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Q$..,,,, 'Q,,,////,,,,KD/&&Q *&&,,,/// $,,,/////KKD&///'&$.Q&&&.....,/ 'Q,,,//////&&&///&&&Q//,,,,,/// 'Q,,,,///////////&&&&$&&&&&&&&& '*,,,,///////////&&&$QQ$**$QQ* 1,,,,///////////&&&&1 A$,,,&&/////////&&&$ Q&&&//////////&&&&Q A&&//////////&&&&Q* $&///////////&&&$' *&///////////&&&Q ###### From: frogger@mo.test.org (user) Newsgroups: alt.ascii-art Subject: Re: [pic] Nude from before 1980 Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2001 09:32:15 -0000 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: References: User-Agent: slrn/0.9.6.3 (Linux) X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 93 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!sn-xit-01!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!frogger Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.ascii-art:17285 On Thu, 08 Feb 2001 08:51:39 -0000, comet wrote: >The unix "banner" program was written to take advantage >of the long continuous printouts from those old printers. > > Here is a sample output of the Unix "banner" program called using this: banner -w 80 Hello ## ### ## ### ## ### ####################################################### ####################################################### ####################################################### ####################################################### ####################################################### ## ## ### ## ## ### ## ## ### ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ### ## ## ### ####################################################### ####################################################### ####################################################### ####################################################### ####################################################### ####################################################### ## ### ## ### ########## ################# ###################### ######################## ############################ ##### ## ##### #### ## #### ### ## ### ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ### ### ## #### ## ## ##### ### ############### ### ############## ### ############ ########## ###### ## ### ## ### ####################################################### ####################################################### ####################################################### ####################################################### ####################################################### ## ## ### ## ### ####################################################### ####################################################### ####################################################### ####################################################### ####################################################### ## ########## ################# ###################### ######################## ############################ ##### ##### #### #### ### ### ## ## ## ## ## ## ### ### ### ### #### #### ######## ######## ############################ ######################## #################### ################# ###### From: elleybeanNOSPAM@hotmail.com (Danielle) Newsgroups: alt.ascii-art Subject: Re: [pic] Nude from before 1980 Message-ID: <3a837097.6263644@n3.idirect.com> References: X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Lines: 7 Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2001 01:33:12 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.154.32.109 X-Complaints-To: abuse@look.ca X-Trace: quark.idirect.com 981682392 216.154.32.109 (Thu, 08 Feb 2001 20:33:12 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2001 20:33:12 EST Organization: Internet Look Communications - http://www.look.ca Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news.tesion.net!news.belwue.de!news-stu1.dfn.de!news-mue1.dfn.de!news-nue1.dfn.de!uni-erlangen.de!newsfeed.germany.net!news.tele.dk!199.60.229.5!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!brick.direct.ca!quark.idirect.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.ascii-art:17272 On Thu, 08 Feb 2001 08:51:39 -0000, comet@mo.test.org (comet) wrote: -The unix "banner" program was written to take advantage -of the long continuous printouts from those old printers. More tractor feed goodies are at http://asciipr0n.com/pr0n/pinups.html ###### From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?MiKe=AE?