From: John Riddoch Newsgroups: comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc,comp.unix.misc,alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: NT server vs workstation (was Re: Unix and its portability) Date: Mon, 08 Dec 1997 08:47:17 +0000 Organization: Robert Gordon University Lines: 33 Message-ID: <348BB415.A624FCC8@scms.rgu.ac.uk> References: <3471f40d.128654790@news.u-net.com> <65cvm6$44b$1@bofh.noc.best.net> <347A72B7.3046@ix.netcom.com> <65eprq$n5v@shell2.bayarea.net> <347B8558.5B0E4F70@cpl.net> <34863902.7183828@news.demon.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: astar.scms.rgu.ac.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (X11; I; SunOS 5.5 sun4m) Path: ccw.ch!aetna.dolphins.ch!news.planetc.com!leto.ou.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!csulb.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!ais.net!chippy.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!news.IAEhv.nl!Aladdin!aladdin.net!ns2.aladdin.net!peernews.ftech.net!159.170.4.40.MISMATCH!news.smsuk.smed.com!yama.mcc.ac.uk!liv!rgu.ac.uk!scms.rgu.ac.uk!not-for-mail Jaimie Vandenbergh wrote: > >> And what > >> exactly do those registry settings buy me short of the additional > >> software that's on the Server CD? > > A slower personal computer, slightly optimised for network throughput. > So far as I can tell. Having run NT 4.0 workstation on a PC here for a while, we 'upgraded' to Server (we wanted some of the features/utilities in server). The performance downgrade isn't that much; however, we don't do much heavy processing on it, so... > NT 3.51 only had 1 guardian thread, as I recall, which you could kill > and then change the registry. NT4 has 2, which watch each other as > well as the registry. Scary stuff, eh? O'Rielly was scathing about MS seem to have this thing that 'users are stupid' and so make the software idiot proof. A quote I heard was 'if you make something idiot proof, only an idiot will use it'. > it... but didn't even mention that MS have folded the graphics (!) > stuff into the kernel at ring 0. So your gfx drivers can bring down > your mission critical server. Which I've had happen due to MS OpenGL > screensavers before. Sigh. Lovely, stable environment for a server, innit? -- John Riddoch Programmer/Webmaster Room C6, School of Computer and Mathematical Science Robert Gordon University, Aberdeen, AB25 1HG Telphone: (01224)262721 Email jr@scms.rgu.ac.uk ###### From: l3q90@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca (Warnica) Newsgroups: comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc,comp.unix.misc,alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: NT server vs workstation (was Re: Unix and its portability) Followup-To: comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc,comp.unix.misc,alt.folklore.computers Date: 8 Dec 1997 15:10:03 GMT Organization: University of New Brunswick, Fredericton, NB, Canada Lines: 18 Message-ID: <66h2kb$7md@sol.sun.csd.unb.ca> References: <3471f40d.128654790@news.u-net.com> <347B8558.5B0E4F70@cpl.net> <34863902.7183828@news.demon.co.uk> <661dsp$ek73@eccws1.dearborn.ford.com> <667dm6$3e$1@news.ox.ac.uk> <3488330E.60DD@crosslink.net> <66a509$545@camel15.mindspring.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: sol-alt1.unb.ca X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Path: ccw.ch!aetna.dolphins.ch!news.planetc.com!newsfeed.usit.net!198.82.160.249.MISMATCH!solaris.cc.vt.edu!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!torn!garnet.nbnet.nb.ca!news.unb.ca!sol!l3q90 : >> What's to stop you changing the relevant parts of the registry with a : >> disk editor or a more specialised tool while NT isn't actually running? : > : > NTFS Uh - sector editing, not file system editing. Just search through your 5gb drive for server=off and change it to server=on, or whatever... Having a different filesystem dosent matter, unless NTFS doset use ASCII :) -- -- Jeff Warnica jeff.warnica@unb.ca l3q90@unb.ca warnica@unb.ca From the University Of New Brunswickas really crappy NFSd fortune file: Stop searching. Happiness is right next to you. Now, if they'd only take a bath ... ###### om> <65cvm6$44b$1@bofh.noc.best.net> <347A72B7.3046@ix.netcom.com> <65eprq$n5v@shell2.bayarea.net> <347B8558.5B0E4F70@cpl.net> <34863902.7183828@news.demon.co.uk> <348BB415.A624FCC8@scms.rgu.ac.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: surf72.konstanz.netsurf.de Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Newsreader: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.26] Path: ccw.ch!aetna.dolphins.ch!news.planetc.com!leto.ou.