From: drsquare Newsgroups: alt.ascii-art Subject: The Tengwar Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 23:57:08 +0000 (UTC) Organization: BT Openworld Lines: 87 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: host213-122-191-209.btinternet.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: knossos.btinternet.com 1008892628 9826 213.122.191.209 (20 Dec 2001 23:57:08 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@knossos.btinternet.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 23:57:08 +0000 (UTC) X-No-Archive: yes X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!skynet.be!skynet.be!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!btnet-peer0!btnet-feed5!btnet!news.btopenworld.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.ascii-art:25888 Looks better when highlighted. THE TENGWAR ---------------------------------------------------. I II III IV | .---------------------------------------------------| |1 2 3 4 | | | | '.'''. `.'''. .'' .' ':''':' | | : : : : : : : : | | : '' :''''' ''': ''': | | : : : : | | | | | |5 6 7 8 | | `.''':''': `.'''.'''. .'' .'' .' ':''':''':'| | : : : : : : : : : : : : | | : '' '' :''''''''' ''' ''': ''' ''': | | : : : : | | : : : : | | | | | |9 10 11 12 | | | | : : : : | | : : : : | | :.''. :.''. .' : ':''': | | : .' :...:. '..': '..': | | | | | |13 14 15 16 | | : : | | : : : : | | : . .. : . .. : : | | :' : : :' : : .' .' : ':'':''': | | : .' .' :..:..:' '..'..': '..'..': | | | | | |17 18 19 20 | | | | | | . . .. . . .. . . | | :' : : :' : : .' .' : ':'':''': | | : .' .' :..:..:' '..'..': '..'..': | | | | | |21 22 23 24 | | | | '.'''. `.'''. .'' .' ':''':' | | : : : : : : : : | | ' '' '''''' '''' '''' | | | |---------------------------------------------------| | | |25 26 27 28 | | : .': : ': .'''...' .'''...' | | ' : : : : .' .' | | :.' .:.' : '.. | | .' .'.' : . . ''. | | : : '....' '''' | | ' ' | | | |29 30 31 32 | | . .. .' .'''. | | .' : '. .' : | | .' ' : :.' .'': | | .' : .' : | | '. '. .' '...' .' | | '' ' | | | |33 34 35 36 | | .': | | : : : .'''. | | : : ' : : : | | : : .''.: : : '...' | | ': :' '...::. ': : | | | '---------------------------------------------------' ###### Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!not-for-mail From: Neil Franklin Newsgroups: alt.ascii-art Subject: Re: The Tengwar Date: 21 Dec 2001 22:57:02 +0100 Organization: My own Private Self Lines: 49 Message-ID: <6uvgf0nsnl.fsf@chonsp.franklin.ch> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: chonsp.franklin.ch X-Trace: chonsp.franklin.ch 1008971822 540 10.0.3.2 (21 Dec 2001 21:57:02 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news@chonsp.franklin.ch NNTP-Posting-Date: 21 Dec 2001 21:57:02 GMT X-Newsreader: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.ascii-art:25937 drsquare writes: > Looks better when highlighted. What is "highlighted"? My terminal does not know such a thing. Do you mean double bright mode,? Or bold mode? Or underlined? Or inverse video mode? Or is that printed out with double strike mode? Anyway, your piece of art looks OK when displayed normally (that is green text on black background here). Hint: not everyone has an Macintosh (or its copycat Windows) with their obnoxious black on green "pretend it is paper" display. Real terminals have screens with lighted text on black. > |1 2 3 4 | > | | > | '.'''. `.'''. .'' .' ':''':' | > | : : : : : : : : | > | : '' :''''' ''': ''': | > | : : : : | > | | > | | > | . . .. . . .. . . | > | :' : : :' : : .' .' : ':'':''': | > | : .' .' :..:..:' '..'..': '..'..': | > | | > | | > |21 22 23 24 | > | | > | '.'''. `.'''. .'' .' ':''':' | > | : : : : : : : : | > | ' '' '''''' '''' '''' | `,---. `,---. `,---.---. | | | | | | | | -' | -' | -' -' | | t r n (Tauran = forest walker) Elf of Mirkwood (my middle earth roleplaying character) -- Neil Franklin, neil@franklin.ch.remove http://neil.franklin.ch/ Hacker, Unix Guru, El Eng HTL/BSc, Sysadmin, Archer, Roleplayer - Intellectual Property is Intellectual Robbery ###### Newsgroups: alt.ascii-art Subject: Re: The Tengwar Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2001 00:06:54 +0000 (UTC) Organization: BT Openworld Lines: 69 Message-ID: References: <6uvgf0nsnl.fsf@chonsp.franklin.ch> NNTP-Posting-Host: host213-1-164-84.btinternet.