From: jeffrey bryer Newsgroups: alt.consciousness.near-death-exp Subject: Re: Some Anger In NDE Circles? Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 22:36:53 -0500 Organization: AMEN / MDEN / SMG Lines: 66 Message-ID: <69mkf0$dqk@mtinsc04.worldnet.att.net> References: <69hhrs$fmq@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net> <34BE3068.6B24@ix.netcom.com> <34be560e.652550@nntp.ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.70.70.106 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) To: jrhahn@ix.netcom.com Path: ccw.ch!aetna.dolphins.ch!news.planetc.com!leto.ou.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!worldnet.att.net!newsadm I regretfully agree on this issue! I sense much pain, frustration and anger emanating from numerous REGULAR posters on this NG. I was shocked by an email recently (at least this poster had the decency to keep it private) by an "LITTLE" email visitor. Although this Life Changing Experience (NDE) has taken its path straight through your time line here on earth, does not mean by any sense of the word that YOU are the only ones who have experienced death. EVERYONE HAS DONE IT. There are no new Souls here! You may have had the privilege of visiting the Light and remembering bits and pieces as if it were reality (not to say that it was not) but all of us have been there, done that and tried it at one time or another. Some may remember and...some may not! Behold, as the truth is this: LOVE, COMPASSION, HUMBLENESS & FORGIVENESS are the 4 measures by which we to be one with God. Not...,"WHO's Dick is bigger or Brain is Smaller or ect.ect.ect.! Focus on the lessons YOU are here to learn, after all, it's obvious why YOU came back to the earthly plane. YOU HAVE NOT LEARNED YOUR LESSONS! We are all students. In order to attain Oneness with the Great One, the Universe, we Must apply the gifts that we have previously attained and have at our disposal HERE, ON EARTH. Give back the Love and Gifts that each one of you have been given. That is completing HALF of your contract with God. The other half is: To embrace the HUMBLENESS and dump the EGO. As each one of us are the same...we truly already know what we must ascertain from this world. That knowledge sits within our hearts, our souls, our chakras...! It has just been repressed in this form of reality but.... It is there all of the time. Just as your Soul, your Spirit and your Body exists. All of the knowledge of the Universe exists within you and me! Be kind, compassionate, humble and loving of all creatures & creation. Equally as important and the HARDEST thing to learn is to.....FORGIVE. We must learn forgiveness. Say a prayer for those trespassers no matter what pain and harms they may cause. Vengeance belongs to the Universe as we will soon remember following our departure from this gravity hole called Earth. All of the readers on this group will know that I am not motivated by ego or a materialistic nature...I come here with an open heart and soul with much to give and much to learn. Thank you for reading....now lets follow our paths and grow! Jeffrey Bryer Jon R. Hahn wrote: > On Thu, 15 Jan 1998 08:51:04 -0700, Shaun Case > wrote: > > > Why do we need this??? This group is for those of us who have already > >been there. You haven't, maybe you should ask us, instead of trying to > >con us out of our time and money. > > Such anger in one that has had an NDE? Interesting. > > Jon ###### From: abmacf@sonic.net (Alan B. Mac Farlane) Newsgroups: alt.consciousness.near-death-exp Subject: Re: Some Anger In NDE Circles? Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 10:53:12 -0800 Organization: Psyche Lines: 101 Message-ID: References: <69hhrs$fmq@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net> <34BE3068.6B24@ix.netcom.com> <34be560e.652550@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <69mkf0$dqk@mtinsc04.worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: d124.pm3.sonic.net Path: ccw.ch!aetna.dolphins.ch!news.planetc.com!news-xfer.siscom.net!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!news.he.net!pushkin.conxion.com!ultra.sonic.net!d124.pm3.sonic.net!user Hey Jeffery: You are just looking into a mirror and refuse to see your own reflection. Your sense of pain, frustration and anger is a projection of your own mind. And you are of course blind to this. And this I respectfully propose is a LESSON for you to learn. And you will of course will not learn it - as you are in denial of your own pain, frustration and anger insisting that everybody is a mess except you of course. The war you see in the world (or this NG) is just a reflection of the war that is in you. It really don't exist out here in the real world. For there are no paths out here - only in there is the path. Until you discover that the path also is an illusion, empty and meaningless. When you get there - get back to me ok. 360 degrees in a circle and twice as many ways to the center. The center is the center - it don't change. Even if you take a right angle turn and leave it after you arrive. Ciao SumBuddie In article <69mkf0$dqk@mtinsc04.worldnet.att.net>, jeffrey bryer wrote: > I regretfully agree on this