edu!news.wildstar.net!newsfeed.direct.ca!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-sea-19.sprintlink.net!news-in-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!204.244.4.2!news.westel.com!news.skybus.com!204.244.247.124 In article <0000349129D1.NO_UCE@mauve.demon.co.uk> 0000349129D1.NO_UCE@mauve.demon.co.uk (Ian Stirling) writes: >Silly thought of the day. >Would those small microwaves made for trucks fit a 5.25" drive bay? Yes, but only if it's a full-height bay. (You know you're old when you can remember what that is.) -- cgibbs@sky.bus.com (Charlie Gibbs) Remove the first period after the "at" sign to reply. ###### From: Ian Stirling <0000349129D1.NO_UCE@mauve.demon.co.uk> Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Y2K Nit (Re: Y2K) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 12:10:57 GMT Organization: None. Message-ID: <0000349129D1.NO_UCE@mauve.demon.co.uk> References: <347D5CE9.5219@example.com> <3483408D.10EB@nospamus.oracle.com> <34911671.821238@news.ns.net> <66p6ac$caa2@eccws1.dearborn.ford.com> <66q7bv$3mk$1@news1.bu.edu> X-Mail2News-User: Send.NO_UCE@mauve.demon.co.uk X-Mail2News-Path: post-20.mail.demon.net!post.mail.demon.net!mauve.demon.co.uk X-Trace: mail2news.demon.co.uk 881945281 6339 Send.NO_UCE mauve.demon.co.uk X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net User-Agent: tin/pre-1.4-971106 (UNIX) (Linux/2.0.30 (i486)) X-Note: Anti-UCE in effect, replying should work if you are not UCE'ng X-Warning0: For unsolicited commercial email, sent or causing to be sent to my email address X-Warning1: on this message, I reserve the right to levy a charge for my time and expenses X-Warning2: of up to 100 pounds sterling per message, plus legal, penalty or other costs. Lines: 20 Path: ccw.ch!aetna.dolphins.ch!news.planetc.com!leto.ou.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!howland.erols.net!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!news.idt.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!mail2news.demon.co.uk!mauve.demon.co.uk!0000349129D1.NO_UCE Andrew Turley wrote: : Tom Harrington (tph@longhorn.uucp) wrote: : : I know it sounds silly at first, but there's no reason to assume that : : embedded processors are y2k compliant. If the VCR or the microwave won't : : work after 1/1/2000, it probably won't kill the company or anything. But : : it might need replacing, so any estimate of y2k costs needs to account : : for it. And if the company car(s) won't start, some businesses could : : be in serious trouble. : I know I will probably not be the only one to say this, but I'm going to say : it anyway. If your microwave (I assume we are talking about microwave ovens) Silly thought of the day. Would those small microwaves made for trucks fit a 5.25" drive bay? -- Ian Stirling. Designing a linux PDA, see http://www.mauve.demon.co.uk/ ----- ******* If replying by email, check notices in header ******* ----- "Looks like his brainwaves crash a little short of the beach..." Duckman. ###### From: "Julian Thomas" Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Y2K Nit (Re: Y2K) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 97 12:54:04 -0500 Organization: epix Internet Services Lines: 17 Message-ID: <34917a5c$1$wg$mr2ice@news.epix.net> References: <347D5CE9.5219@example.com> <3483408D.10EB@nospamus.oracle.com> <34911671.821238@news.ns.net> <66p6ac$caa2@eccws1.dearborn.ford.com> <66q7bv$3mk$1@news1.bu.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: tmbg-115ppp59.epix.net X-Newsreader: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v1.43 b43 Path: ccw.ch!aetna.dolphins.ch!news.planetc.com!leto.ou.edu!news.onenet.net!news.oru.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-pull.sprintlink.net!news-in-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!199.224.117.13!news3.epix.net!news1.epix.net!not-for-mail In <66q7bv$3mk$1@news1.bu.edu>, on 12/12/97 at 02:26 AM, aturley@bu.edu (Andrew Turley) said: > One possible exception is if you have a clock in your microwave that >automatically adjusts for daylight savings time. And that could be done >quite easily without knowing the time. That would be a big seller in Arizona and Indiana ! -- Julian & Mary Jane Thomas jt@epix.net http://www.epix.net/~jt In the beautiful Finger Lakes Wine Country of New York State! -------------------------------------------------- If you want it done right, forget Microsoft. ###### From: nickb@primenet.com (Nick S Bensema) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban,alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Y2K Nit (Re: Y2K) Date: 12 Dec 1997 16:09:00 -0700 Organization: PrImE NuT (602)864-1005 <--- <--- <--- Lines: 24 Message-ID: <66sg6c$61k@nntp02.primenet.com> References: <347D5CE9.5219@example.com> <66qi4p$7bh@nntp02.primenet.com> <66qle9$ncu$1@news.ncal.verio.com> <66rptv$q9i$1@nntp.ucs.ubc.ca> X-Posted-By: nickb@206.165.6.206 (nickb) X-Battlestar-Galactica-Date: 2349 croutons, 58 futons, SIX HECTARES! X-Newsreader: trn 4.0-test58 (13 May 97) Path: ccw.ch!aetna.dolphins.ch!news.planetc.com!leto.ou.edu!news.ecn.uoknor.edu!news.eng.convex.com!cs.utexas.edu!www.nntp.primenet.com!globalcenter1!news.primenet.com!not-for-mail In article <66rptv$q9i$1@nntp.ucs.ubc.ca>, Tim Shoppa wrote: >In article <66qle9$ncu$1@news.ncal.verio.com>, >David Hatunen wrote: >>While the date rarely appears in normal usage, it does appear at the time of >>setup where it is needed so that the day of the week is correct for the >>date. With the date properly set, two of my VCRs automatically switch on >>and off Daylight Time at the right time of year; since this is always on a >>Sunday, it is important that the internal year be set correctly. > >What about the wonderful people who live in Eastern Indiana - with >the exception of Starke County - and who have >decided not to follow daylight savings time? Is there an "Eastern >Indiana except for Starke County" setting on your VCR, too? I live in Arizona. And I don't think my VCR even has an Auto Daylight option. I imagine other people who own this model in other states will no doubt have to be operated manually, too. -- Nick Bensema 98-KUPD Red Card #710563 UIN: 2135445 ~~~~ ~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Prepare ship for ludicruos speed! http://www.climatefacts.org/ - Everyone but the bad boys have to behave. ###### From: shoppa@alph02.triumf.ca (Tim Shoppa) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban,alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Y2K Nit (Re: Y2K) Date: 12 Dec 1997 16:49:03 GMT Organization: TRIUMF, Canada's National Meson Facility Message-ID: <66rptv$q9i$1@nntp.ucs.ubc.ca> References: <347D5CE9.5219@example.com> <66q9pp$349@sifon.cc.mcgill.ca> <66qi4p$7bh@nntp02.primenet.com> <66qle9$ncu$1@news.ncal.verio.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: alph02.triumf.ca Lines: 14 Path: ccw.ch!aetna.dolphins.ch!news.planetc.com!leto.ou.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.maxwell.syr.edu!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!164.67.42.145!awabi.library.ucla.edu!137.82.194.1!unixg.ubc.ca!alph02.triumf.ca!shoppa In article <66qle9$ncu$1@news.ncal.verio.com>, David Hatunen wrote: >While the date rarely appears in normal usage, it does appear at the time of >setup where it is needed so that the day of the week is correct for the >date. With the date properly set, two of my VCRs automatically switch on >and off Daylight Time at the right time of year; since this is always on a >Sunday, it is important that the internal year be set correctly. What about the wonderful people who live in Eastern Indiana - with the exception of Starke County - and who have decided not to follow daylight savings time? Is there an "Eastern Indiana except for Starke County" setting on your VCR, too? Tim. (shoppa@triumf.ca) ###### Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban,alt.folklore.computers Followup-To: alt.folklore.computers From: Russell Schulz Reply-To: Russell Schulz Subject: Re: Y2K Nit (Re: Y2K) Message-ID: <19971212.170150.4q9.rnr.w164w@locutus.ofB.ORG> Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 17:01:50 +0000 References: <34911671.821238@news.ns.net> Organization: Private System, London SW19, UK MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mail-Policy: you may reply to this message. you may NOT add me to a list. X-Newsreader: rnr v2.30 Lines: 15 Path: ccw.ch!aetna.dolphins.ch!news.planetc.com!leto.ou.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!news.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!4.1.16.34!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!rill.news.pipex.net!pipex!uunetukout!warm.news.pipex.net!pipex!news.pcug.co.uk!alpha3!Russell_Schulz tsw@cagent.com (Tom Watson) writes: > The company TV. (Makes as much sense as monitors :-) more sense, probably. many TVs have calendars in them. > Your telephone (this is a biggie!!). `that call has been on hold for 100 years now...' > Your checkbook (many have the year prewritten as "19__"). I've been wondering why they haven't been prewritten as `199_' lately. -- Russell_Schulz@locutus.ofB.ORG Shad 86c ###### From: gberigan@cse.unl.edu (Greg Berigan) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban,alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Y2K Nit (Re: Y2K) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 17:07:28 -0700 Organization: http://cse.unl.edu/~gberigan/ Lines: 45 Message-ID: References: <347D5CE9.5219@example.com> <3483408D.10EB@nospamus.oracle.com> <34911671.821238@news.ns.net> <66p6ac$caa2@eccws1.dearborn.ford.com> <66pvac$6ok$1@xs2.xs4all.nl> NNTP-Posting-Host: abeln730a.unl.edu X-Newsreader: MT-NewsWatcher 2.3.5 User-Agent: MT-NewsWatcher/2.3.5 X-Face: ZFtFvHS5S$A1psPzniMqb^/rZ:p6ekB-VFrEmh|`fm1ot%B?wIRZ$@_f2wXz7 z>JhMT= Path: ccw.ch!aetna.dolphins.ch!news.planetc.com!leto.ou.edu!news.onenet.net!news.oru.edu!newspeer.monmouth.com!news.idt.net!news-peer-east.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-sea-19.sprintlink.net!news-in-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!206.139.252.9!feed.newsreader.com!newsfeed.inetnebr.com!crcnews.unl.edu!gberigan rjn@pobox.com (Fidelio) wrote: >tph@longhorn.uucp (Tom Harrington) writes: >> I know it sounds silly at first, but there's no reason to assume that >> embedded processors are y2k compliant. If the VCR or the microwave won't >> work after 1/1/2000, it probably won't kill the company or anything. I can see that in a VCR. Mine only allocated 1 nibble for the year and works only for 1/1/1995 to 12/31/2009, which won't be good for the falling of leap years. My mother's, which could only tune channels 2 to 13, would work perfectly since it doesn't give a damn about the month, day, or year, only the day of the week. My watch has month, day, and day of week, but not year, but I plan on replacing it anyway. My camcorder goes from 1991 to 2020, so at least it will keep the leap years going, wrapping around from 2020 to 1991 until the year 2100. >> But >> it might need replacing, so any estimate of y2k costs needs to account >> for it. And if the company car(s) won't start, some businesses could >> be in serious trouble. > It's funny how people keep thinking the Y2K problem is related to > internal clock chips, and how it will affect people jan 1st 2000. There > are many Y2K problem, many of which are visible long before this date. > > An example is credit cards, which have an expiration date. Mine says > 11/98. They are generally issued, and then valid for 3 years, so on > jan 1st 1997 they started issuing cards which were 01/00. Now, this > quickly identified some software that compared this to the current > date and said 'Nope, this card has expired' right away, because > 00 < 97. This problem has hopefully been fixed already, since more and > more new cards are valid until 2000 or 2001. Actually, the credit card companies knew this was going to be a problem and had told the banks issuing cards not to generate any cards that have expiry dates after 1999. Some issued them anyway and those people unlucky enough to get them had hassles dealing with vendors who hadn't been upgraded yet. I'd hope they'd gotten everything fixed by now. -- _-<#)-=# http://cse.unl.edu/~gberigan/War-of-the-Worlds/ ___/___ _-~_--<###) Due to widespread abuse, I no longer read any messages <~c>' __--< from users who employ munged addresses in their headers. \_--=____#) "We've upped our standards, so up yours." -- Pat Paulsen '88 ###### From: hatunen@shell. (David Hatunen) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban,alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Y2K Nit (Re: Y2K) Date: 12 Dec 1997 21:07:24 GMT Organization: Verio Northern California Lines: 26 Message-ID: <66s92c$khn$1@news.ncal.verio.com> References: <347D5CE9.5219@example.com> <66qi4p$7bh@nntp02.primenet.com> <66qle9$ncu$1@news.ncal.verio.com> <66rptv$q9i$1@nntp.ucs.ubc.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: shell.wco.com X-Newsposter: trn 4.0-test56 (2 Mar 97) Path: ccw.ch!aetna.dolphins.ch!news.planetc.com!leto.ou.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!peerfeed.ncal.verio.net!news.ncal.verio.com!not-for-mail In article <66rptv$q9i$1@nntp.ucs.ubc.ca>, Tim Shoppa wrote: >In article <66qle9$ncu$1@news.ncal.verio.com>, >David Hatunen wrote: >>While the date rarely appears in normal usage, it does appear at the time of >>setup where it is needed so that the day of the week is correct for the >>date. With the date properly set, two of my VCRs automatically switch on >>and off Daylight Time at the right time of year; since this is always on a >>Sunday, it is important that the internal year be set correctly. > >What about the wonderful people who live in Eastern Indiana - with >the exception of Starke County - and who have >decided not to follow daylight savings time? Is there an "Eastern >Indiana except for Starke County" setting on your VCR, too? Still using that VCR with the turret tuner, eh? What the hey, Beta is a superior format, they say. No, silly. One of the setup options is to turn Auto Daylight Time on or off. -- *********** DAVE HATUNEN (hatunen@wco.com) ************ * Daly City California: * * where San Francisco meets The Peninsula * ******* and the San Andreas Fault meets the Sea ******* ###### From: bobward@gte.net (Bob Ward) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban,alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Y2K Nit (Re: Y2K) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 21:08:24 GMT Organization: gte.net Lines: 15 Message-ID: <66s8hl$h0n$1@gte2.gte.net> References: <347D5CE9.5219@example.com> <3483408D.10EB@nospamus.oracle.com> <34911671.821238@news.ns.net> <66p6ac$caa2@eccws1.dearborn.ford.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 1cust54.tnt1.san-bernardino.ca.da.uu.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Auth: D459914F099EC0C810CE8491 X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 X-No-Archive: yes Path: ccw.ch!aetna.dolphins.ch!news.planetc.com!wilbur.ohww.norman.ok.us!news.gte.net!not-for-mail On 11 Dec 1997 17:02:04 GMT, tph@longhorn.uucp (Tom Harrington) wrote: > >I know it sounds silly at first, but there's no reason to assume that >embedded processors are y2k compliant. If the VCR or the microwave won't >work after 1/1/2000, it probably won't kill the company or anything. But >it might need replacing, so any estimate of y2k costs needs to account >for it. And if the company car(s) won't start, some businesses could >be in serious trouble. Am I missing something? Why would a microwave oven need to know the year? Are there people programming those things that far in advance? ###### From: hartman@NOSPAM.tconl.com (P.J. Hartman) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban,alt.folklore.computers,alt.religion.kibology Subject: Re: Y2K Nit (Re: Y2K) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 23:00:29 GMT Organization: TeleChoice Online Lines: 19 Message-ID: <34a9a4e3.620920583@news.uswest.net> References: <347D5CE9.5219@example.com> <66p6ac$caa2@eccws1.dearborn.ford.com> <66q9pp$349@sifon.cc.mcgill.ca> <66qcmc$4vc@nntp02.primenet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p-066.newsdawg.