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: helle.btinternet.com 1008979614 3697 213.1.164.84 (22 Dec 2001 00:06:54 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@helle.btinternet.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2001 00:06:54 +0000 (UTC) X-No-Archive: yes X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!diablo.theplanet.net!news-hub.cableinet.net!blueyonder!btnet-peer!btnet-peer0!btnet-feed5!btnet!news.btopenworld.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.ascii-art:25976 On 21 Dec 2001 22:57:02 +0100, in alt.ascii-art, (Neil Franklin ) wrote: >drsquare writes: > >> Looks better when highlighted. > >What is "highlighted"? My terminal does not know such a thing. Do you >mean double bright mode,? Or bold mode? Or underlined? Or inverse >video mode? Or is that printed out with double strike mode? I assumed that most people would be viewing it in a program which normally displays black on white, and the letters look best white on black, so highlighting it reverses the colours, making it look right. >Anyway, your piece of art looks OK when displayed normally (that is >green text on black background here). > >Hint: not everyone has an Macintosh (or its copycat Windows) with their >obnoxious black on green "pretend it is paper" display. Real terminals >have screens with lighted text on black. Well, I designed it in vim in gnome-terminal, with grey on black, with the default "fixed" font. That is how it is best viewed. >> |21 22 23 24 | >> | | >> | '.'''. `.'''. .'' .' ':''':' | >> | : : : : : : : : | >> | ' '' '''''' '''' '''' | > > `,---. `,---. `,---.---. > | | | | | | | > | -' | -' | -' -' > | > | > > t r n (Tauran = forest walker) Elf of Mirkwood > (my middle earth roleplaying character) Is that in some sort of mud? In the mud I play, one of my characters is called this: .. . .. .' ' . . .' ' ... ..'''.'''. .' ..'''.'''.'':''':''':'.'''.....'''.'''. : : : : ''. : : : : : : : : : : : :...:..:..' '...''.: .' .' '...'..: : .' :...:...: .' . : '...' : : And in the Angerthas: . . . . . :'. : : : :'. '. .' : : .:. : '. : : : : '. '. . .' : : .' : '. : .' : : : : '. '..' '..' : : .' : '. :.' : : : : : .''. .''. : : ' : ' :'. : : .': : : .' .'. '. : : : : '. : : .' : : : '..' '..' : : : : .' : : .' .': : : .''. .''. : : : :.' : : .' .' : : : .' '.' '. : : : ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' ' Although they're both probably wrong. It is quite hard to do such angular shapes in ascii. The tengwar are much easier. ###### From: Veronica Karlsson Newsgroups: alt.ascii-art Subject: Re: The Tengwar Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2001 08:37:55 +0000 Lines: 24 Message-ID: <3C244662.64B9B3BB@hotmail.com> References: <6uvgf0nsnl.fsf@chonsp.franklin.ch> NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.181.212.229 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1009010061 19476727 212.181.212.229 (16 [58193]) X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04 (X11; I; Linux 2.2.14-5.0 i586) Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news-fra1.dfn.de!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!212.181.212.229!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.ascii-art:25943 drsquare wrote: > Neil Franklin wrote: > > drsquare writes: > > > Looks better when highlighted. > > > > What is "highlighted"? My terminal does not know such a thing. Do you > > mean double bright mode,? Or bold mode? Or underlined? Or inverse > > video mode? Or is that printed out with double strike mode? > > I assumed that most people would be viewing it in a program which normally > displays black on white, and the letters look best white on black, so > highlighting it reverses the colours, making it look right. I use a program which normally displays black on grey, and if I select some text with the mouse it becomes black on yellow. -- ##### c ^ OO /\\\\ ##### | /|\ `^^^^^^^%-- '||` | \\\\ ####-[.]