= Newsgroups: alt.ascii-art Subject: Re: [pic] Nude from before 1980 Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 04:01:20 +0100 Organization: Les Amoureux du Beau Chat Lines: 53 Message-ID: <3A84AEF7.C379A08B@lascaux.cave> References: Reply-To: =?iso-8859-1?Q?P=EAcheur=40le=2Eouebe?= NNTP-Posting-Host: d1.56.9b.b8 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Server-Date: 10 Feb 2001 03:00:38 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [fr] (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: fr-FR,en-US,de-DE,gd,eu,pdf Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.mindspring.net.MISMATCH!news.mindspring.net!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.ascii-art:17274 comet a =E9crit : > = > The following picture was hand copied from an old > printout from a Univac 1100 computer in 1980. > = > Old mainframe printers made each page with 132 columns and 66 lines per= page. > = > And the pages were attached to each other, > bottom of one page to the top of the next, > so that the output was one long page. > = > The unix "banner" program was written to take advantage > of the long continuous printouts from those old printers. > = Great pic ! But as continuous forms are still in use - so are those *old* tractor feed printers . Reminds me of the letter to the Mensa bulletin way back when (1974) when there was discussion over USA changing to decimal (metric) measure in lieu of english measure suggesting that we change instead to hexadecimal because ALL computers run on hex . (U.S. military had already converted to metric for NATO) At that time VIRTUALLY all mainframes, the few that were around, had 4 bit processors and ran on octal - not hex ? NOPE - two types of computers - slow subject to error analog AND -------- digital (binary) - therefore ------- virtually ALL computers run on BINARY only . We humans merely use HEX(8 bit) or OCTAL because they conform to powers of 2 (binary) easy for computers whereas decimal conforms to powers of ten - easy for us humans . Therefore, a very popular DIP (Dual Inline Package) was a BCD converter that input Binary Code and output Decimal . Calculators today are complete on one tiny chip . The first scientific calculator I had contained 14 DIPS including the BCD converter for it's fluorescent display . My first computer was 32 bit long ago before others upgraded now 128 bit computers are around - I vote we stick with HEX (8 bit) for computer languages even though virtually all PC's have been 32 bit for a long time now . MiKe=AE ###### Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!not-for-mail From: Neil Franklin Newsgroups: alt.ascii-art Subject: Re: [pic] Nude from before 1980 Date: 10 Feb 2001 14:26:25 +0100 Organization: My own Private Self Lines: 77 Message-ID: <6usnlmlldq.fsf@chonsp.franklin.ch> References: <3A84AEF7.C379A08B@lascaux.cave> NNTP-Posting-Host: chonsp.franklin.ch X-Trace: chonsp.franklin.ch 981811585 970 10.0.3.2 (10 Feb 2001 13:26:25 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news@chonsp.franklin.ch NNTP-Posting-Date: 10 Feb 2001 13:26:25 GMT X-Newsreader: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.ascii-art:17286 MiKeŽ writes: > > And the pages were attached to each other, > > bottom of one page to the top of the next, > > so that the output was one long page. > > > The unix "banner" program was written to take advantage > > of the long continuous printouts from those old printers. > > But as continuous forms are still in use - so are > those *old* tractor feed printers . Jup. > english measure suggesting that we change instead > to hexadecimal because ALL computers run on hex . Binary, as you say. > At that time VIRTUALLY all mainframes, the few that > were around, had 4 bit processors and ran on octal - not hex ? 4 bit processors??? The only use of them I know are pocket calculators and simple control systems (say traffic lights) up to 10 years ago. Mainframes are either: - 36bit (IBM 709 series (1950/60s), DEC PDP-10 series (1960s/70s), GE 6xx series (1960s up to today), ...) or - 32bit (IBM 360 series (late 1960s to today), DEC VAX series (late 1970s to 1990s), ...). And don't forget: If you are not playing with 36 bits you have not got a full DEC. > virtually ALL computers run on BINARY only . > We humans merely use HEX(8 bit) or OCTAL because they conform to Hex is 4 bits and usually used on 32bit machines (8 characters/word): 02 46 8A CE = 00000010 01000110 10001010 11001110 13 57 9B DF = 00010011 01010111 10011011 11011111 Octal is 3 bits and usually used on 