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 Path: ccw.ch!aetna.dolphins.ch!news.planetc.com!leto.ou.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!mic.fibernet.net!newsfeed.direct.ca!zdc!szdc!super.zippo.com!newsp.zippo.com!snews3 nickb@primenet.com (Nick S Bensema) wrote: >And I just realized that the year date is USELESS on my VCR for >any other purpose than predicting leap years and determining >weekdays. I never see the year displayed anywhere but where I >enter it. Consequently, I could probably leave it like this and, >provided the backup battery holds out, I won't have to change it >until 2091. Both 1985 and 1997 make the 11th of December a Thursday, >and the year after a leap year, so I sort of detect a pattern. >Unless 2000 isn't a leap year, in which case the Julian calendar >has conveniently screwed me again. If you do need to "turn back the clock" on any such device, do so by 28 years, or a multiple thereof. The calendar repeats itself every 28 years (from 1901 to 2099). -- P.J. Hartman hartman{at}tconl{dot}com MIND THE GAP http://www.tconl.com/~hartman 41°18'07"N 95°53'37"W ###### From: jacoby@harbor.ecn.purdue.edu (David Jacoby) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban,alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Y2K Nit (Re: Y2K) Date: 12 Dec 1997 23:09:10 GMT Organization: Purdue University, W. Lafayette, IN Lines: 24 Message-ID: <66sg6m$i17@mozo.cc.purdue.edu> References: <347D5CE9.5219@example.com> <66qle9$ncu$1@news.ncal.verio.com> <66rptv$q9i$1@nntp.ucs.ubc.ca> <66s92c$khn$1@news.ncal.verio.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: harbor.ecn.purdue.edu Path: ccw.ch!aetna.dolphins.ch!news.planetc.com!leto.ou.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!howland.erols.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-pull.sprintlink.net!news-in-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!199.1.13.10!news1.channel1.com!news.pn.com!nntp.pn.com!mozo.cc.purdue.edu!harbor.ecn.purdue.edu!jacoby >>What about the wonderful people who live in Eastern Indiana - with >>the exception of Starke County - and who have >>decided not to follow daylight savings time? Is there an "Eastern >>Indiana except for Starke County" setting on your VCR, too? >No, silly. One of the setup options is to turn Auto Daylight Time on or off. I live there, and there ain't no such option on my VCRs. Of course, it doesn't come with all the bells and whistles, like checking w/ Greenwich for time and autoejecting horrible films. >-- > *********** DAVE HATUNEN (hatunen@wco.com) ************ > * Daly City California: * > * where San Francisco meets The Peninsula * > ******* and the San Andreas Fault meets the Sea ******* Dave, whose going to try to Y2K break his VCR tonight. -- David Jacoby mailto:jacoby@ecn.purdue.edu Web Technician and Librarian http://harbor.ecn.purdue.edu/~jacoby/ Engineering Computer Network What do you want? Perl can do that! --------------------------------------------------------------------- ###### From: hnsngr@sirius.com (Ron Hunsinger) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban,alt.folklore.computers,alt.religion.kibology Subject: Re: Y2K Nit (Re: Y2K) Date: Sat, 13 Dec 1997 00:22:17 -0800 Organization: ErsteSoft Lines: 40 Message-ID: References: <347D5CE9.5219@example.com> <66p6ac$caa2@eccws1.dearborn.ford.com> <66q9pp$349@sifon.cc.mcgill.ca> <66qcmc$4vc@nntp02.primenet.com> <34a9a4e3.620920583@news.uswest.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp-asft01--023.sirius.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Newsreader: Yet Another NewsWatcher 2.3.1 Path: ccw.ch!aetna.dolphins.ch!news.planetc.com!leto.ou.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!news.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!206.229.87.25!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-pull.sprintlink.net!news-in-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!204.156.128.20!news1.best.com!newshub.sirius.com!newsfiler.sirius.com!hnsngr In article <34a9a4e3.620920583@news.uswest.net>, hartman@NOSPAM.tconl.com (P.J. Hartman) wrote: > nickb@primenet.com (Nick S Bensema) wrote: > > >And I just realized that the year date is USELESS on my VCR for > >any other purpose than predicting leap years and determining > >weekdays. I never see the year displayed anywhere but where I > >enter it. Consequently, I could probably leave it like this and, > >provided the backup battery holds out, I won't have to change it > >until 2091. Both 1985 and 1997 make the 11th of December a Thursday, > >and the year after a leap year, so I sort of detect a pattern. > >Unless 2000 isn't a leap year, in which case the Julian calendar > >has conveniently screwed me again. > > If you do need to "turn back the clock" on any such device, do so by > 28 years, or a multiple thereof. The calendar repeats itself every 28 > years (from 1901 to 2099). That'll get day-of-week right, and even leap years right, but it won't get VCR+ codes right. The VCR can't decipher a VCR+ code without knowing the month and last two digits of the year. Yes, folks, that's right! The exact same code can mean one thing in January 1998, something else in February 1998, and something entirely different in January 1999. For example, the code 12345 can mean: 1/16/1998 22:00 for 120 minutes on channel 28, or 2/16/1998 16:00 for 60 minutes on channel 28, or 1/16/1999 7:30 for 30 minutes on channel 16. The VCR+ code always decodes to a unique day-of-month, which the VCR uses to tell whether it should use this month's key or next month's key to decipher the rest of the code. But if you've got the month OR YEAR entered incorrectly, it'll get the start time, duration, and channel number wrong. The simple solution, of course, is to go ahead and set it back 28 years anyway, and swear off using VCR+ codes. Not a terribly big loss. -Ron Hunsinger ###### From: raphael@willy.cs.mcgill.ca (Louis RAPHAEL) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Y2K Nit (Re: Y2K) Date: 13 Dec 1997 02:56:19 GMT Organization: McGill University Computing Centre Lines: 18 Message-ID: <66stgj$ah3@sifon.cc.mcgill.ca> References: <347D5CE9.5219@example.com> <34911671.821238@news.ns.net> <34907065.D5DE1872@usask.ca> <66qa2f$349@sifon.cc.mcgill.ca> <66qd78$5ai@nntp02.primenet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: willy.cs.mcgill.ca X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Path: ccw.ch!aetna.dolphins.ch!news.planetc.com!leto.ou.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!news.uoregon.edu!newsxfer3.itd.umich.edu!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!news.mcgill.ca!willy!raphael Nick S Bensema (nickb@primenet.com) wrote: : In article <66qa2f$349@sifon.cc.mcgill.ca>, : Louis RAPHAEL wrote: : >I *could* see some air-traffic control systems possibly having : >problems. Ordinary cars? Puh-lease... : Yeah, air-traffic computers revert to 1900 and suddenly the radar screens : are full of biplanes. :-) See, that's the thing - I don't know if it would even matter... after all, what does it matter to them what date it is? The only problem would be if there are scheduled events/flights/whatever that are expected. Even then, I doubt that they work on *expected* that much anyways... so 1900 *should* be all right, after all... Time travel! Louis ###### From: Robert Billing Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Y2K Nit (Re: Y2K) Date: Sat, 13 Dec 97 08:58:57 GMT Message-ID: <882003537snz@tnglwood.demon.co.uk> References: <34911671.821238@news.ns.net> <66p6ac$caa2@eccws1.dearborn.ford.com> <66q7bv$3mk$1@news1.bu.edu> <0000349129D1.NO_UCE@mauve.demon.co.uk> <403.285T2838T6666239@sky.bus.com> Reply-To: unclebob@tnglwood.demon.co.uk X-Mail2News-User: unclebob@tnglwood.demon.co.uk X-Mail2News-Path: post-10.mail.demon.net!post.mail.demon.net!tnglwood.demon.co.uk X-Trace: mail2news.demon.co.uk 882009406 14400 unclebob tnglwood.demon.co.uk X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net X-Newsreader: Demon Internet Simple News v1.29 Lines: 17 Path: ccw.ch!aetna.dolphins.ch!news.planetc.com!news.telenet.pt!news.rccn.net!global-one.pt!news-raspail.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!mail2news.demon.co.uk!tnglwood.demon.co.uk!unclebob In article <403.285T2838T6666239@sky.bus.com> cgibbs@sky.bus.com "Charlie Gibbs" writes: > Yes, but only if it's a full-height bay. > > (You know you're old when you can remember what that is.) My kitchen microwave would probably fit the rack space taken by a dual RK05. I suppose that makes me *seriously* old. -- I am Robert Billing, Christian, inventor, traveller, cook and animal lover, I live near 0:46W 51:22N. http://www.tnglwood.demon.co.uk/ "Bother," said Pooh, "Eeyore, ready two photon torpedoes and lock phasers on the Heffalump, Piglet, meet me in transporter room three" ###### From: Robert Billing Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban,alt.folklore.computers,alt.religion.kibology Subject: Re: Y2K Nit (Re: Y2K) Date: Sat, 13 Dec 97 09:01:44 GMT Message-ID: <882003704snz@tnglwood.demon.co.uk> References: <347D5CE9.5219@example.com> <66p6ac$caa2@eccws1.dearborn.ford.com> <66q9pp$349@sifon.cc.mcgill.ca> <66qcmc$4vc@nntp02.primenet.com> <34a9a4e3.620920583@news.uswest.net> Reply-To: unclebob@tnglwood.demon.co.uk X-Mail2News-User: unclebob@tnglwood.demon.co.uk X-Mail2News-Path: post-10.mail.demon.net!post.mail.demon.net!tnglwood.demon.co.uk X-Trace: mail2news.demon.co.uk 882009406 14406 unclebob tnglwood.demon.co.uk X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net X-Newsreader: Demon Internet Simple News v1.29 Lines: 16 Path: ccw.ch!aetna.dolphins.ch!news.planetc.com!news-xfer.siscom.net!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!mail2news.demon.co.uk!tnglwood.demon.co.uk!unclebob In article hnsngr@sirius.com "Ron Hunsinger" writes: > The simple solution, of course, is to go ahead and set it back 28 years > anyway, and swear off using VCR+ codes. Not a terribly big loss. Did that anyway when I realised that the algorithm is not published, and hence VCR+ can't be interfaced to Linux... -- I am Robert Billing, Christian, inventor, traveller, cook and animal lover, I live near 0:46W 51:22N. http://www.tnglwood.demon.co.uk/ "Bother," said Pooh, "Eeyore, ready two photon torpedoes and lock phasers on the Heffalump, Piglet, meet me in transporter room three" ###### From: evansdb@netaxs.com@netaxs.com (Dan Evans) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban,alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Y2K Nit (Re: Y2K) Date: 13 Dec 1997 14:02:42 GMT Organization: newsread.com ISP News Reading Service Lines: 22 Message-ID: <66u4i2$eti@netaxs.com> References: <347D5CE9.5219@example.com> <3483408D.10EB@nospamus.oracle.com> <34911671.821238@news.ns.net> <66p6ac$caa2@eccws1.dearborn.ford.com> Reply-To: evansdb@netaxs.com (Dan Evans) NNTP-Posting-Host: downtown1-5.slip.netaxs.com X-Newsreader: IBM NewsReader/2 v1.09 Path: ccw.ch!aetna.dolphins.ch!news.planetc.com!leto.ou.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-xfer.netaxs.com!netaxs.com!usenet In <66p6ac$caa2@eccws1.dearborn.ford.com>, tph@longhorn.uucp (Tom Harrington) writes: >I know it sounds silly at first, but there's no reason to assume that >embedded processors are y2k compliant. If the VCR or the microwave won't >work after 1/1/2000, it probably won't kill the company or anything. But >it might need replacing, so any estimate of y2k costs needs to account >for it. And if the company car(s) won't start, some businesses could >be in serious trouble. How many embedded processors are aware of the date? My microwave likes to know what time it is, but seems blissfully unaware of the day or year. I have no reason to believe that dates are even relevant to the ignition system of a car. And most people's VCRs are still blinking "12:00", so who cares? Dan Evans ********************** *This is not legal advice unless *you agreed to pay for it. *http://www.netaxs.com/~evansdb ###### From: "Jeff Henkels" Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban,alt.folklore.computers,alt.religion.kibology Subject: Re: Y2K Nit (Re: Y2K) Date: 13 Dec 1997 18:30:31 GMT Organization: Bush Tucker Software Lines: 20 Message-ID: <01bd07f5$66262600$7b3756d1@extensa> References: <347D5CE9.5219@example.com> <66p6ac$caa2@eccws1.dearborn.ford.com> <66q9pp$349@sifon.cc.mcgill.ca> <66qcmc$4vc@nntp02.primenet.com> <34a9a4e3.620920583@news.uswest.net> <882003704snz@tnglwood.demon.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: user-38lcdrr.dialup.mindspring.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1161 Path: ccw.ch!aetna.dolphins.ch!news.planetc.com!news-xfer.siscom.net!204.186.0.13.MISMATCH!ptdnetP!newsgate.ptd.net!fastnet!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!207.69.200.61!mindspring!news.mindspring.com!usenet Robert Billing wrote in article <882003704snz@tnglwood.demon.co.uk>... > In article > hnsngr@sirius.com "Ron Hunsinger" writes: > > Did that anyway when I realised that the algorithm is not published, > and hence VCR+ can't be interfaced to Linux... > Actually, the algorithm has been reverse-engineered. There's a VCRPlus decoding/encoding program available for PCs; look around the net or CompuServe for VCRPLS.ZIP; if it includes source, you should be able to port it to any Unix variant you like. A quick Yahoo search on "VCRPlus" shows several repositories of VCRPlus code programs. Cecil Adams, in "Return of The Straight Dope" (ISBN 0-345-38111-4), pages 297-299, describes the algorithm at a high level, and gives a cite for the full algorithm (published in Cryptologia in 1992 by Shirriff, Welch, and Kinsman). ###### Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban,alt.folklore.computers From: kalliank@thunder.indstate.edu ( ) Subject: Re: Y2K Nit (Re: Y2K) Message-ID: Followup-To: alt.folklore.urban,alt.folklore.computers Sender: news@onyx.indstate.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: thunder.indstate.edu Organization: Indiana State University X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] References: <347D5CE9.5219@example.com> <66q9pp$349@sifon.cc.mcgill.ca> <66qi4p$7bh@nntp02.primenet.com> <66qle9$ncu$1@news.ncal.verio.com> <66rptv$q9i$1@nntp.ucs.ubc.ca> Date: Sat, 13 Dec 1997 22:33:16 GMT Lines: 18 Path: ccw.ch!aetna.dolphins.ch!news.planetc.com!leto.ou.edu!news.ecn.uoknor.edu!news.wildstar.net!newsfeed.direct.ca!news2.chicago.iagnet.net!iagnet.net!129.79.5.185!news.indiana.edu!onyx.indstate.edu!thunder.indstate.edu!kalliank Tim Shoppa (shoppa@alph02.triumf.ca) wrote: : What about the wonderful people who live in Eastern Indiana - with : the exception of Starke County - and who have : decided not to follow daylight savings time? Afaik, no county in Indiana goes by DST. Where I am - Vigo county, west Indiana, we don't. :Is there an "Eastern : Indiana except for Starke County" setting on your VCR, too? : Tim. (shoppa@triumf.ca) -- --------------------------------------------------Keshav Kallianpur ###### From: "Rick Cortese" Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban,alt.folklore.computers,alt.religion.kibology References: <347D5CE9.5219@example.com> <66p6ac$caa2@eccws1.dearborn.ford.com> <66q9pp$349@sifon.cc.mcgill.ca> <66qcmc$4vc@nntp02.primenet.com> <34a9a4e3.620920583@news.uswest.net> Subject: Re: Y2K Nit (Re: Y2K) Date: Sun, 14 Dec 1997 00:17:47 -0800 Lines: 36 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp3-03.sj.netmagic.net Message-ID: <3493a630.0@news.netmagic.net> Path: ccw.ch!aetna.dolphins.ch!news.planetc.com!news-xfer.siscom.net!