From: JRO Newsgroups: alt.ascii-art Subject: So, You Want To Make Text Art? Date: Fri, 24 Dec 1999 15:52:21 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 643 Message-ID: <8404ni$bve$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.226.27.60 X-Article-Creation-Date: Fri Dec 24 15:52:21 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; Windows 95; DigExt) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x30.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 216.226.27.60 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDtwelfwisp Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!feed2.news.luth.se!luth.se!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ___ _ _ _ _ _ / _`\ ( ) ( ) ( ) _ ( ) ( )_ | (_ (_) _ \`\_/'/__ _ _ | | ( ) | | _ _ ___ | ,_) `\__ \ /'_`\ `\ /' _ \( ) ( ) | | | | | |/'_` )' _ `\ | (~)_) ( (_) )_ | ( (_) ) (_) | | (_/ \_) ( (_| | ( ) | |_ \____)\___/( ) (_)\___/ \___/ `\__/^\__/'\__,_|_)_(_)\__) )/ _____ _ (_ _) /'\_/`\ (_) | | _ | | _ _| |/') __ | |/'_`\ | /V\ |/'_" ) , < /'__`\ | ( (_) ) | | | ( (_| | |\`\( ___/ (_)\___/ (_) (_)\__,_|_) (_)\____) _____ _ _____ _ ___ (_ _) (_)_ ( _ ) (_)_ /__ \ | | __ | ,_) ___ | (_) |_ __| ,_|(_) ) | | |/'__`(`\/') | (___)| _ ( "__) | / / | ( ___/> <| |_ | | | | | | |_ |_| (_)\____|_/\_)\__) (_) (_|_) `\__) (_)... ...That's NO problem, believe me. If you can't paint like Remington, Picasso, or Chester Scott, or sketch a square circle with a pencil, or even smear "wash me" on a dirty windshield with your finger, then text art is for you! Truth is, just about anybody can make a text picutre; so don't say that you CAN'T. You can. It's easy! It really is. It doesn't take a lot of practice, and it doesn't take a lot of "artistic ability". I can have you making your own, unique text-art, in no time at all. Hi, I'm Jonathon R. Oglesbee, and I'll show you some of the simple "mysteries" of text-art. Just don't call me an "artist". I'm not. At best, I have been a hack cartoonist in the past... among other things. I make cartoons in ascii (pronounced ask-ee... or better yet, ass-key) for fun. I started doing it as a lark, but so many people took an interest, that the response I recieved left me speechless. I've stuck with it, in present-day computer form, for a few long, lineal, loafing, lolly- gagging years - (words with an "L", this time), and derived many hours of entertainment from cartooning gags, using nothing but text-art. I'm not an are-teest. But maybe you WILL be. So, if you are still interested, read on.      ____________________________________________________     |____________________________________________________|     | __     __   ____   ___ ||  ____    ____     _  __  |     ||  |__ |--|_| || |_|   |||_|**|*|__|+|+||___| ||  | |     ||==|^^||--| |=||=| |=*=||| |~~|~|  |=|=|| | |~||==| |     ||  |##||  | | || | |JRO|||-|  | |==|+|+||-|-|~||__| |     ||__|__||__|_|_||_|_|___|||_|__|_|__|_|_||_|_|_||__|_|     ||_______________________||__________________________|     | _____________________  ||      __   __  _  __    _ |     ||=|=|=|=|=|=|=|=|=|=|=| __..\/ |  |_|  ||#||==|  / /|     || | | | | | | | | | | |/\ \  \\|++|=|  || ||==| / / |     ||_|_|_|_|_|_|_|_|_|_|_/_/\_.___\__|_|__||_||__|/_/__|     |____________________ /\~()/()~//\ __________________|     | __   __    _  _     \_  (_ .  _/ _     _     _____|     ||~~|_|..|__| || |_ _   \ //\\ /  |=|_ /) |___| | | |     ||--|+|^^|==|1||2| | |__/\ __ /\__| |(\/((\ +|+|=|=|=|     ||__|_|__|__|_||_|_| /  \ \  / /  \_|_\___/|_|_|_|_|_|     |_________________ _/    \/\/\/    \_ /   /__________|     | _____   _   __  |/      \../      \/   /   __   ___|     ||_____|_| |_|##|_||   |   \/ __\       /=|_|++|_|-|||     ||______||=|#|--| |\   \   o     \_____/  |~|  | | |||     ||______||_|_|__|_|_\   \  o     | |_|_|__|_|__|_|_|||     |_________ __________\___\_______|____________ ______|     |__    _  /    ________     ______           /| _ _ _|     |\ \  |=|/   //    /| //   /  /  / |        / ||%|%|%|     | \/\ |*/   //____// //   /__/__/ (_)      /  ||=|=|=|   __|  \/\|/   /(____|/ //                    /  /||~|~|~|__     |___\_/   /________//   ________         /  / ||_|_|_|     |___ /   (|________/   |\_______\       /  /| |______|         /                  \|________)     /  / | | First, you need to get ready. For that, you are going to need very little. Since you're probably reading this on-line, we will assume that you have a computer, with a keyboard at your disposal, and so we can dispense with the typewriter lesson (re- member typewriters?). Besides a keyboard, you will also need a monitor, and a simple text-editing program or word-processor. The simpler, the better. I generally use Windows Notepad, myself. If you are using something else, then I'd best mention a word or two about fonts. "Fonts" are your character, or letter sets. You will need to "select" a font that will work well to make your text pictures with. A mono-spaced font is really the only thing to use. Fixedsys, Courier New, Topaz New, Lucinda Console - these are all mono-spaced fonts. That means that each character takes up the same amount of space. A font such as Garamond, Arial, or just plain Courier doesn't. If you make a picture using that kind of font, then it will appear skewed on any system that isn't displaying the same font you used to make the picture. If you use a mono-spaced font, you won't have these kinds of problems. So, if you are going to use a text-editor that allows you to pick your font, pick one that will work! If you're using something like Windows Notepad, it likely already uses a mono-spaced font, and you won't have to worry about this. That's the main thing you need to know about fonts, but I better mention one other tip you'll need to know. That's about which letters and numbers are the good ones to use, for making ascii text-art. It's best to just stick to those characters you probably see, right there on the keys of your keyboard. There are some other interesting characters, often called "alt" or "extended" characters, which are usually made by holding down the "alt" key and typing in a number. There are some really neat ones, but it's best if you steer away from those things. Now we'll begin, with a simple, step-by-step tutorial of how to make a castle. Maybe you have seen some neat text pictures of castles or buildings, and been impressed by them. Well, let's just see about that... | and _ <---- those are two useless-looking characters on your keyboard, aren't they? Here's a thing or two you can do with them. Let's make some of those bottom-line things, three spaces apart... _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ <---- they just don't look like much, do they? Well, let's make some |'s, with _'s between every other one... |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| <----- looks kind of like... nothing, huh? Now, let's put the two separate lines together, like this.... _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| | <--- it looks a little like a parapet. Next, let's continue with the |'s and _'s, on the third line, but let's add an extra _ between our |'s. One | and then two _'s, over and over... _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| | |__|__|__|__|__|__|__|__|__|__|__|__| <--- it IS starting to look like something... just a little bit. Continue this, but offset the |'s on at least every other line, so all your "blocks" aren't lined up the same. I'm certain you can see how I do this... _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| | |__|__|__|__|__|__|__|__|__|__|__|__| <---- keep going... |_|__|__|__|__|__|__|__|__|__|__|__|| _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| | |__|__|__|__|__|__|__|__|__|__|__|__| <---- and keep going... |_|__|__|__|__|__|__|__|__|__|__|__|| |__|__|__|__|__|__|__|__|__|__|__|__| _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| | |__|__|__|__|__|__|__|__|__|__|__|__| <---- And now look! |_|__|__|__|__|__|__|__|__|__|__|__|| |__|__|__|__|__|__|__|__|__|__|__|__| ||__|__|__|__|__|__|__|__|__|__|__|_| |__|__|__|__|__|__|__|__|__|__|__|__| |_|__|__|__|__|__|__|__|__|__|__|__|| You could easily keep going, until you created the Great Wall of China. If I were you, though, I'd stop before I made 4,000 miles of this. Why not just settle for a simple castle wall? Of course, you don't have to make your blocks just like I did mine. You could make them longer, shorter, twice as big, or even completely different, by doing some things like this: ________ _________ ___________________ [__]__]__] |____|____| | | | | | _____ _________ _____ |____|____|____|____| |_|_|_| {_}_}_}_} _} /_\_/_\ ... That's all up to you. I'm sure you've got blocks all figured out by now, anyway. Make your own, using whatever dimensions you like. Or use the same ones I have; I won't mind. Using nothing more than the two characters we started with, you should have no trouble making a basic castle wall, like this one: _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ | |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| | |__|__|__|__|__|__|__|__|__|__|__|__|__|__| ||__|__|__|__|__|__|__|__|__|__|__|__|__|_| |__|__|__|__|__|| ||__|__|__|__|__| |_|__|__|__|__||| ||_|__|__|__|__|| |__|__|__|__|__|| ||__|__|__|__|__| ...As you can see, that entire castle is constucted using nothing more than the "_" and "|" characters. Soon, you'll be making much better ones than this, but I'm going to use it for demonstration purposes, okay? Can you see how I have made the door? It was really no trick. If you're supple- minded, you could just count over to where you want your doorway, and remember not to brick it in. If you're lazy, like me, you could just put your cursor about where you want the right edge of your door to be, and backspace to where you want the left edge of your door, and then start making it. Easy. That door looks a little plain, though. Still using only the same two characters, we'll just spruce it up a little: _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ | |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| | |__|__|__|__|__|__|__|__|__|__|__|__|__|__| ||__|__|__|__|__|__|__|__|__|__|__|__|__|_| |__|__|__|__|__||_ | _||__|__|__|__|__| |_|__|__|__|__|||_ ||| _||_|__|__|__|__|| |__|__|__|__|__||____|____||__|__|__|__|__| ...There you go. You have now mastered the art of mediveal construction, using text from your keyboard. Next, let's see about making a little fancier castle, and put it into a complete picture.... Well, here is another castle that I started for a cartoon I never finished. It's very similar to the one above, and since it's not doing anything else, I'll just use it here. Take a look: | | /^\ /^^^\ /^^^^^\ /_______\ | ___ | | | | | | |___| | | | _ _ _ _ | _ _ | _ _ _ _ | |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| | |__|__|__|__|__|__|__|__|__|__|__|__|_| |_|__|__|__|__|__|__|__|__|__|__|__|__| |__|__|__|__|__|__|__|__|__|__|__|__|_| |_|__|__|__|__|__|...|_|__|__|__|__|__| |__|__|__|__|__|." ".|_|__|__|__|__|| |_|__|__|__|__||| ||__|__|__|__|__| ||__|__|__|__|_|| ||_|__|__|__|__|| |__|__|__|__|__||_____||__|__|__|__|__| ...I never really finished this picture, as you can see. We'll take care of that, but first, I want you to notice that the additional characters I have used in this castle: / \ ^ . " Find them on your keyboard, and get ready to use 'em. Now, you might think that curve above the door is simple. It is. It's made on two lines, like this: line 1 ... three periods line 2 ." ". a period and a quotation mark, followed by three spaces, and then a quotation mark and another period. Together, lines 1+2 look like this: ... ." ". ... a simple arch. Let's finish this picture, now... |>>>> | / \ / \ / \ /_______\ |__|_|__| |_| |_| |_|___|_| |__|__|_| _ _ _ _ |_|__|__| _ _ _ _ | |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| | |__|__|__|__|__|__|__|__|__|__|__|__|_| |_|__|__|__|__|__|__|__|__|__|__|__|__| |__|__|__|__|__|__|__|__|__|__|__|__|_| |_|__|__|__|__|__|...|_|__|__|__|__|__| |__|__|__|__|__|." | ".|_|__|__|__|__|| |_|__|__|__|__||| | ||__|__|__|__|__| ||__|__|__|__|_|| | ||_|__|__|__|__|| |__|__|__|__|__||__|__||__|__|__|__|__| All I have done here, is brick in the tower, add a midline to the door, and add a little flag at the top. I didn't really care for the "shingles" I had on the roof, so I deleted them. If you liked them, you can keep them in, of course. That "flag" looks cute, but it is really nothing except the < character... Oh my, my; I mean the > character, entered a few times, until it looks like a flag. Next, let's add a line to give it a little dimension, just like with a drawn picture on a sketchpad. We won't really need anything except the "_" character again.... |>>>> | / \ / \ / \ /_______\ |__|_|__| |_| |_| |_|___|_| |__|__|_| _ _ _ _ |_|__|__| _ _ _ _ | |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| | |__|__|__|__|__|__|__|__|__|__|__|__|_| |_|__|__|__|__|__|__|__|__|__|__|__|__| |__|__|__|__|__|__|__|__|__|__|__|__|_| _________ |_|__|__|__|__|__|...|_|__|__|__|__|__| _____________ |__|__|__|__|__|." | ".|_|__|__|__|__|| |_|__|__|__|__||| | ||__|__|__|__|__| |__|__|__|__|__|| | ||_|__|__|__|__|| |_|__|__|__|__|||__|__||__|__|__|__|__| That's much better, isn't it? But this picture still lacks an element or two... I think what this picture really needs, is a tree or two. Trees are really simple to make. We will look at two easy ones, made with the characters: / | \ @ And here they are: @@@@@@ /\ @@@@@@@@@ //\\ @@@@@@@@@@ ///\\\ @@@@@@@@@ ////\\\\ @@@@@@ /////\\\\\ | | || | | Pretty simple to make an evergreen and a deciduous tree, isn't it? I could have made some fancier ones, but I will leave that for your imagination to come up with. Anyway, let's add these to the picture.... |>>>> | / \ / \ / \ /_______\ |__|_|__| |_| |_| |_|___|_| |__|__|_| /\ _ _ _ _ |_|__|__| _ _ _ _ //\\ | |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| | @@@@@@ ///\\\ |__|__|__|__|__|__|__|__|__|__|__|__|_| @@@@@@@@@ ////\\\\ |_|__|__|__|__|__|__|__|__|__|__|__|__| @@@@@@@@@@ /////\\\\\|__|__|__|__|__|__|__|__|__|__|__|__|_| @@@@@@@@@ ___||___ |_|__|__|__|__|__|...|_|__|__|__|__|__| _ @@@@@@ ____ |__|__|__|__|__|." | ".|_|__|__|__|__|| | | |_|__|__|__|__||| | ||__|__|__|__|__| | | |__|__|__|__|__|| | ||_|__|__|__|__|| |_|__|__|__|__|||__|__||__|__|__|__|__| That still doesn't look like quite enough foliage to me, so let's look at some ways to make some flowers and things... @ \|/ <---- nothing new here, is there? % \|/ <------ I didn't do anything here, except subtitute a percent character. Now, let's add 'em in quantity.... |>>>> | / \ / \ / \ /_______\ |__|_|__| |_| |_| |_|___|_| |__|__|_| /\ _ _ _ _ |_|__|__| _ _ _ _ //\\ | |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| | @@@@@@ ///\\\ |__|__|__|__|__|__|__|__|__|__|__|__|_| @@@@@@@@@ ////\\\\ |_|__|__|__|__|__|__|__|__|__|__|__|__| @@@@@@@@@@ /////\\\\\|__|__|__|__|__|__|__|__|__|__|__|__|_| @@@@@@@@@ ___||___ |_|__|__|__|__|__|...|_|__|__|__|__|__| _ @@@@@@ ____ |__|__|__|__|__|." | ".||__|__|__|__|_| | | @ @ @ |_|__|__|__|__||| | ||_|__|__|__|__|| % | %| % \|/\|/\|/|_@|__@__|_@|__|| | |||__|_%_|_%_|_%| \|/ \|/\|/ @ @ @ |\|/_\|/_|\|/__||__|__||__|_\|/_\|/|\|/ % % % \|/ \|/\|/ Notice that I put some of the flowers directly "in front" of our castle. I knew where I wanted them to go, placed the cursor there, backspaced, and entered the new character I wanted to use - simple. If it had looked misplaced, well... that's a lot easier to fix, than going back and erasing a "real" line on a piece of paper, or finding some way to incorporate a mistake into an actual painting. About the only "trick" you see me doing in this picture, is with the background. I have intentionally left out a space between the background line, and the castle and tree element. This preserves the perspective of the text picture, by keeping the background line from running into the foreground elements, which may confuse the eye into thinking they are all connected. With a text picture, this can often be a problem. Some text artists don't do this, because they may have other ways of keeping the perspective constant. Then again, some just forget, but don't tell them I said so. This picture looks almost done, but I think it needs a road up to the front door... |>>>> | / \ / \ / \ /_______\ |__|_|__| |_| |_| |_|___|_| |__|__|_| /\ _ _ _ _ |_|__|__| _ _ _ _ //\\ | |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| | @@@@@@ ///\\\ |__|__|__|__|__|__|__|__|__|__|__|__|_| @@@@@@@@@ ////\\\\ |_|__|__|__|__|__|__|__|__|__|__|__|__| @@@@@@@@@@ /////\\\\\|__|__|__|__|__|__|__|__|__|__|__|__|_| @@@@@@@@@ ___||___ |_|__|__|__|__|__|...|_|__|__|__|__|__| _ @@@@@@ ____ |__|__|__|__|__|." | ".||__|__|__|__|_| | | @ @ @ |_|__|__|__|__||| | ||_|__|__|__|__|| % | %| % \|/\|/\|/|_@|__@__|_@|__|| | |||__|_%_|_%_|_%| \|/ \|/\|/ @ @ @ |\|/_\|/_|\|/__||__|__||__|_\|/_\|/|\|/ % % % \|/\|/\|/ .' '. \|/ \|/\|/ .' '. .' '. .' '. ...Nothing more than periods and appostrophes were used to make that road, by using an ever-widening space between them on the following lines. Hey, how about a cloud or two?... ________ _( ( __ )_ __( __ ) __) (____ ( _) (_____) Parenthesis and the bottom-line character make good, easy clouds. Let's put some in the picture... ________ __ _( ( __ )_ _(( )_ __( __ ) __) __( ) ) (____ ( _) (_ ( _ __ )_ (_____) _( __ __) (__(_ ( _) |>>>> (___) | / \ / \ / \ /_______\ |__|_|__| |_| |_| |_|___|_| |__|__|_| /\ _ _ _ _ |_|__|__| _ _ _ _ //\\ | |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| | @@@@@@ ///\\\ |__|__|__|__|__|__|__|__|__|__|__|__|_| @@@@@@@@@ ////\\\\ |_|__|__|__|__|__|__|__|__|__|__|__|__| @@@@@@@@@@ /////\\\\\|__|__|__|__|__|__|__|__|__|__|__|__|_| @@@@@@@@@ ___||___ |_|__|__|__|__|__|...|_|__|__|__|__|__| _ @@@@@@ ____ |__|__|__|__|__|." | ".||__|__|__|__|_| | | JRO @ @ @ |_|__|__|__|__||| | ||_|__|__|__|__|| % | %| % \|/\|/\|/|_@|__@__|_@|__|| | |||__|_%_|_%_|_%| \|/ \|/\|/ @ @ @ |\|/_\|/_|\|/__||__|__||__|_\|/_\|/|\|/ % % % \|/\|/\|/ .' '. \|/ \|/\|/ .' '. .' '. .' '. There you go. One completed picture of a castle, that looks like it's doing something besides hanging there on an empty page. Be sure and sign your picture, so folks will know who made it! By now, I am sure you have dozens of ideas for improving that picture, and for making better ones of your own. Try them all! There is really no mystery to making good text-art. Play around with it, in your spare time. You'll most likely impress yourself with the results. Drop me a line, if you come up with any that you'd like to show me, or need some help: oglesbee@ mail.fullnet.net We'll be continuing this series of tutorials, later. I'll try to cover other topics, from people to perspective. Watch for more, later. __..\/ /\ \ \\ Good Luck! /_/\_.___\ JRO /\\~()\()~/\ \_ _) _/ __ \ //\\/ (((\ __/\ __ /\__ /)//// / \ \ / / \ \___/ / \/\/\/ \/ / | \../ / / | | \/ __ \ / | | o |\__/ | | o | | | o | -- Jonathon R. Oglesbee oglesbee@ mail.fullnet.net Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. ###### From: ppunk@damnthatspam.hetnet.nl (Peter Punk) Subject: Re: So, You Want To Make Text Art? Date: Sat, 25 Dec 1999 02:49:59 +0100 Organization: Total Disorganisation Message-ID: <4ej76scqklib28d7lvkdvce97dhq2j9jq2@4ax.com> References: <8404ni$bve$1@nnrp1.deja.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.7/32.534 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Newsgroups: alt.ascii-art NNTP-Posting-Host: hrv0033-1.dial.wxs.nl 195.121.186.33 Lines: 46 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.tli.de!newsfeed2.news.nl.uu.net!sun4nl!news1.kpn.net!master.news.hetnet.nl!news1.hetnet.nl On Fri, 24 Dec 1999 15:52:21 GMT, JRO provoked the following text: > ___ _ _ _ _ _ > / _`\ ( ) ( ) ( ) _ ( ) ( )_ > | (_ (_) _ \`\_/'/__ _ _ | | ( ) | | _ _ ___ | ,_) > `\__ \ /'_`\ `\ /' _ \( ) ( ) | | | | | |/'_` )' _ `\ | > (~)_) ( (_) )_ | ( (_) ) (_) | | (_/ \_) ( (_| | ( ) | |_ > \____)\___/( ) (_)\___/ \___/ `\__/^\__/'\__,_|_)_(_)\__) > )/ > _____ _ > (_ _) /'\_/`\ (_) > | | _ | | _ _| |/') __ > | |/'_`\ | /V\ |/'_" ) , < /'__`\ > | ( (_) ) | | | ( (_| | |\`\( ___/ > (_)\___/ (_) (_)\__,_|_) (_)\____) > _____ _ _____ _ ___ > (_ _) (_)_ ( _ ) (_)_ /__ \ > | | __ | ,_) ___ | (_) |_ __| ,_|(_) ) | > | |/'__`(`\/') | (___)| _ ( "__) | / / > | ( ___/> <| |_ | | | | | | |_ |_| > (_)\____|_/\_)\__) (_) (_|_) `\__) (_)... > > ...That's NO problem, believe me. If you can't paint like Remington, >Picasso, or Chester Scott, or sketch a square circle with a pencil, or >even smear "wash me" on a dirty windshield with your finger, then text >art is for you! Truth is, just about anybody can make a text picutre; so >don't say that you CAN'T. You can.It's easy! It really is. It doesn't >take a lot of practice, and it doesn't take a lot of "artistic ability". >I can have you making your own, unique text-art, in no time at all. This is great, you should put this on a homepage somewhere! -- Peter Punk \ / ---\\\\--- / \ Don't stop at one bug. ###### From: Veronica Karlsson Newsgroups: alt.ascii-art Subject: Re: So, You Want To Make Text Art? Date: Fri, 31 Dec 1999 12:36:00 +0100 Organization: University of Lulea, Sweden Lines: 43 Message-ID: <386C9520.5C2E@earthling.net> References: <8404ni$bve$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: my21.sm.luth.se Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: news.luth.se 946640161 3901 130.240.3.51 (31 Dec 1999 11:36:01 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@luth.se NNTP-Posting-Date: 31 Dec 1999 11:36:01 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (X11; I; SunOS 5.7 sun4m) Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!News.Amsterdam.UnisourceCS!newshunter!cosy.sbg.ac.at!newsfeed.Austria.EU.net!nmaster.kpnqwest.net!npeer.kpnqwest.net!blackbush.xlink.net!newsfeed.tli.de!newsfeed1.uni2.dk!feed2.news.luth.se!news.luth.se!luth.se!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.ascii-art:7171 JRO wrote: > > That's the main thing you need to know about fonts, but I better > mention one other > tip you'll need to know. That's about which letters and numbers are the > good ones > to use, for making ascii text-art. It's best to just stick to those > characters you > probably see, right there on the keys of your keyboard. This is still Bad Advice. People in different countries may be using all sorts of weird equipment. E.g. I see the following characters on my keyboard: ÅÄÖåäö§½£¤¦éÉáÁíÍóÓúÚýÝüÜñÑçÇ (and maybe a few more bad ones...). It's better to simply show the list of characters one should use: | 32 SP | 33 ! | 34 " | 35 # | 36 $ | 37 % | 38 & | 39 ' | | 40 ( | 41 ) | 42 * | 43 + | 44 , | 45 - | 46 . | 47 / | | 48 0 | 49 1 | 50 2 | 51 3 | 52 4 | 53 5 | 54 6 | 55 7 | | 56 8 | 57 9 | 58 : | 59 ; | 60 < | 61 = | 62 > | 63 ? | | 64 @ | 65 A | 66 B | 67 C | 68 D | 69 E | 70 F | 71 G | | 72 H | 73 I | 74 J | 75 K | 76 L | 77 M | 78 N | 79 O | | 80 P | 81 Q | 82 R | 83 S | 84 T | 85 U | 86 V | 87 W | | 88 X | 89 Y | 90 Z | 91 [ | 92 \ | 93 ] | 94 ^ | 95 _ | | 96 ` | 97 a | 98 b | 99 c |100 d |101 e |102 f |103 g | |104 h |105 i |106 j |107 k |108 l |109 m |110 n |111 o | |112 p |113 q |114 r |115 s |116 t |117 u |118 v |119 w | |120 x |121 y |122 z |123 { |124 | |125 } |126 ~ | -- (, http://www.ludd.luth.se/~vk/cgi/asciichat/ /|__--__ . __--__ |\ '__ /|\ _{ _ `.' / `.,_ _________ | _________ _,.' (/ `. / ||``._.' ASCII ART CHAT! `---'|:||,/ .' /| /|:| \ .' /\ \ __ __ _ `/|'\' ` `,/ /`,\ \ \ / /__ _ _ ___ _ _ (_)__ __ _ /,'\ \ .'.' /| \ V / -_) '_/ _ \ ' \| / _/ _` | |\ `.`. ,' / / | \_/\___|_| \___/_||_|_\__\__,_| | \ \ `, - `- -- `-'- -ejm-------------------------------------VK-- -`-' -- -' - ###### From: "JRO" Newsgroups: alt.ascii-art References: <8404ni$bve$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <386C9520.5C2E@earthling.net> Subject: Re: So, You Want To Make Text Art? Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2000 14:55:33 -0600 Lines: 95 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.226.27.56 Message-ID: <386e673e.0@206.103.97.91> X-Trace: 1 Jan 2000 14:44:46 -0600, 216.226.27.56 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!News.Amsterdam.UnisourceCS!newshunter!cosy.sbg.ac.at!newsfeed.Austria.EU.net!nmaster.kpnqwest.net!npeer.kpnqwest.net!blackbush.xlink.net!newsfeed.tli.de!newspeer.monmouth.com!news-feed.fnsi.net!news-feeder.wcg.net!WCG!news.good.net!206.103.97.91!216.226.27.56 Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.ascii-art:7212 Veronica Karlsson wrote in message news:386C9520.5C2E@earthling.net... > > This is still Bad Advice. People in different countries may be using all > sorts of weird equipment. E.g. I see the following characters on my > keyboard: ÅÄÖåäö§½£¤¦éÉáÁíÍóÓúÚýÝüÜñÑçÇ (and maybe a few more bad > ones...). It's better to simply show the list of characters one should > use: > > | 32 SP | 33 ! | 34 " | 35 # | 36 $ | 37 % | 38 & | 39 ' | > | 40 ( | 41 ) | 42 * | 43 + | 44 , | 45 - | 46 . | 47 / | > | 48 0 | 49 1 | 50 2 | 51 3 | 52 4 | 53 5 | 54 6 | 55 7 | > | 56 8 | 57 9 | 58 : | 59 ; | 60 < | 61 = | 62 > | 63 ? | > | 64 @ | 65 A | 66 B | 67 C | 68 D | 69 E | 70 F | 71 G | > | 72 H | 73 I | 74 J | 75 K | 76 L | 77 M | 78 N | 79 O | > | 80 P | 81 Q | 82 R | 83 S | 84 T | 85 U | 86 V | 87 W | > | 88 X | 89 Y | 90 Z | 91 [ | 92 \ | 93 ] | 94 ^ | 95 _ | > | 96 ` | 97 a | 98 b | 99 c |100 d |101 e |102 f |103 g | > |104 h |105 i |106 j |107 k |108 l |109 m |110 n |111 o | > |112 p |113 q |114 r |115 s |116 t |117 u |118 v |119 w | > |120 x |121 y |122 z |123 { |124 | |125 } |126 ~ | Well, if I was going to get tecnikal, I would have used a chart like this: 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 A B C D E F 0 NUL SOH STX ETX EOT ENQ ACK BEL BS HT LF VT FF CR SO SI 1 DLE DC1 DC2 DC3 DC4 NAK SYN ETB CAN EM SUB ESC FS GS RS US 2 SP ! " # $ % & ' ( ) * + , - . / 3 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 : ; < = > ? 4 @ A B C D E F G H I J K L M N O 5 P Q R S T U V W X Y Z [ \ ] ^ _ 6 ` a b c d e f g h i j k l m n o 7 p q r s t u v w x y z { | } ~ DEL And then bothered to give a value explanation for all of them, perhaps going into bios-mapping, ect.. People with a passing or budding interest in ascii art, don't want that. They don't need that. 99% of them have standard, ascii keyboards. So sorry you don't, but maybe I can send you $20, so you can buy one. You can keep your Swedish keyboard, for posting unlats to alt.geek-troll, but don't expect me to give a hoot. If anyone has a foreign-language keyboard, they can write me and ask for help, and I'll be more than happy to see what I can do. Folks who come around, new (to ascii) are only interested in the absolute basic, how-to kind of information. They don't want some dry, tekky, dull, rude faq stuck in their face. That stuff is useless, to the new (at ascii) person who comes along, and wants some help on how you make an ascii text art picture. You might take a good, long look at that junk, and then imagine you are totally new to ascii art, and posted a simple question like "How do I make ascii"?... ...For a response, someone DIRECTED you to "go to this link, and read this", and maybe your interest overcomes such a crass reply, and you do. Then you are confronted with the dullest thing you have ever seen, written as if you were some kind of idiot for not knowing it in the first place. Some of those faqs for this newsgroup bear no resemblance at all, to the "purpose" of this newsgroup. Hell, they're even downright rude, in places. I've yet to see one that really answers the basic questions folks really have, in an entertaining manner. The only people who seem to like those things are the ones who don't need to read them, anyway. Point in case: you toss those things at beginners (... at ascii) - they don't come back. They don't repost "Great info! Thanks"!... No, they go away, assuming something else, entirely - This is an unfriendly, unhelpful newsgroup. For years, I have worked behind the scenes, in email, to prove otherwise. Almost universally, the people I have encouraged agree about one thing: The Faqs Were Of No Help. The ultimate litmus test of that, is clear... People I have encouraged come back, or they go on to make text art on their web pages, in their email, or even on IRC. People you give your "Sets of Rules" and advice to, LEAVE.... Which has always made me wonder...Microsoft declared "The Death Of Ascii", and "An End To Ascii Art Signatures", a couple of years ago, followed by the release of OutlookExpress 5. Possibly, somebody with a little standing at that software giant posted a request to this newsgroup. And YOU answered. You see, you've never considered the one thing that IS important, on this silly little newsgroup - the reason people make or like ascii art. It's really very simple. It's just for fun. Yeah, that's right - FUN... "A pleasant or enjoyable diversion." When I give someone starter advice for ascii art, my advice is to the point, demonstrative, readable, and never condescending. And it does one other thing - it works. Don't believe me? Ask around. Jonathon R. Oglesbee oglesbee@ mail.fullnet.net ###### From: Veronica Karlsson Newsgroups: alt.ascii-art Subject: Re: So, You Want To Make Text Art? Date: Sun, 02 Jan 2000 01:57:36 +0100 Organization: University of Lulea, Sweden Lines: 196 Message-ID: <386EA280.25F9@earthling.net> References: <8404ni$bve$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <386C9520.5C2E@earthling.net> <386e673e.0@206.103.97.91> NNTP-Posting-Host: my21.sm.luth.se Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: news.luth.se 946774657 14037 130.240.3.51 (2 Jan 2000 00:57:37 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@luth.se NNTP-Posting-Date: 2 Jan 2000 00:57:37 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (X11; I; SunOS 5.7 sun4m) Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!enews.sgi.com!npeer.kpnqwest.net!blackbush.xlink.net!news-MUC.ecrc.net!feed2.news.luth.se!news.luth.se!luth.se!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.ascii-art:7218 JRO wrote: > Veronica Karlsson wrote: > > > > This is still Bad Advice. People in different countries may be using all > > sorts of weird equipment. E.g. I see the following characters on my > > keyboard: ÅÄÖåäö§½£¤¦éÉáÁíÍóÓúÚýÝüÜñÑçÇ (and maybe a few more bad > > ones...). It's better to simply show the list of characters one should > > use: > > > > | 32 SP | 33 ! | 34 " | 35 # | 36 $ | 37 % | 38 & | 39 ' | > And then bothered to give a value explanation for all of them, perhaps going into > bios-mapping, ect.. This aaa version of this rant is apparently not quite as nasty as the one you sent me in email. I quit reading *that* one after the first paragraph... > People with a passing or budding interest in ascii art, don't want that. > They don't need that. I agree that they might not *want* it, but not that they might not *need* it. E.g. when I first started posting to aaa I used the § character a lot. It's on my keyboard... > 99% of them have standard, ascii keyboards. You said 90% in the email... Do you have any evidence for either of those figures or did you just invent them? A Swedish "standard keyboard" contains the letters ÅÄÖ. Lets see what Joan's link list says: http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/2695/links.htm Personal Exhibits Joris Bellenger French keyboard? Armando Franzao Portugese keyboard? Veronica Karlsson Swedish keyboard. Maija Finnish keyboard? Dariusz Sieradzki Polish keyboard? Valery Silivanov Russian keyboard? Lennert Stock Dutch keyboard? Theo van Eck Dutch keyboard? Hayley Jane Wakenshaw Dutch keyboard? (That's just the ones I know where they live, and who have homepages.) Seems like more than 1% of that list to me... > So sorry you don't, but maybe I can send you $20, so you can buy one. I can get one for free in Ludd's junk corner. Around here they're considered worthless, since they don't have ÅÄÖ. > You can keep your > Swedish keyboard, for posting unlats to alt.geek-troll, but don't expect me > to give a hoot. If anyone has a foreign-language keyboard, they can write me > and ask for help, and I'll be more than happy to see what I can do. Huh? You do realise that YOU are the one with the "foreign-language" keyboard, right? ;-) > Folks who come around, new (to ascii) are only interested in the absolute > basic, how-to kind of information. They don't want some dry, tekky, dull, rude > faq stuck in their face. So, write one that isn't "dry, tekky, dull and rude". So far I'm quite happy with Matthew Thomas' FAQ. > That stuff is useless, to the new (at ascii) person > who comes along, and wants some help on how you make an ascii text art picture. > You might take a good, long look at that junk, and then imagine you are totally > new to ascii art, and posted a simple question like "How do I make ascii"?... I read Bob Allison's FAQ before posting here (in 1995). I don't remember having any problem with that. I knew I should read the FAQ for the group before posting away. I read it. I posted. I did a bunch of the usual newbie errors. I got better. Somehow the information has to be presented to the newbies. If you feel that you can do it better, please do so and quit whining. Saying "just use the characters on your keyboard" is Bad Advice, and you should expect to be criticised for it, because it's just plain wrong. > ...For a response, someone DIRECTED you to "go to this link, and read this", > and maybe your interest overcomes such a crass reply, and you do. Then you are > confronted with the dullest thing you have ever seen, written as if you were some > kind of idiot for not knowing it in the first place. Nobody _directed_ me to read the FAQ. I knew I should read it. I went out and found it for myself. BEFORE posting. MONTHS before posting. Maybe the document is dull, maybe it is written to be understandable to everybody, including those less intelligent than me. So much more reason to read it, instead of posting things that are "bad" in some way, and thus proving to everybody that I'm too stupid to understand the information in this "very dull" but quite simple document. > Some of those faqs for this newsgroup bear no resemblance at all, to the > "purpose" of this newsgroup. Hell, they're even downright rude, in places. Please be more specific. > I've > yet to see one that really answers the basic questions folks really have, in an > entertaining manner. The only people who seem to like those things are the ones > who don't need to read them, anyway. Why does it have to be "entertaining"? Of course, I can't speak for everybody, but isn't a slightly "dull" but correct document better than one that is "entertaining" and contains "advice" such as "just use the characters you can find on your keyboard"? > Point in case: you toss those things at beginners (... at ascii) - they don't > come back. They don't repost "Great info! Thanks"!... No, they go away, assuming > something else, entirely - This is an unfriendly, unhelpful newsgroup. I have directed quite a few newbies to the FAQ. Here are some quotes from replies to some of those: "Thank you for your message." alejandro.riNOSPAMvas@asu.edu "thanx heaps for the info... very helpful..." celticheart@mypaNOSPAMd.com "thank you" chosen144NOSPAM6@aol.com "Thank you Veronica fro the mail about ascii-art." e.NOSPAMcharre@free.fr "Ok, thank you for your information!" danielbenjamins@hetNOSPAMnet.nl "Thanks. I enjoyed the figlet server a lot!" fgriesNOSPAMe@skynet.be "hello thanks for you mail , i love ascii art" guerrero@cNOSPAMtv.es etc. Negative comments? Well, there have been a couple of "But, but, but, I'm no newbie!?!" (all of which have accepted the obvious reply: "Oops. Sorry."). Also, there was one who was pissed off because his email address had been forged (cybNOSPAMerdude@cyberdude.com). As for "they don't come back". If that was true, there would be almost no new regulars to this group since July 1999. > For years, I have worked behind the scenes, in email, to prove otherwise. Almost > universally, the people I have encouraged agree about one thing: The Faqs Were Of > No Help. The ultimate litmus test of that, is clear... People I have encouraged > come back, or they go on to make text art on their web pages, in their email, or > even on IRC. People you give your "Sets of Rules" and advice to, LEAVE.... This is quite amazing. My experience is almost the opposite. > Which has always made me wonder...Microsoft declared "The Death Of Ascii", and > "An End To Ascii Art Signatures", a couple of years ago, followed by the release of > OutlookExpress 5. Possibly, somebody with a little standing at that software giant > posted a request to this newsgroup. And YOU answered. ??? More likely, it works everywhere, so it doesn't serve their purpose (taking over the world...) and so it must be killed. If you repeat something often enough it might actually come true... So far I see no sign of ascii art dying. > You see, you've never considered the one thing that IS important, on this silly > little newsgroup - the reason people make or like ascii art. It's really very simple. > It's just for fun. Yeah, that's right - FUN... "A pleasant or enjoyable diversion." > When I give someone starter advice for ascii art, my advice is to the point, > demonstrative, readable, and never condescending. And it does one other thing - it > works. You really do have a hard time coping with the fact that people like your ascii art better than your pen-and-paper art (i.e. your "real" art), right? You always talk about ascii art as something that is bad, something that is so simple, even ridiculous, it's "beneath you". If I was a newbie I would probably find that attitude more offensive than the "dullness" of the FAQ. If it's so bad, why do you still do it? If it's so bad, why do you go to the trouble of getting a Deja account to work around the limitations of your ISP's news server? (It's very nice that you do. People here, including me, like your stuff, and like to see it without "file://" garbage in it.) I just don't see why you're so negative about it. My mother is the same way, "ascii art sucks!", "it's not REAL", and yet her emails to me are filled with ascii doodles... > Don't believe me? Ask around. ??? -- (, http://www.ludd.luth.se/~vk/cgi/asciichat/ /|__--__ . __--__ |\ '__ /|\ _{ _ `.' / `.,_ _________ | _________ _,.' (/ `. / ||``._.' ASCII ART CHAT! `---'|:||,/ .' /| /|:| \ .' /\ \ __ __ _ `/|'\' ` `,/ /`,\ \ \ / /__ _ _ ___ _ _ (_)__ __ _ /,'\ \ .'.' /| \ V / -_) '_/ _ \ ' \| / _/ _` | |\ `.`. ,' / / | \_/\___|_| \___/_||_|_\__\__,_| | \ \ `, - `- -- `-'- -ejm-------------------------------------VK-- -`-' -- -' - ###### Message-ID: <386F0346.9AB412B7@gtcom.net> From: Krogg Reply-To: krogg.no.to.spam@gtcom.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en-US,en-GB,en,ja MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.ascii-art Subject: Re: So, You Want To Make Text Art? References: <8404ni$bve$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <386C9520.5C2E@earthling.net> <386e673e.0@206.103.97.91> <386EA280.25F9@earthling.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 30 Date: Sun, 02 Jan 2000 02:50:30 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.16.178.154 X-Trace: eagle.america.net 946799848 12.16.178.154 (Sun, 02 Jan 2000 02:57:28 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 02 Jan 2000 02:57:28 EST Organization: 24hoursupport.com Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news.datacomm.ch!newsmaster-01.vbs.at!newsrouter.chello.at!news-MUC.ecrc.net!feeder.qis.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newsfeed.atl!falcon.america.net!eagle.america.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.ascii-art:7250 Veronica Karlsson wrote: > > JRO wrote: [snip] > > And then bothered to give a value explanation for all of them, perhaps going into > > bios-mapping, ect.. > > This aaa version of this rant is apparently not quite as nasty as the > one you sent me in email. I quit reading *that* one after the first > paragraph... DAMIT....One of you,please email me a copy of the email version...I want to see the nasty parts. -- |"""""<`.THE PRINCE ,'>"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""| | `.`/""""""\,',' my sig is too big, | |SEE HIS ( / \ \' SEE HIS but its really cool. | | FACE \/<> <>\/ SMILE | | / W \ Visit my ascii art site: | | ,'\_|||||_/`. http://www.gtcom.net/~krogg/ascii/ | | ,',' ||| `.`. krogg.no.to.spam@gtcom.net | |____<,' TIME TO DIE `.>____Remove no.to.spam to reply____| ###### From: Veronica Karlsson Newsgroups: alt.ascii-art Subject: Re: So, You Want To Make Text Art? Date: Sun, 02 Jan 2000 09:14:30 +0100 Organization: University of Lulea, Sweden Lines: 29 Message-ID: <386F08E6.7BB1@earthling.net> References: <8404ni$bve$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <386C9520.5C2E@earthling.net> <386e673e.0@206.103.97.91> <386EA280.25F9@earthling.net> <386F0346.9AB412B7@gtcom.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: my21.sm.luth.se Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: news.luth.se 946800872 22054 130.240.3.51 (2 Jan 2000 08:14:32 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@luth.se NNTP-Posting-Date: 2 Jan 2000 08:14:32 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (X11; I; SunOS 5.7 sun4m) Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news.datacomm.ch!newsmaster-01.vbs.at!newsrouter.chello.at!news-MUC.ecrc.net!feed2.news.luth.se!news.luth.se!luth.se!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.ascii-art:7219 Krogg wrote: > Veronica Karlsson wrote: > > JRO wrote: > > > And then bothered to give a value explanation for all of them, perhaps going into > > > bios-mapping, ect.. > > > > This aaa version of this rant is apparently not quite as nasty as the > > one you sent me in email. I quit reading *that* one after the first > > paragraph... > > DAMIT....One of you,please email me a copy of the email > version...I want to see the nasty parts. I'll gladly forward it to the group if its author allows me to do that... -- (, http://www.ludd.luth.se/~vk/cgi/asciichat/ /|__--__ . __--__ |\ '__ /|\ _{ _ `.' / `.,_ _________ | _________ _,.' (/ `. / ||``._.' ASCII ART CHAT! `---'|:||,/ .' /| /|:| \ .' /\ \ __ __ _ `/|'\' ` `,/ /`,\ \ \ / /__ _ _ ___ _ _ (_)__ __ _ /,'\ \ .'.' /| \ V / -_) '_/ _ \ ' \| / _/ _` | |\ `.`. ,' / / | \_/\___|_| \___/_||_|_\__\__,_| | \ \ `, - `- -- `-'- -ejm-------------------------------------VK-- -`-' -- -' - ###### From: Lennert Stock Newsgroups: alt.ascii-art Subject: Re: So, You Want To Make Text Art? Date: Sun, 02 Jan 2000 11:22:41 +0100 Organization: News Service (http://www.news-service.com/) Lines: 29 Message-ID: <8u7u6s81pk9r9o172lr250gf0569fqkrq8@4ax.com> References: <8404ni$bve$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <386C9520.5C2E@earthling.net> <386e673e.0@206.103.97.91> <386EA280.25F9@earthling.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.114.238.132 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.7/32.534 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!enews.sgi.com!news-feed.fnsi.net!newsfeed.icl.net!colt.net!news-x.support.nl!News-Service!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.ascii-art:7236 On Sun, 02 Jan 2000 01:57:36 +0100, Veronica Karlsson wrote: >Joris Bellenger French keyboard? >Armando Franzao Portugese keyboard? >Veronica Karlsson Swedish keyboard. >Maija Finnish keyboard? >Dariusz Sieradzki Polish keyboard? >Valery Silivanov Russian keyboard? >Lennert Stock Dutch keyboard? >Theo van Eck Dutch keyboard? >Hayley Jane Wakenshaw Dutch keyboard? I'm using a Logitech Cordless Keyboard using English (USA) or Dutch settings. With the latter you can do some silly stuff like typing '"' and 'a' and it becomes an a with an umlaut (very irritating when html-ing for instance, I usually turn it off). Cheers, -- |"""""""i"""""""""""""i"""""""""""""i"""""""""""""i"""""""""""""i"""""""| |""3D"""""X"""""3D"""""X"""""3D"""""X"""""3D"""""X"""""3D"""""X"""""3D""| |["""""""""]X["""""""""]X["""""""""]X["""""""""]X["""""""""]X["""""""""]| |"XXX""SIG"""XXX""SIG"""XXX""SIG"""XXX""SIG"""XXX""SIG"""XXX""SIG"""XXX"| |""""XXX"""""""XXX"""""""XXX"""""""XXX"""""""XXX"""""""XXX"""""""XXX""""| |X["LS"]XXX["LS"]XXX["LS"]XXX["LS"]XXX["LS"]XXX["LS"]XXX["LS"]XXX["LS"]X| |"XXXXX"""XXXXX"""XXXXX"""XXXXX"""XXXXX"""XXXXX"""XXXXX"""XXXXX"""XXXXX"| |XXX""XXXXX""XXXXX""XXXXX""XXXXX""XXXXX""XXXXX""XXXXX""XXXXX""XXXXX""XXX| ###### From: "JRO" Newsgroups: alt.ascii-art References: <8404ni$bve$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <386C9520.5C2E@earthling.net> <386e673e.0@206.103.97.91> <386EA280.25F9@earthling.net> <386F0346.9AB412B7@gtcom.net> <386F08E6.7BB1@earthling.net> Subject: Re: So, You Want To Make Text Art? Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2000 06:57:40 -0600 Lines: 126 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.226.27.47 Message-ID: <386f48ac.0@206.103.97.91> X-Trace: 2 Jan 2000 06:46:36 -0600, 216.226.27.47 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news.datacomm.ch!newsmaster-01.vbs.at!newsrouter.chello.at!news-MUC.ecrc.net!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!gxn.net!news.good.net!206.103.97.91!216.226.27.47 Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.ascii-art:7238 Veronica Karlsson wrote in message news:386F08E6.7BB1@earthling.net... > Krogg wrote: > > Veronica Karlsson wrote: > > > JRO wrote: > > > > And then bothered to give a value explanation for all of them, perhaps going into > > > > bios-mapping, ect.. > > > > > > This aaa version of this rant is apparently not quite as nasty as the > > > one you sent me in email. I quit reading *that* one after the first > > > paragraph... > > > > DAMIT....One of you,please email me a copy of the email > > version...I want to see the nasty parts. > > I'll gladly forward it to the group if its author allows me to do > that... I'll save you the trouble. And I'm sure you read it all, since you know so much about how "nasty" it was. There is little need in trying to fool folks herethat you didn't, but if you want them all to see, so be it: ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- That was good advice. Most people post or read alt.ascii-art, for enjoyment. They don't have Swedish keyboards. They use standard ones; 90-something percent of them do. And most new people aren't interested in being confronted with this: 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 A B C D E F 0 NUL SOH STX ETX EOT ENQ ACK BEL BS HT LF VT FF CR SO SI 1 DLE DC1 DC2 DC3 DC4 NAK SYN ETB CAN EM SUB ESC FS GS RS US 2 SP ! " # $ % & ' ( ) * + , - . / 3 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 : ; < = > ? 