issue! I sense much pain, frustration and anger > emanating from numerous REGULAR posters on this NG. [snipped] ###### Path: ccw.ch!usenet From: Neil.Franklin.remove.this@ccw.ch Newsgroups: alt.consciousness.near-death-exp Subject: Re: Some Anger In NDE Circles? Date: 18 Jan 1998 03:44:38 +0100 Organization: My own Private Self Lines: 38 Message-ID: References: <69hhrs$fmq@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net> <34BE3068.6B24@ix.netcom.com> <34be560e.652550@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <69mkf0$dqk@mtinsc04.worldnet.att.net> X-Newsreader: Gnus v5.3/Emacs 19.34 abmacf@sonic.net (Alan B. Mac Farlane) let out the following: >You are just looking into a mirror and refuse to see your own reflection. >Your sense of pain, frustration and anger is a projection of your own mind. >The war you see in the world (or this NG) is just a reflection of the war >that is in you. It really don't exist out here in the real world. User: Read error, Input does not make sense, aborting... Reboot. Attempted interpretation: The war you see in the world (example Iraq?) .. is just a reflection of the war that is in you (example me?). It (example Saddam) really don't exist out here in the real world (example Iraq). So you are saying that if I had no war in me (what war?) the war in Iraq would have not happened? You know what? That sentance makes absolutely no sense! Note assumption on my part: the lines of characters you emit are to interpreted in accordance with the English language. >When you get there - get back to me ok. How helpfull! Could you try to explain (that is put into words any mere mortal understands) what you want to say? Perhaps that would prevent you from being regarded as an nutcase by others. And it may help us getting to "there", if we understand what "there" is. If you do not want to be understood, then why are you bothering to post it? Seems a waste of time to me. -- Neil.Franklin.remove.this@ccw.ch, http://www.ccw.ch/Neil.Franklin/ for Geek Code, Papernet, Voicenet, PGP public key see http: If I go missing, its once again my newsfeed that has craped ###### From: no-spam@sonic.net (Scott Doty) Newsgroups: alt.consciousness.near-death-exp Subject: Re: Some Anger In NDE Circles? Date: 18 Jan 1998 21:46:54 GMT Organization: Sonic,Santa Rosa CA,http://www.sonic.net Lines: 44 Message-ID: <69tt8e$47k$5@ultra.sonic.net> References: <69hhrs$fmq@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net> <34BE3068.6B24@ix.netcom.com> <34be560e.652550@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <69mkf0$dqk@mtinsc04.worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: pengo X-Newsreader: TIN [UNIX 1.3 950824BETA PL0] Path: ccw.ch!aetna.dolphins.ch!news.planetc.com!news.igateway.net!news.cwi.net!news1.channel1.com!news.pn.com!nntp.pn.com!news-feeder.onramp.net!nntp.flash.net!204.186.0.134.MISMATCH!ptdnetP!newsgate.ptd.net!newspeer.monmouth.com!news1.chicago.iagnet.net!streamer1.cleveland.iagnet.net!qual.net!iagnet.net!pushkin.conxion.com!ultra.sonic.net!not-for-mail Alan B. Mac Farlane (abmacf@sonic.net) wrote: > Hey Jeffery: > > You are just looking into a mirror and refuse to see your own reflection. > > Your sense of pain, frustration and anger is a projection of your own mind. > > And you are of course blind to this. Alan. I have a message. You are a net.kook. Your characteristics include projection of your own fears and problems onto others. "And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?" "And you are of course blind to this." -- because, that beam blinds you. > And this I respectfully propose is a LESSON for you to learn. Indeed. > And you will of course will not learn it - as you are in denial of your > own pain, frustration and anger insisting that everybody is a mess except > you of course. Indeed. > The war you see in the world (or this NG) is just a reflection of the war > that is in you. It really don't exist out here in the real world. For > there are no paths out here - only in there is the path. Until you > discover that the path also is an illusion, empty and meaningless. Indeed. The question left unanswered: To whom do you speak? We know. -Scott p.s. Mac's latest channeling can be found here: http://www.sonic.net/scott/intercepted.wav ###### From: abmacf@sonic.net (Alan B. Mac Farlane) Newsgroups: alt.consciousness.near-death-exp Subject: Re: Some Anger In NDE Circles? Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 22:40:49 -0800 Organization: Psyche Lines: 51 Message-ID: References: <69hhrs$fmq@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net> <34BE3068.6B24@ix.netcom.com> <34be560e.652550@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <69mkf0$dqk@mtinsc04.worldnet.att.net> <69tt8e$47k$5@ultra.sonic.