\ / \ " " \ ha ha ha dd /[.]-\\\| ### _| |_ \\| ### (_ http://www.ludd.luth.se/~vk/cgi/asciichat/ _)} == \ / A S C I I A R T C H A T # ||\ ###### From: drsquare Newsgroups: alt.ascii-art Subject: Re: The Tengwar Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2001 12:53:57 +0000 (UTC) Organization: BT Openworld Lines: 20 Message-ID: <8it82uk7v3d6gsb6bsjroatitva6fgf83o@4ax.com> References: <6uvgf0nsnl.fsf@chonsp.franklin.ch> <3C244662.64B9B3BB@hotmail.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: host213-1-132-147.btinternet.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: knossos.btinternet.com 1009025637 6862 213.1.132.147 (22 Dec 2001 12:53:57 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@knossos.btinternet.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2001 12:53:57 +0000 (UTC) X-No-Archive: yes X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!diablo.theplanet.net!news-hub.cableinet.net!blueyonder!btnet-peer!btnet-peer0!btnet-feed5!btnet!news.btopenworld.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.ascii-art:25982 On Sat, 22 Dec 2001 08:37:55 +0000, in alt.ascii-art, (Veronica Karlsson ) wrote: >drsquare wrote: >> Neil Franklin wrote: >> > drsquare writes: >> > > Looks better when highlighted. >> > >> > What is "highlighted"? My terminal does not know such a thing. Do you >> > mean double bright mode,? Or bold mode? Or underlined? Or inverse >> > video mode? Or is that printed out with double strike mode? >> >> I assumed that most people would be viewing it in a program which normally >> displays black on white, and the letters look best white on black, so >> highlighting it reverses the colours, making it look right. > >I use a program which normally displays black on grey, and if I select >some text with the mouse it becomes black on yellow. In that case you'll need to change the colour scheme. ###### From: "Andrew Z Carpenter" Newsgroups: alt.ascii-art Subject: Re: The Tengwar Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2001 16:38:24 -0000 Lines: 20 Message-ID: References: <6uvgf0nsnl.fsf@chonsp.franklin.ch> <3C244662.64B9B3BB@hotmail.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-619.leopard.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: newsg2.svr.pol.co.uk 1009039115 12877 217.135.146.107 (22 Dec 2001 16:38:35 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 22 Dec 2001 16:38:35 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.ascii-art:25954 > "Veronica Karlsson" wrote in > message news:3C244662.64B9B3BB@hotmail.com... > > ##### c ^ OO /\\\\ > ##### | /|\ `^^^^^^^%-- '||` | \\\\ > ####-[.]\ / \ " " \ ha ha ha dd /[.]-\\\| > ### _| |_ \\| > ### (_ http://www.ludd.luth.se/~vk/cgi/asciichat/ _)} == > \ / A S C I I A R T C H A T # ||\ Hey look, it's David and Joaquim! ;-) Andrew ###### Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!not-for-mail From: Neil Franklin Newsgroups: alt.ascii-art Subject: Re: The Tengwar Date: 22 Dec 2001 20:49:10 +0100 Organization: My own Private Self Lines: 58 Message-ID: <6uk7vf9gsp.fsf@chonsp.franklin.ch> References: <6uvgf0nsnl.fsf@chonsp.franklin.ch> NNTP-Posting-Host: chonsp.franklin.ch X-Trace: chonsp.franklin.ch 1009050550 1384 10.0.3.2 (22 Dec 2001 19:49:10 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news@chonsp.franklin.ch NNTP-Posting-Date: 22 Dec 2001 19:49:10 GMT X-Newsreader: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.ascii-art:25985 drsquare writes: > On 21 Dec 2001 22:57:02 +0100, in alt.ascii-art, > (Neil Franklin ) wrote: > >drsquare writes: > > >What is "highlighted"? My terminal does not know such a thing. Do you > >mean double bright mode,? Or bold mode? Or underlined? Or inverse > >video mode? Or is that printed out with double strike mode? > > I assumed that most people would be viewing it in a program which normally > displays black on white, and the letters look best white on black, so > highlighting it reverses the colours, making it look right. Hint: with ASCII do not make assumptions about the viewers system. Some can be very surprising. Even some modern systems have light on dark (like mine, green on black). And some better modern systems when highlighting do not invert (how ugly), but rather underlay an different background color, leaving the foreground colour(s) unchanged (also like mine, black changes to dark green, but I have also seen white background becoming pastel yellow or light gray). I have also seen marked text color change to yellow (on black) or blue/green (on white). And no doubt there exist even more variants. So rather write "looks better in light on dark display". That is neutral of the viewers system type, preferences and highlighting display method. > > `,---. `,---. `,---.