4 @ A B C D E F G H I J K L M N O 5 P Q R S T U V W X Y Z [ \ ] ^ _ 6 ` a b c d e f g h i j k l m n o 7 p q r s t u v w x y z { | } ~ DEL They would like a plain, simple explanation. The simpler, the better. Their interest in text-art is for pure entertainment. They need basic help, that is easy and entertaining to read. That's how you interest people in text art - not by confronting them with a set of "rules", and no real how-to advice. Many people have read those tutorials. People who read them, like them; better than your "facks". They write me email, and send me their "art". Some of them, you even know... Those things have been asked for, and are posted on art sites that aren't ascii sites, at all. The latest being http://www.artcenter.ac/ It's some new link exchange, or whatever... Doesn't look like much, to me. Sorry I haven't kept the addys of a few better artsites, but there are some that have them. Real, live, money-making graphic artists have asked me for those things, and thanked me for them, too. And they all damned the "facks". When you confront a total newbie with your precious facks, how many come back and make text art? How many go make text art on a web page, or in emails, or on IRC? Just about none. The way those things are practically "thrown" at people with a budding or passing interest in ascii, pretty much lets them know this is NOT a friendly newsgroup. On the other hand, I have had remarkable success with answering questions in email to people who are interested in text art. They are all pretty unanimous in adding that they didn't find the fucking facks of any help, at all. And they all like my tutorials. Many of them actually go on and make text art. Your advice isn't "bad". It's just badly presented, and doesn't take into account the fact that most people who are interested in ascii just want to make it, and have a little fun. They are pure beginners (at ascii). Maybe your tech advice and those facks will be of interest to them, later on, but for beginners, having those things sent or reposted to them, is a little like a rude slap in the face. All they want is some basic directions - the kind that fits 99% of them - and a little basic "how-to", to get them started on their own ideas. Your "not intended to be bad" advice, doesn't interest or promote the beginner ascii artist - it discourages him. Those "faqs" present people with a list of "rules", which come across as if they were some kind of edict, or demand. They are no fun to read. They contain no "how-to" demonstrations. They leave even a new enthusiast with a chill. I see no use for the damn things, except for the advanced ascii text artist who doesn't need to read them anyway, and even he/she/it is bound to be bored by them. If you don't like my tutorials, don't read them. You may think they are "bad", but your opinion merely suffers from a lack of understanding. Ascii art is merely entertainment, not some deep, technical pursuit. People want to make it, or look at it, for fun. It's no fun to wade through some techy document, and receive a set of "laws" that they "better not break". That just turns people off. My tutorials don't turn people off. Look at Peter Punk's repost - he says, "This is great!" NO ONE ever said that about those fucking facks. But I hear that, all the time. I'm glad I posted the things to aaa, if for no other reason, than to garnish one enthusiastic reply... .... Which is why you chose to flame my tutorial, of course. I suggest you refrain yourself from doing that. Try setting your news reader to block my posts, if you can't stay off without correkting me. Or flame me some more, and the result might be that you will wish you had kept your incorrect opinions to yourself. The choice is yours. I can be very friendly, or not. You are the one that determines that. Be good, Johnny --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Too bad Pete won't hang around, to keep you entertained. Without him, you're just a troll, Veronica. Either behave, or go run new reader/posters off some other newsgroup. This one is small enough, without your working to make it smaller. JRO ###### Message-ID: <386F5034.222B968C@sympatico.ca> From: Pete Casso Organization: Frogstein and Birdstein Productions X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.ascii-art Subject: Re: So, You Want To Make Text Art? References: <8404ni$bve$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <386C9520.5C2E@earthling.net> <386e673e.0@206.103.97.91> <386EA280.25F9@earthling.net> <386F0346.9AB412B7@gtcom.net> <386F08E6.7BB1@earthling.net> <386f48ac.0@206.103.97.91> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 16 Date: Sun, 02 Jan 2000 13:16:00 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.172.182.85 X-Trace: news21.bellglobal.com 946818960 206.172.182.85 (Sun, 02 Jan 2000 08:16:00 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 02 Jan 2000 08:16:00 EDT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!feed2.news.luth.se!luth.se!news-peer-europe.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!news1.bellglobal.com!news21.bellglobal.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.ascii-art:7222 Gosh, this is the *only* lively debate during all of the holidays that I have been peeking in. Just want to add that the logical medium for Text Art on this newsgroup is html. WHOOAHH!!! Now to chuch and up and away into the busy busy busy life! Visit the 'steins at http://www3.sympatico.ca/petecasso/ > JRO wrote: > Veronica Karlsson wrote in message news:386F08E6.7BB1@earthling.net... > > Krogg wrote: > > > Veronica Karlsson wrote: > Too bad Pete won't hang around, to keep you entertained. Without him, > you're just a troll, Veronica. Either behave, or go run new reader/posters > off some other newsgroup. This one is small enough, without your working to > make it smaller. ###### From: CJRandall Newsgroups: alt.ascii-art Subject: Re: So, You Want To Make Text Art? Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2000 15:22:01 +0000 Organization: me? organised? Message-ID: References: <8404ni$bve$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: shieldwolf.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: shieldwolf.demon.co.uk:193.237.26.148 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 946827551 nnrp-11:19771 NO-IDENT shieldwolf.demon.co.uk:193.237.26.148 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike (32) Trial Version 4.01 Lines: 50 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!News.Amsterdam.UnisourceCS!newshunter!cosy.sbg.ac.at!news-feed.inet.tele.dk!bofh.vszbr.cz!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!shieldwolf.demon.co.uk!colin Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.ascii-art:7242 JRO writes > > ________ __ > _( ( __ )_ _(( )_ > __( __ ) __) __( ) ) > (____ ( _) (_ ( _ __ )_ > (_____) _( __ __) > (__(_ ( _) > |>>>> (___) > | > / \ > / \ > / \ > /_______\ > |__|_|__| > |_| |_| > |_|___|_| > |__|__|_| > /\ _ _ _ _ |_|__|__| _ _ _ _ > //\\ | |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| | @@@@@@ > ///\\\ |__|__|__|__|__|__|__|__|__|__|__|__|_| @@@@@@@@@ > ////\\\\ |_|__|__|__|__|__|__|__|__|__|__|__|__| @@@@@@@@@@ > /////\\\\\|__|__|__|__|__|__|__|__|__|__|__|__|_| @@@@@@@@@ > ___||___ |_|__|__|__|__|__|...|_|__|__|__|__|__| _ @@@@@@ ____ > |__|__|__|__|__|." | ".||__|__|__|__|_| | | JRO > @ @ @ |_|__|__|__|__||| | ||_|__|__|__|__|| % | %| % > \|/\|/\|/|_@|__@__|_@|__|| | |||__|_%_|_%_|_%| \|/ \|/\|/ > @ @ @ |\|/_\|/_|\|/__||__|__||__|_\|/_\|/|\|/ % % % > \|/\|/\|/ .' '. \|/ \|/\|/ .' '. /| .' '// .' _//'. ()~ v__ I have you surrounded \\___|==)__ \(/ \ so come out with your ( ~\Y/~ ) \ ~Y~ / hands up! (\ " / \#\ /) |#|\_/#| a most enjoyable tutorial ... thanx [][ see yuz [][ colin -- . /\_/\ ( () |_ | |\| _/ |? .\ |\| |) .\ |_ |_ :( a a( CJRandall http://www.shieldwolf.demon.co.uk ' \___") <> ###### From: Veronica Karlsson Newsgroups: alt.ascii-art Subject: Re: So, You Want To Make Text Art? Date: Sun, 02 Jan 2000 16:45:24 +0100 Organization: University of Lulea, Sweden Lines: 377 Message-ID: <386F7294.7C46@earthling.net> References: <8404ni$bve$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <386C9520.5C2E@earthling.net> <386e673e.0@206.103.97.91> <386EA280.25F9@earthling.net> <386F0346.9AB412B7@gtcom.net> <386F08E6.7BB1@earthling.net> <386f48ac.0@206.103.97.91> NNTP-Posting-Host: my21.sm.luth.se Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: news.luth.se 946827924 29120 130.240.3.51 (2 Jan 2000 15:45:24 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@luth.se NNTP-Posting-Date: 2 Jan 2000 15:45:24 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (X11; I; SunOS 5.7 sun4m) Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!News.Amsterdam.UnisourceCS!newshunter!cosy.sbg.ac.at!news-feed.inet.tele.dk!bofh.vszbr.cz!newsfeed.tli.de!news.algonet.se!algonet!feed2.news.luth.se!news.luth.se!luth.se!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.ascii-art:7217 JRO wrote: > Veronica Karlsson wrote: > > Krogg wrote: > > > Veronica Karlsson wrote: > > > > JRO wrote: > > > > > And then bothered to give a value explanation for all of them, perhaps going into > > > > > bios-mapping, ect.. > > > > > > > > This aaa version of this rant is apparently not quite as nasty as the > > > > one you sent me in email. I quit reading *that* one after the first > > > > paragraph... > > > > > > DAMIT....One of you,please email me a copy of the email > > > version...I want to see the nasty parts. > > > > I'll gladly forward it to the group if its author allows me to do > > that... > > I'll save you the trouble. And I'm sure you read it all, since you know > so much about how "nasty" it was. There is little need in trying to fool > folks herethat you didn't, but if you want them all to see, so be it: > The first paragraph of the letter was four lines. The first paragraph of the post was one line. *shrug* I still haven't read it. I'll do that now. :-) > That was good advice. For people with American keyboards, *maybe*. For people with, e.g. Swedish keyboards it was Bad Advice. > Most people post or read alt.ascii-art, for > enjoyment. They don't have Swedish keyboards. Most Swedish computer users have Swedish keyboards. And I would expect most Finnish computer users to have Finnish keyboards, and most Spanish computer users to have Spanish keyboards, etc. The world *is* bigger than just northern America. > They use standard > ones; 90-something percent of them do. Here's that "90%" figure I mentioned in that other reply. Again: Is it based on fact or did you invent it? (the fact that it's "90" here and "99" in the other version would suggest that you invented it) > And most new people aren't > interested in being confronted with this: > > 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 A B C D E F > 0 NUL SOH STX ETX EOT ENQ ACK BEL BS HT LF VT FF CR SO SI > 1 DLE DC1 DC2 DC3 DC4 NAK SYN ETB CAN EM SUB ESC FS GS RS US > 2 SP ! " # $ % & ' ( ) * + , - . / > 3 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 : ; < = > ? > 4 @ A B C D E F G H I J K L M N O > 5 P Q R S T U V W X Y Z [ \ ] ^ _ > 6 ` a b c d e f g h i j k l m n o > 7 p q r s t u v w x y z { | } ~ DEL > [This is where I stopped reading. I've seen your multi-page rants before and know what they look like...] And the thing they should "be confronted with" is this: ================================================================= | | | 32 SP | 33 ! | 34 " | 35 # | 36 $ | 37 % | 38 & | 39 ' | | 40 ( | 41 ) | 42 * | 43 + | 44 , | 45 - | 46 . | 47 / | | 48 0 | 49 1 | 50 2 | 51 3 | 52 4 | 53 5 | 54 6 | 55 7 | | 56 8 | 57 9 | 58 : | 59 ; | 60 < | 61 = | 62 > | 63 ? | | 64 @ | 65 A | 66 B | 67 C | 68 D | 69 E | 70 F | 71 G | | 72 H | 73 I | 74 J | 75 K | 76 L | 77 M | 78 N | 79 O | | 80 P | 81 Q | 82 R | 83 S | 84 T | 85 U | 86 V | 87 W | | 88 X | 89 Y | 90 Z | 91 [ | 92 \ | 93 ] | 94 ^ | 95 _ | | 96 ` | 97 a | 98 b | 99 c |100 d |101 e |102 f |103 g | |104 h |105 i |106 j |107 k |108 l |109 m |110 n |111 o | |112 p |113 q |114 r |115 s |116 t |117 u |118 v |119 w | |120 x |121 y |122 z |123 { |124 | |125 } |126 ~ | | | | | No, no, no, MUST'NT use ones that are not on the chart! | | | ================================================================= That's not particularly "techy". It's just a simple list. If you don't like that the characters are numbered, just shorten it down to something like this: ================================== ASCII character chart for dummies: ================================== |This chart should be symmetrical! | If it isn't, change your font | |til the i's and the m's line up.| | | |iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii| |mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm| | | | SP ! " # $ % & ' | | ( ) * + , - . / | | 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 | | 8 9 : ; < = > ? | | @ A B C D E F G | | H I J K L M N O | | P Q R S T U V W | | X Y Z [ \ ] ^ _ | | ` a b c d e f g | | h i j k l m n o | | p q r s t u v w | | x y z { | } ~ | | | | SP stands for Space bar | | | | No, no, no, you MUSTN'T use | | ones that are not on the chart!| ================================== But... look! llizard already did that bit of the job for you! All you need to do is a quick copy-paste of one of the tables above. Very techy - not! > They would like a plain, simple explanation. The simpler, the better. IMO a plain list of the "good" characters is quite simple. > Their interest in text-art is for pure entertainment. That's not a good excuse for giving bad advice, especially not since the subject is quite simple anyway. You don't need any simplification. You accused the FAQ of "looking down on" people. Well, you treat people as if they're not intelligent enough to read a simple list... > They need basic help, that is easy > and entertaining to read. That's how you interest people in text art - not by > confronting them with a set of "rules", and no real how-to advice. I still don't see the need for something quite simple, and yes, a little "techy", to be *entertaining*. > Many people have read those tutorials. People who read them, like them; Good! (I just wonder one thing: How many of the people who read them go on to post pictures containing § or ½ or Ö and then get flamed for it?) > better than your "facks". They write me email, and send me their "art". How can they be "better" if they give out incorrect information (you're basically telling me, or any other Swede, to use characters like Å, Ä and Ö in my pictures)? > Some of them, you even know... And? I communicate in email with people you know. People communicate with each other. That's part of this whole newsgroup thing... *shrug* > Those things have been asked for, and are posted on art sites that aren't > ascii sites, at all. The latest being http://www.artcenter.ac/ It's some > new link exchange, or whatever... Doesn't look like much, to me. Sorry I > haven't kept the addys of a few better artsites, but there are some > that have them. Real, live, money-making graphic artists have asked me for > those things, and thanked me for them, too. And they all damned the "facks". I don't see how ascii art is any less "real" than any other art. The fact that somebody earns money making pictures is no guarantee that he is any better at making pictures than somebody else, who doesn't sell his pictures for money. > When you confront a total newbie with your precious facks, how many come > back and make text art? I haven't counted (I've been too busy making pictures of my own). > How many go make text art on a web page, or in > emails, or on IRC? Just about none. The way those things are practically > "thrown" at people with a budding or passing interest in ascii, pretty > much lets them know this is NOT a friendly newsgroup. The group is less "strict" today than it was a couple of years ago, back when I came to the conclusion that this is one of the friendliest groups out there. I find some of the sugar-sweet back-patting that seems to be some regulars' main contribution to this group quite sickening. I mean, it's nice when people applaud good pictures, but some people seem to have made a career out of it... > On the other hand, > I have had remarkable success with answering questions in email to > people who are interested in text art. They are all pretty unanimous in > adding that they didn't find the fucking facks of any help, at all. And > they all like my tutorials. Many of them actually go on and make text art. Which is fine - until you start throwing out bad advice and causing people to develop bad habits. Once you figure out that § makes very nice hair, it's hard to stop using it... > Your advice isn't "bad". It's just badly presented, and doesn't take into > account the fact that most people who are interested in ascii just want to make > it, and have a little fun. They are pure beginners (at ascii). Maybe your tech > advice and those facks will be of interest to them, later on, but for beginners, > having those things sent or reposted to them, is a little like a rude slap in > the face. All they want is some basic directions - the kind that fits 99% of > them - and a little basic "how-to", to get them started on their own ideas. I WISH somebody had shown me to the HTML FAQ *before* I made a complete mess of my homepage! It took me a YEAR to un-learn and learn better ways to do things. That's *many* hours' work down the drain. HTML is so simple, yet when you start making tables of everything, and splitting up images, and counting pixels, and setting fonts, and then watch the whole thing fall apart... *sigh* I wouldn't consider it "a rude slap in the face". I *really* don't see where that opinion comes from. > Your "not intended to be bad" advice, doesn't interest or promote the > beginner ascii artist - it discourages him. It's not supposed to "interest or promote" anything. It's supposed to give the reader some reliable information. The *pictures* people make are what's supposed to do the "promoting". I don't see why turning the FAQ into a series of *cartoons* would automatically make it better. Also, there's a difference between a FAQ and a tutorial. What you have written are tutorials. Lots of people have written tutorials that reflect their style and their techniques. That's fine. For some newbies that may be a good way to get started. I personally give that kind of documents a quick look-over, usually followed by a big *yawn*. I started to read your tutorial out of curiosity (knowing your attitude and opinion about FAQs...) and it was no exception. The FAQ? I read it from start to finish and didn't find "ASCII art is compact, a few K, not 20, 50, 100 or more K!" half as boring as "Now, let's put the two separate lines together, like this....". > Those "faqs" present people with a > list of "rules", which come across as if they were some kind of edict, or demand. And also explanations. The FAQ doesn't just say "do this!". It also makes an effort to explain *why* you should do things a certain way. In the end nobody can stop you from making as big a fool of yourself as you want. > They are no fun to read. And? > They contain no "how-to" demonstrations. That's what tutorials are for. > They leave > even a new enthusiast with a chill. I see no use for the damn things, except for > the advanced ascii text artist who doesn't need to read them anyway, and even > he/she/it is bound to be bored by them. Again: it's not *meant* to be entertaining, any more than a bus time table is meant to be entertaining. When I read a time table I want correct information. If the time table fails to mention that on Christmas Eve buses go after the Saturday table then there's more than just a slight chance that some people, going by the Friday table, will miss the buss on Christmas Eve. Fortunately for me, the time table for the buses in Örebro Län did have complete and accurate information. Once I got on the bus I opened the Dilbert magazine I had brought with me, because that was an appropriate time for some entertainment. > If you don't like my tutorials, don't read them. As a regular of alt.ascii-art I think it would be bad if you were to promote "just use the letters and symbols on your keyboard" to the newbies. As for you: stop taking every hint of criticism so bloody personally. It is a fact that the method you advice people to use is flawed. Badly flawed! It would be wrong of me *not* to criticise you for it. > You may think they are > "bad", but your opinion merely suffers from a lack of understanding. I didn't say "they". When I wrote my comment you had only posted one. I commented on *one* point in that FAQ. I do not suffer from a lack of understanding of what it means to give newbies the advice to go hunting randomly on their keyboard. Many Swedish keyboards (but not the type I use here at school) contain this character ´ . It is easier to find this particular character on the keyboard than it is to find the similar ASCII character ' . You have seen the result here in this newsgroup. I have seen you comment on exactly this kind of situation, at least twice in the last couple of days. > Ascii art is merely entertainment, not some deep, technical pursuit. Ascii art is "technically" quite simple. Yet people still post pictures made in Arial, pictures containing tabs, pictures containing other no-no characters, pictures that are wrapped (Hey! The text part of your tutorial was badly wrapped at the sending end!). Looking up a character in one of the tables furhter up in this post is not complicated. Explaining why using § to somebody who has this character *on his keyboard* (remember, that is what you advice!) is a bad idea is a bit more complicated, and it wastes everybody's time when it is done in the newsgroup, over and over and over again. > People want > to make it, or look at it, for fun. It's no fun to wade through some techy > document, and receive a set of "laws" that they "better not break". That > just turns people off. My tutorials don't turn people off. Look at Peter > Punk's repost - he says, "This is great!" NO ONE ever said that about those > fucking facks. See my reply to your other version of this rant. > But I hear that, all the time. I'm glad I posted the things > to aaa, if for no other reason, than to garnish one enthusiastic reply... YM "get somebody to applaud you in public". > .... Which is why you chose to flame my tutorial, of course. Go spend some time at Deja! I have criticised this exact same "advice" before, when it was suggested by other people. Again, you are taking things way too personally. Here's some advice to you: Grow a thicker skin or quit reading/posting to newsgroups. > I suggest > you refrain yourself from doing that. Try setting your news reader to > block my posts, if you can't stay off without correkting me. I correct you because what you say is wrong. That's what happens in newsgroups. Live with it! > Or flame me some > more, and the result might be that you will wish you had kept your incorrect > opinions to yourself. It is not an "opinion" that my Swedish keyboard contains the characters §½ÅÄÖ. It is a *fact*. There is nothing "incorrect" about this fact either. The button in the top left corner of my keyboard has as "small letter" the character § and as "big letter" the character ½. When I press that button I get the character §. When I press Shift and that button I get the character ½. Everything works as it should. The only thing _incorrect_ here is your opinion that this _fact_ is an "incorrect opinion" of mine. > The choice is yours. I can be very friendly, or not. You are the one > that determines that. A threat? WOW! I am sooooooooo scared! :D:D:D::D:D:D:D::D:D:D:D:D:D:D > Too bad Pete won't hang around, to keep you entertained. What "Pete" would this be? Surely not the one and only person I ever plonked? *lol* > Without him, you're just a troll, Veronica. Sure, I'm a troll sometimes, but not in this group. > Either behave, or go run new reader/posters > off some other newsgroup. This one is small enough, without your working to > make it smaller. It is not my habit to "run new readers/posters off groups". Also, I don't see on what you base your accusation that I am "working to make this group smaller". Please explain. -- (, http://www.ludd.luth.se/~vk/cgi/asciichat/ /|__--__ . __--__ |\ '__ /|\ _{ _ `.' / `.,_ _________ | _________ _,.' (/ `. / ||``._.' ASCII ART CHAT! `---'|:||,/ .' /| /|:| \ .' /\ \ __ __ _ `/|'\' ` `,/ /`,\ \ \ / /__ _ _ ___ _ _ (_)__ __ _ /,'\ \ .'.' /| \ V / -_) '_/ _ \ ' \| / _/ _` | |\ `.