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: d67.pm9.sonic.net Path: ccw.ch!aetna.dolphins.ch!news.planetc.com!atl-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!207.206.0.75!streamer1.cleveland.iagnet.net!qual.net!iagnet.net!pushkin.conxion.com!ultra.sonic.net!d67.pm9.sonic.net!user Everything is okey doaky over here Snott - thanks for asking. SumBuddie In article <69tt8e$47k$5@ultra.sonic.net>, no-spam@sonic.net (Scott Doty) wrote: > Alan B. Mac Farlane (abmacf@sonic.net) wrote: > > Hey Jeffery: > > > > You are just looking into a mirror and refuse to see your own reflection. > > > > Your sense of pain, frustration and anger is a projection of your own mind. > > > > And you are of course blind to this. > > Alan. I have a message. > > You are a net.kook. Your characteristics include projection > of your own fears and problems onto others. > > "And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but > considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?" > > "And you are of course blind to this." -- because, that beam blinds > you. > > > And this I respectfully propose is a LESSON for you to learn. > > Indeed. > > > And you will of course will not learn it - as you are in denial of your > > own pain, frustration and anger insisting that everybody is a mess except > > you of course. > > Indeed. > > > The war you see in the world (or this NG) is just a reflection of the war > > that is in you. It really don't exist out here in the real world. For > > there are no paths out here - only in there is the path. Until you > > discover that the path also is an illusion, empty and meaningless. > > Indeed. > > The question left unanswered: To whom do you speak? > > We know. > > -Scott > p.s. Mac's latest channeling can be found here: > http://www.sonic.net/scott/intercepted.wav ###### From: no-spam@sonic.net (Scott Doty) Newsgroups: alt.consciousness.near-death-exp Subject: Re: Some Anger In NDE Circles? Date: 19 Jan 1998 09:43:39 GMT Organization: Sonic,Santa Rosa CA,http://www.sonic.net Lines: 17 Message-ID: <69v78b$bah$2@ultra.sonic.net> References: <69hhrs$fmq@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net> <34BE3068.6B24@ix.netcom.com> <34be560e.652550@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <69mkf0$dqk@mtinsc04.worldnet.att.net> <69tt8e$47k$5@ultra.sonic.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: pengo X-Newsreader: TIN [UNIX 1.3 950824BETA PL0] Path: ccw.ch!aetna.dolphins.ch!news.planetc.com!news-xfer.siscom.net!streamer1.cleveland.iagnet.net!qual.net!iagnet.net!pushkin.conxion.com!ultra.sonic.net!not-for-mail I asked: > > The question left unanswered: To whom do you speak? > > > > We know. Alan B. Mac Farlane (abmacf@sonic.net) wrote: > Everything is okey doaky over here Snott - thanks for asking. > Translation of Alan's standard reply: "I am defeated, therefore I will divert attention." If he's afraid now, just think what will happen when the Metrons get here. Bruhahaha. -Scott ###### From: daarrn@netcom.ca (Drew Arrington) Newsgroups: alt.consciousness.near-death-exp Subject: Re: Some Anger In NDE Circles? Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 19:02:44 GMT Organization: none Lines: 29 Message-ID: <34c8e4f7.231191504@nntp.netcom.ca> References: <69hhrs$fmq@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net> <34BE3068.6B24@ix.netcom.com> <34be560e.652550@nntp.ix.netcom.com> <69mkf0$dqk@mtinsc04.worldnet.att.net> <69tt8e$47k$5@ultra.sonic.net> <69v78b$bah$2@ultra.sonic.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: vic-bc1-35.netcom.ca NNTP-Posting-Date: 23 Jan 1998 14:06:35 EST X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Path: ccw.ch!aetna.dolphins.ch!news.planetc.com!news-xfer.siscom.net!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!scanner.worldgate.com!tor-nn1.netcom.ca!not-for-mail I think what Alan is cryptically trying to say is: take a look at everything you see and judge and find out how it relates to yourself and your own struggles in your life. If something offends you, find out why. Is it REALLY because it's the other persons FAULT? I, personally know that that isn't true. Ask yourself these questions: Why did it make me angry in the first place? Why do I choose to respond in such an antaganistic manner? What events and/or situations have taught me to respond thus? Can I stop responding this way? Do I want to stop responding this way? Alan is just trying to say that life is a mirror of what is going on inside yourself. If you find yourself judging a situation (Like Alan saying that you are blind. For that is a judgement, though it could just be a hypathetical observation based on nothing more than the facts at hand. It may be incorrect or at least incorrect for what he is trying to get across, for if the student is unable to hear the words, why say them?) then that in turn is a judgement that you hold on yourself that causes you termoil and strife in your life. When you release (that is you who are reading this, if you choose to, of course) the judgements you have on yourself then you realise that you have released the judgements on others as well. Then you will be able to accept people as they are and not how you wish them to be. The same goes for yourself, when you release the judgements on yourself, then, and only then, will you really be happy and accepting of who you REALLY are, all the time and not just for a few moments. Basically, in lamens terms, Alan is trying to say, "Don't worry, be happy and this is how it can be done.". Well, that's my interpretation at any rate. Thanks for the read. With Gratitude, Drew