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news1.best.com!news.netmagic.net!ppp3-03.sj.netmagic.net Ron Hunsinger wrote in message ... >In article <34a9a4e3.620920583@news.uswest.net>, hartman@NOSPAM.tconl.com >(P.J. Hartman) wrote: > >> nickb@primenet.com (Nick S Bensema) wrote: >> >> >And I just realized that the year date is USELESS on my VCR for >The VCR+ code always decodes to a unique day-of-month, which the VCR uses >to tell whether it should use this month's key or next month's key to >decipher the rest of the code. But if you've got the month OR YEAR entered >incorrectly, it'll get the start time, duration, and channel number wrong. > >The simple solution, of course, is to go ahead and set it back 28 years >anyway, and swear off using VCR+ codes. Not a terribly big loss. > >-Ron Hunsinger > What would REALLY make a lot of sense to me is all information for day/date should be broadcast during the verticle blank interupt. Seeing as how everyone just has a blinking 12:00 anyway, just have the VCR, TV, what-have-you program it's own time. Since most of the gizmos have a microprocessor in there anyway eliminating all those extra buttons should be cost effective. Rick ###### Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban,alt.folklore.computers From: Derry Hamilton Subject: Re: Y2K Nit (Re: Y2K) In-Reply-To: <66u4i2$eti@netaxs.com> X-Nntp-Posting-Host: tardis.tardis.ed.ac.uk Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Message-ID: Sender: cnews@dcs.ed.ac.uk (UseNet News Admin) Organization: Department of Computer Science, Edinburgh University References: <347D5CE9.5219@example.com> <3483408D.10EB@nospamus.oracle.com> <34911671.821238@news.ns.net> <66p6ac$caa2@eccws1.dearborn.ford.com> <66u4i2$eti@netaxs.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Sun, 14 Dec 1997 15:55:37 GMT Lines: 21 Path: ccw.ch!aetna.dolphins.ch!news.planetc.com!leto.ou.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!rill.news.pipex.net!pipex!uunetukout!server1.netnews.ja.net!newsfeed.ed.ac.uk!dcs.ed.ac.uk!tardis.tardis.ed.ac.uk!rasilon On 13 Dec 1997 evansdb@netaxs.com wrote: > How many embedded processors are aware of the date? My microwave > likes to know what time it is, but seems blissfully unaware of the day or > year. I have no reason to believe that dates are even relevant to the > ignition system of a car. > > And most people's VCRs are still blinking "12:00", so who cares? The date occurs in a whole lot of odd things where there is no reason to care. An SRAM chip I used a wee while back came complete with an internal clock, the top six(?) bytes were the clock, entirely useless since it was being used to record integer data, but unless you disabled the clock, it would roll over and die come y2k. Similar is true of a lot of 555 chips that were used until a few years ago. Derry Hamilton rasilon@tardis.ed.ac.uk ###### From: Robert Billing Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban,alt.folklore.computers,alt.religion.kibology Subject: Re: Y2K Nit (Re: Y2K) Date: Sun, 14 Dec 97 17:12:29 GMT Message-ID: <882119549snz@tnglwood.demon.co.uk> References: <01bd07f5$66262600$7b3756d1@extensa> Reply-To: unclebob@tnglwood.demon.co.uk X-Mail2News-User: unclebob@tnglwood.demon.co.uk X-Mail2News-Path: post-20.mail.demon.net!post.mail.demon.net!tnglwood.demon.co.uk X-Trace: mail2news.demon.co.uk 882121295 28527 unclebob tnglwood.demon.co.uk X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net X-Newsreader: Demon Internet Simple News v1.29 Lines: 16 Path: ccw.ch!aetna.dolphins.ch!news.planetc.com!leto.ou.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!netnews.com!news.idt.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!mail2news.demon.co.uk!tnglwood.demon.co.uk!unclebob In article <01bd07f5$66262600$7b3756d1@extensa> jeff@crusoe.com--- "Jeff Henkels" writes: > Actually, the algorithm has been reverse-engineered. There's a That's the problem. Like all third party, reverse engineered documentation, it doesn't tell you what changes are allowable in the future. Give me back my Great Gray Wall. -- I am Robert Billing, Christian, inventor, traveller, cook and animal lover, I live near 0:46W 51:22N. http://www.tnglwood.demon.co.uk/ "Bother," said Pooh, "Eeyore, ready two photon torpedoes and lock phasers on the Heffalump, Piglet, meet me in transporter room three" ###### From: shoppa@alph02.triumf.ca (Tim Shoppa) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban,alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Y2K Nit (Re: Y2K) Date: 14 Dec 1997 17:15:44 GMT Organization: TRIUMF, Canada's National Meson Facility Lines: 13 Message-ID: <671480$ai3$1@nntp.ucs.ubc.ca> References: <347D5CE9.5219@example.com> <66p6ac$caa2@eccws1.dearborn.ford.com> <66u4i2$eti@netaxs.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: alph02.triumf.ca Path: ccw.ch!aetna.dolphins.ch!news.planetc.com!atl-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!164.67.42.145!awabi.library.ucla.edu!137.82.194.1!unixg.ubc.ca!alph02.triumf.ca!shoppa In article , Derry Hamilton wrote: >[...] it would roll over and die come y2k. >Similar is true of a lot of 555 chips ^^^ >that were used until a few years ago. Come on, Derry, you're only worrying about the date code printed on the package, right? :-) Or have I been trolled? I've been using 555's since the early/mid-70's, and I'm quite sure that nothing will happen to their operation come the year 2000. Tim. (shoppa@triumf.ca) ###### From: Jim Everman Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban,alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Y2K Nit (Re: Y2K) Date: Sun, 14 Dec 1997 20:11:13 -0600 Organization: Not very darn good... Lines: 16 Message-ID: <349491C1.7399@anet-stl.com> References: <347D5CE9.5219@example.com> <3483408D.10EB@nospamus.oracle.com> <34911671.821238@news.ns.net> <66p6ac$caa2@eccws1.dearborn.ford.com> <66u4i2$eti@netaxs.com> Reply-To: everman@anet-stl.com NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp102.anet-stl.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) Path: ccw.ch!aetna.dolphins.ch!news.planetc.com!leto.ou.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!news.algonet.se!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.cis.ohio-state.edu!opus.anet-stl.com!not-for-mail Derry Hamilton wrote: > would roll over and die come y2k. Similar is true of a lot of 555 chips > that were used until a few years ago. This is a troll. For the clueless, a 555 chip is more like an egg timer than a clock (it puts out a pulse of predetermined length everytime it's triggered), and has no internal time keeping circuits. -- Jim Everman everman@Anet-STL.com Never attribute to malice what can be adequately explained by stupidity. ###### From: "Simo Tuominen" Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban,alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Y2K Nit (Re: Y2K) Date: 14 Dec 97 23:15:02 +0200 Organization: Foo, Inc. Lines: 22 Message-ID: <34946876.MD-0.198.simotit@evitech.fi> References: <66sg6m$i17@mozo.cc.purdue.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: dialin-0-01.evitech.fi Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: MicroDot-II/AmigaOS 0.198 Path: ccw.ch!aetna.dolphins.ch!news.planetc.com!leto.ou.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!europa.clark.net!206.229.87.25!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!EU.net!news.eunet.fi!newsfeed1.funet.fi!news.evitech.fi!news jacoby@harbor.ecn.purdue.edu wrote: > >>What about the wonderful people who live in Eastern Indiana - with > >>the exception of Starke County - and who have > >>decided not to follow daylight savings time? Is there an "Eastern > >>Indiana except for Starke County" setting on your VCR, too? > > >No, silly. One of the setup options is to turn Auto Daylight Time on or off. > > I live there, and there ain't no such option on my VCRs. Of course, it doesn't > come with all the bells and whistles, like checking w/ Greenwich for time > and autoejecting horrible films. A TV with auto-shutoff for horrible films would nice too. And preferably precognition to go with that. > Dave, whose going to try to Y2K break his VCR tonight. I keep forgetting: is Y2K a leap year or not? If it isn't, I'll have to get me a new VCR. -- # simotit@evitech.fi # Any similarities between this text and # # Team AMIGA! # my opinions are purely coincidental. # ###### From: Ian Stirling <0000349471DD.NO_UCE@mauve.demon.co.uk> Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban,alt.folklore.computers,alt.religion.kibology Subject: Re: Y2K Nit (Re: Y2K) Date: Sun, 14 Dec 1997 23:55:09 GMT Organization: None. 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Lines: 36 Path: ccw.ch!aetna.dolphins.ch!news.planetc.com!leto.ou.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!howland.erols.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!baron.netcom.net.uk!netcom.net.uk!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!mail2news.demon.co.uk!mauve.demon.co.uk!0000349471DD.NO_UCE In alt.folklore.computers Jeff Henkels wrote: : Robert Billing wrote in article : <882003704snz@tnglwood.demon.co.uk>... :> In article :> hnsngr@sirius.com "Ron Hunsinger" writes: :> :> Did that anyway when I realised that the algorithm is not published, :> and hence VCR+ can't be interfaced to Linux... :> : Actually, the algorithm has been reverse-engineered. There's a Make that part of. Only for programs starting and ending on half-hourly intervals. : VCRPlus decoding/encoding program available for PCs; look around : the net or CompuServe for VCRPLS.ZIP; if it includes source, you : should be able to port it to any Unix variant you like. A quick : Yahoo search on "VCRPlus" shows several repositories of VCRPlus : code programs. : Cecil Adams, in "Return of The Straight Dope" (ISBN 0-345-38111-4), : pages 297-299, describes the algorithm at a high level, and gives : a cite for the full algorithm (published in Cryptologia in 1992 by : Shirriff, Welch, and Kinsman). See http://curtwelch.com/projects.html for more info. -- Ian Stirling. Designing a linux PDA, see http://www.mauve.demon.co.uk/ ----- ******* If replying by email, check notices in header ******* ----- 'Terror is the most effective political instrument.... I shall spread terror by the surprise employment of all my measures. The important thing is the sudden shock of an overwhelming fear of death.' Adolf Hitler. ###### From: Matt Austern Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban,alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Y2K Nit (Re: Y2K) Date: 15 Dec 1997 11:44:13 -0800 Organization: SGI Lines: 11 Message-ID: References: <66sg6m$i17@mozo.cc.purdue.edu> <34946876.MD-0.198.simotit@evitech.fi> <349547bf.0@newsfeed.uu.se> NNTP-Posting-Host: isolde.mti.sgi.com X-Newsreader: Gnus v5.5/XEmacs 20.3 - "Vatican City" Path: ccw.ch!aetna.dolphins.ch!news.planetc.com!leto.ou.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!enews.sgi.com!news.corp.sgi.com!not-for-mail Alistair J. R. Young writes: > >> I keep forgetting: is Y2K a leap year or not? If it isn't, I'll have > >> to get me a new VCR. > > > The year 2000 *is* a leap year, and if anybody tries to tell you otherwise > > they are wrong. > > But does his VCR know that for the right reason, or the wrong one? He'll find out in 2100. ###### From: t92etr@student.tdb.uu.se (Erik Trulsson) Subject: Re: Y2K Nit (Re: Y2K) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban,alt.folklore.computers References: <66sg6m$i17@mozo.cc.purdue.edu> <34946876.MD-0.198.simotit@evitech.fi> Organization: Uppsala Universitet User-Agent: tin/pre-1.4-971204 (UNIX) (SunOS/5.5.1 (sun4m)) NNTP-Posting-Host: izar.tdb.uu.se Message-ID: <349547bf.0@newsfeed.uu.se> Date: 15 Dec 97 15:07:43 GMT Lines: 32 Path: ccw.ch!aetna.dolphins.ch!news.planetc.com!atl-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news.algonet.se!fci-se!fci!newsfeed.sunet.se!news99.sunet.se!news01.sunet.se!130.238.7.13.MISMATCH!newsfeed.uu.se!izar.tdb.uu.se!t92etr In alt.folklore.computers Simo Tuominen wrote: > jacoby@harbor.ecn.purdue.edu wrote: >> >>What about the wonderful people who live in Eastern Indiana - with >> >>the exception of Starke County - and who have >> >>decided not to follow daylight savings time? Is there an "Eastern >> >>Indiana except for Starke County" setting on your VCR, too? >> >> >No, silly. One of the setup options is to turn Auto Daylight Time on or off. >> >> I live there, and there ain't no such option on my VCRs. Of course, it doesn't >> come with all the bells and whistles, like checking w/ Greenwich for time >> and autoejecting horrible films. > A TV with auto-shutoff for horrible films would nice too. And > preferably precognition to go with that. Yeah, that sure would be nice :-) >> Dave, whose going to try to Y2K break his VCR tonight. > I keep forgetting: is Y2K a leap year or not? If it isn't, I'll have > to get me a new VCR. The year 2000 *is* a leap year, and if anybody tries to tell you otherwise they are wrong. -- Erik Trulsson t92etr@student.tdb.uu.se ###### From: Robert Billing Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban,alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Y2K Nit (Re: Y2K) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 97 17:07:29 GMT Message-ID: <882205649snz@tnglwood.demon.co.uk> References: <66sg6m$i17@mozo.cc.purdue.edu> <34946876.MD-0.198.simotit@evitech.fi> <349547bf.0@newsfeed.uu.se> Reply-To: unclebob@tnglwood.demon.co.uk X-Mail2News-User: unclebob@tnglwood.demon.co.uk X-Mail2News-Path: post-10.mail.demon.net!post.mail.demon.net!tnglwood.demon.co.uk X-Trace: mail2news.demon.co.uk 882207940 8974 unclebob tnglwood.demon.co.uk X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net X-Newsreader: Demon Internet Simple News v1.29 Lines: 16 Path: ccw.ch!aetna.dolphins.ch!news.planetc.com!leto.ou.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!howland.erols.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!mail2news.demon.co.uk!tnglwood.demon.co.uk!unclebob In article <349547bf.0@newsfeed.uu.se> t92etr@student.tdb.uu.se "Erik Trulsson" writes: > The year 2000 *is* a leap year, and if anybody tries to tell you otherwise > they are wrong. For "wrong" read "going to start a 300 article thread degenerating into a flamewar." -- I am Robert Billing, Christian, inventor, traveller, cook and animal lover, I live near 0:46W 51:22N. http://www.tnglwood.demon.co.uk/ "Bother," said Pooh, "Eeyore, ready two photon torpedoes and lock phasers on the Heffalump, Piglet, meet me in transporter room three" ###### From: Robert Billing Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban,alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Y2K Nit (Re: Y2K) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 97 17:09:57 GMT Message-ID: <882205797snz@tnglwood.demon.co.uk> References: <347D5CE9.5219@example.com> <3483408D.10EB@nospamus.oracle.com> <34911671.821238@news.ns.net> <66p6ac$caa2@eccws1.dearborn.ford.com> <66u4i2$eti@netaxs.com> Reply-To: unclebob@tnglwood.demon.co.uk X-Mail2News-User: unclebob@tnglwood.demon.co.uk X-Mail2News-Path: post-10.mail.demon.net!post.mail.demon.net!tnglwood.demon.co.uk X-Trace: mail2news.demon.co.uk 882207942 8982 unclebob tnglwood.demon.co.uk X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net X-Newsreader: Demon Internet Simple News v1.29 Lines: 17 Path: ccw.ch!aetna.dolphins.ch!news.planetc.com!leto.ou.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!howland.erols.net!rill.news.pipex.net!pipex!uunetukout!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!mail2news.demon.co.uk!tnglwood.demon.co.uk!unclebob In article rasilon@tardis.ed.ac.uk "Derry Hamilton" writes: > would roll over and die come y2k. Similar is true of a lot of 555 chips > that were used until a few years ago. Since when has the 555 had any registers inside it, let alone a clock, or any address or data pins for that matter? IIRC it is a latch, two comparators, and some odds and ends like that. -- I am Robert Billing, Christian, inventor, traveller, cook and animal lover, I live near 0:46W 51:22N. http://www.tnglwood.demon.co.uk/ "Bother," said Pooh, "Eeyore, ready two photon torpedoes and lock phasers on the Heffalump, Piglet, meet me in transporter room three" ###### From: Alistair J. R. Young Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban,alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Y2K Nit (Re: Y2K) Date: 15 Dec 1997 17:48:06 +0000 Organization: Arkane Systems Ltd. Sender: avatar-usenet@esther.arkane.net Message-ID: References: <66sg6m$i17@mozo.cc.purdue.edu> <34946876.MD-0.198.simotit@evitech.fi> <349547bf.0@newsfeed.uu.se> NNTP-Posting-Host: arkane.