`. ,' / / | \_/\___|_| \___/_||_|_\__\__,_| | \ \ `, - `- -- `-'- -ejm-------------------------------------VK-- -`-' -- -' - ###### From: "smallpackages" Newsgroups: alt.ascii-art References: <8404ni$bve$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <386C9520.5C2E@earthling.net> <386e673e.0@206.103.97.91> <386EA280.25F9@earthling.net> <8u7u6s81pk9r9o172lr250gf0569fqkrq8@4ax.com> Subject: Re: So, You Want To Make Text Art? Lines: 58 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 02 Jan 2000 15:50:03 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.112.99.93 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news2.rdc1.on.home.com 946828203 24.112.99.93 (Sun, 02 Jan 2000 07:50:03 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 02 Jan 2000 07:50:03 PST Organization: @Home Network Canada Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!News.Amsterdam.UnisourceCS!skynet.be!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!nntp.primenet.com!nntp.gctr.net!feeder.via.net!newshub1.home.com!news.home.com!news2.rdc1.on.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.ascii-art:7240 okay, I"m a newbie to ASCII art and so should probably be keeping my mouth shut, but... IMHO BOTH of your methods are sound--the FAQ's and the chart are great for those who are more technical minded, whereas the how-to's are great for the more artistically minded.... I'm finding BOTH helpful §¦»)....I don't think the keyboard type really matters, since most are multilingual...I have mine set for three different languages...I just change as I need to depending on what I"m doing I think (and this is JUST my observation) that if you two ever decided to team up on teaching we'd ALL be "experts" since between you you can teach anyone, no matter what type of learning they are best at..... I"m sorry if this offends anyone, it isn't meant to....I"m just trying to learn how to make more small (4 lines or less) ASCII pics instead of having to wait around for someone else to make what I want/need and then talking them into letting me use it... __(.)< __(.)< __(.)= Ain't that \___) \___) \___) just ducky? -- OF COURSE I'm a brat lol %HGLForever, %KimberBoh ICQ 12890816 Host/Trainer/Director HGL Cribbage TR5 "Lennert Stock" wrote in message news:8u7u6s81pk9r9o172lr250gf0569fqkrq8@4ax.com... > On Sun, 02 Jan 2000 01:57:36 +0100, Veronica Karlsson > wrote: > > >Joris Bellenger French keyboard? > >Armando Franzao Portugese keyboard? > >Veronica Karlsson Swedish keyboard. > >Maija Finnish keyboard? > >Dariusz Sieradzki Polish keyboard? > >Valery Silivanov Russian keyboard? > >Lennert Stock Dutch keyboard? > >Theo van Eck Dutch keyboard? > >Hayley Jane Wakenshaw Dutch keyboard? > > I'm using a Logitech Cordless Keyboard using English (USA) or Dutch > settings. With the latter you can do some silly stuff like typing '"' and > 'a' and it becomes an a with an umlaut (very irritating when html-ing for > instance, I usually turn it off). > > Cheers, > -- > |"""""""i"""""""""""""i"""""""""""""i"""""""""""""i"""""""""""""i"""""""| > |""3D"""""X"""""3D"""""X"""""3D"""""X"""""3D"""""X"""""3D"""""X"""""3D""| > |["""""""""]X["""""""""]X["""""""""]X["""""""""]X["""""""""]X["""""""""]| > |"XXX""SIG"""XXX""SIG"""XXX""SIG"""XXX""SIG"""XXX""SIG"""XXX""SIG"""XXX"| > |""""XXX"""""""XXX"""""""XXX"""""""XXX"""""""XXX"""""""XXX"""""""XXX""""| > |X["LS"]XXX["LS"]XXX["LS"]XXX["LS"]XXX["LS"]XXX["LS"]XXX["LS"]XXX["LS"]X| > |"XXXXX"""XXXXX"""XXXXX"""XXXXX"""XXXXX"""XXXXX"""XXXXX"""XXXXX"""XXXXX"| > |XXX""XXXXX""XXXXX""XXXXX""XXXXX""XXXXX""XXXXX""XXXXX""XXXXX""XXXXX""XXX| > ###### From: djwilson@iinet.net.au (Doug & Jaana Wilson) Newsgroups: alt.ascii-art Subject: Re: So, You Want To Make Text Art? Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2000 00:59:22 +0800 Organization: DJ Grafix & Design Approved: mountain@dew.rules Message-ID: References: <8404ni$bve$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <386C9520.5C2E@earthling.net> <386e673e.0@206.103.97.91> <386EA280.25F9@earthling.net> <386F0346.9AB412B7@gtcom.net> <386F08E6.7BB1@earthling.net> <386f48ac.0@206.103.97.91> <386F7294.7C46@earthling.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: perax1-223.dialup.optusnet.com.au X-Trace: news1.mpx.com.au 946832383 15270 198.142.137.223 (2 Jan 2000 16:59:43 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@mpx.com.au NNTP-Posting-Date: 2 Jan 2000 16:59:43 GMT X-Newsreader: MT-NewsWatcher 2.4.4 X-Face: ">Mdu/=]i36m@5uhcyBtp*.[Tf4(5{Qg%B.{IrmhU0eRQoNIG`9K-YCZ:L@8< )0F/S7#<;0-{GuJYig,[&wb[s"AG, Veronica Karlsson wrote: > I still don't see the need for something quite simple, and yes, a little > "techy", to be *entertaining*. I've been lurking here for almost two years now. Have greatly enjoyed the newsgroup. Have seen all forms of FAQ and frankly I happen to like JRO's new one the best simply because it is entertaining. A little humor is a great way to make people feel welcome. -- Zen Master to hotdog vendor: "Make me one with everything." ###### From: Veronica Karlsson Newsgroups: alt.ascii-art Subject: Re: So, You Want To Make Text Art? Date: Sun, 02 Jan 2000 18:29:32 +0100 Organization: University of Lulea, Sweden Lines: 145 Message-ID: <386F8AFC.3F82@earthling.net> References: <8404ni$bve$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <386C9520.5C2E@earthling.net> <386e673e.0@206.103.97.91> <386EA280.25F9@earthling.net> <386F0346.9AB412B7@gtcom.net> <386F08E6.7BB1@earthling.net> <386f48ac.0@206.103.97.91> <386F7294.7C46@earthling.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: my21.sm.luth.se Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: news.luth.se 946834173 2390 130.240.3.51 (2 Jan 2000 17:29:33 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@luth.se NNTP-Posting-Date: 2 Jan 2000 17:29:33 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (X11; I; SunOS 5.7 sun4m) Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!News.Amsterdam.UnisourceCS!newshunter!cosy.sbg.ac.at!newsfeed.Austria.EU.net!nmaster.kpnqwest.net!npeer.kpnqwest.net!blackbush.xlink.net!news-MUC.ecrc.net!feed2.news.luth.se!news.luth.se!luth.se!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.ascii-art:7220 Doug & Jaana Wilson wrote: > Veronica Karlsson wrote: > > > I still don't see the need for something quite simple, and yes, a little > > "techy", to be *entertaining*. > > I've been lurking here for almost two years now. Have greatly enjoyed the > newsgroup. Have seen all forms of FAQ and frankly I happen to like JRO's > new one the best simply because it is entertaining. A little humor is a > great way to make people feel welcome. > I hope they still feel welcome when they receive their fifth "You have used a non-standard character. Please don't do that again." comment after following the "advice" in his tutorial to use whatever characters they happen to have on their keyboard... That's the method I used when I created these pictures: ___ __ __ |888|B§||||||.:| |888|U§||||||::| |888|G§||||||::| |888|A§||||||::| |888|R§||||||::| |888|I§||||||:'| §§§§§ §§§§§§§ § . . § @ ^ @ \ - / |"| .-----' `-----. ' ` | | | | .""""". | | | | """"" | | | | """"" | | | | """ | | | | " | | | | | | Did I get flamed for them? Yes! Were the flames justified? Yes. Did I learn not to do that? Yes. Do I know what it feels like to get such "corrections" in public? Yes. JRO is creating the opportunity for himself to correct people that way. He does that sort of thing? Yes. This is from yesterday: JRO wrote: :mine wrote: :> :> %·¸ ¸·% :> %*%\ /%*% :> %*%\ /%*% :> %*%\ /%*% :> %*%\/%*% :> ¸%%%%%%¸ :> · · :> ' Õ Õ ' :> '( =ß= )' :> `. ·-· .´ :> `·..·´ :> Mine 1999 : :It's posting just fine, "Mine". However, you got :a handful of extended characters in there. When :posting here, try to edit those things out, first. :Here's some suggested replacements: : : %%\ /%% : %*%\ /%*% : %*%\ /%*% : %*%\ /%*% : %*%\/%*% : :%%%%%%; : ' ` : ' @ @ ' : '( =o= )' : `. "-" .' : `-...- : Mine 1999 and this is from today: JRO wrote: :MJP wrote: :> Wesley Dooley wrote: :> > :> > ¸{>©<}¸ :> > ¸§§§§§¸ :> > §§ð"𧧠:> > §§( ô )§§ :> > §§§) (§§§ :> > §§(^¤^)§§ :> > §§§)'(§§§ :> > §§( )§§ :> :> ¸{>©<}¸ :> ¸§§§§§¸ :> §§ð"𧧠:> §§( ô )§§ :> _\__§§§) (§§§___/_ :> =)____(^¤^)____( = :> §§§)'(§§§ :> §§( )§§ :> / /\ \ :> ( / \ ) :> _/ / \ \_ :> ( \/ \/ ) :> \_) (_/ :> : :Looks like you doan need my he'p, atall. MJP seems to have :fixed that up fer you, jus' swell. : :'Cept for one point - you posted extended (alt+number) characters. :No big deal, but we doan do that, here. Next time, please try to :leave them thangs out, or email fer he'p. Me, er sumbody, will be :happy to help out. I'm not saying that he planned anything. I'm just noting that he doesn't mind correcting others, but when the criticism is aimed at him then the person who criticises is evil and out to humiliate him personally!!! [Please note that the Bad Character thing is the _only_ point in his tutorial that I am criticising. I'm getting long rants in return from him because he doesn't like getting criticised, especially by me, for some reason only he knows. This is not the first time this has happened, though it's been kept in email before.] -- (, http://www.ludd.luth.se/~vk/cgi/asciichat/ /|__--__ . __--__ |\ '__ /|\ _{ _ `.' / `.,_ _________ | _________ _,.' (/ `. / ||``._.' ASCII ART CHAT! `---'|:||,/ .' /| /|:| \ .' /\ \ __ __ _ `/|'\' ` `,/ /`,\ \ \ / /__ _ _ ___ _ _ (_)__ __ _ /,'\ \ .'.' /| \ V / -_) '_/ _ \ ' \| / _/ _` | |\ `.`. ,' / / | \_/\___|_| \___/_||_|_\__\__,_| | \ \ `, - `- -- `-'- -ejm-------------------------------------VK-- -`-' -- -' - ###### Message-ID: <386F9BF8.59B3473@sympatico.ca> From: Pete Casso Organization: Frogstein and Birdstein Productions X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.ascii-art Subject: Re: So, You Want To Make Text Art? References: <8404ni$bve$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <386C9520.5C2E@earthling.net> <386e673e.0@206.103.97.91> <386EA280.25F9@earthling.net> <386F0346.9AB412B7@gtcom.net> <386F08E6.7BB1@earthling.net> <386f48ac.0@206.103.97.91> <386F7294.7C46@earthling.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 11 Date: Sun, 02 Jan 2000 18:39:08 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.172.244.131 X-Trace: news20.bellglobal.com 946838348 206.172.244.131 (Sun, 02 Jan 2000 13:39:08 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 02 Jan 2000 13:39:08 EDT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news.datacomm.ch!newsmaster-01.vbs.at!newscore.univie.ac.at!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!news1.bellglobal.com!news20.bellglobal.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.ascii-art:7221 > What "Pete" would this be? Surely not the one and only person I ever > plonked? *lol* > > > Without him, you're just a troll, Veronica. > > Sure, I'm a troll sometimes, but not in this group. Everytime we had a debate, you ran out of arguments, Veronicastein, that's what JRO hinted at. The plonk went de facto the other way around. Visit the 'steins at http://www3.sympatico.ca/petecasso/ ###### From: mikechatremove@best.com (MJP) Newsgroups: alt.ascii-art Subject: Re: So, You Want To Make Text Art? Date: 02 Jan 2000 17:50:46 EST Organization: Concentric Internet Services Lines: 56 Message-ID: <386f6bcc.23006563@news.concentric.net> References: <8404ni$bve$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <4ej76scqklib28d7lvkdvce97dhq2j9jq2@4ax.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.220.139.117 X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!News.Amsterdam.UnisourceCS!newshunter!cosy.sbg.ac.at!news-feed.inet.tele.dk!bofh.vszbr.cz!newsfeed.stanford.edu!paloalto-snf1.gtei.net!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newsfeed.concentric.net!global-news-master Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.ascii-art:7269 What ASCII stands for American Standard Code Information Interchange. ASCII is comprised of a set of characters common to all keyboard systems, in this that means that anyone viewing the posts to alt.ascii-art will be able to see what others have posted. If you have a nonstandard keyboard, please refer to the table at the bottom of this document for a list of the ASCII characters, and their numerical assignment. Fonts used are a different consideration, and to view the text correctly on alt.ascii-art you will need to choose one that sets spacing the same for each character. Commonly used fonts are Courier New, and Fixedsys, among others. If you are having trouble setting the news reader that you have to a fixed width font, requesting assistance of the group with specifics is a good way to get help from someone who has the same software, or who will recommend another software to try. the list of ASCII character + codes 32 SP 33 ! 34 " 35 # 36 $ 37 % 38 & 39 ' 40 ( 41 ) 42 * 43 + 44 , 45 - 46 . 47 / 48 0 49 1 50 2 51 3 52 4 53 5 54 6 55 7 56 8 57 9 58 : 59 ; 60 < 61 = 62 > 63 ? 64 @ 65 A 66 B 67 C 68 D 69 E 70 F 71 G 72 H 73 I 74 J 75 K 76 L 77 M 78 N 79 O 80 P 81 Q 82 R 83 S 84 T 85 U 86 V 87 W 88 X 89 Y 90 Z 91 [ 92 \ 93 ] 94 ^ 95 _ 96 ` 97 a 98 b 99 c 100 d 101 e 102 f 103 g 104 h 105 i 106 j 107 k 108 l 109 m 110 n 111 o 112 p 113 q 114 r 115 s 116 t 117 u 118 v 119 w 120 x 121 y 122 z 123 { 124 | 125 } 126 ~ ________________________________________________________ Hope this helps Best reguards, MJP __.-~---_ mikechat __)/ > O ( @ ) / /|\ )" best.com ) | ^ ^ ^| )_\ ^ ^ ( )\ ^ ^ \ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~ ~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~ ~~~MJP~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~ ###### From: ppunk@damnthatspam.hetnet.nl (Peter Punk) Subject: Re: So, You Want To Make Text Art? Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2000 00:16:34 +0100 Organization: Total Disorganisation Message-ID: References: <8404ni$bve$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <386C9520.5C2E@earthling.net> <386e673e.0@206.103.97.91> <386EA280.25F9@earthling.net> <386F0346.9AB412B7@gtcom.net> <386F08E6.7BB1@earthling.net> <386f48ac.0@206.103.97.91> <386F7294.7C46@earthling.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.7/32.534 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Newsgroups: alt.ascii-art NNTP-Posting-Host: hrv0363-1.dial.wxs.nl 195.121.187.107 Lines: 88 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!oleane!newsfeed.wirehub.nl!teufel.wirehub.nl!xs4all!news1.kpn.net!master.news.hetnet.nl!news1.hetnet.nl Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.ascii-art:7284 On Sun, 02 Jan 2000 16:45:24 +0100, Veronica Karlsson provoked the following text: >> Most people post or read alt.ascii-art, for >> enjoyment. They don't have Swedish keyboards. > >Most Swedish computer users have Swedish keyboards. And I would expect >most Finnish computer users to have Finnish keyboards, and most Spanish >computer users to have Spanish keyboards, etc. The world *is* bigger >than just northern America. Here's my 2 bits worth: most people in Holland use a US-standard keyboard layout. >> They use standard >> ones; 90-something percent of them do. > >Here's that "90%" figure I mentioned in that other reply. Again: Is it >based on fact or did you invent it? (the fact that it's "90" here and >"99" in the other version would suggest that you invented it) I think it's fact, however i never saw any statistics on the use of keyboard layouts. >| No, no, no, MUST'NT use ones that are not on the chart! | It's that condescending tone of that sentece that puts me off... >> They would like a plain, simple explanation. The simpler, the better. >IMO a plain list of the "good" characters is quite simple. It's not just the chars, it's the how-to they/we want. A list of rules isn't enough by far. >> Their interest in text-art is for pure entertainment. >That's not a good excuse for giving bad advice, especially not since the >subject is quite simple anyway. You don't need any simplification. You >accused the FAQ of "looking down on" people. Well, you treat people as >if they're not intelligent enough to read a simple list... They are, and my guess is that they already read your list since you send it to evey newcomer you come across. >> They need basic help, that is easy >> and entertaining to read. That's how you interest people in text art - not by >> confronting them with a set of "rules", and no real how-to advice. >I still don't see the need for something quite simple, and yes, a little >"techy", to be *entertaining*. Not everyone gets entertained by techy-stuff. I agee with JRO, people want to know how to make their own art, and they want to start ASAP so a simple FAQ is highly preferrable over a do's and don'ts list. >> Your "not intended to be bad" advice, doesn't interest or promote the >> beginner ascii artist - it discourages him. > >It's not supposed to "interest or promote" anything. It's supposed to >give the reader some reliable information. The *pictures* people make >are what's supposed to do the "promoting". I don't see why turning the >FAQ into a series of *cartoons* would automatically make it better. It shows people how ASCI-art is being built, many people haven't got the foggiest idea on how to even start makeing a pic. >Also, there's a difference between a FAQ and a tutorial. What you have >written are tutorials. And that tutorial has been inspired by one of the most Frequently Asked Questions around, being "i want to start making my own ASCII-art but i don't know how to start". That's exactly what a FAQ should be, a list of the most Frequently Asked Questions and the answers to them. >> They are no fun to read. >And? So they won't stick. You read them once and forget them. Only thing that will remain is the feeling it gave you when you read it. -- Peter Punk \ / ---\\\\--- / \ UNIX is not necessarily evil, like OS/2. - Peter Norton ###### From: "Prudence" Newsgroups: alt.ascii-art Subject: Re: So, You Want To Make Text Art? Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2000 20:25:12 -0500 Lines: 70 Message-ID: <84otog$2hf$1@bob.news.rcn.net> References: <8404ni$bve$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <386C9520.5C2E@earthling.net> <386e673e.0@206.103.97.91> <386EA280.25F9@earthling.net> <386F0346.9AB412B7@gtcom.net> <386F08E6.7BB1@earthling.net> <386f48ac.0@206.103.97.91> <386F7294.7C46@earthling.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: l1LKVRGKv5t8ddls5KbtNZbRWQh9g5bmg6JyXwTskmU= X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 3 Jan 2000 01:24:32 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!News.Amsterdam.UnisourceCS!skynet.be!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!howland.erols.net!outgoing.news.rcn.net.MISMATCH!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.ascii-art:7263 Veronica Karlsson wrote in message news:386F7294.7C46@earthling.net... > The group is less "strict" today than it was a couple of years ago, back > when I came to the conclusion that this is one of the friendliest groups > out there. I find some of the sugar-sweet back-patting that seems to be > some regulars' main contribution to this group quite sickening. I mean, > it's nice when people applaud good pictures, but some people seem to > have made a career out of it... * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * / _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ ___ \ * |_ | /\ |\/| |_ |_) |_ | /\ |_) | \ /\ |\ | | * | |_ /--\ | | |_ | \ |_ | /--\ | \ |_/ /--\ | \| | * * _ _ __ _ ___ * |_) /\ |_) / ._ /__ |_) | | | * \ |_) /--\ | \ | | \_| | \ _|_ |_ |_ / * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * My dear, you are way too nice to all the ascii art people, thus causing a string of maladies such as upset stomach, severe yawning and a few random belches. There was even rumoured to be excessive farting! But of course I have, dear! Haven't you read FAQ #3 clearly states that the ascii the FAQS? newsgroup people enjoy reading: "hey-guys-love-your-work-type messages!" / / I was unable to distinguish between all / the culturally different digestive systems. / Do you suppose there is a remedy for / this level of intolerance??? / ' ~ ` ' . .```- '~ ` ~ `~ `c _\ ___ ~)- ` ~ ~ ` \ . \`/ ___ \ * ~ ' ` _) ( ,|_ \./ ) (~. ~` / = /_/ _|`\( ~ `.` | `\ / / \ \ /`/'.' ____|___\ \/ /_________\ \/ /_________ Pru \__/ __ /_/ \__/ \ /_/ \ ________________________________________\ ###### From: "Prudence" Newsgroups: alt.ascii-art Subject: Re: So, You Want To Make Text Art? Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2000 20:57:46 -0500 Lines: 73 Message-ID: <84ovll$h4u$1@bob.news.rcn.net> References: <8404ni$bve$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <386C9520.5C2E@earthling.net> <386e673e.0@206.103.97.91> <386EA280.25F9@earthling.net> <386F0346.9AB412B7@gtcom.net> <386F08E6.7BB1@earthling.net> <386f48ac.0@206.103.97.91> <386F7294.7C46@earthling.net> <84otog$2hf$1@bob.news.rcn.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: 5TaYu3Zlu3Da4Lt05XTFhLQpS9Y3pH6sryGxOXwEET4= X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 3 Jan 2000 01:57:09 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!News.Amsterdam.UnisourceCS!newshunter!cosy.sbg.ac.at!newsfeed.Austria.EU.net!nmaster.kpnqwest.net!npeer.kpnqwest.net!EU.net!howland.erols.net!outgoing.news.rcn.net.MISMATCH!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.ascii-art:7264 Prudence wrote in message news:84otog$2hf$1@bob.news.rcn.net... > > Veronica Karlsson wrote in message > news:386F7294.7C46@earthling.net... > > The group is less "strict" today than it was a couple of years ago, > back > > when I came to the conclusion that this is one of the friendliest > groups > > out there. I find some of the sugar-sweet back-patting that seems to > be > > some regulars' main contribution to this group quite sickening. I > mean, > > it's nice when people applaud good pictures, but some people seem to > > have made a career out of it... ooops...wrong version...heres the fix ___ __ / _/ / / ___ _ __ _ ___ / _/ / / / _ `/ / ' \/ -_) /_/ /_/ \_,_/ /_/_/_/\__/ ___ __ __ __ / _ \ ___ / /_ ___ _ ____ ___/ / ___ _ ___ / /_ / , _// -_)/ __// _ `/ / __// _ / / _ `/ / _ \/ __/ /_/|_| \__/ \__/ \_,_/ /_/ \_,_/ \_,_/ /_//_/\__/ ___ __ _____ _ __ __ / _ ) ___ _ ____ /_/ ___ / ___/ ____ (_) / / / / / _ |/ _ `/ / __/ / _ \ / (_ / / __/ / / / / / / /____/ \_,_/ /_/ /_//_/ \___/ /_/ /_/ /_/ /_/ My dear, you are way too nice to all the ascii art people, thus causing a string of maladies such as upset stomach, severe yawning and a few random belches. There was even rumoured to be excessive farting! Haven't you read the FAQS? / / / / But of course I have, dear! ' ~ ` ' . / FAQ #3 clearly states that .```- '~ ` ~ `~ the ascii newsgroup people `c _\ ___ ~)- ` ~ ~ ` enjoy reading: "hey-guys- \ . \`/ ___ \ * ~ ' ` love-your-work-type messages!" _) ( ,|_ \./ ) (~. ~` I was unable to distinguish / = /_/ _|`\( ~ `.` between all the culturally | `\ / / \ \ /`/'.' different digestive systems. ____|___\ \/ /_________\ \/ /_________ Do you suppose there is a Pru \__/ __ /_/ \__/ \ a remedy for this level /_/ \ of intolerance? ________________________________________\ ###### From: JRO Newsgroups: alt.ascii-art Subject: Re: So, You Want To Make Text Art? Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2000 04:15:57 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 799 Message-ID: <84p7pi$gej$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <8404ni$bve$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <386C9520.5C2E@earthling.net> <386e673e.0@206.103.97.91> <386EA280.25F9@earthling.net> <386F0346.9AB412B7@gtcom.net> <386F08E6.7BB1@earthling.net> <386f48ac.0@206.103.97.91> <386F7294.7C46@earthling.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.226.27.54 X-Article-Creation-Date: Mon Jan 03 04:15:57 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; Windows 95; DigExt) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x22.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 216.226.27.54 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDtwelfwisp Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!enews.sgi.com!korova.insync.net!newsfeed.enteract.