From: anubis@email.ipagan.net (Anubis Yellowstar) Newsgroups: alt.ascii-art Subject: newb question Date: 23 Sep 2003 04:59:41 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 8 Message-ID: <3577fa57.0309230359.55431b10@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.191.228.18 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1064318382 26544 127.0.0.1 (23 Sep 2003 11:59:42 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 23 Sep 2003 11:59:42 GMT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.ascii-art:37021 i didn't see this in the FAQ. i've noticed in a lot of "old skool" txt files (zines and such), the are "justified" columns with carefully placed, almost unnoticeable, instances of 2 spaces between words instead of one, so that both the left and right margins line up. i was thinking that this would be useful when combining ascii art with lengthy paragraphs, should i ever have need to do such a thing... is this usually done manually, or are there tools out there to assist one in doing this without making it look like crap? ###### Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!not-for-mail From: Neil Franklin Newsgroups: alt.ascii-art Subject: Re: newb question Date: 23 Sep 2003 15:27:12 +0200 Organization: My own Private Self Lines: 52 Message-ID: <6u65jjocsv.fsf@chonsp.franklin.ch> References: <3577fa57.0309230359.55431b10@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: chonsp.franklin.ch X-Trace: chonsp.franklin.ch 1064323632 386 10.0.3.2 (23 Sep 2003 13:27:12 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news@chonsp.franklin.ch NNTP-Posting-Date: 23 Sep 2003 13:27:12 GMT X-Newsreader: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.ascii-art:37029 anubis@email.ipagan.net (Anubis Yellowstar) writes: > txt files (zines and such), the are "justified" columns with carefully > placed, almost unnoticeable, instances of 2 spaces between words > instead of one, so that both the left and right margins line up. That is called block justification, as opposed to left justification (normal text) or right justification (unused space all at left) or middle justification (equal space at both ends). > was thinking that this would be useful when combining ascii art with > lengthy paragraphs, should i ever have need to do such a thing... is Possibly. If you want an very stylish page. > this usually done manually, or are there tools out there to assist one > in doing this without making it look like crap? There definitely are tools. They are known as text formatters. But I would assume them to wreck any ASCII art inserted. Or at least make it fairly difficult, as the Art needs to be specially marked so it does not get moved around. They are also fairly oldfashioned to use, requiring one to write the text with formatting commands inserted. The working style is a bit like writing HTML Web pages by hand (without an special web editor). Example: Text with inserted formatting commands, for the "troff" formatter: http://neil.franklin.ch/Jokes_and_Fun/crashed.8 What the formatter produces: http://neil.franklin.ch/Jokes_and_Fun/Man_Page_Crashed Compare the 2 pages to see how much you need to do. Then try and imagine inserting an ASCII art into it. This will require an .br line between each art line (so that they do not get "flowed" into one long string and then cut up to fit the page). And how one makes text appear next to the picture, without having to manually "mix" them, I do not know (I am not really an expert at this). -- Neil Franklin, neil@franklin.ch.remove http://neil.franklin.ch/ Hacker, Unix Guru, El Eng HTL/BSc, Programmer, Archer, Blacksmith - hardware runs the world, software controls the hardware code generates the software, have you coded today? ###### Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 20:40:26 +0200 From: Christian 'CeeJay' Jensen User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.5b) Gecko/20030901 Thunderbird/0.2 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.ascii-art Subject: Re: newb question References: <3577fa57.0309230359.55431b10@posting.google.com> In-Reply-To: <3577fa57.0309230359.55431b10@posting.google.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 35 Message-ID: <3f709386$0$48892$edfadb0f@dtext02.news.tele.dk> Organization: TDC Internet NNTP-Posting-Host: 80.161.50.86 X-Trace: 1064342407 dtext02.news.tele.dk 48892 80.161.50.86 X-Complaints-To: abuse@post.tele.dk Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff2.ethz.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!irazu.switch.ch!switch.ch!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!news.tele.dk!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.ascii-art:37031 Anubis Yellowstar wrote: > i didn 't see th is in t he FAQ. i've noticed in a > lot of "old skool" txt fil es (zin es and such), the > are "jus tified" colu mns wit h carefu lly placed, almost > unnotic eable, instanc es of 2 spaces between > words i nstead of one , so th at both the left and rig > ht margi ns line up. i was th inking that this would > be usef ul when combining ascii ar t with length y parag > raphs, should i ever have need to do such a thin g... is this usual > ly done manual ly, or a re there tools out there to assist o > ne in doin g this without making it look like crap? JavE's Camelize tool can be very useful for doing this. It's original intend was to make ascii-art by formating provided textinput. Here's a repost of a picture of mine that uses one of the variations that the Camelize tool can provide : :I'm:: ::scared:: Dave.:I:can :feel: :my:: mind:going. ::I'm::: ::::: ::::: ::::: afraid.: :I'm: ::::: ::::: :::: ::: :afraid,: Dave.:Dave. :my: mind :is:: ::::: :::: going.::::I :can: feel:it.:I can::::feel :it.: :my:: mind is::::going. :::: :::: there is::::::::no ::::: ::question:: :::: :::: :::: :::: about:it. :I:: can: feel:it. This text is from "2001 - A Space Odyssey" The original text was hard to fit so I choose to fill the spaces as you see, but you don't have to do that. Draw the shape you want the text to fit and then copy the text into Jave and select it. Then start the Camelize tool, load the image and play with the options.