---. > > | | | | | | | > > | -' | -' | -' -' > > | > > | > > > > t r n (Tauran = forest walker) Elf of Mirkwood > > (my middle earth roleplaying character) > > Is that in some sort of mud? Roleplaying games (RPGs) predate MUD by quite a bit. Actually they are the originals that MUDs were developed from. They are the pre-computer form, where a group sits around an table, with paper forms (character sheets) that describe the characters abilities and use many-sided dice for random numbers to see if something worked and how well it did. For some example RPG systems see: http://www.sjgames.com/gurps/lite/ http://www.acc.umu.se/~corps/fudge/fudge.html most of the other links I have are in German -- Neil Franklin, neil@franklin.ch.remove http://neil.franklin.ch/ Hacker, Unix Guru, El Eng HTL/BSc, Sysadmin, Archer, Roleplayer - Intellectual Property is Intellectual Robbery ###### From: drsquare Newsgroups: alt.ascii-art Subject: Re: The Tengwar Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2001 23:13:00 +0000 (UTC) Organization: BT Openworld Lines: 62 Message-ID: References: <6uvgf0nsnl.fsf@chonsp.franklin.ch> <6uk7vf9gsp.fsf@chonsp.franklin.ch> NNTP-Posting-Host: host213-1-128-190.btinternet.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: helle.btinternet.com 1009062780 459 213.1.128.190 (22 Dec 2001 23:13:00 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@helle.btinternet.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2001 23:13:00 +0000 (UTC) X-No-Archive: yes X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed.nextra.ch!news.nextra.ch!nextra.at!newsfeed4.cidera.com!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!nntp.abs.net!feeder.qis.net!btnet-peer!btnet-peer0!btnet-feed5!btnet!news.btopenworld.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.ascii-art:25986 On 22 Dec 2001 20:49:10 +0100, in alt.ascii-art, (Neil Franklin ) wrote: >drsquare writes: > >> On 21 Dec 2001 22:57:02 +0100, in alt.ascii-art, >> (Neil Franklin ) wrote: >> >drsquare writes: >> >> >What is "highlighted"? My terminal does not know such a thing. Do you >> >mean double bright mode,? Or bold mode? Or underlined? Or inverse >> >video mode? Or is that printed out with double strike mode? >> >> I assumed that most people would be viewing it in a program which normally >> displays black on white, and the letters look best white on black, so >> highlighting it reverses the colours, making it look right. > >Hint: with ASCII do not make assumptions about the viewers system. >Some can be very surprising. > >Even some modern systems have light on dark (like mine, green on >black). And some better modern systems when highlighting do not invert >(how ugly), but rather underlay an different background color, leaving >the foreground colour(s) unchanged (also like mine, black changes to >dark green, but I have also seen white background becoming pastel >yellow or light gray). I have also seen marked text color change to >yellow (on black) or blue/green (on white). And no doubt there exist >even more variants. > >So rather write "looks better in light on dark display". That is >neutral of the viewers system type, preferences and highlighting >display method. That's irrelevant. Light text on a dark background will make it look nice, irrelevant of colours. >> > `,---. `,---. `,---.