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.ascii-art:7257 __. \|.-' \\ "BOYS!" / . _/ () |` /\~()_) \\ \_ //\ \ | _/ /) __\/ (___ (\///\ / \ \ / / \ \___/ / \/\/\/ \ / / / | \../ | \ / jro ( Egad, not again. ) O __ o / \\ o / \\ \__/ \__/ \ \\ (oo) (oo) \____\\/~~\_/~~\_ _.-~===========~-._ (___________________) \_______/ __. \|.-' \\ / . _/ () "Would you handle this impertinent, |` /\~()_) self-admitted newsgroup troll, for me?" \\ \_ //\ __ \ | _/ ///) __\/ (___ /)//// / \ \ / / \ \___/ / \/\/\/ \/ / / | \../ | \ / jro "Well, set this thing down, Qurblx, and let's get started." __ / / \\ / / \\ \__/ \__/ \ \\ (oo) (oo) \____\\/~~\_/~~\_ _.-~===========~-._ (___________________) / \_______/ \ / \ O O Veronica Karlsson wrote in message news:386F7294.7C46@earthling.net... > The first paragraph of the letter was four lines. The first paragraph of > the post was one line. *shrug* > > I still haven't read it. I'll do that now. :-) > \__/ \__/ /) (__) (__)// .//()\\ .//() / \ .\\__// .\\__/ "Yeah, sure she will, Zmpfltz. ||\\ |||| For a second time." ||// |||| (_)_) (_)(_) > For people with American keyboards, *maybe*. For people with, e.g. > Swedish keyboards it was Bad Advice. "Qurblx, her brainpan nodule does not seem to contain the simple information about what ASCII stands for." / \__/ \__/ (oo) /) (__) .//~~\\// .//()\\ \ .\\__/\/ .\\__//"No surprise, there. Which is ||\\ |||| really all that needs be said. |||| |||| Point, match, game - Zowie!" (_)(_) (_)(_) > Most Swedish computer users have Swedish keyboards. And I would expect > most Finnish computer users to have Finnish keyboards, and most Spanish > computer users to have Spanish keyboards, etc. The world *is* bigger > than just northern America. "Yes, I suppose there is more than just North America..." / "But since more computers are there, than / everywhere else in the world, and since / most ALL of them use ASCII, instead of \__/ SSCII, I think foreign language keyboards (__) can be foregone, unless users of them (\//()\\ specifically request assistance." \/\__// \__/ / |||| (oo) |||| .//~~\\ _____(_)(_)______//\__/\\ _______ "" //\\ "" \\// (_)(_) "You know, it is just simple fact that most computers "speak" English. Air traffic controllers do, too. Most people who speak the wide variety of other languages adapt to this fact, quite well... Even if they are "New" (to ascii)." / / "True." \__/ \__/ / (oo) (oo) .//~~\\/) .//~~\\ .\\__/\/ .\\__// |||| ||\\ |||| ||// ___(_)(_)_______(_)_)______ > Here's that "90%" figure I mentioned in that other reply. Again: Is it > based on fact or did you invent it? (the fact that it's "90" here and > "99" in the other version would suggest that you invented it) "So what?" \__/ / \__/ (__) (__) (\//()\\/) .//()\\ \ \/\__/\/ .\\__// "Yes, it is a reasonably |||| |||| accurate figure, any way |||| |||| you look at it." (_)(_) (_)(_) > [This is where I stopped reading. I've seen your multi-page rants before > and know what they look like...] "Multi-page rants" She writes English quite well, doesn't she?" / \__/ /) \__/ (__)// (__) .//() / .//()\\/) .\\__/ .\\__/\/ \ |||| ||\\ "Yes, a pity she doesn't read or under- |||| ||// stand it, so good. She only knows (_)(_) (_)_) what it "looks like". > And the thing they should "be confronted with" is this: > > ================================================================= > | | > | 32 SP | 33 ! | 34 " | 35 # | 36 $ | 37 % | 38 & | 39 ' | > | 40 ( | 41 ) | 42 * | 43 + | 44 , | 45 - | 46 . | 47 / | > | 48 0 | 49 1 | 50 2 | 51 3 | 52 4 | 53 5 | 54 6 | 55 7 | > | 56 8 | 57 9 | 58 : | 59 ; | 60 < | 61 = | 62 > | 63 ? | > | 64 @ | 65 A | 66 B | 67 C | 68 D | 69 E | 70 F | 71 G | > | 72 H | 73 I | 74 J | 75 K | 76 L | 77 M | 78 N | 79 O | > | 80 P | 81 Q | 82 R | 83 S | 84 T | 85 U | 86 V | 87 W | > | 88 X | 89 Y | 90 Z | 91 [ | 92 \ | 93 ] | 94 ^ | 95 _ | > | 96 ` | 97 a | 98 b | 99 c |100 d |101 e |102 f |103 g | > |104 h |105 i |106 j |107 k |108 l |109 m |110 n |111 o | > |112 p |113 q |114 r |115 s |116 t |117 u |118 v |119 w | > |120 x |121 y |122 z |123 { |124 | |125 } |126 ~ | | > | | > | No, no, no, MUST'NT use ones that are not on the chart! | > | | > ================================================================= > > That's not particularly "techy". It's just a simple list. If you don't > like that the characters are numbered, just shorten it down to something > like this: > > ================================== > ASCII character chart for dummies: > ================================== > |This chart should be symmetrical! > | If it isn't, change your font | "Have you seen this thing before, > |til the i's and the m's line up.| Zmpfltz? It's the best one I've seen." > | | / > |iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii|_/ > |mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm|o) > | (\// > | SP ! " # $ % & ' \/ > | ( ) * + , - . / | > | 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 | > | 8 9 : ; < = > ? | > | @ A B C D E F G | > | H I J K L M N O | > | P Q R S T U V W | > | X Y Z [ \ ] ^ _ | > | ` a b c d e f g | "I quite agree, except for > | h i j k l m n o | the "threat" at the bottom." > | p q r s t u v w | / > | x y z { | } ~ | \_/ > | | (o_) > | SP stands for Space bar | /\\) > | | \// > | No, no, no, you MUSTN'T use | (/| > | ones that are not on the chart!///|| > ================================\(_)_) > kick! > But... look! llizard already did that bit of the job for you! All you > need to do is a quick copy-paste of one of the tables above. Very techy > - not! > > > > IMO a plain list of the "good" characters is quite simple. > "`1234567890-=~!@#$%^&*()_+qwertyui op[]QWERTYUIOP{}asdfghjkl;'ASDFGH JKL:"zxcvbnm,./\ZXCVBNM<>?|...." / \__/ \__/ (__) (__) .//()\\ .//()\\ \ .\\__// .\\__//"It IS accurate, but it |||| |||| doesn't quite "sing"..." |||| |||| (_)(_) (_)(_) > That's not a good excuse for giving bad advice, especially not since the > subject is quite simple anyway. You don't need any simplification. You > accused the FAQ of "looking down on" people. Well, you treat people as > if they're not intelligent enough to read a simple list... "No, the Boss treats people as if they are intelligent enough to wish for the simplest, most entertaining answers he can give them, realizing that both children and grown-ups are bored by unnecessary, intensive study of something that is supposed to be a fun hobby." / "Yes! AND he doesn't even look down on YOU!" \__/ \__/ / (oo) (oo) .//~~\\ (\//~~\\/) .\\__// \/\__/\/ |||| .//|| |||| .\\|| (_)(_) (_(_) > I still don't see the need for something quite simple, and yes, a little > "techy", to be *entertaining*. "Snrkk...No surprise, there. Veronica thinks it's a blast, to read source code on web pages, and write total strangers about the mistakes on their personal home pages. For most Earthlings, such a diversion is just not what they would call "a good time"." / \__/ \__/ (__) (oo) /) .//()\\ .//~~\\// .\\__// .\\__/\/ |||| |||| |||| |||| (_)(_) (_)(_) > Good! (I just wonder one thing: How many of the people who read them go > on to post pictures containing § or ½ or Ö and then get flamed for it?) "If some do, so what? "Yes, they may get a nice repost or email an easily correctable from the Boss (or somebody) recommending mistake." that they avoid the use of extended characters. \ there is NO REASON to flame someone, for that." \ / \__/ /) \__/ (__)// (__) .//() / .//()\\ .\\__/ .\\__// ||\\ |||| ||// |||| (_)_) (_)(_) > How can they be "better" if they give out incorrect information (you're > basically telling me, or any other Swede, to use characters like Å, Ä > and Ö in my pictures)? > > > And? I communicate in email with people you know. People communicate > with each other. That's part of this whole newsgroup thing... *shrug* > > > I don't see how ascii art is any less "real" than any other art. The > fact that somebody earns money making pictures is no guarantee that he > is any better at making pictures than somebody else, who doesn't sell > his pictures for money. "No, but when professionals seem to find little use for your methods of "helping" them, but seem to prefer the Boss's, it is an indication that perhaps you should consider adopting better methods." \ "Indeed." \ / \__/ \__/ (__) (__) .//()\\ .//()\\/) .\\__// .\\__/\/ |||| ||\\ |||| ||// (_)(_) (_)_) > I haven't counted (I've been too busy making pictures of my own). "That is a strange remark, coming from someone who primarily posts acidic "advice", "argumentative critiques", and "flames" to this little newsgroup." "You should post ascii, instead! The / Boss will even send you his tutorials, / to help get you started!" \__/ \__/ / (oo) (oo) .//~~\\ (\//~~\\/) .\\__// \/\__/\/ |||| //\\ |||| |||| (_)(_) (_)(_) > The group is less "strict" today than it was a couple of years ago, back > when I came to the conclusion that this is one of the friendliest groups > out there. I find some of the sugar-sweet back-patting that seems to be > some regulars' main contribution to this group quite sickening. I mean, > it's nice when people applaud good pictures, but some people seem to > have made a career out of it... "Oh my, Qurblx. She is sickened, every time someone reposts approbation's to someone else's "I know, Zmpfltz. Green is the correct nice, little computer text color for us Martians, but it denotes art picture, and puerile towards jealousy, when it tinges these poor the readers who show their Humano-Sub-Creatures. We have seen this appreciation to them." reaction from Veronica, before. She is / jealous towards everyone who ever made / something SHE didn't... Pathetic." \__/ \__/ / (__) (\ (__) .//()\\// .//()\\ .\\__/\/ .\\__// |||| |||| |||| |||| (_)(_) (_)(_) > Which is fine - until you start throwing out bad advice and causing > people to develop bad habits. Once you figure out that § makes very nice > hair, it's hard to stop using it... "Qurblx! We have located her ACTUAL problem! She's having a BAD HAIR DAY!" "You are a genius, Zmpfltz! That / is easily rectified, if she will / acquire a toaster oven!" (\ \__/ /) \__/ / .\\(__)// (oo) /) \ () / .//~~\\// \__/ .\\__/\/ .//\\ //\\ .// \\ // // (_) (_) (_)(_) > I WISH somebody had shown me to the HTML FAQ *before* I made a complete > mess of my homepage! It took me a YEAR to un-learn and learn better ways > to do things. That's *many* hours' work down the drain. HTML is so > simple, yet when you start making tables of everything, and splitting up > images, and counting pixels, and setting fonts, and then watch the whole > thing fall apart... *sigh* > > I wouldn't consider it "a rude slap in the face". I *really* don't see > where that opinion comes from. "This is NOT an html tutorial, "And that "opinion" is derrived from and that subject is extraneous many emails, which say the faqs to this post." were of no real help. And from the \ observation of how they are thrown at \ newcomers (to ascii), who don't come back." \ / \__/ \__/ (oo) (oo) (\//~~\\ .//~~\\ \/\__// .\\__// |||| |||| |||| |||| (_)(_) (_)(_) > It's not supposed to "interest or promote" anything. It's supposed to > give the reader some reliable information. The *pictures* people make > are what's supposed to do the "promoting". I don't see why turning the > FAQ into a series of *cartoons* would automatically make it better. "This part is no good. Considering most of her posts are flames, she CERTAINLY isn't out to promote anything! She thinks Terro-Beings should just look at her very "This part down here, occasional "arts", and ignore her is no good, either. rude replies, but be "inspired". She has finally And I think pretty much everyone discovered the Boss would agree that her post now wrote some tutorials, looks a LOT better with US all instead of a FACK. And over it." apparently, she just \ read his post to flame it. \__/ \__/ / (__) (_o) .//()\\/) (/\\ .\\__/\/ | \\ |||| ||\\) |||| ||//. `t (_)(_) (_(_).-' > Also, there's a difference be ween a FAQ and a tutorial. What you have > written are tutorials. Lots of people have written tutorials that > reflect their style and their techniques. That's fine. For some newbies > that may be a good way to get started. I personally give that kind of > documents a quick look-over, usually followed by a big *yawn*. I started > to read your tutorial out of curiosity (knowing your attitude and > opinion about FAQs...) and it was no exception. The FAQ? I read it from > start to finish and didn't find "ASCII art is compact, a few K, not 20, > 50, 100 or more K!" half as boring as "Now, let's put the two separate > lines together, like this....". > > > And also explanations. The FAQ doesn't just say "do this!". It also > makes an effort to explain *why* you should do things a certain way. In > the end nobody can stop you from making as big a fool of yourself as you > want. "No, that FACK thing tells people "Don't Do This!"... "Don't Do That!"... "We Don't Have Time For You!" / "True." \__/ \__/ / (__) (__) .//()\\ (\//()\\ .\\__// \/\__// |||| .//|| |||| .\\|| (_)(_) (_(_) > And? > > > That's what tutorials are for. > > > Again: it's not *meant* to be entertaining, any more than a bus time > table is meant to be entertaining. When I read a time table I want > correct information. If the time table fails to mention that on > Christmas Eve buses go after the Saturday table then there's more than > just a slight chance that some people, going by the Friday table, will > miss the buss on Christmas Eve. Fortunately for me, the time table for > the buses in Örebro Län did have complete and accurate information. Once > I got on the bus I opened the Dilbert magazine I had brought with me, > because that was an appropriate time for some entertainment. "She is sure mad about "Yes, and no wonder she never entertains having to ride the bus." anyone. She inferrs ascii art time is not \ the appropriate time for entertainment." \ / \__/ /) \__/ (__)// (__) .//() / .//()\\ .\\__/ .\\__// ||\\ |||| || \\ |||| (_) (_) (_)(_) > As a regular of alt.ascii-art I think it would be bad if you were to > promote "just use the letters and symbols on your keyboard" to the > newbies. As for you: stop taking every hint of criticism so bloody > personally. It is a fact that the method you advice people to use is > flawed. Badly flawed! It would be wrong of me *not* to criticise you for > it. "The Boss's methods work. Yours don't. The only wrong thing you have done, is open his post and reply. Next time, don't. He don't read yours." / \__/ \__/ /)o) \ (__) .//~~\\ "Snicker, .//()\\ "\__// Snicker." .\\__// |||| |||| |||| |||| (_)(_) (_)(_) > I didn't say "they". When I wrote my comment you had only posted one. I > commented on *one* point in that FAQ. I do not suffer from a lack of > understanding of what it means to give newbies the advice to go hunting > randomly on their keyboard. Many Swedish keyboards (but not the type I > use here at school) contain this character ´ . It is easier to find > this particular character on the keyboard than it is to find the similar > ASCII character ' . You have seen the result here in this newsgroup. I > have seen you comment on exactly this kind of situation, at least twice > in the last couple of days. "An Earth-Being would "Yes, but when the Boss tells people read most of this as about that, he's nice. You flame. "blah, blah, blah." That is completely different. You \ insult people, he assists them." \ / \__/ \__/ (__) (__) (\//()\\ (\//()\\/) \/\__// \/\__/\/ |||| |||| |||| |||| (_)(_) (_)(_) > Ascii art is "technically" quite simple. Yet people still post pictures > made in Arial, pictures containing tabs, pictures containing other no- no > characters, pictures that are wrapped (Hey! The text part of your > tutorial was badly wrapped at the sending end!). Looking up a character > in one of the tables furhter up in this post is not complicated. > Explaining why using § to somebody who has this character *on his > keyboard* (remember, that is what you advice!) is a bad idea is a bit > more complicated, and it wastes everybody's time when it is done in the > newsgroup, over and over and over again. "Yes, and maybe she should consider getting a real newsreader, that will read wider posts. But she can't. She "More blah, blah, blah..." has to borrow a computer. Poor thing." \ / \__/ \__/ (oo) (\ (oo) .//~~\\// (\//~~\\ .\\__/\/ \/\__// ||\\ .//|| ||// .\\|| (_)_) (_)_) > See my reply to your other version of this rant. "Why bother?" / \__/ \__/ (__) (__) .//()\\ .//()\\ .\\__// .\\__// |||| |||| |||| |||| (_)(_) (_)(_) > YM "get somebody to applaud you in public". "She seems to think insulting "Yes, not to mention insulting people in public is the way the "public", itself." to go." / \ / \__/ \__/ (oo) (oo) .//~~\\ .//~~\\ .//\__/\\ .//\__/\\ ---""-//\\-""---------------------""-////-""---- .\\// .//// (_)(_) (_)(_) > Go spend some time at Deja! I have criticised this exact same "advice" > before, when it was suggested by other people. Again, you are taking > things way too personally. Here's some advice to you: Grow a thicker > skin or quit reading/posting to newsgroups. > > > I correct you because what you say is wrong. That's what happens in > newsgroups. Live with it! "I think it is obvious that Frau Veronica "corrects" people, because it is the only "That, and she is just enjoyment she gets from this newsgroup." plain rancid." \ / \__/ \__/ (oo) (oo) .//~~\\ .//~~\\/) .\\__// .\\__/\/ ||\\ |||| ||// |||| (_)_) (_)(_) > It is not an "opinion" that my Swedish keyboard contains the characters > §½ÅÄÖ. It is a *fact*. There is nothing "incorrect" about this fact > either. The button in the top left corner of my keyboard has as "small > letter" the character § and as "big letter" the character ½. When I > press that button I get the character §. When I press Shift and that > button I get the character ½. Everything works as it should. The only > thing _incorrect_ here is your opinion that this _fact_ is an "incorrect > opinion" of mine. "Once again, she brings up her non-standard keyboard. She thinks the whole world "She is wrong-headed, is all. should conform to it..." Let it go, at that..." \ / \__/ /) \__/ (__)// (o_) .//() / /\\) .\\__/ \//| |||| \)\ |||| ||\\ (_)(_) (_)(_) > A threat? WOW! I am sooooooooo scared! :D:D:D::D:D:D:D::D:D:D:D:D:D:D "So I see. He has frightened this poor Swedish-Terro-Creature into making repeated "The Boss has been a vomiting-in-fear symbols. He should real sonofabitch, again." not frighten such a timid creature \ as this, anymore. One is even 4- eyed!" \ / \__/ \__/ (__) (__) .//()\\ .//()\\ .\\__// .\\__// |||| |||| |||| |||| (_)(_) (_)(_) > What "Pete" would this be? Surely not the one and only person I ever > plonked? *lol* > > > Sure, I'm a troll sometimes, but not in this group. > > It is not my habit to "run new readers/posters off groups". Also, I > don't see on what you base your accusation that I am "working to make > this group smaller". Please explain. "A typical newsgroup troll remark, "Quite... And although SHE says but accompanied by a confession it's not her habit to run new of what she truly is." readers/posters off the newsgroup / that is exactly what she does, and \__/ it has been explained to her, before. (oo) Denying everything is the common (\//~~\\ tactic of these creatures." \/\__// \ \__/ ||\\ _ (oo) _ ||// (_//)(\\_) __________(_)_)_______________________________ \/--\/________ > (, http://www.ludd.luth.se/~vk/cgi/asciichat/ > /|__--__ . __--__ > |\ '__ /|\ _{ _ > `.' / `.,_ _________ | _________ _,.' (/ `. > / ||``._.' ASCII ART CHAT! `---'|:||,/ > .' /| /|:| \ > .' /\ \ __ __ _ `/|'\' > ` `,/ /`,\ \ \ / /__ _ _ ___ _ _ (_)__ __ _ /,'\ \ > .'.' /| \ V / -_) '_/ _ \ ' \| / _/ _` | |\ `.`. > ,' / / | \_/\___|_| \___/_||_|_\__\__,_| | \ \ `, > - `- -- `-'- -ejm-------------------------------------VK-- -`-' -- - ' - "Now we see another "Yes, she is obviously out of deep problem she is touch with the newsgroup... stricken with." Time for our final report, Zmpfltz." \ / \ / \__/ \__/ (__) (oo) .//()\\/) .//~~\\ .\\__/\/ .\\__// |||| |||| |||| ||// (_)(_) (_)_) > P.S.: You know none of this is personal, don't you? It's just what > happens, on a newsgroup. This doesn't change the fact that I > simply MUST HAVE YOU! Please come to Sweden, as soon as you > can. My lust for you is unbounded. "Wait! There is a "I know - there always is... Post Script..." I just can't look. Why can't \ they EVER stop pleading to \ him about such things?" \ / \__/ \__/ (__) /)(\ (\//()\\ .//~~\\ \/\__// "\__/" |||| |||| |||| |||| (_)(_) (_)(_) ------------------------------------------------------------------ Final report of transmission made by the Humano-Newsgroup-Troll, lesserly known as "Veronica". Compiled - under duress - by Zmpfltz and Qurblx of the Martian Terro-Research-Division, Planet Mars, System Sol, Galaxy Mikly Way, This Universe. Greetings, Humano-Terro-Boss! Here is what we have found in this confused transmission: 1. Change the AMERICAN STANDARD CODE INFORMATION INTERCHANGE to the SWEDISH STANDARD CODE INFORMATION INTERCHANGE. You will then have to make the necessary adjustments, yourself, or call on Swedish keyboard users to assist you. 2. Veronica is very angry over having to ride the bus. We can't blame her. We suggest that taking up contributions to get her a car, might help. 3. She is jealous about everything; this has been noted, many times in the past by her flaming anyone who becomes popular in the ascii art world, but doesn't apply the necessary suction to her posterior parts in each and every post they make, which she apparently desires. 5. She can't read English, but she can write it. 6. She seems to be having a "bad hair day". Perhaps the fur on her scalp has reversed growth direction, and penetrated her brainpan nodule, generating increasingly erratic and hostile behavior. We suggest presenting her with a Terro-device known as a "toaster oven", which should solve this problem. 7. Past experience has provided the information that Veronica is stricken with TMS (terminal menstrual syndrome). Nothing has occurred to have changed this diagnosis. 8. She is a troll. Newsgroup trolls deny everything, harass newcomers, drive posters and readers from a newsgroup, attempt to embarrass regular posters, and generally try to dominate a newsgroup and become the center of attention through their bad behavior. If you are not prepared to change to SSCII, provide her with transportation, credit her on every post, read English to her, get her a toaster oven, and send her to a psycho-gynecologist, then cease replying to her. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ -- Jonathon R. Oglesbee oglesbee@ mail.fullnet.net Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. ###### From: "JRO" Newsgroups: alt.ascii-art References: <8404ni$bve$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <4ej76scqklib28d7lvkdvce97dhq2j9jq2@4ax.com> <386f6bcc.23006563@news.concentric.net> Subject: Re: So, You Want To Make Text Art? Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2000 01:34:13 -0600 Lines: 10 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.226.27.56 Message-ID: <38704e63.0@206.103.97.91> X-Trace: 3 Jan 2000 01:23:15 -0600, 216.226.27.56 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!News.Amsterdam.UnisourceCS!newshunter!cosy.sbg.ac.at!newsfeed.Austria.EU.net!newscore.univie.ac.at!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-feed.fnsi.net!news-feeder.wcg.net!WCG!news.good.net!206.103.97.91!216.226.27.56 Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.ascii-art:7274 MJP wrote in message news:386f6bcc.23006563@news.concentric.net... Good post. Good thing for some folks to remember, too. JRO ###### From: "JRO" Newsgroups: alt.ascii-art References: <8404ni$bve$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Subject: Re: So, You Want To Make Text Art? Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2000 01:39:25 -0600 Lines: 36 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.226.27.56 Message-ID: <38704f9b.0@206.103.97.91> X-Trace: 3 Jan 2000 01:28:27 -0600, 216.226.27.56 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!News.Amsterdam.UnisourceCS!skynet.be!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!news-feeder.wcg.net!news-feeder2.wcg.net!WCG!news.good.net!206.103.97.91!216.226.27.56 Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.ascii-art:7280 CJRandall wrote in message news:Hw2kSXAZ02b4EwiC@shieldwolf.demon.co.uk... > .' '. /| > .' '// > .' _//'. > ()~ v__ > I have you surrounded \\___|==)__ > \(/ \ > so come out with your ( ~\Y/~ ) > \ ~Y~ / > hands up! (\ " / > \#\ /) > |#|\_/#| > > > a most enjoyable tutorial ... thanx You are most welcome... It is sooo obvious how badly you needed to read them. I can see how much castles and cars have helped you to make that knight, to say nothing of the nudes. I appreciate the time and consideration of someone who didn't need to read those things, all the more. Bless you, brave knight, for selflessly risking the adder's tounge. JRO ###### From: "JRO" Newsgroups: alt.ascii-art References: <8404ni$bve$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <386C9520.5C2E@earthling.net> <386e673e.0@206.103.97.91> <386EA280.25F9@earthling.net> <386F0346.9AB412B7@gtcom.net> <386F08E6.7BB1@earthling.net> <386f48ac.0@206.103.97.91> <386F7294.7C46@earthling.net> <84otog$2hf$1@bob.news.rcn.net> <84ovll$h4u$1@bob.news.rcn.net> Subject: Re: So, You Want To Make Text Art? Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2000 01:46:26 -0600 Lines: 83 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.226.27.56 Message-ID: <38705140.0@206.103.97.91> X-Trace: 3 Jan 2000 01:35:28 -0600, 216.226.27.56 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!enews.sgi.com!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!news-feeder.wcg.net!WCG!news.good.net!206.103.97.91!216.226.27.56 Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.ascii-art:7272 Prudence wrote in message news:84ovll$h4u$1@bob.news.rcn.net... > > Prudence wrote in message > news:84otog$2hf$1@bob.news.rcn.net... > > > > Veronica Karlsson wrote in message > > news:386F7294.7C46@earthling.net... > > > The group is less "strict" today than it was a couple of years ago, > > back > > > when I came to the conclusion that this is one of the friendliest > > groups > > > out there. I find some of the sugar-sweet back-patting that seems to > > be > > > some regulars' main contribution to this group quite sickening. I > > mean, > > > it's nice when people applaud good pictures, but some people seem to > > > have made a career out of it... > > ooops...wrong version...heres the fix > > ___ __ > / _/ / / ___ _ __ _ ___ > / _/ / / / _ `/ / ' \/ -_) > /_/ /_/ \_,_/ /_/_/_/\__/ > > ___ __ __ __ > / _ \ ___ / /_ ___ _ ____ ___/ / ___ _ ___ / /_ > / , _// -_)/ __// _ `/ / __// _ / / _ `/ / _ \/ __/ > /_/|_| \__/ \__/ \_,_/ /_/ \_,_/ \_,_/ /_//_/\__/ > > > > ___ __ _____ _ __ __ > / _ ) ___ _ ____ /_/ ___ / ___/ ____ (_) / / / / > / _ |/ _ `/ / __/ / _ \ / (_ / / __/ / / / / / / > /____/ \_,_/ /_/ /_//_/ \___/ /_/ /_/ /_/ /_/ > > > > > > > > > My dear, you are way too > nice to all the ascii art > people, thus causing a string > of maladies such as upset > stomach, severe yawning > and a few random belches. > There was even rumoured > to be excessive farting! > Haven't you read > the FAQS? > > / > / > / > / > > But of course I have, dear! > ' ~ ` ' . / FAQ #3 clearly states that > .```- '~ ` ~ `~ the ascii newsgroup people > `c _\ ___ ~)- ` ~ ~ ` enjoy reading: "hey-guys- > \ . \`/ ___ \ * ~ ' ` love-your-work-type messages!" > _) ( ,|_ \./ ) (~. ~` I was unable to distinguish > / = /_/ _|`\( ~ `.` between all the culturally > | `\ / / \ \ /`/'.' different digestive systems. > ____|___\ \/ /_________\ \/ /_________ Do you suppose there is a > Pru \__/ __ /_/ \__/ \ a remedy for this level > /_/ \ of intolerance? > ________________________________________\ > > Good gawd. JRO ###### From: "JRO" Newsgroups: alt.ascii-art References: <8404ni$bve$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <386C9520.5C2E@earthling.net> <386e673e.0@206.103.97.91> <386EA280.25F9@earthling.net> <386F0346.9AB412B7@gtcom.net> <386F08E6.7BB1@earthling.net> <386f48ac.0@206.103.97.91> <386F7294.7C46@earthling.net> <386F8AFC.3F82@earthling.net> Subject: Re: So, You Want To Make Text Art? Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2000 03:18:13 -0600 Lines: 246 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.226.27.56 Message-ID: <387066c4.0@206.103.97.91> X-Trace: 3 Jan 2000 03:07:16 -0600, 216.226.27.56 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.grnet.gr!news-feed1.eu.concert.net!newsfeed.gamma.ru!Gamma.RU!newsfeed.icl.net!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!gxn.net!news.good.net!206.103.97.91!216.226.27.56 Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.ascii-art:7275 Veronica Karlsson wrote in message news:386F8AFC.3F82@earthling.net... > I hope they still feel welcome when they receive their fifth "You have > used a non-standard character. Please don't do that again." comment > after following the "advice" in his tutorial to use whatever characters > they happen to have on their keyboard... That's the method I used when I > created these pictures: > > ___ __ __ > |888|B§||||||.:| > |888|U§||||||::| > |888|G§||||||::| > |888|A§||||||::| > |888|R§||||||::| > |888|I§||||||:'| > > > §§§§§ > §§§§§§§ > § . . § > @ ^ @ > \ - / > |"| > .-----' `-----. > ' ` > | | > | | .""""". | | > | | """"" | | > | | """"" | | > | | """ | | > | | " | | > | | | | > > Did I get flamed for them? Yes! Were the flames justified? Yes. Did I > learn not to do that? Yes. Do I know what it feels like to get such > "corrections" in public? Yes. > > JRO is creating the opportunity for himself to correct people that way. > He does that sort of thing? Yes. This is from yesterday: I'm sorry you had such negative experiences, in your early posts to AAA, Veronica. I feel very sad that you were met with cruel flames, for your early mistakes. I wish I had been there, or some of the other nice people on this newsgroup, when you had your first ugly run-ins with some misguided, intolerant people, who thought "flaming" you was the way to guide you into your entrance to this newsgroup.... Well, those people are gone, now. And I'm sure we're all glad they are. Be comforted. This is the New Millennium. We're going to try encourage more people to make text art; not spoil the fun. People who are new (to ascii) should be able to expect cheerful and helpful replies, whenever someone has time to answer them. People who are mean to new folks, for no reason, should expect flames, themselves. If would make you feel any better, tell me who was mean to you when you started making ascii, and I will send them a nasty email. > JRO wrote: > :mine wrote: > :> > :> %·¸ ¸·% > :> %*%\ /%*% > :> %*%\ /%*% > :> %*%\ /%*% > :> %*%\/%*% > :> ¸%%%%%%¸ > :> · · > :> ' Õ Õ ' > :> '( =ß= )' > :> `. ·-· .´ > :> `·..·´ > :> Mine 1999 > : > :It's posting just fine, "Mine". However, you got > :a handful of extended characters in there. When > :posting here, try to edit those things out, first. > :Here's some suggested replacements: > : > : %%\ /%% > : %*%\ /%*% > : %*%\ /%*% > : %*%\ /%*% > : %*%\/%*% > : :%%%%%%; > : ' ` > : ' @ @ ' > : '( =o= )' > : `. "-" .' > : `-...- > : Mine 1999 > > > and this is from today: > > JRO wrote: > :MJP wrote: > :> Wesley Dooley wrote: > :> > > :> > ¸{>©<}¸ > :> > ¸§§§§§¸ > :> > §§ð"𧧠> :> > §§( ô )§§ > :> > §§§) (§§§ > :> > §§(^¤^)§§ > :> > §§§)'(§§§ > :> > §§( )§§ > :> > :> ¸{>©<}¸ > :> ¸§§§§§¸ > :> §§ð"𧧠> :> §§( ô )§§ > :> _\__§§§) (§§§___/_ > :> =)____(^¤^)____( = > :> §§§)'(§§§ > :> §§( )§§ > :> / /\ \ > :> ( / \ ) > :> _/ / \ \_ > :> ( \/ \/ ) > :> \_) (_/ > :> > : > :Looks like you doan need my he'p, atall. MJP seems to have > :fixed that up fer you, jus' swell. > : > :'Cept for one point - you posted extended (alt+number) characters. > :No big deal, but we doan do that, here. Next time, please try to > :leave them thangs out, or email fer he'p. Me, er sumbody, will be > :happy to help out. > > I'm not saying that he planned anything. I'm just noting that he doesn't > mind correcting others, but when the criticism is aimed at him then the > person who criticises is evil and out to humiliate him personally!!! Sure! I totally conspired with both these folks, just to give you an example of a decent, reasonably polite repost to a posting of extended characters. If you check Dejanoose, you will see where I posted many such. If you will check Dejanoose, you will see where you flamed people. > [Please note that the Bad Character thing is the _only_ point in his > tutorial that I am criticising. I'm getting long rants in return from > him because he doesn't like getting criticised, especially by me, for > some reason only he knows. This is not the first time this has happened, > though it's been kept in email before.] You got one email, of a typical length that I compose. I'm sorry it was so much for you to read. Only for public will I make the point that I have reacted in such a seemingly harsh manner, because of the simple fact that I know you well enough to know that your primary purpose in reposting "criticism" to me, IS because you wish to humiliate me, personally, and on this newsgroup. Just as you have sought to do others, in the past. Here are a couple of favorite quotes of yours, from past conversations we have had: "Well, I feel like reading AAA, and seeing if there is anyone I can flame today." "I love to look for some newbie to flame, when I feel bitchy." Sound familiar? It should - you said it. You know, I don't post "critiques" of your threads. Recently, I thought you were trying to act friendly, again. Well, I will go back to acting friendly. If you post some art, I will give you a nice repost - maybe even apply a little suction. Would that make you feel wanted? FYI - the first versions of that "tutorial" I had written, did contain ascii charts, definitions - paragraphs full of boring stuff, that would probably have had you over excited. After talking it over with some other artists, and some people merely interested in text art, I cut that stuff down to the absolute bone. People wanting to make ascii, aren't looking for a glut of rules and charts. All they want is some simple step-through, to show them how to get started. Providing them with more in-depth information can come later... You might notice I only have two of those things, more or less complete. I do plan on making more. To make you happy, I will probably have to write a decent FAQ (I don't know if it's the acronym you like so much, or just the fact that most of them are too cryptic for the new [at ascii], enthusiast to wade through) for this newsgroup. I have discussed this with some of the other artists here, for some time. I think it's time that the actual, regular-posting ascii people had a FACK that fits the newsgroup. It should take fifteen or twenty mintues to write, and I hope it makes you happy... Primarily, though, my purpose in posting those tutorials here, was to put out more material on the newsgroup, for the holidays. I do have these things on my page, but the main reason I have them written up into "tutorials", is I have written so many emails, individually to people, and they basically contained all the same information, that I started organizing them as you see. When I had written email after email to interested parties, and noticed that my fingers were getting worn typing the same kinds of things, over and over, I did them like this. Also, people asked me for tutorials like these. So, I've made some. Sorry you don't like my character-set explanation. I'm sure there is room for improvement in both that I have ready, and will probably be in the ones I have planned. There's room for improvement, in Dante's Inferno, too. Why don't you go try to embarrass him? Or you might have tried posting: This is pretty good, Johnny. I really think you should include a chart, showing the ASCII character set. Like this: ascii chart Personally, I think those charts are fine. But I took them out, because they weren't really necessary. My "advice" wasn't bad - it was better. For the majority of new people (to ascii), who just want an idea of how they can start making text art, it's quick, easy, and uncomplicated. Then I move right along to some simple demonstrations, which makes up the bulk of the things, and is what they really want to read. Oh well... I think you've had enough. I'm sorry I jumped on you, but you and I both know you were just trying to make trouble. I've watched you do the same to Joan - among others - in the past. I've even seen her post semi- appologies and explanations back at you, for your "damnations" of her HTML and some advice she's given to people on occasion. Well, I ain't gonna kiss you an' cringe, fer shit like that. You is a se'f- admitted, flaming troll. Go back to your chatroom, if you can't behave here. If you can behave here, you will see me do a complete 180. It is probably better that I ignore any future posts of yours, but I can be more magnanimous than that. Post pictures, and reserve your flames and attempts to degrade people to those who really deserve it - cross-posters, completely off-topic strangers, and hecklers - and I will both pay attention to you, and be nice to you. And for "public" comsumption - I appologize for trashing out the newsgroup, by replying to Veronica. I am sure many of you may not realize why I did it. The reason is that I have had dealings with her in the past, and her criticism of my tutorial contained intent that you may not know about. A flame-war, like this, runs off readers and posters, alike. She enjoys starting the things, but the rest of us generally do not like them. I felt it was time she was showed her toes were over the line, with me, but I am truly sorry to have precipitated it. Be good, Jonathon R. Oglesbee oglesbee@ mail.fullnet.net ###### From: Lennert Stock Newsgroups: alt.ascii-art Subject: Re: So, You Want To Make Text Art? Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2000 13:39:33 +0100 Organization: News Service (http://www.news-service.com/) Lines: 81 Message-ID: References: <8404ni$bve$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <386C9520.5C2E@earthling.net> <386e673e.0@206.103.97.91> NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.114.238.139 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.7/32.534 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news.datacomm.ch!newscore.gigabell.net!newsfeeds.belnet.be!news.belnet.be!news-x.support.nl!News-Service!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.ascii-art:7282 On Sat, 1 Jan 2000 14:55:33 -0600, "JRO" wrote: > Which has always made me wonder...Microsoft declared "The Death Of Ascii", and >"An End To Ascii Art Signatures", a couple of years ago, followed by the release of >OutlookExpress 5. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . A long time ago in a galaxy far, far away... . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . :::::+::::... . . . . . . ..::.:::+++++:::+++++:+::. . . .:. ..:+:..+|||+..::|+|+||++|:. . . . . :::....:::::::::++||||O||O#OO|OOO|+|:. . . . . .:..:..::+||OO#|#|OOO+|O||####OO###O+:+|+ . .:...:+||O####O##||+|OO|||O#####O#O||OO|++||: . . . ..::||+++|+++++|+::|+++++O#O|OO|||+++..:OOOOO|+ . . . . +++||++:.:++:..+#|. ::::++|+++||++O##O+:.++|||#O+ . . . ++++++++...:+:+:.:+: ::..+|OO++O|########|++++||##+ . . . :::+++|O+||+::++++:::+:::+++::+|+O###########OO|:+OO . . . +:+++|OO+|||O:+:::::.. .||O#OOO||O||#@###@######:+|O| . . ::+:++|+|O+|||++|++|:::+O#######O######O@############O . ++++: .+OO###O++++++|OO++|O#@@@####@##################+ . . ::::::::::::::::::::++|O+..+#|O@@@@#@###O|O#O##@#OO#### . . . :. .:.:. .:.:.: +.:::::::: . +#:#@:#@@@#O||O#O@:###:#| . . `. .:.:.:.:. . :.:.:%::%%%:::::%::::%::: . . `.:.:.:.: :.:.:.:. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . A terrible ASCII war burns throughout the . . . Internet: a rag-tag group of ASCII fighters . . . . has risen from beneath the dark shadow of the . . . evil monster the Microsoft Corp. has become. . . MS Outlook forces have instituted a reign of . . terror, and every weapon in its arsenal has been . turned upon the Rebels and their allies: tyranny, . . . oppression, variable fonts, overwhelming armies of lusers . . . . and fear. Fear keeps the individual lusers in line, and is . the prime motivator of the Billy Boy's New Order. . . Outnumbered and outgunned, the ASCII artists burn across the . . . vast reaches of Internet and a thousand-thousand newsgroups, with . . only their US or other keyboard - and the mystical power known as the ASCII character set - flaming a fire of hope. This is a galaxy of wondrous aliens, bizarre Trolls, strange . . chars, powerful flamers, great heroes, and terrible villains. It is a galaxy of fantastic creations, magical pictures, vast ramps, awesome machi- . nery, terrible conflict, and unending hope. . . . . . . . . . . . .. . . . . . . T h i s i s t h e g a l a x y o f . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . ____ _________________ _________ _________ . . / \ / || | | / \ / _____ ____||__ __|__ __| . / /\ \ \ \ | | | | | | / ./__\ \ \ \ | | | | | | . . / \ ________> | | |____ __| |__ __| |__ / ______ \| / | || | | /____/ \____|___________/ \________||_________|_________| . ____ __ . _____ ____ . __________ . _________ \ \ / \ / / / \ | \ / | . \ \/ \/ / / \ | ___ | / ______| . \ / / /\ \ . | |___> | \ \ . \ / / /__\ \ | _/. \ \ + \ /\ / / \ | |\ \______> | . \ / \ / / ______ \ | | \ / . . . \/ \/ /____/ \____\ |___| \____________/ LS . . . . . . . . . . ###### From: Lambda Newsgroups: alt.ascii-art Subject: Re: So, You Want To Make Text Art? Message-ID: References: <8404ni$bve$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <386C9520.5C2E@earthling.net> <386e673e.0@206.103.97.91> Organization: UDUSS - http://uduss.cjb.net | insipid - http://insipid.cjb.net X-Newsreader: MicroPlanet Gravity v2.20 X-Is-Paranoid: yes X-No-Archive: yes Lines: 38 Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2000 14:55:43 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.43.207.232 X-Complaints-To: abuse@freesurf.fr X-Trace: nnrp3.clara.net 946911343 212.43.207.232 (Mon, 03 Jan 2000 14:55:43 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2000 14:55:43 GMT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!news.datacomm.ch!newscore.gigabell.net!newsfeeds.belnet.be!news.belnet.be!newsfeed.icl.net!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!nnrp3.clara.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.ascii-art:7283 [Mon, 03 Jan 2000 13:39:33 +0100] Lennert Stock (ls@gate99.nl) posted in alt.ascii-art : --8<-- snip --8<-- > . .. . . . . > . . T h i s i s t h e g a l a x y o f . . . . > . . . . . > . . . . . . > . . . . . . > . . . . . . . > ____ _________________ _________ _________ > . . / \ / || | | > / \ / _____ ____||__ __|__ __| . > / /\ \ \ \ | | | | | | > / ./__\ \ \ \ | | | | | | . > . / \ ________> | | |____ __| |__ __| |__ > / ______ \| / | || | | > /____/ \____|___________/ \________||_________|_________| > . ____ __ . _____ ____ . __________ . _________ > \ \ / \ / / / \ | \ / | . > \ \/ \/ / / \ | ___ | / ______| . > \ / / /\ \ . | |___> | \ \ > . \ / / /__\ \ | _/. \ \ + > \ /\ / / \ | |\ \______> | . > \ / \ / / ______ \ | | \ / . > . . \/ \/ /____/ \____\ |___| \____________/ LS > . . > . . . . . > . . . Hehe, a very good one, totally on topic! -- Lambda | Ultra Discreet Underground Secret Society http://insipid.cjb.net | http://www.uduss.cjb.net lambda@insipid.cjb.net | member #000001 - 000001@uduss.cjb.net _________________________________________________________________________ -You may also notice a laxative effect. ###### From: CJRandall Newsgroups: alt.ascii-art Subject: Re: So, You Want To Make Text Art? Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2000 18:22:27 +0000 Organization: me? organised? Message-ID: References: <8404ni$bve$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <386C9520.5C2E@earthling.net> <386e673e.0@206.103.97.91> NNTP-Posting-Host: shieldwolf.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: shieldwolf.demon.co.uk:193.237.26.148 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 947009197 nnrp-12:27584 NO-IDENT shieldwolf.demon.co.uk:193.237.26.148 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike (32) Trial Version 4.01 Lines: 44 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!enews.sgi.com!news-feed.fnsi.net!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.icl.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!shieldwolf.demon.co.uk!colin Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.ascii-art:7323 Lennert Stock writes >On Sat, 1 Jan 2000 14:55:33 -0600, "JRO" >wrote: > >> Which has always made me wonder...Microsoft declared "The Death Of Ascii", >and >>"An End To Ascii Art Signatures", a couple of years ago, followed by the >release of >>OutlookExpress 5. [snip] > > . A terrible ASCII war burns throughout the . . . > Internet: a rag-tag group of ASCII fighters . . > . . has risen from beneath the dark shadow of the . >. . evil monster the Microsoft Corp. has become. . [snip] > ____ _________________ _________ _________ > . . / \ / || | | > / \ / _____ ____||__ __|__ __| . > / /\ \ \ \ | | | | | | > / ./__\ \ \ \ | | | | | | . > . / \ ________> | | |____ __| |__ __| |__ > / ______ \| / | || | | > /____/ \____|___________/ \________||_________|_________| > . ____ __ . _____ ____ . __________ . _________ > \ \ / \ / / / \ | \ / | . > \ \/ \/ / / \ | ___ | / ______| . > \ / / /\ \ . | |___> | \ \ > . \ / / /__\ \ | _/. \ \ + > \ /\ / / \ | |\ \______> | . > \ / \ / / ______ \ | | \ / . > . . \/ \/ /____/ \____\ |___| \____________/ LS > . . > . . . . . > . . . > ace! [][ see yuz [][ colin -- . /\_/\ ( () |_ | |\| _/ |? .\ |\| |) .\ |_ |_ :( a a( CJRandall http://www.shieldwolf.demon.co.uk ' \___") <> ###### From: JRO Newsgroups: alt.ascii-art Subject: Re: So, You Want To Make Text Art? Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2000 18:44:23 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 28 Message-ID: <84qqm3$ji3$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <8404ni$bve$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <386C9520.5C2E@earthling.net> <386e673e.0@206.103.97.91> NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.226.27.38 X-Article-Creation-Date: Mon Jan 03 18:44:23 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; Windows 95; DigExt) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x28.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 216.226.27.38 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDtwelfwisp Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!feed2.news.luth.se!luth.se!news-peer-europe.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!howland.erols.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.ascii-art:7256 In article , Lennert Stock wrote: > On Sat, 1 Jan 2000 14:55:33 -0600, "JRO" wrote: > > > Which has always made me wonder...Microsoft declared "The Death Of Ascii", and > >"An End To Ascii Art Signatures", a couple of years ago, followed by the release of > >OutlookExpress 5. > > . . . . . . . . . . > . . . . > . A long time ago in a galaxy far, far away... . > . . . . . . Too fucking cool, Lennert. Is the video available? -- Jonathon R. Oglesbee oglesbee@ mail.fullnet.net Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. ###### From: Veronica Karlsson Newsgroups: alt.ascii-art Subject: Re: So, You Want To Make Text Art? Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2000 00:08:09 +0100 Lines: 382 Message-ID: <38712BD9.6C0A@earthling.net> References: <8404ni$bve$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <386C9520.5C2E@earthling.net> <386e673e.0@206.103.97.91> <386EA280.25F9@earthling.net> <386F0346.9AB412B7@gtcom.net> <386F08E6.7BB1@earthling.net> <386f48ac.0@206.103.97.91> <386F7294.7C46@earthling.net> <386F8AFC.3F82@earthling.net> <387066c4.0@206.103.97.91> NNTP-Posting-Host: lambda65.sm.luth.se Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (X11; I; SunOS 5.7 sun4u) Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.grnet.gr!news-feed1.eu.concert.net!news.algonet.se!algonet!newsfeed.icl.net!diablo.theplanet.net!newspeer.ebone.net!newsfeed.sunet.se!news01.sunet.se!news.kth.se!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.ascii-art:7294 JRO wrote: > Veronica Karlsson wrote: > > I hope they still feel welcome when they receive their fifth "You have > > used a non-standard character. Please don't do that again." comment > > after following the "advice" in his tutorial to use whatever characters > > they happen to have on their keyboard... > > JRO is creating the opportunity for himself to correct people that way. > > He does that sort of thing? Yes. This is from yesterday: > > I'm sorry you had such negative experiences, in your early posts to AAA, > Veronica. I wouldn't call them "negative experiences", just "embarrassing newbie experiences". I've done similar things in other groups, e.g this: http://home2.swipnet.se/~w-20547/reference/ciwah-item1-en.html I cringe every time I see it! :-D > I feel very sad that you were met with cruel flames, for your > early mistakes. I wish I had been there, or some of the other nice people > on this newsgroup, when you had your first ugly run-ins with some misguided, > intolerant people, who thought "flaming" you was the way to guide you into > your entrance to this newsgroup.... You are talking about "misguided flaming people" called "Joan Stark" and "llizard" IIRC. > Well, those people are gone, now. Those people are still here, and I didn't mind too much (that was the whole point of mentioning that example). It was irritating to be shown up as ignorant in the group, but it didn't make me hate the people who told me what not to do. If I had read the FAQ more carefully (and if the FAQ had been less "fuzzy" on this point) I might not have made that mistake to begin with. > And > I'm sure we're all glad they are. Be comforted. This is the New Millennium. > We're going to try encourage more people to make text art; not spoil the > fun. llizard doesn't "spoil the fun" for me. She's one of the funniest people I know! > People who are new (to ascii) should be able to expect cheerful and > helpful replies, whenever someone has time to answer them. People who are > mean to new folks, for no reason, should expect flames, themselves. A recipe for how to start a bad habit (without explaining that it is a bad habit!) is not "helpful". > If would make you feel any better, tell me who was mean to you when you > started making ascii, and I will send them a nasty email. As you can see above, their names are Joan Stark, llizard and Arjun Ray (also a nice person who is still around), among others. > > I'm not saying that he planned anything. I'm just noting that he doesn't > > mind correcting others, but when the criticism is aimed at him then the > > person who criticises is evil and out to humiliate him personally!!! > > Sure! I totally conspired with both these folks, just to give you an > example of a decent, reasonably polite repost to a posting of extended > characters. Read again (or have somebody explain it to you). I explicitly said I do not believe you planned to correct them by deliberately giving them bad advice. I said that you don't seem to mind correcting people when they do make mistakes. It's when somebody points out that *you* have made a similar mistake that you start flaming. You can dish it out but you can't take it. > > [Please note that the Bad Character thing is the _only_ point in his > > tutorial that I am criticising. I'm getting long rants in return from > > him because he doesn't like getting criticised, especially by me, for > > some reason only he knows. This is not the first time this has happened, > > though it's been kept in email before.] > > You got one email, of a typical length that I compose. I remember once getting a "typical length email" from you. I responded to it. You responded with one that was several pages long. I took the time to respond to that. The response you sent me then was just incredibly long. I was busy right then and didn't respond to that one immediately. A couple of days later I got some real grovelling from you, apoligising and describing yourself as "mildly viscious". In the end I didn't bother to respond to your looooooong rant at all. > I'm sorry it was > so much for you to read. Only for public will I make the point that I > have reacted in such a seemingly harsh manner, because of the simple fact > that I know you well enough to know that your primary purpose in reposting > "criticism" to me, IS because you wish to humiliate me, personally, and on > this newsgroup. Then you clearly don't know me *at all*. Humiliating people is not a hobby of mine. > Just as you have sought to do others, in the past. Names, please! (and/or message IDs) > Here are a couple of favorite quotes of yours, from past conversations we > have had: > > "Well, I feel like reading AAA, and seeing if there is anyone I > can flame today." > > "I love to look for some newbie to flame, when I feel bitchy." > > Sound familiar? It should - you said it. > I can imagine saying something like the first one when I have a headache. I'm sure you feel that way too sometimes (in fact, I'm pretty sure you felt that way a couple of days ago when you sent that double rant to me...). I certainly do not remember writing the second one ("bitchy" is not a word I remember *ever* using). > You know, I don't post "critiques" of your threads. Recently, I thought you > were trying to act friendly, again. This *is* a newsgroup. Nobody is above criticism. When you write something that is wrong or something that somebody doesn't like you can expect to get criticised for it. That's the way it works. Live with it! > Well, I will go back to acting friendly. If you post some art, I will give > you a nice repost - maybe even apply a little suction. And if I don't post some art? What will you do then? > Would that make you feel wanted? If I want to feel wanted I call my mother. > FYI - the first versions of that "tutorial" I had written, did contain > ascii charts, definitions - paragraphs full of boring stuff, that would > probably have had you over excited. After talking it over with some other > artists, and some people merely interested in text art, I cut that stuff > down to the absolute bone. It seems you cut a little bit too far... > People wanting to make ascii, aren't looking > for a glut of rules and charts. All they want is some simple step-through, > to show them how to get started. That's what tutorials are for. I'm not saying there shouldn't be tutorials. I'm just saying that the things they teach should be correct. > Providing them with more in-depth information can come later... Nothing wrong with that, but I wouldn't consider knowing which characters are "good" and which are "bad" to be "in-depth information". I would consider it to be *very basic* information. What you're doing is similar to if a teacher of an oil paint course did not first explain to his students that they *must not* put oily rags in the wastepaper basket (OK, your house won't burn down if you use the wrong character, but your butt may get scorched anyway...). > You might notice I only have two of those things, more or less complete. I didn't know you had *any* until you posted them. *shrug* > I do plan on making more. To make you happy, I will probably > have to write a decent FAQ You don't have to do anything to keep me happy. I am quite happy with Matthew Thomas' FAQ. I was quite happy with Bob Allison's FAQ too. :-) > (I don't know if it's the acronym you like so > much, or just the fact that most of them are too cryptic for the new [at ascii], > enthusiast to wade through) for this newsgroup. I repeat: You clearly don't know me at all. 1. I do not like things to be unnecessarily cryptic. I spend a lot of time and effort on making things easy. 2. I do not particularly like the acronym "FAQ" (Why? See 1.) The FAQ is not meant for the new ascii art enthusiast. It is meant for new posters to the newsgroup alt.ascii-art. A new poster to the group may also a new ascii art enthusiast, but that is no excuse for not reading (and at least trying to understand) the group's FAQ before posting away. That's how the social side of newsgroups work and is not something specific for this group. A FAQ for a newsgroup is not a *tutorial* (of anything other than how to behave in that particular newsgroup). > I have discussed this with > some of the other artists here, for some time. Names? > I think it's time that the > actual, regular-posting ascii people had a FACK that fits the newsgroup. IMO it has had *that* for as long as I've been reading the group. > It should take fifteen or twenty mintues to write, and I hope it makes > you happy... I think it would take you longer than that to *type* a FAQ that covers everything that needs to be covered in a FAQ, but please try. > Primarily, though, my purpose in posting those tutorials here, was to put > out more material on the newsgroup, for the holidays. Excellent! > I do have these things > on my page, but the main reason I have them written up into "tutorials", is > I have written so many emails, individually to people, and they basically > contained all the same information, that I started organizing them as you > see. When I had written email after email to interested parties, and noticed > that my fingers were getting worn typing the same kinds of things, over and > over, I did them like this. This is why FAQs exist. :-) > Also, people asked me for tutorials like these. So, I've made some. > Good. > Sorry you don't like my character-set explanation. I'm sure there is room > for improvement in both that I have ready, and will probably be in the ones > I have planned. There's room for improvement, in Dante's Inferno, too. Why > don't you go try to embarrass him? Or you might have tried posting: > > This is pretty good, Johnny. I really think you should include > a chart, showing the ASCII character set. Like this: > > ascii chart > Like I've told you before, I don't lick people's butts. You posted something that was incorrect and misleading and I responded to that. Live with it! > Personally, I think those charts are fine. But I took them out, because > they weren't really necessary. If they are unnecessary, how come so many people make the same mistake, over and over and over again? I think llizard's version is the simplest and least confusing. Why not use it (or something similar)? > My "advice" wasn't bad - it was better. Fact: Your advice was incorrect and misleading (and somebody had the *nerve* to point that out to you). > For the majority of new people (to ascii), who just want an idea of how > they can start making text art, it's quick, easy, and uncomplicated. Then > I move right along to some simple demonstrations, which makes up the bulk > of the things, and is what they really want to read. Fine. > Oh well... I think you've had enough. I'm sorry I jumped on you, but you > and I both know you were just trying to make trouble. You may "know" this, but that is not the case. "Making trouble" (for the sake of making trouble) is not a hobby of mine either. > I've watched you do the same to Joan - among others - in the past. I think you mean this thread: http://www.deja.com/=dnc/[ST_rn=ps]/viewthread.xp?search=thread&recnum=%3c3775A14B.7E86@earthling.net%3e%231/1&AN=494329607&svcclass=dnserver&frpage=getdoc.xp Yeah, I was *really* horrible to her crossposting here so she could have a say in the matter rather than talking about her behind her back in some other group. > Well, I ain't gonna kiss you an' cringe, fer shit like that. Nobody asked you to. Nobody can force you to. It's still a fact that the method you advice people to use is bad and *will* eventually lead them to get flamed in this group. > You is a se'f- admitted, flaming troll. No, I am sometimes a troll (but not in this group), and I sometimes flame people. "Flaming" is not necessarily the same thing as "trolling". My posting to point out that your advice was bad was not intended as a flame either (or a troll for that matter). Here's a bit of trolling, that is also on-topic for this group: http://www.deja.com/=dnc/[ST_rn=ps]/viewthread.xp?search=thread&recnum=%3c37A7413A.2576@earthling.net%3e%231/1&AN=508474485&svcclass=dnserver&frpage=getdoc.xp (starting with my post, "msg 219", which is a flame, but as people were responding I turned the whole thing into a troll) > Go back to your chatroom, if you can't behave here. Or else - WHAT? (I usually have the Chat Watcher turned on when I'm logged in, so no need for me to "go back" there. I'm there already.) > If you can behave here, you will see me do a complete 180. And start being cute and sending me little messages like "Make love not war!"? The horror! :D:D:D:D:D:D > It is probably better that I ignore any future posts of yours, Probably, yes, since they seem to upset you so much. > but I can be more magnanimous > than that. Post pictures, and reserve your flames and attempts to degrade > people to those who really deserve it I do flame people sometimes, and they usually do deserve it. "Attempting to degrade people" is, however, not a hobby of mine, either. > - cross-posters, Nothing wrong with crossposting when that is appropriate. E.g. if a discussion is about how to display ascii art on web pages it may make sense to crosspost between an ascii art group and an html group. It's part of how Usenet works. It's a "feature" that is useful sometimes. > completely off-topic strangers, All newbies are strangers, to begin with. Most people make off-topic posts sometimes. Flaming somebody because he's a stranger, even if he does make an off-topic post, seems a bit hostile to me. > and hecklers - and I will both pay attention to you, and be nice to you. If I want attention I call my mother. > And for "public" comsumption - I appologize for trashing out the newsgroup, > by replying to Veronica. Oh, is *that* what happened? *lol* > I am sure many of you may not realize why I did > it. The reason is that I have had dealings with her in the past, and her > criticism of my tutorial contained intent that you may not know about. Apparently it must have contained some "intent" that *I* did not know about... (hint: there was no "intent" other than to correct something that was wrong, even harmful to the group! I can just see it: Newbies coming in here, posting a few pictures, getting told not to use bad characters, and pointing to your tutorials saying "JRO says it's OK to use the characters on my keyboard, and that's what I did!") > A > flame-war, like this, runs off readers and posters, alike. She enjoys starting > the things, but the rest of us generally do not like them. My post pointing out a flaw in your tutorial was not meant as a troll. The only thing here resembling a troll is your behaviour. I don't often intentionally start flame wars, but I do sometimes enjoy taking part in them. That's what Usenet is about - discussion! Live with it! > I felt it was time > she was showed her toes were over the line, with me, but I am truly sorry to > have precipitated it. :D:D:D::D:DD:D:D:D -- (, http://www.ludd.luth.se/~vk/cgi/asciichat/ /|__--__ . __--__ |\ '__ /|\ _{ _ `.' / `.,_ _________ | _________ _,.' (/ `. / ||``._.' ASCII ART CHAT! `---'|:||,/ .' /| /|:| \ .' /\ \ __ __ _ `/|'\' ` `,/ /`,\ \ \ / /__ _ _ ___ _ _ (_)__ __ _ /,'\ \ .'.' /| \ V / -_) '_/ _ \ ' \| / _/ _` | |\ `.`. ,' / / | \_/\___|_| \___/_||_|_\__\__,_| | \ \ `, - `- -- `-'- -ejm-------------------------------------VK-- -`-' -- -' - ###### From: Veronica Karlsson Newsgroups: alt.ascii-art Subject: Re: So, You Want To Make Text Art? Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2000 03:38:27 +0100 Organization: University of Lulea, Sweden Lines: 361 Message-ID: <38715D23.2966@earthling.net> References: <8404ni$bve$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <386C9520.5C2E@earthling.net> <386e673e.0@206.103.97.91> <386EA280.25F9@earthling.net> <386F0346.9AB412B7@gtcom.net> <386F08E6.7BB1@earthling.net> <386f48ac.0@206.103.97.91> <386F7294.7C46@earthling.net> <84p7pi$gej$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: my21.sm.luth.se Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: news.luth.se 946953502 20687 130.240.3.51 (4 Jan 2000 02:38:22 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@luth.se NNTP-Posting-Date: 4 Jan 2000 02:38:22 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (X11; I; SunOS 5.7 sun4u) Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news-fra1.dfn.de!unlisys!news.snafu.de!news-MUC.ecrc.net!feed2.news.luth.se!news.luth.se!luth.se!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.ascii-art:7293 JRO wrote: > Veronica Karlsson wrote: > > For people with American keyboards, *maybe*. For people with, e.g. > > Swedish keyboards it was Bad Advice. > > "Qurblx, her brainpan nodule > does not seem to contain the > simple information about what > ASCII stands for." "what ASCII stands for" is not the same thing as "what kinds of keyboards people reading your tutorials are using". There may be some similarity between the two for people using American keyboards, but that's no excuse for confusing people who happen to come from other countries than you. > > Most Swedish computer users have Swedish keyboards. And I would expect > > most Finnish computer users to have Finnish keyboards, and most Spanish > > computer users to have Spanish keyboards, etc. The world *is* bigger > > than just northern America. > > "Yes, I suppose there is more than > just North America..." > / "But since more computers are there, than > / everywhere else in the world, and since > / most ALL of them use ASCII, Please, show some statistics. So far all you've done is hint that "90%" (or is it "99%"?) and now "most ALL" of the computer users in the world use American keyboards. > "You know, it is just simple > fact that most computers "speak" > English. Air traffic controllers > do, too. Most people who speak > the wide variety of other languages > adapt to this fact, quite well... > Even if they are "New" (to ascii)." Yes, sure, but what kinds of keyboards do they use? Don't you think somebody in Spain wants to write in Spanish to his friends? To do that comfortably he needs a Spanish keyboard: http://www.fingertipsoft.com/kbd/spanish.gif which contains such characters as ¡¿ÑÇ Do you think he's going to get a new keyboard (which is inferior to his needs) before reading your tutorial? > > Here's that "90%" figure I mentioned in that other reply. Again: Is it > > based on fact or did you invent it? (the fact that it's "90" here and > > "99" in the other version would suggest that you invented it) > > "So what?" > \__/ / \__/ > (__) (__) > (\//()\\/) .//()\\ \ > \/\__/\/ .\\__// "Yes, it is a reasonably > |||| |||| accurate figure, any way > |||| |||| you look at it." > (_)(_) (_)(_) If you mention a statistic, either you can back it up or people can assume that you are simply lying and inventing numbers that suit your purposes. How can you, or anybody else, know it's accurate if it can't be checked? Please, cite your references regarding this "statistic". > > > > IMO a plain list of the "good" characters is quite simple. > > > > "`1234567890-=~!@#$%^&*()_+qwertyui > op[]QWERTYUIOP{}asdfghjkl;'ASDFGH > JKL:"zxcvbnm,./\ZXCVBNM<>?|...." > / > \__/ \__/ > (__) (__) > .//()\\ .//()\\ \ > .\\__// .\\__//"It IS accurate, but it > |||| |||| doesn't quite "sing"..." > |||| |||| > (_)(_) (_)(_) Bob Allison's FAQ has something quite similar to that, yes. Unfortunately, the wording in that FAQ is "Standard ASCII art is made with characters, such as:". I read the "such as" part as a suggestion that there may be other suitable characters as well. > > That's not a good excuse for giving bad advice, especially not since the > > subject is quite simple anyway. You don't need any simplification. You > > accused the FAQ of "looking down on" people. Well, you treat people as > > if they're not intelligent enough to read a simple list... > > "No, the Boss treats people > as if they are intelligent > enough to wish for the > simplest, most entertaining > answers he can give them, > realizing that both children > and grown-ups are bored by > unnecessary, intensive study > of something that is supposed > to be a fun hobby." I definitely agree that simple answers are better than complicated ones. I do not agree that an entertaining but incorrect answer is better than one that is boring but correct. > > I still don't see the need for something quite simple, and yes, a little > > "techy", to be *entertaining*. > > "Snrkk...No surprise, there. Veronica thinks it's a blast, > to read source code on web pages, and write total strangers > about the mistakes on their personal home pages. For most > Earthlings, such a diversion is just not what they > would call "a good time"." If I have trouble reading a page that I find interesting (or think I might find interesting if I didn't have trouble reading it) I may sometimes do that. That's not what you're talking about here though. The rest of the group don't know about the discussion between you and me where I had found a problem on one of your pages and wrote to you and told you how to fix it (just as I had previously told you about all sorts of HTML related things). At that time I still thought of you a bit the way a teacher thinks about a student (since I did get you started with that site). The result? Page after page of insults from you! You keep referring to anonymous people you have talked to in email. I'll do the same and mention that at least one person (right now I can think of two specific people, both of which like to draw very tiny pictures) has told me to stop responding to you - because discussing things with you is just one big waste of time. After the HTML error incident I realised that they are right, and that's why I chose to respond in the group rather than in email. > > Good! (I just wonder one thing: How many of the people who read them go > > on to post pictures containing § or ½ or Ö and then get flamed for it?) > > "If some do, so what? "Yes, they may get a nice repost or email > an easily correctable from the Boss (or somebody) recommending > mistake." that they avoid the use of extended characters. > \ there is NO REASON to flame someone, for that." And they do, but people tend to run out of patience when they see the fifteenth-or-so such post from the same person. If that person then goes back to your tutorial and sees that you say that he is doing the right thing... Don't you think one possile logical conclusion for a person in that situation can be that you are right and the people telling him to do something else are wrong and then ignore the corrections and go on posting as before? > > I don't see how ascii art is any less "real" than any other art. The > > fact that somebody earns money making pictures is no guarantee that he > > is any better at making pictures than somebody else, who doesn't sell > > his pictures for money. > > "No, but when professionals seem to find > little use for your methods of "helping" > them, but seem to prefer the Boss's, it > is an indication that perhaps you should > consider adopting better methods." It seems that these "professionals" are newbies at making ascii art. What about people who are professionals at something computer related, do you give their opinions as much weight? (After all, they know *exactly* what goes on "under the hood" in a computer...) > > I haven't counted (I've been too busy making pictures of my own). > > "That is a strange remark, coming > from someone who primarily posts > acidic "advice", "argumentative > critiques", and "flames" to > this little newsgroup." "You should post ascii, instead! The > / Boss will even send you his tutorials, > / to help get you started!" You have high expectations! One fairly large picture a day isn't enough for you? OK, I'm back to a more normal pace now, but still... > > "This is NOT an html tutorial, "And that "opinion" is derrived from > and that subject is extraneous many emails, which say the faqs > to this post." were of no real help. And from the > \ observation of how they are thrown at > \ newcomers (to ascii), who don't come back." 1. Have somebody explain to you what an analogy is and how it works. 