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: arkane.demon.co.uk [158.152.145.208] Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.95) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Disclaimer: The opinions below ARE my company's, because I OWN it! X-PGP-1: id=0x6A7AB399; fprnt=5C 27 43 25 6B 32 4D 6E E7 69 EC 7B 77 46 13 92 X-PGP-2: Mail pgpkey-avatar@arkane.demon.co.uk for my public key. X-License: For copyright and related information, please see: http://www.arkane.demon.co.uk/avatar/postcopy.html X-Newsreader: Gnus v5.4.56/Emacs 19.33 Lines: 22 Path: ccw.ch!aetna.dolphins.ch!news.planetc.com!leto.ou.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!ais.net!news.idt.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!arkane.demon.co.uk!whos-awake-out-there!bofh.dot!arkane-co-astarial!arkane-net-esther!not-for-mail On 15 Dec 97 15:07:43 GMT, in message <349547bf.0@newsfeed.uu.se>, Erik Trulsson (== t92etr) praised Shub-Internet thus: > In alt.folklore.computers Simo Tuominen wrote: >> I keep forgetting: is Y2K a leap year or not? If it isn't, I'll have >> to get me a new VCR. > The year 2000 *is* a leap year, and if anybody tries to tell you otherwise > they are wrong. But does his VCR know that for the right reason, or the wrong one? Alistair -- Computational Thaumaturge -- Sysimperator, dominus retis deusque machinarum. e-mail: avatar-sig@arkane.demon.co.uk WWW: http://www.arkane.demon.co.uk/ "... are unbelievably, mind-bogglingly stupid, and pretty clumsy, as they've been bred for three hundred years entirely for breast size." -- .sig quotes of the damned, #47 in a series. ###### From: hatunen@shell. (David Hatunen) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban,alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Y2K Nit (Re: Y2K) Date: 15 Dec 1997 19:18:27 GMT Organization: Verio Northern California Lines: 24 Message-ID: <673vq3$dsp$1@news.ncal.verio.com> References: <66sg6m$i17@mozo.cc.purdue.edu> <34946876.MD-0.198.simotit@evitech.fi> <349547bf.0@newsfeed.uu.se> NNTP-Posting-Host: shell.wco.com X-Newsposter: trn 4.0-test56 (2 Mar 97) Path: ccw.ch!aetna.dolphins.ch!news.planetc.com!leto.ou.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!ais.net!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!peerfeed.ncal.verio.net!news.ncal.verio.com!not-for-mail In article , Alistair J. R. Young wrote: >On 15 Dec 97 15:07:43 GMT, in message <349547bf.0@newsfeed.uu.se>, >Erik Trulsson (== t92etr) >praised Shub-Internet thus: > >> In alt.folklore.computers Simo Tuominen wrote: > >>> I keep forgetting: is Y2K a leap year or not? If it isn't, I'll have >>> to get me a new VCR. > >> The year 2000 *is* a leap year, and if anybody tries to tell you otherwise >> they are wrong. > >But does his VCR know that for the right reason, or the wrong one? We'll find out if it doean't make the right correction in 2100... -- *********** DAVE HATUNEN (hatunen@wco.com) ************ * Daly City California: * * where San Francisco meets The Peninsula * ******* and the San Andreas Fault meets the Sea ******* ###### From: TonyLima@ms.spacebbs.com (Tony Lima) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban,alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Y2K Nit (Re: Y2K) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 20:27:51 GMT Organization: Nope, none Lines: 8 Sender: @207.204.228.203 Message-ID: <34959238.14823159@news.spacebbs.com> References: <347D5CE9.5219@example.com> <3483408D.10EB@nospamus.oracle.com> <34911671.821238@news.ns.net> <66p6ac$caa2@eccws1.dearborn.ford.com> <66u4i2$eti@netaxs.com> Reply-To: TonyLima@ms.spacebbs.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 7879@207.204.228.203 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/16.451 Path: ccw.ch!aetna.dolphins.ch!news.planetc.com!leto.ou.edu!news.ecn.uoknor.edu!news.eng.convex.com!newsgate.duke.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!newsrelay.netins.net!news1.chicago.iagnet.net!iagnet.net!peerfeed.ncal.verio.net!Supernews60!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail On 13 Dec 1997 14:02:42 GMT, evansdb@netaxs.com@netaxs.com (Dan Evans) wrote: [bfsnip] >And most people's VCRs are still blinking "12:00", so who cares? Oh, come on -- use that black electrical tape for what it was intended! - Tony ###### From: "Simo Tuominen" Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban,alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Y2K Nit (Re: Y2K) Date: 15 Dec 97 22:58:52 +0200 Organization: Foo, Inc. Lines: 20 Message-ID: <3495B62C.MD-0.198.simotit@evitech.fi> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: dialin-0-04.evitech.fi Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: MicroDot-II/AmigaOS 0.198 Path: ccw.ch!aetna.dolphins.ch!news.planetc.com!leto.ou.edu!news.ecn.uoknor.edu!news.wildstar.net!cancer.vividnet.com!News.NetUSA.Net!news.IAEhv.nl!news.oru.edu!newspeer.monmouth.com!feed1.news.luth.se!luth.se!news.algonet.se!newsfeed1.funet.fi!news.evitech.fi!news avatar-usenet@arkane.demon.co.uk wrote: > On 15 Dec 97 15:07:43 GMT, in message <349547bf.0@newsfeed.uu.se>, > Erik Trulsson (== t92etr) > praised Shub-Internet thus: > > > In alt.folklore.computers Simo Tuominen wrote: > > >> I keep forgetting: is Y2K a leap year or not? If it isn't, I'll have > >> to get me a new VCR. > > > The year 2000 *is* a leap year, and if anybody tries to tell you otherwise > > they are wrong. > > But does his VCR know that for the right reason, or the wrong one? I think it's the wrong one. It uses two numbers for the year, so it will fail, come 2100. OTOH, I probably won't mind. :) -- # simotit@evitech.fi # Any similarities between this text and # # Team AMIGA! # my opinions are purely coincidental. # ###### From: ehrice@his.com (Edward Rice) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Y2K Nit (Re: Y2K) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 00:15:23 -0500 Organization: NDS Lines: 16 Message-ID: References: <347D5CE9.5219@example.com> <3483408D.10EB@nospamus.oracle.com> <34911671.821238@news.ns.net> <34907065.D5DE1872@usask.ca> +-----------------------------------------------------+ | We now return you to your regularly-scheduled .sig | +-----------------------------------------------------+ NNTP-Posting-Host: pm3-53.his.com Path: ccw.ch!aetna.dolphins.ch!news.planetc.com!leto.ou.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-xfer.netaxs.com!news.his.com!news3.his.com!user In article <34907065.D5DE1872@usask.ca>, Chris Pitzel wrote: > Your organization must have a lot of money to throw around. Either > that, or they've been suckered into believing that they're at a lot more > risk than they really are. Fidelity Investments (probably including parent and sister organizations) says they're putting US$120,000,000 into Y2K. I heard from a major New York City bank a like figure. There is a TON of money going into Y2K. I keep wondering, not how much there is, but how much of it is really necessary? ###### From: ehrice@his.com (Edward Rice) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban,alt.folklore.computers,alt.religion.kibology Subject: Re: Y2K Nit (Re: Y2K) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 00:15:24 -0500 Organization: NDS Lines: 13 Message-ID: References: <347D5CE9.5219@example.com> <66p6ac$caa2@eccws1.dearborn.ford.com> <66q9pp$349@sifon.cc.mcgill.ca> <66qcmc$4vc@nntp02.primenet.com> +-----------------------------------------------------+ | We now return you to your regularly-scheduled .sig | +-----------------------------------------------------+ NNTP-Posting-Host: pm3-53.his.com Path: ccw.ch!aetna.dolphins.ch!news.planetc.com!leto.ou.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!news-xfer.netaxs.com!news.his.com!news3.his.com!user In article <66qcmc$4vc@nntp02.primenet.com>, nickb@primenet.com (Nick S Bensema) wrote: > And I just realized that the year date is USELESS on my VCR for > any other purpose than predicting leap years and determining > weekdays. Weekdays, is, however, a major issue, especially if you use day-of-week to program it or expect VCR+ coding to work. ###### From: hnsngr@sirius.com (Ron Hunsinger) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban,alt.folklore.computers,alt.religion.kibology Subject: Re: Y2K Nit (Re: Y2K) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 02:44:45 -0800 Organization: ErsteSoft Lines: 27 Message-ID: References: <347D5CE9.5219@example.com> <66p6ac$caa2@eccws1.dearborn.ford.com> <66q9pp$349@sifon.cc.mcgill.ca> <66qcmc$4vc@nntp02.primenet.com> <34a9a4e3.620920583@news.uswest.net> <3493a630.0@news.netmagic.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp-asft02--062.sirius.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Newsreader: Yet Another NewsWatcher 2.3.1 Path: ccw.ch!aetna.dolphins.ch!news.planetc.com!leto.ou.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news1.best.com!newshub.sirius.com!newsfiler.sirius.com!hnsngr In article <3493a630.0@news.netmagic.net>, "Rick Cortese" wrote: > What would REALLY make a lot of sense to me is all information > for day/date should be broadcast during the verticle blank > interupt. Seeing as how everyone just has a blinking 12:00 > anyway, just have the VCR, TV, what-have-you program it's own > time. Since most of the gizmos have a microprocessor in there > anyway eliminating all those extra buttons should be cost > effective. That's a good idea, but there may be one teeny little problem with it. Seems like everyone has their eyes on that "unused" vertical blanking time. I believe that's where Closed Captioning information gets transmitted, and I know I've seen mention of other things being put in there too. It's likely to get pretty congested in there. You can't put too much information in there, or some receivers may no longer recognize it as vertical blanking. It might be a waste of limited bandwidth to put a time-of-day signal in there every frame, but once a minute or even once an hour could be OK. Of course, that means yet another standard for how VBL data should identify itself, so the receivers know how to interpret it. You wouldn't want to have your clock set to the Closed Caption. -Ron Hunsinger ###### Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban,alt.folklore.computers,alt.religion.kibology From: kibo@world.std.com (James "Kibo" Parry) Subject: Re: Y2K Nit (Re: Y2K) Sender: news@world.std.com (Mr Usenet Himself) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 11:14:19 GMT X-Battlestar-Galactica-Date: 1045 centons, 38 microns, .03 monera References: <347D5CE9.5219@example.com> <66p6ac$caa2@eccws1.dearborn.ford.com> <66q9pp$349@sifon.cc.mcgill.ca> <66qcmc$4vc@nntp02.primenet.com> <34a9a4e3.620920583@news.uswest.net> <3493a630.0@news.netmagic.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: world.std.com Organization: welcome datacomp X-Newsreader: HotNews. Read, search, post to Usenet through your microwave! Followup-To: alt.folklore.computers Lines: 50 Path: ccw.ch!aetna.dolphins.ch!news.planetc.com!news.telenet.pt!news.rccn.net!global-one.pt!news-raspail.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!feeder.qis.net!newspeer.monmouth.com!news.monmouth.com!uunet!in5.uu.net!world!kibo hnsngr@sirius.com (Ron Hunsinger) wrote: > > "Rick Cortese" wrote: > > > > What would REALLY make a lot of sense to me is all information > > for day/date should be broadcast during the verticle blank > > interupt. Seeing as how everyone just has a blinking 12:00 anyway, > > That's a good idea, but there may be one teeny little problem with it. > Seems like everyone has their eyes on that "unused" vertical blanking time. > [...] > Of course, that means yet another standard for how VBL data should identify > itself, so the receivers know how to interpret it. You wouldn't want to > have your clock set to the Closed Caption. Better Sony VCRs have been able to do this for the past three years or so. In Boston, the time signal is broadcast on the local PBS station (which is one of the few which also transmits Sony-readable station IDs during the vblank, although they don't put the program titles there like Sony had hoped.) The VCR searched for the time signal when turned off (which is how you enable the timer, as on most VCRs.) It works like a charm. You people don't get out much, do you? GET UP FROM THE COMPUTER AND WATCH TV!!! YOU'RE WASTING YOUR LIFE NOT WATCHING TV AND MISSING "TEAM KNIGHT RIDER"!!! -- K. AT THE TONE, THE CURRENT TIME WILL BE... HOWDY DOODY TIME. *BEEP* YOU MUST NOW DESTROY ALL NON-HOWDY DOODY WRISTWATCHES. P.S. Cool, my computer can frame-grab the bits flying around in WGBH's overscan area. It looks like this right now: - - - - - - ---- ----------- ----- Except it never holds still and it's not made of hyphens and it has a fat guy talking about the broader and secondary markets below it. How do I know if my local supermarket is broad enough or completely secondary? I DEMAND A TRULY SECOND-CLASS MARKET!!! P.P.S. DOODY!!!!!! ###### From: "Clive D.W. Feather" Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban,alt.folklore.computers,alt.religion.kibology Subject: Re: Y2K Nit (Re: Y2K) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 11:43:52 +0000 Distribution: world Message-ID: <01EwhBA4lml0EwFo@on-the-train.demon.co.uk> References: <347D5CE9.5219@example.com> <66p6ac$caa2@eccws1.dearborn.ford.com> <66q9pp$349@sifon.cc.mcgill.ca> <66qcmc$4vc@nntp02.primenet.com> <34a9a4e3.620920583@news.uswest.net> <3493a630.0@news.netmagic.net> Reply-To: "Clive D.W. Feather" NNTP-Posting-Host: clive-laptop.corp.demon.net X-NNTP-Posting-Host: clive-laptop.corp.demon.net [193.195.225.51] MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Trial Version 3.04 Lines: 24 Path: ccw.ch!aetna.dolphins.ch!news.planetc.com!leto.ou.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!news.idt.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!clive-laptop.corp.demon.net!on-the-train.demon.co.uk!clive In article <3493a630.0@news.netmagic.net>, Rick Cortese writes >What would REALLY make a lot of sense to me is all information >for day/date should be broadcast during the verticle blank >interupt. Seeing as how everyone just has a blinking 12:00 >anyway, just have the VCR, TV, what-have-you program it's own >time. Since most of the gizmos have a microprocessor in there >anyway eliminating all those extra buttons should be cost >effective. You mean like Teletext, that we've had in the UK and Europe for at least 20 years. The system allows for the transmission of up to 800 pages of text at a time per channel, with each page being 40x24 text and crude graphics in 8 colours. Typically a page comes round every 30 seconds. The system also includes an accurate clock and can contain other items as well, such as subtitles and newsflash "boxes". Clive "does anyone in the UK own a *non*-teletext TV ?" Feather -- Clive D.W. Feather | Director of Software Development | Home email: Tel: +44 181 371 1138 | Demon Internet Ltd. | Fax: +44 181 371 1037 | | Written on my laptop; please observe the Reply-To address | ###### From: a@a.a (Well basically) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban,alt.folklore.computers,alt.religion.kibology Subject: Re: Y2K Nit (Re: Y2K) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 12:31:10 GMT Organization: Zippo News Service [http://www.zippo.com] Lines: 8 Message-ID: <34986b16.26899809@snews.zippo.com> References: <347D5CE9.5219@example.com> <66p6ac$caa2@eccws1.dearborn.ford.com> <66q9pp$349@sifon.cc.mcgill.ca> <66qcmc$4vc@nntp02.primenet.com> <34a9a4e3.620920583@news.uswest.net> <3493a630.0@news.netmagic.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: p-025.newsdawg.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 Path: ccw.ch!aetna.dolphins.ch!news.planetc.com!leto.ou.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!zdc!szdc!super.zippo.com!newsp.zippo.com!snews1 On Tue, 16 Dec 1997 11:14:19 GMT, kibo@world.std.com (James "Kibo" Parry) wrote: >I DEMAND A TRULY SECOND-CLASS MARKET!!! Well I want a First Class market so you lose, ha! Walked right into that one didn't you. ###### From: "Gardner S. Trask III" Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers,alt.religion.kibology,alt.culture.gard-trask Subject: Re: Y2K Nit (Re: Y2K) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 13:14:16 -0500 Organization: Trask Time Travel Inc. - est. 2021 Lines: 24 Message-ID: <3496C4F7.594A523B@world.std.com> References: <347D5CE9.5219@example.com> <66p6ac$caa2@eccws1.dearborn.ford.com> <66q9pp$349@sifon.cc.mcgill.ca> <66qcmc$4vc@nntp02.primenet.com> <34a9a4e3.620920583@news.uswest.net> <3493a630.0@news.netmagic.