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!csulb.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!206.229.87.25!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!fu-berlin.de!unlisys!news.snafu.de!news-hh.maz.net!news-muc.maz.net!uttwil.bodensee.com!Rainer.Duffner In article <348BB415.A624FCC8@scms.rgu.ac.uk>, John Riddoch wrote: > > NT 3.51 only had 1 guardian thread, as I recall, which you could kill > > and then change the registry. NT4 has 2, which watch each other as > > well as the registry. Scary stuff, eh? O'Rielly was scathing about > MS seem to have this thing that 'users are stupid' and so make the > software idiot proof. A quote I heard was 'if you make something > idiot proof, only an idiot will use it'. Actually ISTR that this is a quote from Warren Buffet: "Invest in a business an idiot could run, because one day it will be run by an idiot". Computer-industry proves him right. ciao, Rainer -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ |Rainer Duffner, E-Mail: duffner@fh-konstanz.de | | & Rainer.Duffner@konstanz.netsurf.de | |Fachhochschule Konstanz, Germany | |"What's a Network ?" - Bill Gates, early 1980s | | WWW:http://www-stud.fh-konstanz.de/~duffner | ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ###### From: worc0223@sable.ox.ac.uk (Ben Hutchings) Newsgroups: comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc,comp.unix.misc,alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: NT server vs workstation (was Re: Unix and its portability) Date: 11 Dec 1997 01:14:00 GMT Organization: Not organised Lines: 21 Message-ID: <66neoo$mnf$1@news.ox.ac.uk> References: <3471f40d.128654790@news.u-net.com> <3488330E.60DD@crosslink.net> <66a509$545@camel15.mindspring.com> <66h2kb$7md@sol.sun.csd.unb.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: sable.ox.ac.uk Path: ccw.ch!aetna.dolphins.ch!news.planetc.com!leto.ou.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!csulb.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!baron.netcom.net.uk!netcom.net.uk!server3.netnews.ja.net!news.ox.ac.uk!sable.ox.ac.uk!worc0223 In article <66h2kb$7md@sol.sun.csd.unb.ca>, Warnica wrote: > >: >> What's to stop you changing the relevant parts of the registry with a >: >> disk editor or a more specialised tool while NT isn't actually running? >: > >: > NTFS > >Uh - sector editing, not file system editing. Just search through your 5gb >drive for server=off and change it to server=on, or whatever... Having a >different filesystem dosent matter, unless NTFS doset use ASCII :) It's the contents of the files that are important here, not the names. But both NTFS and the rest of NT use Unicode with (I think) a shift-encoding, which looks just the same as ASCII when only dealing with characters that are in ASCII. -- Ben Hutchings, M&CS student | Jay Miner Society website: http://www.jms.org/ email/finger m95bwh@ecs.ox.ac.uk | homepage http://users.ox.ac.uk/~worc0223/ If the facts do not conform to your theory, they must be disposed of. ###### From: dont_spam_me@[127.0.0.1] (Jose Marques) Newsgroups: comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc,comp.unix.misc,alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: NT server vs workstation (was Re: Unix and its portability) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 01:17:52 +0000 Organization: Lines: 15 Message-ID: References: <3471f40d.128654790@news.u-net.com> <65cvm6$44b$1@bofh.noc.best.net> <347A72B7.3046@ix.netcom.com> <65eprq$n5v@shell2.bayarea.net> <347B8558.5B0E4F70@cpl.net> <34863902.7183828@news.demon.co.uk> <348BB415.A624FCC8@scms.rgu.ac.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: ae045.du.pipex.com Path: ccw.ch!aetna.dolphins.ch!news.planetc.com!leto.ou.edu!news.ecn.uoknor.edu!munnari.OZ.AU!news.mel.connect.com.au!news.syd.connect.com.au!