---. >> > | | | | | | | >> > | -' | -' | -' -' >> > | >> > | >> > >> > t r n (Tauran = forest walker) Elf of Mirkwood >> > (my middle earth roleplaying character) >> >> Is that in some sort of mud? > >Roleplaying games (RPGs) predate MUD by quite a bit. Actually they are >the originals that MUDs were developed from. They are the pre-computer >form, where a group sits around an table, with paper forms (character >sheets) that describe the characters abilities and use many-sided dice >for random numbers to see if something worked and how well it did. Oh, I think I'll stick to muds. Shouldn't there be some vowels in that name also? .. .. . ' ' .' .' 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'..: : .' : .' : ''.'..: :..' : .' : : : '..' : : : : : .' .' .' .' ###### From: "CeeJay" Newsgroups: alt.ascii-art References: <6uvgf0nsnl.fsf@chonsp.franklin.ch> <3C244662.64B9B3BB@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: The Tengwar Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2001 00:47:17 +0100 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Lines: 22 Message-ID: <3c251b1f$0$46341$edfadb0f@dspool01.news.tele.dk> Organization: TDC Internet NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.243.165.226 X-Trace: 1009064735 dread02.news.tele.dk 46341 62.243.165.226 X-Complaints-To: abuse@post.tele.dk Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newscore.univie.ac.at!194.25.134.126.MISMATCH!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!news.tele.dk!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.ascii-art:26006 "Andrew Z Carpenter" wrote in message news:a02cub$cid$1@newsg2.svr.pol.co.uk... > > > "Veronica Karlsson" wrote in > > message news:3C244662.64B9B3BB@hotmail.com... > > > > ##### c ^ OO /\\\\ > > ##### | /|\ `^^^^^^^%-- '||` | \\\\ > > ####-[.]\ / \ " " \ ha ha ha dd /[.]-\\\| > > ### _| |_ \\| > > ### (_ http://www.ludd.luth.se/~vk/cgi/asciichat/ _)} == > > \ / A S C I I A R T C H A T # ||\ > > > > > Hey look, it's David and Joaquim! ;-) Yeah .. only drawn ugly :D ###### Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!not-for-mail From: Neil Franklin Newsgroups: alt.ascii-art Subject: Re: The Tengwar Date: 23 Dec 2001 16:58:18 +0100 Organization: My own Private Self Lines: 52 Message-ID: <6uk7veyllx.fsf@chonsp.franklin.ch> References: <6uvgf0nsnl.fsf@chonsp.franklin.ch> <6uk7vf9gsp.fsf@chonsp.franklin.ch> NNTP-Posting-Host: chonsp.franklin.ch X-Trace: chonsp.franklin.ch 1009123098 719 10.0.3.2 (23 Dec 2001 15:58:18 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news@chonsp.franklin.ch NNTP-Posting-Date: 23 Dec 2001 15:58:18 GMT X-Newsreader: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.ascii-art:26025 drsquare writes: > On 22 Dec 2001 20:49:10 +0100, in alt.ascii-art, > (Neil Franklin ) wrote: > > >drsquare writes: > > > >> > `,---. `,---. `,---.---. > >> > | | | | | | | > >> > | -' | -' | -' -' > >> > | > >> > | > >> > > >> > t r n (Tauran = forest walker) Elf of Mirkwood > >> > (my middle earth roleplaying character) > >> > >> Is that in some sort of mud? > > > >Roleplaying games (RPGs) predate MUD by quite a bit. Actually they are > >the originals that MUDs were developed from. They are the pre-computer > >form, where a group sits around an table, with paper forms (character > >sheets) that describe the characters abilities and use many-sided dice > >for random numbers to see if something worked and how well it did. > > Oh, I think I'll stick to muds. Shouldn't there be some vowels in that name > also? Vowels are facultative, and only needed when two words can be confused. Tolkien has cases of name inscriptions that are consonant-only, such as the Elendil (L ND L) inscription on his (Elendils) purported (empty) tomb in Unfinished Tales: ----- `,---.---. ----- .' | | | .' `._.' | -' -' `._.' | | And yes, in Sindarin that is pronounced as L D L (Eledil), but UT page 393 explicitely states (spoken by Eorl) "lambe, ando, lambe" as the writing, which requires Quenya pronounciation to be ND. This is surprising, as the name Elendil is Sindarin, like all Gondorian speach. Ef course Elendil is a famous name, which Tauran is not. So I am a lazy elf when it comes to writing. :-) -- Neil Franklin, neil@franklin.ch.remove http://neil.franklin.ch/ Hacker, Unix Guru, El Eng HTL/BSc, Sysadmin, Archer, Roleplayer - Intellectual Property is Intellectual Robbery ###### From: drsquare Newsgroups: alt.ascii-art Subject: Re: The Tengwar Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2001 19:39:21 +0000 (UTC) Organization: BT Openworld Lines: 60 Message-ID: <8u3k2uod68j51chfq95336nfccrv5j3qt6@4ax.com> References: <6uvgf0nsnl.fsf@chonsp.franklin.ch> <6uk7vf9gsp.fsf@chonsp.franklin.ch> <6uk7veyllx.fsf@chonsp.franklin.ch> NNTP-Posting-Host: host213-122-202-174.btinternet.