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 132.183.156.29 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) Path: ccw.ch!aetna.dolphins.ch!news.planetc.com!leto.ou.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-feed2.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!shore!news James Kibo Parry wrote: > -- K. > AT THE TONE, THE > CURRENT TIME WILL > BE... HOWDY DOODY > TIME. *BEEP* YOU > MUST NOW DESTROY > ALL NON-HOWDY DOODY > WRISTWATCHES. All HOWDY DOODY Wrist Watches are banned, otherwise they would be HOWDY DOODY pocket watches. Gard "Thus requiring pants" Trask P.S. This may, or may not, be a pun. Ask someone in alt.toys.high-tech. -- I read it in Wired, so it's not like I'm spouting noxious gibberish. - rone ###### From: a@a.a (Well basically) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban,alt.folklore.computers,alt.religion.kibology Subject: Re: Y2K Nit (Re: Y2K) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 13:21:08 GMT Organization: Zippo News Service [http://www.zippo.com] Lines: 7 Message-ID: <34977fee.32235311@snews.zippo.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p-781.newsdawg.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 Path: ccw.ch!aetna.dolphins.ch!news.planetc.com!leto.ou.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!zdc!szdc!super.zippo.com!newsp.zippo.com!snews3 On Tue, 16 Dec 1997 11:14:19 GMT, kibo@world.std.com (James "Kibo" Parry) wrote: >I DEMAND A TRULY SECOND-CLASS MARKET!!! Well I want a First Class market so you lose, ha! Walked right into that one didn't you. ###### From: Robert Billing Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban,alt.folklore.computers,alt.religion.kibology Subject: Re: Y2K Nit (Re: Y2K) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 97 14:38:22 GMT Message-ID: <882283102snz@tnglwood.demon.co.uk> References: <3493a630.0@news.netmagic.net> Reply-To: unclebob@tnglwood.demon.co.uk X-Mail2News-User: unclebob@tnglwood.demon.co.uk X-Mail2News-Path: post-10.mail.demon.net!post.mail.demon.net!tnglwood.demon.co.uk X-Trace: mail2news.demon.co.uk 882345649 27102 unclebob tnglwood.demon.co.uk X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net X-Newsreader: Demon Internet Simple News v1.29 Lines: 15 Path: ccw.ch!aetna.dolphins.ch!news.planetc.com!leto.ou.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!howland.erols.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!mail2news.demon.co.uk!tnglwood.demon.co.uk!unclebob In article <3493a630.0@news.netmagic.net> ricortes@netmagic.net "Rick Cortese" writes: > What would REALLY make a lot of sense to me is all information > for day/date should be broadcast during the verticle blank It is, it's called the Teletext signal in the UK. -- I am Robert Billing, Christian, inventor, traveller, cook and animal lover, I live near 0:46W 51:22N. http://www.tnglwood.demon.co.uk/ "Bother," said Pooh, "Eeyore, ready two photon torpedoes and lock phasers on the Heffalump, Piglet, meet me in transporter room three" ###### From: Mike Holmans Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban,alt.folklore.computers,alt.religion.kibology Subject: Re: Y2K Nit (Re: Y2K) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 14:50:53 +0000 Organization: Jackalope Hall Distribution: world Message-ID: References: <347D5CE9.5219@example.com> <66p6ac$caa2@eccws1.dearborn.ford.com> <66q9pp$349@sifon.cc.mcgill.ca> <66qcmc$4vc@nntp02.primenet.com> <34a9a4e3.620920583@news.uswest.net> <3493a630.0@news.netmagic.net> <01EwhBA4lml0EwFo@on-the-train.demon.co.uk> Reply-To: Mike Holmans NNTP-Posting-Host: jackalope.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: jackalope.demon.co.uk [158.152.196.42] MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Version 3.03a Lines: 13 Path: ccw.ch!aetna.dolphins.ch!news.planetc.com!leto.ou.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed2.uk.ibm.net!ibm.net!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!jackalope.demon.co.uk!possum "Clive D.W. Feather" felt like saying: > >Clive "does anyone in the UK own a *non*-teletext TV ?" Feather > Yes. Me. Mike "why do you ask?" Holmans El Sig wonders whether they use sm*l*ys on teletext The exciting AFU FAQ, and many other things, may be found at http://www.urbanlegends.com ###### From: hatunen@shell. (David Hatunen) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban,alt.folklore.computers,alt.religion.kibology Subject: Re: Y2K Nit (Re: Y2K) Date: 16 Dec 1997 15:01:24 GMT Organization: Verio Northern California Lines: 25 Message-ID: <676544$l6n$1@news.ncal.verio.com> References: <347D5CE9.5219@example.com> <34a9a4e3.620920583@news.uswest.net> <3493a630.0@news.netmagic.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: shell.wco.com X-Newsposter: trn 4.0-test56 (2 Mar 97) Path: ccw.ch!aetna.dolphins.ch!news.planetc.com!leto.ou.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!howland.erols.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-peer-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!news.idt.net!peerfeed.ncal.verio.net!news.ncal.verio.com!not-for-mail In article <3493a630.0@news.netmagic.net>, Rick Cortese wrote: >What would REALLY make a lot of sense to me is all information >for day/date should be broadcast during the verticle blank >interupt. Seeing as how everyone just has a blinking 12:00 >anyway, just have the VCR, TV, what-have-you program it's own >time. Since most of the gizmos have a microprocessor in there >anyway eliminating all those extra buttons should be cost >effective. >Rick Already done. My newest VCR has this built-in too; it gets the time supposedly from a local PBS station, although I'm not clear on the date thing, and it's hard to tell. I gather that PBS stations across the country are going to broadcast the time in the vertical blanking period. -- *********** DAVE HATUNEN (hatunen@wco.com) ************ * Daly City California: * * where San Francisco meets The Peninsula * ******* and the San Andreas Fault meets the Sea ******* ###### From: hatunen@shell. (David Hatunen) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban,alt.folklore.computers,alt.religion.kibology Subject: Re: Y2K Nit (Re: Y2K) Date: 16 Dec 1997 15:05:26 GMT Organization: Verio Northern California Lines: 22 Message-ID: <6765bm$l6n$2@news.ncal.verio.com> References: <347D5CE9.5219@example.com> <3493a630.0@news.netmagic.net> <01EwhBA4lml0EwFo@on-the-train.demon.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: shell.wco.com X-Newsposter: trn 4.0-test56 (2 Mar 97) Path: ccw.ch!aetna.dolphins.ch!news.planetc.com!leto.ou.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-peer-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!news.idt.net!peerfeed.ncal.verio.net!news.ncal.verio.com!not-for-mail In article <01EwhBA4lml0EwFo@on-the-train.demon.co.uk>, Clive D.W. Feather wrote: >You mean like Teletext, that we've had in the UK and Europe for at least >20 years. The system allows for the transmission of up to 800 pages of >text at a time per channel, with each page being 40x24 text and crude >graphics in 8 colours. Typically a page comes round every 30 seconds. >The system also includes an accurate clock and can contain other items >as well, such as subtitles and newsflash "boxes". The last thing most 'Merkins wanna do is *read* their television. There was an abortive attempt to institute teletext here a couple of decades ago. It failed. There's a lesson in that for WebTV, but I'm not sure what it is. -- *********** DAVE HATUNEN (hatunen@wco.com) ************ * Daly City California: * * where San Francisco meets The Peninsula * ******* and the San Andreas Fault meets the Sea ******* ###### From: seebs@plethora.net (Peter Seebach) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Y2K Nit (Re: Y2K) Date: 16 Dec 1997 16:21:43 GMT Organization: Plethora Internet Lines: 13 Message-ID: <6769qn$894$1@darla.visi.com> References: <347D5CE9.5219@example.com> <3493a630.0@news.netmagic.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: herd.plethora.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 16 Dec 1997 10:21:43 CST X-Newsreader: trn 4.0-test60 (5 October 1997) Path: ccw.ch!aetna.dolphins.ch!news.planetc.com!leto.ou.edu!news.ecn.uoknor.edu!solace!mn6.swip.net!nntp.uio.no!newsfeed2.uk.ibm.net!ibm.net!europa.clark.net!204.73.178.14!visi.com!not-for-mail In article , James "Kibo" Parry wrote: > -- K. Hmm. Does this mean that Kibo will be coming back next year, or is he still doing whatever Tax Thing he was doing when he left? -s -- seebs@plethora.net -- I am not speaking for my employer. Copyright '97 All rights reserved. This was not sent by my cat. C and Unix wizard - send mail for help, or send money for a consultation. Visit my new ISP --- More Net, Less Spam! Plethora . Net ###### Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban,alt.folklore.computers,alt.religion.kibology From: bdc@world.std.com (Brian "JARAI" Chase) Subject: Re: Y2K Nit (Re: Y2K) Message-ID: Organization: HappyNet Bungalow References: <347D5CE9.5219@example.com> <3493a630.0@news.netmagic.net> <01EwhBA4lml0EwFo@on-the-train.demon.co.uk> Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 16:25:29 GMT Lines: 29 Path: ccw.ch!aetna.dolphins.ch!news.planetc.com!atl-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!atl.bellsouth.net!uunet!in5.uu.net!world!bdc In article <01EwhBA4lml0EwFo@on-the-train.demon.co.uk>, Clive D.W. Feather wrote: >You mean like Teletext, that we've had in the UK and Europe for at least >20 years. The system allows for the transmission of up to 800 pages of >text at a time per channel, with each page being 40x24 text and crude >graphics in 8 colours. Oh sure, get all snooty. Well maybe we don't care that you're TV stations use Commodore 64's to provide textual and graphic information. >Typically a page comes round every 30 seconds. >The system also includes an accurate clock and can contain other items >as well, such as subtitles and newsflash "boxes". Doesn't it get rather irritating when you're watching TV and newflash boxes screaming "POW!", "WHAPP!", and "ZONNKK!" pop up every 30 seconds? Some advancement that is. -jarai. PS. Who needs stinky old Teletext when you can buy a WebTV. -- --- Brian Chase <(o)> <(o)> http://world.std.com/~bdc/ VAXZilla LIVES!!! ###### From: Josh Lubliner Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Y2K Nit (Re: Y2K) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 17:01:18 -0800 Organization: Fujitsu Software Corportation Lines: 30 Message-ID: <3497245E.FCF0B960@mousehouse.com> References: <347D5CE9.5219@example.com> <66p6ac$caa2@eccws1.dearborn.ford.com> <66q9pp$349@sifon.cc.mcgill.ca> <66qcmc$4vc@nntp02.primenet.com> <34a9a4e3.620920583@news.uswest.net> <3493a630.0@news.netmagic.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: spain.nms.fnc.fujitsu.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (X11; I; SunOS 5.5.1 sun4u) Path: ccw.ch!aetna.dolphins.ch!news.planetc.com!leto.ou.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!206.229.87.25!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-sea-19.sprintlink.net!news-in-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!204.51.1.6!ipac.net!fsc.fujitsu.com!not-for-mail > hnsngr@sirius.com (Ron Hunsinger) wrote: > > Better Sony VCRs have been able to do this for the past three years or so. > In Boston, the time signal is broadcast on the local PBS station (which is > one of the few which also transmits Sony-readable station IDs during the > vblank, although they don't put the program titles there like Sony had hoped.) > The VCR searched for the time signal when turned off (which is how you enable > the timer, as on most VCRs.) It works like a charm. Yes, PBS stations all over the country broadcast the time on their vertical blanking signal (air and cable). What you may not know is that they also include program information for all stations in that signal. This information can be decoded by a system called StarSight. A lot of (expensive) Magnavox TVs come with this system, and you can also get a stand-alone decoder box. I have one of these things and it is really cool. Unfortunately, it won't set the correct time on your VCR, but that's okay, because you tell the StarSight unit to record a certain program, and it will turn the VCR on and off at the correct times (using an IR emitter placed in front of your VCR), so you can correctly record programs even if your VCR is blinking 12:00. Which turns out to be great, since my lame VCR has a tendency to change days of the week (without changing the day of the month!) while I'm trying to program it, causing it to get confused and not record anything. What a piece of garbage. Bonus points to anyone who can guess what brand of VCR I have. --Josh (I already get so much spam, it hardly matters). ###### From: (Hans Derycke) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban,alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Y2K Nit (Re: Y2K) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 18:47:33 GMT Organization: Hans Derycke Usenet Posting Services Lines: 21 Message-ID: <349606fe.16801771@news.mindspring.com> References: <347D5CE9.5219@example.com> <3483408D.10EB@nospamus.oracle.com> <34911671.821238@news.ns.net> <66p6ac$caa2@eccws1.dearborn.ford.com> <66u4i2$eti@netaxs.com> <34959238.14823159@news.spacebbs.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: pool-207-205-215-241.dnvr.grid.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Server-Date: 16 Dec 1997 18:54:09 GMT X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 Path: ccw.ch!aetna.dolphins.ch!news.planetc.com!leto.ou.edu!news.ecn.uoknor.edu!news.wildstar.net!newsfeed.direct.ca!newsfeed.internetmci.com!207.69.200.61!mindspring!news.mindspring.com!usenet TonyLima@ms.spacebbs.com (Tony Lima) cost the Net hundreds, if not thousands of dollars writing in <34959238.14823159@news.spacebbs.com>: >On 13 Dec 1997 14:02:42 GMT, evansdb@netaxs.com@netaxs.com >(Dan Evans) wrote: > >[bfsnip] >>And most people's VCRs are still blinking "12:00", so who cares? > >Oh, come on -- use that black electrical tape for what it >was intended! - Tony Or get a real VCR. Like mine: it simply displays --:-- Hansje. -- Hans Derycke -- Address removed to avoid spam I recall the sign that said "Equatorial Africa" just after you cross the bridge from China to Germany. I also recall a sign for Isreal just after the Africa sign. Since then, many countries have been proposed but not followed through. -- Steve Soares (about Epcot Center) ###### From: Duncan Richer Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban,alt.folklore.computers,alt.religion.kibology Subject: Re: Y2K Nit (Re: Y2K) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 20:36:40 +0000 Organization: University of Cambridge, England Lines: 15 Message-ID: <3496E658.6A3AF3C@cam.ac.uk> References: <34977fee.32235311@snews.zippo.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: dcr24.quns.cam.ac.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) Path: ccw.ch!aetna.dolphins.ch!news.planetc.com!leto.ou.