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!rill.news.pipex.net!pipex!uunetukout!bore.news.pipex.net!pipex!user In article <348BB415.A624FCC8@scms.rgu.ac.uk>, John Riddoch wrote: [Snip] >Having run NT 4.0 workstation on a PC here for a while, we 'upgraded' >to Server (we wanted some of the features/utilities in server). The >performance downgrade isn't that much; however, we don't do much heavy >processing on it, so... Something slightly related. Went into the bank today to get some money. Guess what I saw on the cashpoint (ATM for US listeners) screen. The NT blue screen of death - it was one of the new IBM colour graphics jobbies. Oh what fun. The bank in question was NatWest, a year or so back there was a computer weekly article saying they'd migrated all their 20,000 desktops to NT. Nice to know it's as reliable for them as it is for me ;->. Crash proof - chortle chortle, Mission critical - snigger snigger. Makes me wonder if I should change banks. [Snip] >John Riddoch Programmer/Webmaster ###### Path: ccw.ch!usenet From: Neil Franklin Newsgroups: comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc,comp.unix.misc,alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: NT server vs workstation (was Re: Unix and its portability) Date: 11 Dec 1997 18:20:14 +0100 Lines: 8 Message-ID: References: <3471f40d.128654790@news.u-net.com> <65cvm6$44b$1@bofh.noc.best.net> <347A72B7.3046@ix.netcom.com> <65eprq$ n5v@shell2.bayarea.net> <347B8558.5B0E4F70@cpl.net> <34863902.7183828@news.demon .co.uk> <348BB415.A624FCC8@scms.rgu.ac.uk> X-Newsreader: Gnus v5.3/Emacs 19.34 > saw on the cashpoint ... NT blue screen of death That makes it a crashpoint:-) -- Neil.Franklin@ccw.ch, http://www.ccw.ch/Neil.Franklin/ for Geek Code, Papernet, Voicenet, PGP public key see http: Any computer, that is running optimally, is outdated; including my Cx486 ###### From: martini@heaven7.snafu.de (Martin Ibert) Newsgroups: comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc,comp.unix.misc,alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: NT server vs workstation (was Re: Unix and its portability) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 21:48:47 GMT Organization: The Seventh Heaven, Berlin, Germany Lines: 22 Message-ID: <34935ead.87396583@news.sky.bln.sub.org> References: <3471f40d.128654790@news.u-net.com> <347B8558.5B0E4F70@cpl.net> <34863902.7183828@news.demon.co.uk> <661dsp$ek73@eccws1.dearborn.ford.com> <667dm6$3e$1@news.ox.ac.uk> <3488330E.60DD@crosslink.net> <87ra7rbsdj.fsf@paramount.res.wpi.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: arezzo.sky.bln.sub.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 Path: ccw.ch!aetna.dolphins.ch!news.planetc.com!leto.ou.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!csulb.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!fu-berlin.de!unlisys!news.snafu.de!desert!firenze.sky.bln.sub.org!news On 05 Dec 1997 12:40:40 -0500, Frank Sweetser wrote: >And, of course, imagine if regedit was ported to linux... ;-) It has been done. (Now, quit making that face. Really.) Software AG has ported DCOM to UNIX. DCOM needs a registry to be happy. A registry needs a registry editor to be useful. The second platform that Software AG choose to port DCOM to was Linux (the first was Solaris). They demoed a Solaris version of regedit on Solaris at the Microsoft TechEd 97 in Nice. The guy doing the presentation (Todd Gray or something like that) said that this was the last time the SparcBook would be going out for a demo, and that he would be bringing a Linux notebook next time. So for all I know, there is a properly licenced, working version of regedit on Linux. Whether the binary files are compatible to their NT brethren is a different matter, but I would venture a guess that they are. -- Please visit http://www.snafu.de/~martini/ for contact information! ------------------------------------------------------------------- |Blind faith in your leaders, or in anything, will get you killed!| ###### From: andrew@cucumber.demon.co.uk (Andrew Gabriel) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: NT server vs workstation (was Re: Unix and its portability) Date: 14 Dec 1997 00:00:45 GMT Organization: home Message-ID: <66v7jd$hn@cucumber.demon.co.uk> References: <3471f40d.128654790@news.u-net.com> <65cvm6$44b$1@bofh.noc.best.net> <347A72B7.3046@ix.netcom.com> <65eprq$n5v@shell2.bayarea.net> <347B8558.5B0E4F70@cpl.net> <34863902.7183828@news.demon.co.uk> <348BB415.A624FCC8@scms.rgu.ac.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: cucumber X-NNTP-Posting-Host: cucumber.demon.co.uk [158.152.58.86] X-Newsreader: knews 0.9.6 Lines: 16 Path: ccw.ch!aetna.dolphins.ch!news.planetc.com!news-xfer.siscom.net!newsxfer.visi.net!news.idt.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!cucumber.demon.co.uk!usenet In article , Neil Franklin writes: >> saw on the cashpoint ... NT blue screen of death > >That makes it a crashpoint:-) Just after a power cut, the one in the village where I work was displaying: 512kB OK A bit difficult to get NT into that! -- Andrew Gabriel Consultant Software Engineer