36bit machines (12 characters/word): 01 23 45 67 01 23 = 000001 010011 100101 110111 000001 010011 > Therefore, a very popular DIP (Dual Inline Package) was > a BCD converter that input Binary Code and output Decimal . Or even full hex. > My first computer was 32 bit long ago before others upgraded I started with 8bit, an Z80 running at 4MHz (but using up 4 times as many clock states as todays processors, so it is equvalent to an 1MHz processor today would be). Today there is about 5 times that computer power in an TV remote control. > now 128 bit computers are around Where? The best I have seen (und I use such daily) are 64bit. Note: I mean real 64bit vs 128bit architecture. Actual memory width these 64bit machines are 256bit, and even 32bit mainframes have up to 2048bit memory width. -- Neil Franklin, neil@franklin.ch.remove http://neil.franklin.ch/ Hacker, Unix Guru, El Eng FH/BSc, Sysadmin, Roleplayer, LARPer, Mystic ###### From: Faux_Pseudo@home.com (Faux_Pseudo) Newsgroups: alt.ascii-art Subject: Re: [pic] Nude from before 1980 References: <3A84AEF7.C379A08B@lascaux.cave> <6usnlmlldq.fsf@chonsp.franklin.ch> Reply-To: Faux_Pseudo@yahoo.com User-Agent: slrn/0.9.6.3 (Linux) Lines: 14 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2001 11:45:48 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.177.56.10 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news1.rdc1.sdca.home.com 981891948 24.177.56.10 (Sun, 11 Feb 2001 03:45:48 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2001 03:45:48 PST Organization: Excite@Home - The Leader in Broadband http://home.com/faster Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!enews.sgi.com!newshub2.rdc1.sfba.home.com!news.home.com!news1.rdc1.sdca.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.ascii-art:17308 --(Once apon a time, in alt.ascii-art,)-- --(Neil Franklin said it like only they can.)-- > >4 bit processors??? The only use of them I know are pocket calculators >and simple control systems (say traffic lights) up to 10 years ago. > well the quantim comps went from 1 bit to 7 bit pritty quickly but i dont know if they stoped at 4 bit on the way -- --(UIN=66618055)-- --(tty1@faux.local_04:45_/home/faux)-- cat .sig GUI's are for slackers. ibpconf.sh 6 on freshmeat.net The easiest way to customize the command line. By Faux_Pseudo ###### From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?MiKe=AE?= Newsgroups: alt.ascii-art Subject: Re: [pic] Nude from before 1980 Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2001 13:08:31 +0100 Organization: Les Amoureux du Beau Chat Lines: 120 Message-ID: <3A8680B9.FBDEB8C7@lascaux.cave> References: <3A84AEF7.C379A08B@lascaux.cave> <6usnlmlldq.fsf@chonsp.franklin.ch> Reply-To: =?iso-8859-1?Q?P=EAcheur=40le=2Eouebe?= NNTP-Posting-Host: d1.56.9e.94 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Server-Date: 11 Feb 2001 12:06:07 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [fr] (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: fr-FR,en-US,de-DE,gd,eu,pdf Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news.tesion.net!news.belwue.de!informatik.tu-muenchen.de!lmu.de!uni-erlangen.de!newsfeeds.belnet.be!news.belnet.be!xfer13.netnews.com!netnews.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newshub2.home.com!news.home.com!news.mindspring.net!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.ascii-art:17299 Neil Franklin a *crit : > = > MiKe=AE writes: > = > > > And the pages were attached to each other, > > > bottom of one page to the top of the next, > > > so that the output was one long page. > > > > > The unix "banner" program was written to take advantage > > > of the long continuous printouts from those old printers. > > > > But as continuous forms are still in use - so are > > those *old* tractor feed printers . > = > Jup. > = > > english measure suggesting that we change instead > > to hexadecimal because ALL computers run on hex . > = > Binary, as you say. > = > > At that time VIRTUALLY all mainframes, the few that > > were around, had 4 bit processors and ran on octal - not hex ? > = > 4 bit processors??? The only use of them I know are pocket calculators > and simple control systems (say traffic lights) up to 10 years ago. > = > Mainframes are either: > - 36bit (IBM 709 series (1950/60s), DEC PDP-10 series (1960s/70s), GE 6= xx > series (1960s up to today), ...) or > - 32bit (IBM 360 series (late 1960s to today), DEC VAX series (late 