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: paris.btinternet.com 1009395561 2372 213.122.202.174 (26 Dec 2001 19:39:21 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@paris.btinternet.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2001 19:39:21 +0000 (UTC) X-No-Archive: yes X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!diablo.theplanet.net!btnet-peer!btnet-peer0!btnet-feed5!btnet!news.btopenworld.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.ascii-art:26196 On 23 Dec 2001 16:58:18 +0100, in alt.ascii-art, (Neil Franklin ) wrote: >drsquare writes: > >> >> > `,---. `,---. `,---.---. >> >> > | | | | | | | >> >> > | -' | -' | -' -' >> >> > | >> >> > | >> >> > >> >> > t r n (Tauran = forest walker) Elf of Mirkwood >> >> > (my middle earth roleplaying character) > >> >Roleplaying games (RPGs) predate MUD by quite a bit. Actually they are >> >the originals that MUDs were developed from. They are the pre-computer >> >form, where a group sits around an table, with paper forms (character >> >sheets) that describe the characters abilities and use many-sided dice >> >for random numbers to see if something worked and how well it did. >> >> Oh, I think I'll stick to muds. Shouldn't there be some vowels in that name >> also? > >Vowels are facultative, and only needed when two words can be confused. When you only have consonents such as above, it really helps to have vowels. The word above could be read as "turn" or "torn" or "train". >Tolkien has cases of name inscriptions that are consonant-only, such >as the Elendil (L ND L) inscription on his (Elendils) purported (empty) >tomb in Unfinished Tales: > > ----- `,---.---. ----- > .' | | | .' > `._.' | -' -' `._.' > | > | ldl. Ladel? >And yes, in Sindarin that is pronounced as L D L (Eledil), but UT >page 393 explicitely states (spoken by Eorl) "lambe, ando, lambe" >as the writing, which requires Quenya pronounciation to be ND. This >is surprising, as the name Elendil is Sindarin, like all Gondorian >speach. > >Ef course Elendil is a famous name, which Tauran is not. So I am a >lazy elf when it comes to writing. :-) But what language is your name supposed to be in? Mine follows the Westron mode, so the rules are different. -- .. .. . ' ' .' .' ':''.':':'':':''.':''. : :'':':''.':''. : .'.' '..: : .' : .' : ''.'..: :..' : .' : : : '..' : : : : : .' .' .' .' ###### Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!not-for-mail From: Neil Franklin Newsgroups: alt.ascii-art Subject: Re: The Tengwar Date: 28 Dec 2001 00:24:10 +0100 Organization: My own Private Self Lines: 36 Message-ID: <6uy9job61x.fsf@chonsp.franklin.ch> References: <6uvgf0nsnl.fsf@chonsp.franklin.ch> <6uk7vf9gsp.fsf@chonsp.franklin.ch> <6uk7veyllx.fsf@chonsp.franklin.ch> <8u3k2uod68j51chfq95336nfccrv5j3qt6@4ax.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: chonsp.franklin.ch X-Trace: chonsp.franklin.ch 1009495450 983 10.0.3.2 (27 Dec 2001 23:24:10 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news@chonsp.franklin.ch NNTP-Posting-Date: 27 Dec 2001 23:24:10 GMT X-Newsreader: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.ascii-art:26244 drsquare writes: > On 23 Dec 2001 16:58:18 +0100, in alt.ascii-art, > (Neil Franklin ) wrote: > > >Tolkien has cases of name inscriptions that are consonant-only, such > >as the Elendil (L ND L) inscription on his (Elendils) purported (empty) > >tomb in Unfinished Tales: > > > > ----- `,---.