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!158.43.192.17!rill.news.pipex.net!pipex!uunetukout!server1.netnews.ja.net!lyra.csx.cam.ac.uk!not-for-mail Well basically wrote: > > On Tue, 16 Dec 1997 11:14:19 GMT, kibo@world.std.com (James "Kibo" > Parry) wrote: > > >I DEMAND A TRULY SECOND-CLASS MARKET!!! > > Well I want a First Class market so you lose, ha! > Walked right into that one didn't you. I hereby nominate Well basically for Clueless Newbie of the Millenium. -- Duncan "kiboze kiboze kiboze kibozo" Richer aka Duncan C. Richer - aka Slakko the Lost Warner Brother - Now Really Lost! Queens' College -- PhD, Pure Maths, Graph Theory -- Cambridge University ###### From: "Simo Tuominen" Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Y2K Nit (Re: Y2K) Date: 16 Dec 97 21:21:52 +0200 Organization: Foo, Inc. Lines: 34 Message-ID: <3496F0EC.MD-0.198.simotit@evitech.fi> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: dialin-0-17.evitech.fi Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: MicroDot-II/AmigaOS 0.198 Path: ccw.ch!aetna.dolphins.ch!news.planetc.com!atl-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!fu-berlin.de!feed1.news.luth.se!luth.se!newsfeed.sunet.se!news99.sunet.se!news01.sunet.se!128.214.248.135.MISMATCH!newsfeed1.funet.fi!news.evitech.fi!news bdc@world.std.com wrote: > In article <01EwhBA4lml0EwFo@on-the-train.demon.co.uk>, > Clive D.W. Feather wrote: [teletext] [bobbitt] > >Typically a page comes round every 30 seconds. Depends on how many page are in circulation. > >The system also includes an accurate clock and can contain other items > >as well, such as subtitles and newsflash "boxes". > > Doesn't it get rather irritating when > you're watching TV and newflash boxes > screaming "POW!", "WHAPP!", and > "ZONNKK!" pop up every 30 seconds? Some > advancement that is. Of course it doesn't. You don't have to keep it turned on all the time, fkrissakes. And the update interval isn't necessarily constant. If more frequent updates are needed, they are simply sent "out of order". > PS. Who needs stinky old Teletext when you can buy a WebTV. Who needs a stinky WebTV when you have a real computer. :) And if you use the 'puter just for the 'net, it won't cost you an arm and a leg (but I may cost you your sanity;). Seriously, the first thing I do in the morning is to turn my TV on and check if anything major has happened in the world. No sound, just text. Sure, you need sound if you can't read, but that isn't a problem here. :) -- # simotit@evitech.fi # Any similarities between this text and # # Team AMIGA! # my opinions are purely coincidental. # ###### From: "Simo Tuominen" Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban,alt.folklore.computers,alt.religion.kibology Subject: Re: Y2K Nit (Re: Y2K) Date: 16 Dec 97 21:23:27 +0200 Organization: Foo, Inc. Lines: 15 Message-ID: <3496F14F.MD-0.198.simotit@evitech.fi> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: dialin-0-17.evitech.fi Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: MicroDot-II/AmigaOS 0.198 Path: ccw.ch!aetna.dolphins.ch!news.planetc.com!atl-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!fu-berlin.de!feed1.news.luth.se!luth.se!newsfeed.sunet.se!news99.sunet.se!news01.sunet.se!128.214.248.135.MISMATCH!newsfeed1.funet.fi!news.evitech.fi!news possum@jackalope.demon.co.uk wrote: > "Clive D.W. Feather" felt like saying: > > > >Clive "does anyone in the UK own a *non*-teletext TV ?" Feather > > > Yes. Me. > > Mike "why do you ask?" Holmans > > El Sig wonders whether they use sm*l*ys on teletext Yes they do. :) -- # simotit@evitech.fi # Any similarities between this text and # # Team AMIGA! # my opinions are purely coincidental. # ###### From: hatunen@shell. (David Hatunen) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban,alt.folklore.computers,alt.religion.kibology Subject: Re: Y2K Nit (Re: Y2K) Date: 16 Dec 1997 21:43:06 GMT Organization: Verio Northern California Lines: 24 Message-ID: <676sla$2l2$1@news.ncal.verio.com> References: <34977fee.32235311@snews.zippo.com> <3496E658.6A3AF3C@cam.ac.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: shell.wco.com X-Newsposter: trn 4.0-test56 (2 Mar 97) Path: ccw.ch!aetna.dolphins.ch!news.planetc.com!leto.ou.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!europa.clark.net!207.20.0.50!peerfeed.ncal.verio.net!news.ncal.verio.com!not-for-mail In article <3496E658.6A3AF3C@cam.ac.uk>, Duncan Richer wrote: >Well basically wrote: >> >> On Tue, 16 Dec 1997 11:14:19 GMT, kibo@world.std.com (James "Kibo" >> Parry) wrote: >> >> >I DEMAND A TRULY SECOND-CLASS MARKET!!! >> >> Well I want a First Class market so you lose, ha! >> Walked right into that one didn't you. >I hereby nominate Well basically for Clueless Newbie of the Millenium. Certainly in the running. There is a certain irony in his claim that netlegend Kibo "Walked right into that one". Dave "I thought Kibo was dead" Hatunen -- *********** DAVE HATUNEN (hatunen@wco.com) ************ * Daly City California: * * where San Francisco meets The Peninsula * ******* and the San Andreas Fault meets the Sea ******* ###### From: ehrice@his.com (Edward Rice) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban,alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Y2K Nit (Re: Y2K) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 01:00:50 -0500 Organization: NDS Lines: 29 Message-ID: References: <347D5CE9.5219@example.com> <3493a630.0@news.netmagic.net> <01EwhBA4lml0EwFo@on-the-train.demon.co.uk> <6765bm$l6n$2@news.ncal.verio.com> +-----------------------------------------------------+ | We now return you to your regularly-scheduled .sig | +-----------------------------------------------------+ NNTP-Posting-Host: pm5-104.his.com Path: ccw.ch!aetna.dolphins.ch!news.planetc.com!leto.ou.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!news-xfer.netaxs.com!news.his.com!news3.his.com!user In article <6765bm$l6n$2@news.ncal.verio.com>, hatunen@shell. (David Hatunen) wrote: > In article <01EwhBA4lml0EwFo@on-the-train.demon.co.uk>, > Clive D.W. Feather wrote: > > >You mean like Teletext, that we've had in the UK and Europe for at least > >20 years. The system allows for the transmission of up to 800 pages of > >text at a time per channel, with each page being 40x24 text and crude > >graphics in 8 colours. Typically a page comes round every 30 seconds. > >The system also includes an accurate clock and can contain other items > >as well, such as subtitles and newsflash "boxes". > > The last thing most 'Merkins wanna do is *read* their television. > > There was an abortive attempt to institute teletext here a couple of decades > ago. It failed. There's a lesson in that for WebTV, but I'm not sure what it > is. Teletext is worse even than Plodigy graphics were. I think the major lesson is that what the British and French will settle for, doesn't make much money here in the US. ###### From: a@a.a (Well basically) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban,alt.folklore.computers,alt.religion.kibology Subject: Re: Y2K Nit (Re: Y2K) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 06:00:21 GMT Organization: Zippo News Service [http://www.zippo.com] Lines: 18 Message-ID: <34976441.1282484@snews.zippo.com> References: <34977fee.32235311@snews.zippo.com> <3496E658.6A3AF3C@cam.ac.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: p-132.newsdawg.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 Path: ccw.ch!aetna.dolphins.ch!news.planetc.com!leto.ou.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!enews.sgi.com!zdc!szdc!super.zippo.com!newsp.zippo.com!snews2 On Tue, 16 Dec 1997 20:36:40 +0000, Duncan Richer wrote: >Well basically wrote: >> >> On Tue, 16 Dec 1997 11:14:19 GMT, kibo@world.std.com (James "Kibo" >> Parry) wrote: >> >> >I DEMAND A TRULY SECOND-CLASS MARKET!!! >> >> Well I want a First Class market so you lose, ha! >> Walked right into that one didn't you. >I hereby nominate Well basically for Clueless Newbie of the Millenium. That's a LIE. I have a piece of tape with the word ipcress on it and I'm sure that's VERY SIGNIFICANT. And this is the worst movie I've ever seen.. ###### From: Robert Billing Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Y2K Nit (Re: Y2K) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 97 08:39:05 GMT Message-ID: <882347945snz@tnglwood.demon.co.uk> References: <3496F0EC.MD-0.198.simotit@evitech.fi> Reply-To: unclebob@tnglwood.demon.co.uk X-Mail2News-User: unclebob@tnglwood.demon.co.uk X-Mail2News-Path: post-10.mail.demon.net!post.mail.demon.net!tnglwood.demon.co.uk X-Trace: mail2news.demon.co.uk 882353625 28129 unclebob tnglwood.demon.co.uk X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net X-Newsreader: Demon Internet Simple News v1.29 Lines: 16 Path: ccw.ch!aetna.dolphins.ch!news.planetc.com!leto.ou.edu!news.ecn.uoknor.edu!news.eng.convex.com!news-feeder.onramp.net!nntp.flash.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!rill.news.pipex.net!pipex!uunetukout!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!mail2news.demon.co.uk!tnglwood.demon.co.uk!unclebob In article <3496F0EC.MD-0.198.simotit@evitech.fi> simotit@evitech.fi "Simo Tuominen" writes: > Of course it doesn't. You don't have to keep it turned on all the > time, fkrissakes. And the update interval isn't necessarily constant. Has anyone else watched "last of the summer wine" with subtitles on? Some of Compo's utterances require remarkably unorthodox spelling. -- I am Robert Billing, Christian, inventor, traveller, cook and animal lover, I live near 0:46W 51:22N. http://www.tnglwood.demon.co.uk/ "Bother," said Pooh, "Eeyore, ready two photon torpedoes and lock phasers on the Heffalump, Piglet, meet me in transporter room three" ###### From: lstowell@pyrtech.mis.pyramid.com (Lon Stowell) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban,alt.folklore.computers,alt.religion.kibology Subject: Re: Y2K Nit (Re: Y2K) Date: 17 Dec 1997 13:42:03 -0800 Organization: Pyramid Technology Corporation Lines: 12 Message-ID: <679gvb$ok9@pyrtech.mis.pyramid.com> References: <347D5CE9.5219@example.com> <3493a630.0@news.netmagic.net> <01EwhBA4lml0EwFo@on-the-train.demon.co.uk> <6765bm$l6n$2@news.ncal.verio.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: pyrtech.mis.pyramid.com Path: ccw.ch!aetna.dolphins.ch!news.planetc.com!leto.ou.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-peer-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!uunet!in5.uu.net!news.pyramid.com!not-for-mail David Hatunen wrote: >The last thing most 'Merkins wanna do is *read* their television. Probably because many of them don't have the reading skills. > >There was an abortive attempt to institute teletext here a couple of decades >ago. It failed. There's a lesson in that for WebTV, but I'm not sure what it >is. May I submit for your consideration: "Never underestimate the number of lives of a truly stupid idea". ###### From: hartman@NOSPAM.tconl.com (P.J. Hartman) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban,alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Y2K Nit (Re: Y2K) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 22:53:22 GMT Organization: TeleChoice Online Lines: 18 Message-ID: <34ad40a5.200023065@news.uswest.net> References: <347D5CE9.5219@example.com> <66p6ac$caa2@eccws1.dearborn.ford.com> <66q9pp$349@sifon.cc.mcgill.ca> <66qcmc$4vc@nntp02.primenet.com> <34a9a4e3.620920583@news.uswest.net> <3493a630.0@news.netmagic.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: p-803.newsdawg.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 Path: ccw.ch!aetna.dolphins.ch!news.planetc.com!leto.ou.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!zdc-e!szdc!super.zippo.com!newsp.zippo.com!snews2 "Rick Cortese" wrote: >What would REALLY make a lot of sense to me is all information >for day/date should be broadcast during the verticle blank >interupt. Seeing as how everyone just has a blinking 12:00 >anyway, just have the VCR, TV, what-have-you program it's own >time. Since most of the gizmos have a microprocessor in there >anyway eliminating all those extra buttons should be cost >effective. Rick, my newest VCR, a 2-year old RCA model, will set its own clock if you tell it to. I assume it uses magic, but what you have proposed might be a close second choice. -- P.J. Hartman hartman{at}tconl{dot}com MIND THE GAP http://www.tconl.com/~hartman 41°18'07"N 95°53'37"W ###### From: gberigan@cse.unl.edu (Greg Berigan) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban,alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Y2K Nit (Re: Y2K) Followup-To: alt.folklore.computers Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 22:58:30 -0700 Organization: http://cse.unl.edu/~gberigan/ Lines: 44 Message-ID: References: <347D5CE9.5219@example.com> <34a9a4e3.620920583@news.uswest.net> <3493a630.0@news.netmagic.net> <676544$l6n$1@news.ncal.verio.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: abeln730a.unl.edu X-Newsreader: MT-NewsWatcher 2.3.5 User-Agent: MT-NewsWatcher/2.3.5 X-Face: ZFtFvHS5S$A1psPzniMqb^/rZ:p6ekB-VFrEmh|`fm1ot%B?wIRZ$@_f2wXz7 z>JhMT= Path: ccw.ch!aetna.dolphins.ch!news.planetc.com!leto.ou.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!howland.erols.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-pull.sprintlink.net!news-in-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!206.139.252.9!feed.newsreader.com!newsfeed.inetnebr.com!crcnews.unl.edu!gberigan In alt.folklore.computers, hatunen@wco.com (David Hatunen) wrote: >Rick Cortese wrote: >> What would REALLY make a lot of sense to me is all information >> for day/date should be broadcast during the verticle blank >> interupt. Seeing as how everyone just has a blinking 12:00 >> anyway, > Already done. My newest VCR has this built-in too; it gets the time > supposedly from a local PBS station, although I'm not clear on the date > thing, and it's hard to tell. My cable decoder box gets its time signal from the cable company. At times I've wished it didn't. I've seen it occassionally reset to midnight Sunday for no apparent reason. As I had a program for it to auto-tune at that time, it would switch on so my VCR could record it (it though has the proper time and date and doesn't). A few minutes later the time and date in the decoder box would correct itself, but it would still wait until 1:00 AM Sunday to stop showing that channel. Stupid cable company operator and tech people couldn't believe the symptoms I was describing as I saw them occuring, practically calling me a liar. I eventually had to exchange it with a working one. And still the time doesn't stay steady. Every now and then someone "corrects" the time signal and the auto-tuning tunes in 1 to 2 minutes too late or turns off 1 to 2 minutes too early. I'd rather have full control on what time my electronic devices think it is. If I could control a central synching time server for all my devices myself I'd go for that over letting outside sources dictate to me what time it is. > I gather that PBS stations across the country are going to broadcast the > time in the vertical blanking period. With a program that presents the entire video signal on my computer, including the VBI, I've seen some interesting things in the VBI, including large printed letters and running clocks in human-readable forms. Some stations are particularly active in their VBI. -- _-<#)-=# http://cse.unl.edu/~gberigan/War-of-the-Worlds/ ___/___ _-~_--<###) Due to widespread abuse, I no longer read any messages <~c>' __--< from users who employ munged addresses in their headers. \_--=____#) "We've upped our standards, so up yours." -- Pat Paulsen '88 ###### Path: ccw.ch!usenet From: Neil Franklin (reply remove nospam.) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: e: Y2K Nit (Re: Y2K) Date: 17 Dec 1997 23:03:17 +0100 Organization: My own Private Self Lines: 47 Message-ID: References: <347D5CE9.5219@example.com> <3493a630.0@news.netmagic.net> <01EwhBA4lml0EwFo@on-the-train.demon.co.uk> <6765bm$l6n$2@news.ncal.verio.com> X-Newsreader: Gnus v5.3/Emacs 19.34 Clive D.W. Feather wrote: >You mean like Teletext, that we've had in the UK and Europe for at least >20 years. The system allows for the transmission of up to 800 pages of >text at a time per channel, with each page being 40x24 text and crude >graphics in 8 colours hatunen@shell. (David Hatunen) wrote: > In article <01EwhBA4lml0EwFo@on-the-train.demon.co.uk>, > The last thing most 'Merkins wanna do is *read* their television. ehrice@his.com (Edward Rice) >Teletext is worse even than Plodigy graphics were. That is irrelevant for its intended (and successfull) purpose: To provide information about the TV program, news, weather. The 40x24 char, ASCII and char graphics, 8 colours is enough for that, more would be overkill. I would be lost without Teletext pages 300 (the program listings and descriptions). Both lusers and hackers over here regard Teletext as a success. Why else would hackers put Teletext decoders into their PCs? ehrice@his.com (Edward Rice) >I think the major >lesson is that what the British and French will settle for, Only Brits and French? What about Germany, Switzerland, Austria, Italy? I recieve all of them, all have Teletext. Even the European editions of CNN and NBC have Teletext, they would be laughed all the way home if they didn't. ehrice@his.com (Edward Rice) >doesn't make much money here in the US. Doesn't make any here either. Its just neccessary to keep your viewers happy, to not lose them. US TV most likely survives without becuase most americans don't know what they are missing. Actually the Swiss Teletext ist advert payed, just ignore the bottom of the screen (it doesn't cost modem time). -- Neil.Franklin@ccw.ch, http://www.ccw.ch/Neil.Franklin/ for Geek Code, Papernet, Voicenet, PGP public key see http: Any computer, that is running optimally, is outdated; including my Cx486 ###### From: gberigan@cse.unl.edu (Greg Berigan) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban,alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Y2K Nit (Re: Y2K) Followup-To: alt.folklore.computers Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 23:29:26 -0700 Organization: http://cse.unl.edu/~gberigan/ Lines: 40 Message-ID: References: <347D5CE9.5219@example.com> <66p6ac$caa2@eccws1.dearborn.ford.com> <66q9pp$349@sifon.cc.mcgill.ca> <66qcmc$4vc@nntp02.primenet.com> +-----------------------------------------------------+ | We now return you to your regularly-scheduled .sig | +-----------------------------------------------------+ NNTP-Posting-Host: abeln730a.unl.edu X-Newsreader: MT-NewsWatcher 2.3.5 User-Agent: MT-NewsWatcher/2.3.5 X-Face: ZFtFvHS5S$A1psPzniMqb^/rZ:p6ekB-VFrEmh|`fm1ot%B?wIRZ$@_f2wXz7 z>JhMT= Path: ccw.ch!aetna.dolphins.ch!news.planetc.com!leto.ou.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-pull.sprintlink.net!news-in-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!206.139.252.9!feed.newsreader.com!newsfeed.inetnebr.com!crcnews.unl.edu!gberigan In alt.folklore.computers, ehrice@his.com (Edward Rice) wrote: >nickb@primenet.com (Nick S Bensema) wrote: >> And I just realized that the year date is USELESS on my VCR for >> any other purpose than predicting leap years and determining >> weekdays. > Weekdays, is, however, a major issue, especially if you use day-of-week to > program it or expect VCR+ coding to work. You don't need to know the year to know the day of the week, nor even the month, nor day of the month. The days of the week follow the same cycle of seven without a skip. It wouldn't even have a problem in September 1752, but then I'd expect you'd have more trouble just setting your VCR to record a TV program in 1752 (for many fun reasons) than with the Y2K problem. To start with, there were no VCR+ codes then. (Can VCR+ codes be coded for centuries past?) [1] But then, if your VCR doesn't know the day of the month (and thus the month) you'll have difficulty programming anything more than a few weeks in advance. I have one such VCR and you can only program up to 2 weeks in advance. No options to repeat record every week. The only setting that stays indefinitely is the one that records on every day of the week. Sometimes it can get frustrating that a VCR knows the year. I've programmed VCRs incorrectly more than once where the program I set wasn't going to record for a year. Get an AM/PM wrong or a start time that has passed and it assumes the next year. Once this error wasn't noticed for 3 weeks. [1] I particularly liked Douglas Adams' book Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency with the guy who used a time machine to watch TV programs he'd missed because he couldn't get the hang of programming his VCR. -- _-<#)-=# http://cse.unl.edu/~gberigan/War-of-the-Worlds/ ___/___ _-~_--<###) Due to widespread abuse, I no longer read any messages <~c>' __--< from users who employ munged addresses in their headers. \_--=____#) "We've upped our standards, so up yours." -- Pat Paulsen '88 ###### From: Duncan Richer Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban,alt.folklore.computers,alt.religion.kibology Subject: Re: Y2K Nit (Re: Y2K) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 09:04:44 +0000 Organization: University of Cambridge, England Message-ID: <3498E72C.E1692931@cam.ac.uk> References: <34977fee.32235311@snews.zippo.com> <3496E658.6A3AF3C@cam.ac.uk> <34976441.1282484@snews.zippo.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: dcr24.quns.cam.ac.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) Lines: 26 Path: ccw.ch!aetna.dolphins.ch!news.planetc.com!news-xfer.siscom.net!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!rill.news.pipex.net!pipex!uunetukout!server1.netnews.ja.net!lyra.csx.cam.ac.uk!not-for-mail Well basically wrote: > On Tue, 16 Dec 1997 20:36:40 +0000, Duncan Richer > wrote: > >Well basically wrote: > >> > >> On Tue, 16 Dec 1997 11:14:19 GMT, kibo@world.std.com (James "Kibo" > >> Parry) wrote: > >> > >> >I DEMAND A TRULY SECOND-CLASS MARKET!!! > >> > >> Well I want a First Class market so you lose, ha! > >> Walked right into that one didn't you. > >I hereby nominate Well basically for Clueless Newbie of the Millenium. > > That's a LIE. I have a piece of tape with the word ipcress on it and > I'm sure that's VERY SIGNIFICANT. And this is the worst movie I've > ever seen.. Well, I believe that this implies Well basically has just accepted eir nomination. Either that, or he's our new Special Friend (tm)! -- Duncan "Spivak Slakko Spivo Slakkak ahh the hell with it" Richer aka Duncan C. Richer - aka Slakko the Lost Warner Brother - Now Really Lost! Queens' College -- PhD, Pure Maths, Graph Theory -- Cambridge University ###### From: mholmans@dircon.co.uk (Mike Holmans) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban,alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Y2K Nit (Re: Y2K) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 11:19:43 GMT Organization: Jackalope Hall Lines: 11 Message-ID: <34990656.4227775@news.axion.bt.co.uk> References: <347D5CE9.5219@example.com> <66p6ac$caa2@eccws1.dearborn.ford.com> <66q9pp$349@sifon.cc.mcgill.ca> <66qcmc$4vc@nntp02.primenet.com> <34a9a4e3.620920583@news.uswest.net> <3493a630.0@news.netmagic.net> <34ad40a5.200023065@news.uswest.net> Reply-To: possum@jackalope.demon.coXXX.uk NNTP-Posting-Host: 147.150.193.169 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/32.230 Path: ccw.ch!aetna.dolphins.ch!news.planetc.com!leto.ou.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!mic.fibernet.net!newsfeed.direct.ca!btnet-peer!btnet-feed2!btnet!bt!not-for-mail On Wed, 17 Dec 1997 22:53:22 GMT, hartman@NOSPAM.tconl.com (P.J. Hartman) wrote: >Rick, my newest VCR, a 2-year old RCA model, will set its own clock if >you tell it to. I assume it uses magic, but what you have proposed >might be a close second choice. > Do any other afuisti have names for their VCRs, or know anybody who does? Mike "the video, dammit" Holmans ###### From: Ted Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban,alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Y2K Nit (Re: Y2K) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 11:30:51 -0600 Organization: Hewlett Packard - Convex Division, Richardson, TX USA Lines: 27 Message-ID: References: <347D5CE9.5219@example.com> <66p6ac$caa2@eccws1.dearborn.ford.com> <66q9pp$349@sifon.cc.mcgill.ca> <66qcmc$4vc@nntp02.primenet.com> <34a9a4e3.620920583@news.uswest.net> <3493a630.0@news.netmagic.net> <34ad40a5.200023065@news.uswest.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: midas.rsn.hp.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <34ad40a5.200023065@news.uswest.net> X-no-archive: Yes Path: ccw.ch!aetna.dolphins.ch!news.planetc.com!leto.ou.edu!news.ecn.uoknor.edu!news.eng.convex.com!midas.rsn.hp.com!tedj On Wed, 17 Dec 1997, P.J. Hartman wrote: > "Rick Cortese" wrote: > > >What would REALLY make a lot of sense to me is all information > >for day/date should be broadcast during the verticle blank > >interupt. Seeing as how everyone just has a blinking 12:00 > >anyway, just have the VCR, TV, what-have-you program it's own > >time. Since most of the gizmos have a microprocessor in there > >anyway eliminating all those extra buttons should be cost > >effective. > > Rick, my newest VCR, a 2-year old RCA model, will set its own clock if > you tell it to. I assume it uses magic, but what you have proposed > might be a close second choice. > Too late. The time is currently being broadcast over the Public Access channel in your hometown, provided you live in the US. That's how your VCR sets it's own time. You tell it to look for the channel, and every time you turn it off and wait a given amount of time (usually >2 minutes) it will set itself based on these signals. This information is from the new Sony models, so your RCA may be a little different, but the basic method is the same. ###### From: ehrice@his.com (Edward Rice) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban,alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Y2K Nit (Re: Y2K) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 11:49:59 -0500 Organization: NDS Lines: 18 Message-ID: References: <347D5CE9.5219@example.com> <66p6ac$caa2@eccws1.dearborn.ford.com> <66q9pp$349@sifon.cc.mcgill.ca> <66qcmc$4vc@nntp02.primenet.com> <34a9a4e3.620920583@news.uswest.net> <3493a630.0@news.netmagic.net> <34ad40a5.200023065@news.uswest.net> <34990656.4227775@news.axion.bt.co.uk> +-----------------------------------------------------+ | We now return you to your regularly-scheduled .sig | +-----------------------------------------------------+ NNTP-Posting-Host: pm5-95.his.com Path: ccw.ch!aetna.dolphins.ch!news.planetc.com!leto.ou.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!howland.erols.net!fastnet!news-xfer.netaxs.com!news.cs.jhu.edu!news3.his.com!user In article <34990656.4227775@news.axion.bt.co.uk>, mholmans@dircon.co.uk (Mike Holmans) wrote: > Do any other afuisti have names for their VCRs, or know anybody who > does? Sure. I call mine "the VCR," and when it's giving me trouble, I sometimes affectionately chuck it under where its chin ought to be and call it "the god damned VCR." But, please! Let's not permit this lovely "nit before Christmas" thread to degenerate into just another "funny names thread." Let's start another thread, that can be the funny names thread, and allow this one to grow and prosper and entertain us all. ###### From: "Barry Traylor" Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban,alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Y2K Nit (Re: Y2K) Date: 18 Dec 1997 11:50:12 GMT Organization: Unisys Lines: 16 Message-ID: <01bd0bac$1c7d3510$3fe43fc0@tr-traylobs> References: <347D5CE9.5219@example.com> <66p6ac$caa2@eccws1.dearborn.ford.com> <66q9pp$349@sifon.cc.mcgill.ca> <66qcmc$4vc@nntp02.primenet.com> <34a9a4e3.620920583@news.uswest.net> <3493a630.0@news.netmagic.net> <34ad40a5.200023065@news.uswest.net> <34990656.4227775@news.axion.bt.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: bst2.tr.unisys.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Path: ccw.ch!aetna.dolphins.ch!news.planetc.com!news-xfer.siscom.net!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!newsfeed.internetmci.com!192.61.103.81!eanews1!plnews.pl.unisys.com!bbnews1!trsvr!not-for-mail Mike Holmans wrote in article <34990656.4227775@news.axion.bt.co.uk>... > On Wed, 17 Dec 1997 22:53:22 GMT, hartman@NOSPAM.tconl.com (P.J. > Hartman) wrote: > > >Rick, my newest VCR, a 2-year old RCA model, will set its own clock if > >you tell it to. I assume it uses magic, but what you have proposed > >might be a close second choice. > > > Do any other afuisti have names for their VCRs, or know anybody who > does? Well, I called my old one 'Harry'. Barry "but I *really* don't want to get into it now (so to speak)" @ Tredyffrin ###### From: jacoby@freighter.ecn.purdue.edu (David Jacoby) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Y2K Nit (Re: Y2K) Date: 18 Dec 1997 14:35:57 GMT Organization: Purdue University, W. Lafayette, IN Lines: 42 Message-ID: <67bccd$7eu@mozo.cc.purdue.edu> References: <347D5CE9.5219@example.com> <3493a630.0@news.netmagic.net> <676544$l6n$1@news.ncal.verio.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: freighter.ecn.purdue.edu Path: ccw.ch!aetna.dolphins.ch!news.planetc.com!atl-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!ais.net!news.idt.net!nntp2.cerf.net!nntp.ni.net!news.pn.com!nntp.pn.com!mozo.cc.purdue.edu!freighter.ecn.purdue.edu!jacoby In article , Greg Berigan wrote: >In alt.folklore.computers, hatunen@wco.com (David Hatunen) wrote: >>Rick Cortese wrote: >> Already done. My newest VCR has this built-in too; it gets the time >> supposedly from a local PBS station, although I'm not clear on the date >> thing, and it's hard to tell. >My cable decoder box gets its time signal from the cable company. At >times I've wished it didn't. I've seen it occassionally reset to midnight >Sunday for no apparent reason. As I had a program for it to auto-tune at >that time, it would switch on so my VCR could record it (it though has the >proper time and date and doesn't). A few minutes later the time and date >in the decoder box would correct itself, but it would still wait until >1:00 AM Sunday to stop showing that channel. Stupid cable company >operator and tech people couldn't believe the symptoms I was describing as >I saw them occuring, practically calling me a liar. I eventually had to >exchange it with a working one. Pardon me, but I cannot think of a single good reason for a cable decoder to have channel control, much less a sense of time. The only thing they're useful for is decoding pay channels and ruining the semi-elegant system of show/ bypass from the VCR. Most everybody I know who still needs the decoder has an A/B switch to allow them to watch and record at the same time, and then they can't get their HBO. BTW, has anyone seen a remote-controlled A/B switch? It seems like such an obvious thing. > _-<#)-=# http://cse.unl.edu/~gberigan/War-of-the-Worlds/ > ___/___ > _-~_--<###) Due to widespread abuse, I no longer read any messages ><~c>' __--< from users who employ munged addresses in their headers. > \_--=____#) "We've upped our standards, so up yours." -- Pat Paulsen '88 -- David Jacoby mailto:jacoby@ecn.purdue.edu Web Technician and Librarian http://harbor.ecn.purdue.edu/~jacoby/ Engineering Computer Network What do you want? Perl can do that! --------------------------------------------------------------------- ###### From: Jeffrey Davis Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban,alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Y2K Nit (Re: Y2K) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 14:51:30 -0500 Organization: St Joseph Spit Power and Light Lines: 15 Message-ID: <34997EC2.1C80@ca.uky.edu> References: <347D5CE9.5219@example.com> <34ad40a5.200023065@news.uswest.net> <34990656.4227775@news.axion.bt.co.uk> <67bjev$g133@eccws1.dearborn.ford.com> <67bt8l$qd2$3@news.ncal.verio.com> Reply-To: davis@ca.uky.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: skees2.ca.uky.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) Path: ccw.ch!aetna.dolphins.ch!news.planetc.com!leto.ou.