197= 0s > to 1990s), ...). > = > And don't forget: > = > If you are not playing with 36 bits you have not got a full DEC. > = > > virtually ALL computers run on BINARY only . > > We humans merely use HEX(8 bit) or OCTAL because they conform to > = > Hex is 4 bits and usually used on 32bit machines (8 characters/word): > = > 02 46 8A CE =3D 00000010 01000110 10001010 11001110 > 13 57 9B DF =3D 00010011 01010111 10011011 11011111 > = > Octal is 3 bits and usually used on 36bit machines (12 characters/word)= : > = > 01 23 45 67 01 23 =3D 000001 010011 100101 110111 000001 010011 > = > > Therefore, a very popular DIP (Dual Inline Package) was > > a BCD converter that input Binary Code and output Decimal . > = > Or even full hex. > = > > My first computer was 32 bit long ago before others upgraded > = > I started with 8bit, an Z80 running at 4MHz (but using up 4 times as > many clock states as todays processors, so it is equvalent to an 1MHz > processor today would be). Today there is about 5 times that computer > power in an TV remote control. > = > > now 128 bit computers are around > = > Where? The best I have seen (und I use such daily) are 64bit. > = > Note: I mean real 64bit vs 128bit architecture. Actual memory width > these 64bit machines are 256bit, and even 32bit mainframes have up > to 2048bit memory width. > = > -- > Neil Franklin, neil@franklin.ch.remove http://neil.franklin.ch/ > Hacker, Unix Guru, El Eng FH/BSc, Sysadmin, Roleplayer, LARPer, Mystic Thanks for the info - and corrections . I mostly worked with programming - very little with hardware . I know the latest mainframe when I was in school was 48K std = expandable to a whopping 64K max. Three 1/2 inch tape drives - program, data in, data out , with program in 16K max. chunks . The only z80 I owned was a small Sinclair that could scroll a full screen of color faster than the first ibm i used . In programmin an RS MC-10 in msbasic1.0 using boolean values as multipliers made a calendar program print a calendar as fast as I can do it today . Pascal for a pc worked great using case statements and poking data into the non-user registers of a TI59 printed fast. PCs today with the greater capacity run better and there is no concern for memory . Lower level programming is what I like best, though , as I did when experimenting with the TI59 and the MC-10 . MiKe=AE ###### From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?MiKe=AE?= Newsgroups: alt.ascii-art Subject: Re: [pic] Nude from before 1980 Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2001 13:33:39 +0100 Organization: Les Amoureux du Beau Chat Lines: 38 Message-ID: <3A86869B.6EBE0A55@lascaux.cave> References: <3A84AEF7.C379A08B@lascaux.cave> <6usnlmlldq.fsf@chonsp.franklin.ch> Reply-To: =?iso-8859-1?Q?P=EAcheur=40le=2Eouebe?= NNTP-Posting-Host: d1.56.9e.94 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Server-Date: 11 Feb 2001 12:33:33 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [fr] (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: fr-FR,en-US,de-DE,gd,eu,pdf Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.mindspring.net!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.ascii-art:17297 Faux_Pseudo a =E9crit : > = > --(Once apon a time, in alt.ascii-art,)-- > --(Neil Franklin said it like only they can.)-- > > > >4 bit processors??? The only use of them I know are pocket calculators= > >and simple control systems (say traffic lights) up to 10 years ago. > > > well the quantim comps went from 1 bit to 7 bit pritty quickly but > i dont know if they stoped at 4 bit on the way > = > -- > --(UIN=3D66618055)-- > --(tty1@faux.local_04:45_/home/faux)-- cat .sig > GUI's are for slackers. ibpconf.sh 6 on freshmeat.net > The easiest way to customize the command line. By Faux_Pseudo RS's first 8 bit buss was 4bit plus 4bit cpu not an 8 bit cpu, late 70's. I was speaking of today when I mentioned more bit cpu's and the distant past for 4 bit although early 80's was when I had the sinclair but it was a z80 when I could buy the CPU for $100 and three years later could buy a z80 for $9.95 . I wrote algol for a burroughs 2200 (1962 era) - don't know its buss size or speed -don't know if it was 8 bit or not . Fortran for a spectra 360, the 48K - max 64K latest thing computer for its' day - 1963-64 time slot . I only bought the mc-10 to experiment - cost me ten dollars U.S. on sale because it was obsolete - 2mhz and 20Kram max, I think . MiKe=AE