---. ----- > > .' | | | .' > > `._.' | -' -' `._.' > > | > > | > > ldl. Ladel? > > >And yes, in Sindarin that is pronounced as L D L (Eledil), but UT > >page 393 explicitely states (spoken by Eorl) "lambe, ando, lambe" > >as the writing, which requires Quenya pronounciation to be ND. This > >is surprising, as the name Elendil is Sindarin, like all Gondorian > >speach. > > > >Ef course Elendil is a famous name, which Tauran is not. So I am a > >lazy elf when it comes to writing. :-) > > But what language is your name supposed to be in? Mine follows the Westron > mode, so the rules are different. Sindarin. And for that there are 2 rule sets. Argh! -- Neil Franklin, neil@franklin.ch.remove http://neil.franklin.ch/ Hacker, Unix Guru, El Eng HTL/BSc, Sysadmin, Archer, Roleplayer - Intellectual Property is Intellectual Robbery ###### From: drsquare Newsgroups: alt.ascii-art Subject: Re: The Tengwar Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2001 13:14:58 +0000 (UTC) Organization: BT Openworld Lines: 37 Message-ID: References: <6uvgf0nsnl.fsf@chonsp.franklin.ch> <6uk7vf9gsp.fsf@chonsp.franklin.ch> <6uk7veyllx.fsf@chonsp.franklin.ch> <8u3k2uod68j51chfq95336nfccrv5j3qt6@4ax.com> <6uy9job61x.fsf@chonsp.franklin.ch> NNTP-Posting-Host: host213-122-191-18.btinternet.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: helle.btinternet.com 1009545298 9585 213.122.191.18 (28 Dec 2001 13:14:58 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@helle.btinternet.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2001 13:14:58 +0000 (UTC) X-No-Archive: yes X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!diablo.theplanet.net!btnet-peer!btnet-peer0!btnet-feed5!btnet!news.btopenworld.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.ascii-art:26259 On 28 Dec 2001 00:24:10 +0100, in alt.ascii-art, (Neil Franklin ) wrote: >drsquare writes: > >> > ----- `,---.---. ----- >> > .' | | | .' >> > `._.' | -' -' `._.' >> > | >> > | >> >> ldl. Ladel? >> >> >And yes, in Sindarin that is pronounced as L D L (Eledil), but UT >> >page 393 explicitely states (spoken by Eorl) "lambe, ando, lambe" >> >as the writing, which requires Quenya pronounciation to be ND. This >> >is surprising, as the name Elendil is Sindarin, like all Gondorian >> >speach. >> > >> >Ef course Elendil is a famous name, which Tauran is not. So I am a >> >lazy elf when it comes to writing. :-) >> >> But what language is your name supposed to be in? Mine follows the Westron >> mode, so the rules are different. > >Sindarin. And for that there are 2 rule sets. Argh! Oh, so would that be the common mode or the mode of Beleriand? -- .. .. .' ' ' .' ' ':''.':':'':':''.':''. : :'':':''.':''. : .'.' '..: : .' : .' : ''.'..: :..' : .' : : : '..' : : : : : .' .' .' .' ###### Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!not-for-mail From: Neil Franklin Newsgroups: alt.ascii-art Subject: Re: The Tengwar Date: 28 Dec 2001 21:50:08 +0100 Organization: My own Private Self Lines: 26 Message-ID: <6uitar133z.fsf@chonsp.franklin.ch> References: <6uvgf0nsnl.fsf@chonsp.franklin.ch> <6uk7vf9gsp.fsf@chonsp.franklin.ch> <6uk7veyllx.fsf@chonsp.franklin.ch> <8u3k2uod68j51chfq95336nfccrv5j3qt6@4ax.com> <6uy9job61x.fsf@chonsp.franklin.ch> NNTP-Posting-Host: chonsp.franklin.ch X-Trace: chonsp.franklin.ch 1009572608 1012 10.0.3.2 (28 Dec 2001 20:50:08 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news@chonsp.franklin.ch NNTP-Posting-Date: 28 Dec 2001 20:50:08 GMT X-Newsreader: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.ascii-art:26276 drsquare writes: > On 28 Dec 2001 00:24:10 +0100, in alt.ascii-art, > (Neil Franklin ) wrote: > > >drsquare writes: > > > >> >Ef course Elendil is a famous name, which Tauran is not. So I am a > >> >lazy elf when it comes to writing. :-) > >> > >> But what language is your name supposed to be in? Mine follows the Westron > >> mode, so the rules are different. > > > >Sindarin. And for that there are 2 rule sets. Argh! > > Oh, so would that be the common mode or the mode of Beleriand? As they only differ in the vowels and I have not written any of them, it works for both. If I wanted vowels I would have to decide. Lazy elf, you see. :-) -- Neil Franklin, neil@franklin.ch.remove http://neil.franklin.ch/ Hacker, Unix Guru, El Eng HTL/BSc, Sysadmin, Archer, Roleplayer - Intellectual Property is Intellectual Robbery