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!204.71.76.137!news.campus.mci.net!uky.edu!not-for-mail David Hatunen wrote: > Tom Harrington wrote: > > > Whatever you do, Mike, don't scratch the afuisti, > > you'll only make it worse. > > How true, how true... > > Dave "afuistus" Hatunen Afuistos? -- Jeffrey Davis afu, afas, afat, afamus, afatis, afant ###### From: hatunen@shell. (David Hatunen) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Y2K Nit (Re: Y2K) Date: 18 Dec 1997 14:58:59 GMT Organization: Verio Northern California Lines: 22 Message-ID: <67bdnj$kiv$1@news.ncal.verio.com> References: <347D5CE9.5219@example.com> <+-----------------------------------------------------+> NNTP-Posting-Host: shell.wco.com X-Newsposter: trn 4.0-test56 (2 Mar 97) Path: ccw.ch!aetna.dolphins.ch!news.planetc.com!atl-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!199.4.94.15!vncnews!HSNX.wco.com!news.ncal.verio.com!not-for-mail In article , Greg Berigan wrote: [...] >Sometimes it can get frustrating that a VCR knows the year. I've >programmed VCRs incorrectly more than once where the program I set wasn't >going to record for a year. Get an AM/PM wrong or a start time that has >passed and it assumes the next year. Once this error wasn't noticed for 3 >weeks. You program your VCR a year in advance? Where do you get your TV Guide? From Marty McFly? -- *********** DAVE HATUNEN (hatunen@wco.com) ************ * Daly City California: * * where San Francisco meets The Peninsula * ******* and the San Andreas Fault meets the Sea ******* ###### From: tph@longhorn.uucp (Tom Harrington) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban,alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Y2K Nit (Re: Y2K) Followup-To: alt.folklore.urban,alt.folklore.computers Date: 18 Dec 1997 16:36:47 GMT Organization: Mechanist Industries Lines: 14 Message-ID: <67bjev$g133@eccws1.dearborn.ford.com> References: <347D5CE9.5219@example.com> <66p6ac$caa2@eccws1.dearborn.ford.com> <66q9pp$349@sifon.cc.mcgill.ca> <66qcmc$4vc@nntp02.primenet.com> <34a9a4e3.620920583@news.uswest.net> <3493a630.0@news.netmagic.net> <34ad40a5.200023065@news.uswest.net> <34990656.4227775@news.axion.bt.co.uk> Reply-To: tph@rmi.net NNTP-Posting-Host: cs0053.eld.ford.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Path: ccw.ch!aetna.dolphins.ch!news.planetc.com!leto.ou.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!141.211.144.13!newsxfer3.itd.umich.edu!jobone!dailyplanet.srl.ford.com!eccws1.dearborn.ford.com!longhorn!tph Mike Holmans (mholmans@dircon.co.uk) wrote: : Do any other afuisti have names for their VCRs, or know anybody who : does? I once had a nasty case of afuisti. But my doctor gave me some antibiotics and it cleared up. Whatever you do, Mike, don't scratch the afuisti, you'll only make it worse. -- Tom Harrington --------- tph@rmii.com -------- http://rainbow.rmii.com/~tph "I can't remember why I like this feeling when it always seems to let me down." - Gin Blossoms Cookie's Revenge: ftp://ftp.rmi.net/pub2/tph/cookie/cookies-revenge.sit.hqx ###### Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers From: alex*@*rockvax.rockefeller.edu (Alexandre Pechtchanski) Subject: Re: Y2K Nit (Re: Y2K) X-Nntp-Posting-Host: hospc6.rockefeller.edu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <349b51f5.4713405@Rockyd> Sender: notes@rockyd.rockefeller.edu (News Administrator) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: Rockefeller University Hospital (GCRC), New York X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 References: <347D5CE9.5219@example.com> <3493a630.0@news.netmagic.net> <676544$l6n$1@news.ncal.verio.com> <67bccd$7eu@mozo.cc.purdue.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 16:46:04 GMT Lines: 28 Path: ccw.ch!aetna.dolphins.ch!news.planetc.com!leto.ou.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-pull.sprintlink.net!news-in-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!128.122.253.92!newsfeed.nyu.edu!rockyd!notes In article , Greg Berigan wrote: [ snip ] >My cable decoder box gets its time signal from the cable company. At >times I've wished it didn't. I've seen it occassionally reset to midnight >Sunday for no apparent reason. And to bring it back to alt.folklore.computers, I think I know the reason for that: I once have seen "preview" channel to break and start showing boot sequence for (of all things) Windows-95. It immediately explained (for me) the source of all problems with cable. >As I had a program for it to auto-tune at >that time, it would switch on so my VCR could record it (it though has the >proper time and date and doesn't). A few minutes later the time and date >in the decoder box would correct itself, but it would still wait until >1:00 AM Sunday to stop showing that channel. Stupid cable company >operator and tech people couldn't believe the symptoms I was describing as >I saw them occuring, practically calling me a liar. I eventually had to >exchange it with a working one. Oh, did you have to say that? You killed such a good anti-M$ rant ;-) On the other hand, maybe you unwittingly got a pre-release of "Windows Everywhere" ? [ When replying, remove *'s from address ] Alexandre Pechtchanski, Systems Manager, RUH, NY ###### From: Ben Walsh Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban,alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Y2K Nit (Re: Y2K) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 18:18:30 +0000 Organization: You could call it that. Lines: 17 Message-ID: <67bpon$brd$1@ezekiel.eunet.ie> References: <347D5CE9.5219@example.com> <66p6ac$caa2@eccws1.dearborn.ford.com> <66q9pp$349@sifon.cc.mcgill.ca> <66qcmc$4vc@nntp02.primenet.com> <34a9a4e3.620920583@news.uswest.net> <3493a630.0@news.netmagic.net> <34ad40a5.200023065@news.uswest.net> <34990656.4227775@news.axion.bt.co.uk> Reply-To: benw@iona.nospam.please.we'reirish.com NNTP-Posting-Host: arachnid.dublin.iona.ie Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ezekiel.eunet.ie 882469463 12141 (None) 193.120.221.162 X-Complaints-To: usenet@eunet.ie X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) Path: ccw.ch!aetna.dolphins.ch!news.planetc.com!leto.ou.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!EU.net!Ireland.EU.net!not-for-mail Mike Holmans wrote: > Do any other afuisti have names for their VCRs, or know anybody who > does? Ours is "the clock" because that's the only use we used to get out of it. ben "VideoPlus changed my life" w. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ "If you name me a street | ben walsh Then I'll name you a bar | benw at iona dot com And I'll walk right through Hell | http://bounce.to/heretic Just to buy you a jar" -- shane | ###### From: Ben Walsh Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban,alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Y2K Nit (Re: Y2K) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 18:18:30 +0000 Organization: You could call it that. Lines: 17 Message-ID: <67bpon$brd$1@ezekiel.eunet.ie> References: <347D5CE9.5219@example.com> <66p6ac$caa2@eccws1.dearborn.ford.com> <66q9pp$349@sifon.cc.mcgill.ca> <66qcmc$4vc@nntp02.primenet.com> <34a9a4e3.620920583@news.uswest.net> <3493a630.0@news.netmagic.net> <34ad40a5.200023065@news.uswest.net> <34990656.4227775@news.axion.bt.co.uk> Reply-To: benw@iona.nospam.please.we'reirish.com NNTP-Posting-Host: arachnid.dublin.iona.ie Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ezekiel.eunet.ie 882469463 12141 (None) 193.120.221.162 X-Complaints-To: usenet@eunet.ie X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) Path: ccw.ch!aetna.dolphins.ch!news.planetc.com!leto.ou.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!EU.net!Ireland.EU.net!not-for-mail Mike Holmans wrote: > Do any other afuisti have names for their VCRs, or know anybody who > does? Ours is "the clock" because that's the only use we used to get out of it. ben "VideoPlus changed my life" w. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ "If you name me a street | ben walsh Then I'll name you a bar | benw at iona dot com And I'll walk right through Hell | http://bounce.to/heretic Just to buy you a jar" -- shane | ###### From: gberigan@cse.unl.edu (Greg Berigan) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Y2K Nit (Re: Y2K) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 22:40:51 -0700 Organization: http://cse.unl.edu/~gberigan/ Lines: 28 Message-ID: References: <347D5CE9.5219@example.com> <+-----------------------------------------------------+> <67bdnj$kiv$1@news.ncal.verio.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: abeln730a.unl.edu X-Newsreader: MT-NewsWatcher 2.3.5 User-Agent: MT-NewsWatcher/2.3.5 X-Face: ZFtFvHS5S$A1psPzniMqb^/rZ:p6ekB-VFrEmh|`fm1ot%B?wIRZ$@_f2wXz7 z>JhMT= Path: ccw.ch!aetna.dolphins.ch!news.planetc.com!leto.ou.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!4.1.16.34!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-sea-19.sprintlink.net!news-in-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!206.139.252.9!feed.newsreader.com!newsfeed.inetnebr.com!crcnews.unl.edu!gberigan hatunen@wco.com (David Hatunen) wrote: >Greg Berigan wrote: >> Sometimes it can get frustrating that a VCR knows the year. I've >> programmed VCRs incorrectly more than once where the program I set wasn't >> going to record for a year. Get an AM/PM wrong or a start time that has >> passed and it assumes the next year. Once this error wasn't noticed for 3 >> weeks. > You program your VCR a year in advance? Where do you get your TV Guide? From > Marty McFly? Never intentionally. But some things are on at the same time every year. New Year's Eve for one. Wouldn't do me any good though. In my present housing situation, I'm not allowed to supply power to such devices over breaks. We can't even leave University-supplied refrigerators plugged in over X-mas break. Not even UL-listed devices like clocks. I'm going to miss the premiere of Babylon 5 on TNT because of this. (Any way to get power through magnetic induction over the wires without plugging anything into an outlet?) -- _-<#)-=# http://cse.unl.edu/~gberigan/War-of-the-Worlds/ ___/___ _-~_--<###) Due to widespread abuse, I no longer read any messages <~c>' __--< from users who employ munged addresses in their headers. \_--=____#) "We've upped our standards, so up yours." -- Pat Paulsen '88 ###### From: nickb@primenet.com (Nick S Bensema) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Y2K Nit (Re: Y2K) Date: 18 Dec 1997 23:06:00 -0700 Organization: PrImE NuT (602)864-1005 <--- <--- <--- Lines: 25 Message-ID: <67d2s8$bab@nntp02.primenet.com> References: <347D5CE9.5219@example.com> <67bccd$7eu@mozo.cc.purdue.edu> <349b51f5.4713405@Rockyd> X-Posted-By: nickb@206.165.6.207 (nickb) X-Battlestar-Galactica-Date: 2349 croutons, 58 futons, SIX HECTARES! X-Newsreader: trn 4.0-test58 (13 May 97) Path: ccw.ch!aetna.dolphins.ch!news.planetc.com!leto.ou.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!globalcenter0!news.primenet.com!not-for-mail In article <349b51f5.4713405@Rockyd>, Alexandre Pechtchanski wrote: >In article , >Greg Berigan wrote: > >[ snip ] > >>My cable decoder box gets its time signal from the cable company. At >>times I've wished it didn't. I've seen it occassionally reset to midnight >>Sunday for no apparent reason. > >And to bring it back to alt.folklore.computers, I think I know the reason for >that: I once have seen "preview" channel to break and start showing boot >sequence for (of all things) Windows-95. It immediately explained (for me) the >source of all problems with cable. I've seen DOS prompts and Amiga Kickstart 1.2 boot screens, as well as Guru Meditation fatal error messages from both Kickstart 1.2 and 2.*. -- Nick Bensema 98-KUPD Red Card #710563 UIN: 2135445 ~~~~ ~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Prepare ship for ludicruos speed! http://www.climatefacts.org/ - Everyone but the bad boys have to behave. ###### From: 00093182@bigred.unl.edu (Josh Hesse) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers,unl.flame,unl.general Subject: Re: Y2K Nit (Re: Y2K) Followup-To: unl.flame Date: 19 Dec 1997 07:10:31 GMT Organization: Spontaneous Freelance Network Consulting, UnInc. Lines: 25 Message-ID: <67d6l7$5t7@crcnis3.unl.edu> References: <347D5CE9.5219@example.com> <+-----------------------------------------------------+> <67bdnj$kiv$1@news.ncal.verio.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: bigred.unl.edu X-HTML:
X-Newsreader: TIN [UNIX 1.3 950621BETA PL0] Path: ccw.ch!aetna.dolphins.ch!news.planetc.com!leto.ou.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsxfer3.itd.umich.edu!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-pull.sprintlink.net!news-in-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!206.139.252.9!feed.newsreader.com!newsfeed.inetnebr.com!crcnews.unl.edu!manager In alt.folklore.computers, Greg Berigan (gberigan@cse.unl.edu) wrote: : : Wouldn't do me any good though. In my present housing situation, I'm not : allowed to supply power to such devices over breaks. We can't even leave : University-supplied refrigerators plugged in over X-mas break. Not even : UL-listed devices like clocks. I'm going to miss the premiere of Babylon : 5 on TNT because of this. (Any way to get power through magnetic : induction over the wires without plugging anything into an outlet?) : Not that I'm aware of, but I'm sure that UNL housing would just *love* to walk into a room with a _battery_ powered timer hooked into a portable generator... Followups directed to unl.flame, which with what happened in the Cather tonight, should be unl.up.in.flames (trashchute fire).. -- Do not send mail to this account. Really. "Talk about silly conspiracy theories..." -Wayne Schlitt in unl.general This post (C)1997, Josh Hesse. Quoted material is (C) of the person quoted. |ess|erb|unl|u| email: jh|e@h|ie.|.ed| .Sigfile freshness date: 12/1/97 Did you vote? 7.7% for Bob: ###### From: tnyari@voicenet.com (Trevor N.) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban,alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Y2K Nit (Re: Y2K) Date: Fri, 26 Dec 1997 18:56:30 GMT Organization: Zippo News Service [http://www.zippo.com] Lines: 14 Message-ID: <34a2b7af.6341296@snews.zippo.com> References: <347D5CE9.5219@example.com> <3483408D.10EB@nospamus.oracle.com> <34911671.821238@news.ns.net> <66p6ac$caa2@eccws1.dearborn.ford.com> <66u4i2$eti@netaxs.com> <882205797snz@tnglwood.demon.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: p-099.newsdawg.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 Path: ccw.ch!aetna.dolphins.ch!news.planetc.com!leto.ou.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!News.Vancouver.iSTAR.net!news.istar.net!newsfeed.direct.ca!logbridge.uoregon.edu!zdc!szdc!super.zippo.com!newsp.zippo.com!snews3 On Mon, 15 Dec 97 17:09:57 GMT, Robert Billing wrote: > Since when has the 555 had any registers inside it, let alone a clock, >or any address or data pins for that matter? IIRC it is a latch, two >comparators, and some odds and ends like that. It has three 5k resistors. -- Win*ows 95: n. 32 bit extensions and a graphical shell for a 16 bit patch to an 8 bit operating system originally coded for a 4 bit microprocessor, written by a 2 bit company that can't stand 1 bit of competition. ###### Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 11:39:55 +0100 Message-ID: From: peterk@combo.ganesha.com (Dr. Peter Kittel) Subject: Re: e: Y2K Nit (Re: Y2K) Reply-To: peterk @ combo.ganesha.com References: <347D5CE9.5219@example.com> <3493a630.0@news.netmagic.net> <01EwhBA4lml0EwFo@on-the-train.demon.co.uk> <6765bm$l6n$2@news.ncal.verio.com> X-Newsreader: rn7.bas Lines: 33 Organization: Private Path: ccw.ch!aetna.dolphins.ch!news.planetc.com!leto.ou.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.ecrc.net!blackbush.xlink.net!ganesha.ganesha.com!shorter!combo.ganesha.com!peterk In article Neil Franklin (reply remove nospam.) writes: > >I would be lost without Teletext pages 300 (the program listings >and descriptions). Me too. News and relevant info at any time of the day you want it, updated within minutes if necessary. >Both lusers and hackers over here regard Teletext as a success. >Why else would hackers put Teletext decoders into their PCs? I have a URL where the German Teletext (called Videotext here) is translated automatically into Web pages for (slightly) faster viewing: http://www.ardzdf.de/set_videotext.html >ehrice@his.com (Edward Rice) >>doesn't make much money here in the US. > >Doesn't make any here either. Its just neccessary to keep your viewers >happy, to not lose them. US TV most likely survives without becuase >most americans don't know what they are missing. > >Actually the Swiss Teletext ist advert payed, just ignore the bottom >of the screen (it doesn't cost modem time). Also the commercial stations in Germany like RTL carry adverts as parts of their Teletext pages. -- Best Regards, Dr. Peter Kittel // http://www.pios.de of PIOS Private Site in Frankfurt, Germany \X/ office: peterk @ pios.de Still big newsfeed problems causing long delays.