2. I have sent URLs to the FAQ to many people who have stayed, so your claim that showing somebody the FAQ is a sure way to drive him off is not true. I have received enough "thank you for the information" emails to know that my method works very well. > > And also explanations. The FAQ doesn't just say "do this!". It also > > makes an effort to explain *why* you should do things a certain way. In > > the end nobody can stop you from making as big a fool of yourself as you > > want. > > "No, that FACK thing tells > people "Don't Do This!"... > "Don't Do That!"... "We Don't > Have Time For You!" If it says "don't do this" it also explains why. It's warning you not to do things that are known to cause people to get flamed in this newsgroup. What's wrong with *that*? Also, you may have an endless amount of time to spend making name signs for every newbie, but I know I don't. I also know that most such signs can be made quite easily with Figlet. What's wrong with saying that straight out in the FAQ? > "She is sure mad about "Yes, and no wonder she never entertains > having to ride the bus." anyone. She inferrs ascii art time is not > \ the appropriate time for entertainment." 1. Again, look up that analogy thing. 2. "ascii art time" is certainly an appropriate time for entertainment. "Reading up on what is appropriate in a specific newsgroup time" is a time for correct information. If you can come up with a good way to combine the two, fine. If you can't, chose the correct but boring version before the entertaining but incorrect one. > "The Boss's methods work. Yours don't. Your suggested method for finding out if a character is good to use for ascii art (i.e. checking if one can find it on one's keyboard) obviously does not work for everybody. > > characters, pictures that are wrapped (Hey! The text part of your > > tutorial was badly wrapped at the sending end!). ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ The part I underlined here, the words "at the sending end", means that it was you who did the wrapping, not me. > > "Yes, and maybe she should consider > getting a real newsreader, that > will > read wider posts. But she can't. > She > "More blah, blah, blah..." has to borrow a computer. Poor > thing." The above mess was also wrapped by you, not me (I have corrected it for you in the rest of the post). Apparently I have more control over my newsreader than you have over yours. > > YM "get somebody to applaud you in public". > > "She seems to think insulting "Yes, not to mention insulting > people in public is the way the "public", itself." > to go." / Yup! Sure is better than email. This way everybody can see the whole discussion and draw their own conclusions. Do you really think re-using the same lame pictures again, for the n'th time, and adding little sarcastic comments everywhere is going to make you look any better? > "Once again, she brings up > her non-standard keyboard. > She thinks the whole world "She is wrong-headed, is all. > should conform to it..." Let it go, at that..." No, I mention my Swedish keyboard as an example. There are others, as you will see if you try to search for e.g. "international keyboards" in some search engine (I got 818 hits in Alta Vista for that particular phrase). > > P.S.: You know none of this is personal, don't you? It's just what > > happens, on a newsgroup. This doesn't change the fact that I > > simply MUST HAVE YOU! Please come to Sweden, as soon as you > > can. My lust for you is unbounded. Post editing! That's just lame of you. > 1. Change the AMERICAN STANDARD CODE INFORMATION INTERCHANGE to > the SWEDISH STANDARD CODE INFORMATION INTERCHANGE. Should be: 1. Realise that not everybody use American keyboards. > 2. Veronica is very angry over having to ride the bus. We can't > blame her. We suggest that taking up contributions to get her > a car, might help. Yes, please! :-D (Though, in this case, I didn't take the bus because I "had to" but because it was very icy on the roads that day. I preferred to let the professional drivers worry about the road and spent the time reading a comic book instead. Sounds like an intelligently lazy, simple and entertaining solution to me...) > 5. She can't read English, but she can write it. Speak for yourself Mr "I could care less". > 8. She is a troll. Sometimes, in alt.romath, yes. Not in this group though. > Newsgroup trolls deny everything, Not correct. I know some trolls who make a point of not denying anything. > harass newcomers, I know at least one troll who would not flame newbies, only regulars. Other than that, much of his opinions were similar to what you have shown in this thread. He did eventually write his own FAQ. http://www.hobsonsquare.com/HTMLFAQ.htm Apparently he did it by copying things from others, but those others decided to see it as flattery rather than copyright violation. > drive posters and readers from a newsgroup, Some trolls may do this (people like PC or BS who seem to just want to destroy things), but most that I have seen have had the opposite effect. > attempt to embarrass regular posters, Regular posters can be wrong too. Pointing that out doesn't have to be an attempt to embarrass anybody. > and generally try to dominate a newsgroup and become the center > of attention through their bad behavior. Some trolls do that. Some trolls don't. Some trolls do that, but have a good reason for it. A few months ago I would probably have agreed with you about your opinions about trolls. That was before I learned that there are good guys among the trolls too. I was wrong. I learned. -- (, http://www.ludd.luth.se/~vk/cgi/asciichat/ /|__--__ . __--__ |\ '__ /|\ _{ _ `.' / `.,_ _________ | _________ _,.' (/ `. / ||``._.' ASCII ART CHAT! `---'|:||,/ .' /| /|:| \ .' /\ \ __ __ _ `/|'\' ` `,/ /`,\ \ \ / /__ _ _ ___ _ _ (_)__ __ _ /,'\ \ .'.' /| \ V / -_) '_/ _ \ ' \| / _/ _` | |\ `.`. ,' / / | \_/\___|_| \___/_||_|_\__\__,_| | \ \ `, - `- -- `-'- -ejm-------------------------------------VK-- -`-' -- -' - ###### From: Jan-Erik Finnberg Newsgroups: alt.ascii-art Subject: Re: So, You Want To Make Text Art? Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2000 12:01:42 +0200 Organization: SAUNALAHDEN SERVERIN asiakas Lines: 102 Message-ID: References: <8404ni$bve$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <4ej76scqklib28d7lvkdvce97dhq2j9jq2@4ax.com> <386f6bcc.23006563@news.concentric.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: mmcdlxiii.hdyn.saunalahti.fi Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.6/32.525 trialware Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news-fra1.dfn.de!news-kar1.dfn.de!newsfeed.rhein-neckar.de!news.rhein-neckar.de!rz.uni-karlsruhe.de!newsfeed.nacamar.de!newsfeed.tli.de!newsfeed1.swip.net!swipnet!newsfeed1.funet.fi!nntp.inet.fi!inet.fi!newsfeeds.saunalahti.fi!news.sci.fi!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.ascii-art:7310 On 02 Jan 2000 17:50:46 EST, mikechatremove@best.com (MJP) wrote: > If you have a nonstandard keyboard, please refer to I could be really hard for a newbie to know if he has a nonstandard keyboard. I have used computers for more than 10 years, and the last time I saw a "standard" keyboad was when I last saw a Commodore 64. And even some of those had ÅÄÖ and other "non-standard" keys. My Amigas had those keys, my PC has those keys, all my friends' PC's have those keys and EVERY computer in EVERY school and office I have been has had those keys. So If a Finn writes to this group he might not know he has a "non-standard" keyboard, since he has never seen any other kind of keyboard. > the list of ASCII character + codes > 32 SP 33 ! 34 " 35 # 36 $ 37 % 38 & 39 ' > 40 ( 41 ) 42 * 43 + 44 , 45 - 46 . 47 / > 48 0 49 1 50 2 51 3 52 4 53 5 54 6 55 7 > 56 8 57 9 58 : 59 ; 60 < 61 = 62 > 63 ? > 64 @ 65 A 66 B 67 C 68 D 69 E 70 F 71 G > 72 H 73 I 74 J 75 K 76 L 77 M 78 N 79 O > 80 P 81 Q 82 R 83 S 84 T 85 U 86 V 87 W > 88 X 89 Y 90 Z 91 [ 92 \ 93 ] 94 ^ 95 _ > 96 ` 97 a 98 b 99 c 100 d 101 e 102 f 103 g >104 h 105 i 106 j 107 k 108 l 109 m 110 n 111 o >112 p 113 q 114 r 115 s 116 t 117 u 118 v 119 w >120 x 121 y 122 z 123 { 124 | 125 } 126 ~ How about this: Please use only the letters A-Z, numbers 0-9 and the following characters when creating ASCII-art: ! " # $ % & ' ( ) * + , - . / : ; < = > ? @ [ \ ] ^ _ ` { | } ~ Do not use any other characters. Ob (non-)ascii: picture of my keyboard. ,---. ,---.---,---.---, ,---.---.---,---. ,---.---,---.---. ,---.---,---. ,---------------. |Esc| |F1 |F2 |F3 |F4 | |F5 |F6 |F7 |F8 | |F9 |F10|F11|F12| |Prt|Scr|Pws| |Num Caps Scroll| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |Sys|lck|Brk| |= = = | `---' `---^---^---^---' `---^---^---^---' `---^---^---^---' `---^---^---' `---------------' ,---.---,---.---,---.---,---.---,---.---,---.---,---.--------. ,---.---,---. ,---.---,---,---. |½ |! |" |# |¤ |% |& |/ |( |) |= |? |` |<--- | |Ins|Hom|Pg | |Num|÷ |× |- | |§ |1 |2 @|3 £|4 $|5 |6 |7 {|8 [|9 ]|0 }|+ \|´ | | | | |Up | |Lck| | | | >---^---^---^---^---^---^---^---^---^---^---^---^---^--------< >---^---^---< >---^---^---^---< ||<-- |Q |W |E |R |T |Y |U |I |O |P |Å |^ | | |Del|End|Pg | |1 |8^ |9Pg| | |-->| | | | (E| | | | | | | | |¨ ~| <-' | | | |Dwn| |Hom| | | Up| | >-----^---^---^---^---^---^---^---^---^---^---^---^---^. | `---^---^---' `---^---^---|+ | |Caps |A |S |D |F |G |H |J |K |L |Ö |Ä |* | | Wny |4 |5 |6 | | |Lock | | | | | | | | | | | |' | | |<--| |-->| | >------^---^---^---^---^---^---^---^---^---^---^---^---^-----< ,---. `---^---^---^---' |/\ |> |Z |X |C |V |B |N |M |; |: |_ |/\ | | ^ | |1 |2| |3Pg| | ||| |< || | | | | | | |, |. |- ||| | | | | |End| V |Dwn| | >----^---^---^---^---^---^---^---^---^---^---^---^-----------< ,---^---^---. `---^---^---|En-| |Ctrl|~# |Alt| < Keytronic > |Alt |~# ||-L |Ctrl | | | | | | |0 | , |ter| | |~ | | / Mpr II - KEY \ |Gr |~ | '\ | | |<--| V |-->| |Ins |Del| | `----^----^---^-------------------------^----^----^----^-----' `---^---^---' `-------^---^---' Non-ascii chars explained: 1/ ½ = / 2 __ § =(__` (__) .__) £ = British pound, ,- -+- /__ ¤ = I think this was meant to be ecu, \ / O / \ ´= pretty much ' Å= A with a ring on the top () /\ /--\ ¨= umlaut, two dots . . Ö= O with an umlaut, O . . Ä= A with an umlaut, A ÷= quotinent o (Yes, I looked up the word quotinent from a dictionary) ----- o ×= product, On Lucida console looks EXACTLY like x -- Jan-Erik Finnberg wheany@icenet.no.spam.please.fi ICQ:49316651 http://www.saunalahti.fi/~wheany/FFVII/ FF7 midis and not much more!! http://www.saunalahti.fi/~wheany/nethack/ Nethack 3.3.0 download "Life is like a metaphor" ###### From: "JRO" Newsgroups: alt.ascii-art References: <8404ni$bve$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <386C9520.5C2E@earthling.net> <386e673e.0@206.103.97.91> <386EA280.25F9@earthling.net> <386F0346.9AB412B7@gtcom.net> <386F08E6.7BB1@earthling.net> <386f48ac.0@206.103.97.91> <386F7294.7C46@earthling.net> <3870AE1C.11C1@TAKEOUTTHEGARBAGEyahoo.com> Subject: Re: So, You Want To Make Text Art? Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2000 04:07:55 -0600 Lines: 64 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.226.27.18 Message-ID: <3871c3d0.0@206.103.97.91> X-Trace: 4 Jan 2000 03:56:32 -0600, 216.226.27.18 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!enews.sgi.com!paloalto-snf1.gtei.net!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!crtntx1-snh1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!easynews!news.good.net!206.103.97.91!216.226.27.18 Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.ascii-art:7316 llizard wrote in message > Please examine the following chart. Note that there are no characters > that look > like ¤ § « ¿ ¶ Þ ¥ ' nor are there any letters with accents. > > ====================================== > } ASCII Character Chart { > ====================================== > }| |{ > }| This chart should be symmetrical.|{ > }| If it isn't, change your font |{ > }| til the i's and the m's line up. |{ > }| |{ > }| eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee |{ > }| mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm |{ > }| |{ > }| SP ! " # $ % & ' |{ > }| ( ) * + , - . / |{ > }| 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 |{ > }| 8 9 : ; < = > ? |{ > }| @ A B C D E F G |{ > }| H I J K L M N O |{ > }| P Q R S T U V W |{ > }| X Y Z [ \ ] ^ _ |{ > }| ` a b c d e f g |{ > }| h i j k l m n o |{ > }| p q r s t u v w |{ > }| x y z { | } ~ |{ > }| |{ > }| SP stands for Space bar |{ > }| |{ > }| Please do not use characters |{ > }| that are not on this chart if |{ > }| you are going to post your |{ > }| creations in a newsgroup! |{ > }| |{ > ====================================== > > Naturally, you are all children of the universe and will want to use > characters that are not on that chart; you should feel free to type out > keyboard art using many different fonts and characters. Exchange your > creations with your e-friends via e-mail or put them on your webpage but > PLEASE do not post any nonstandard keyboard art in the newsgroup > alt.ascii-art because you will just get a lot of grief. > > ----------------------------------- This is excellent. It is so good, I will repost to you. I am not going to tell you what to say on your homepage, but in using this chart on aaa, it might be nicer if new folks didn't get the impression they would "get a lot of grief" from posting a non-standard character, but rather, "because not all people will be able to view them". Anyway, it is the smallest, neatest chart out there. JRO ###### From: "JRO" Newsgroups: alt.ascii-art References: <8404ni$bve$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <386C9520.5C2E@earthling.net> <386e673e.0@206.103.97.91> <386EA280.25F9@earthling.net> <386F0346.9AB412B7@gtcom.net> <386F08E6.7BB1@earthling.net> <386f48ac.0@206.103.97.91> <386F7294.7C46@earthling.net> <84p7pi$gej$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <38715D23.2966@earthling.net> Subject: Re: So, You Want To Make Text Art? Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2000 04:57:09 -0600 Lines: 534 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.226.27.8 Message-ID: <3871cf61.0@206.103.97.91> X-Trace: 4 Jan 2000 04:45:53 -0600, 216.226.27.8 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.grnet.gr!news-feed1.eu.concert.net!btnet-peer!btnet!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!gxn.net!news.good.net!206.103.97.91!216.226.27.8 Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.ascii-art:7317 Veronica Karlsson wrote in message news:38715D23.2966@earthling.net... > "what ASCII stands for" is not the same thing as "what kinds of > keyboards people reading your tutorials are using". There may be some > similarity between the two for people using American keyboards, but > that's no excuse for confusing people who happen to come from other > countries than you. Well, if they're like you - fuck 'em. On the other hand, I don't think you've read most of this thread. I know you are overjoyed any time I make a post, and can't wait to read it, and although I'm flattered, I think it most rude of you not to see what others have to say, too. But you doan care 'bout the "publik", do you? Only about getting a good fuss going, so you'll have something to do. > Please, show some statistics. So far all you've done is hint that "90%" > (or is it "99%"?) and now "most ALL" of the computer users in the world > use American keyboards. Why don't you go look up the stats? Others on this thread, from other nations, seem to think my guesstimate isn't too far off. Even if it is a little off, so what? I'll change it to 95% or 88%, as I wish. It's not too far off the real thing, any way you want to put it. > Yes, sure, but what kinds of keyboards do they use? Don't you think > somebody in Spain wants to write in Spanish to his friends? To do that > comfortably he needs a Spanish keyboard: > > http://www.fingertipsoft.com/kbd/spanish.gif > > which contains such characters as ¡¿ÑÇ > > Do you think he's going to get a new keyboard (which is inferior to his > needs) before reading your tutorial? I asked some Spanish folks I know... Only got two replies, so far. They got standard keyboards. > > If you mention a statistic, either you can back it up or people can > assume that you are simply lying and inventing numbers that suit your > purposes. How can you, or anybody else, know it's accurate if it can't > be checked? Please, cite your references regarding this "statistic". I don't have to back up anything. You're the one with the non-standard keyboard, who is trembling that someone might post an umlaut here. You worry about it. But if it makes you feel any better, the last stat I did hear, put over 90% of the home internet users here, in the USA. That came off the TeeVee; PBS. > Bob Allison's FAQ has something quite similar to that, yes. > Unfortunately, the wording in that FAQ is "Standard ASCII art is made > with characters, such as:". I read the "such as" part as a suggestion > that there may be other suitable characters as well. At least Bob produced some hobby information. You just seem to produce noise and take up bandwidth. In real life, I bet you never shut your mouth, unless asleep. If you couldn't figure out what he was saying, then maybe you should go back to taking more English classes. > I definitely agree that simple answers are better than complicated ones. > I do not agree that an entertaining but incorrect answer is better than > one that is boring but correct. No, you never agree with anything. If you did, you wouldn't have anything to do. And as far as text art goes, it's ALL entertainment. Breaking that law, and turning it into something boring is the crime. Go bore people with correct answers, on your chat page, you criminal. > If I have trouble reading a page that I find interesting (or think I > might find interesting if I didn't have trouble reading it) I may > sometimes do that. Oh, a MUCH paler admission, than the one you have previously given me, which made me ask you "Why do you do that?". The truth is, you do that a LOT - isn't it? You read people's little homepages, and write them email about their html mistakes. People who probably don't give a hoot about HTML, and used a WYSIYG editor to make it. Then along comes Veronica, a total stranger to them, who drops them a flame in the email, about all their HTML errors. And you know what they think? They think you're a nut. Which would be right. Now you've went and let all AAA know it, too. Yep; only a total whizwhack would go around reading source code on strangers' homepages, looking for errors, and sending them critical emails about it, for ENTERTAINMENT. Anyone disagree? ... I thought not. > That's not what you're talking about here though. The > rest of the group don't know about the discussion between you and me > where I had found a problem on one of your pages and wrote to you and > told you how to fix it (just as I had previously told you about all > sorts of HTML related things). At that time I still thought of you a bit > the way a teacher thinks about a student (since I did get you started > with that site). The result? Page after page of insults from you! No, you sent me a rude email, bruhahah'ing about a mistake on a temporary page I had up. I wrote back and told you that was rude, and explained to you why your email would have offended anyone who received such, and asked you not to send any more rude letters to me, if you wanted to correspond with me. You merely contended it was okay for you to be rude, and that I should be friends with you, anyway. Rudely, I might add. Well, I replied to you in kind, but later, I sent you an appology, saying I felt I was too harsh on you. You see, I'm a good guy, and you're a kotex. Anyway, you couldn't take it, and stayed away from AAA for a long time. Too bad it wasn't permanent, if you are going to act like this. Oh, and your bitch about my temp page? I want everyone to KNOW about THIS: Your bitch was it would be UNREADABLE, to anyone who visited the page, who had their browser set to a LIME GREEN background setting. No shit, folks. That was her problem with it. Now, is that nutty, or am I just being stubborn? Oh, I went ahead and made the suggested "change" she wanted me to, anyway. It didn't stop her from continuing to tell me how wonderful a thing it was, for her to flame me about that in email. Maybe you kept all the emails, Veronica... Why don't you post 'em? And as for "starting that webpage for me", I didn't ask you to. You did it, all on your own. I used to consider it a mark of honor, that I DIDN'T keep a webpage. And I knew when you presented it to me, that you would some day come around, announcing to the world that YOU GOT ME STARTED, and try to glean what CREDIT you could from that. Hell, if you remember correctly, when you first told me about that page, I told you I didn't want it. Only after I'd seen all the work that you had done, putting it up, did I feel guilty and say I would work on it. And I might remind you that I've had two crummy pages, in the past. I grew bored with both of them, and let the things go. I'll also point out, miss expert, you didn't know shit about a CSS page, until I asked you more than once, about the things. You went to work on researching that, when you felt your training had failed you. And you did a pretty good job of learning it, too. I'd say you're probably pretty good at CSS, now. Congratulations. > You keep referring to anonymous people you have talked to in email. I'll > do the same and mention that at least one person (right now I can think > of two specific people, both of which like to draw very tiny pictures) > has told me to stop responding to you - because discussing things with > you is just one big waste of time. After the HTML error incident I > realised that they are right, and that's why I chose to respond in the > group rather than in email. You should take their advice. I know the only two people who would write you, anyway. They're not bad folks, and they're giving you good guidance. You are a blockhead for not taking it. > And they do, but people tend to run out of patience when they see the > fifteenth-or-so such post from the same person. If that person then goes > back to your tutorial and sees that you say that he is doing the right > thing... Don't you think one possile logical conclusion for a person in > that situation can be that you are right and the people telling him to > do something else are wrong and then ignore the corrections and go on > posting as before? I don't know of anyone who has kept posting non-standard characters 15 times. I am AMAZED it seems to have taken you so long to get it right, in your "early days", however. From the number of pictures you say you posted, that were all full of non-standards, all I can say is it sure takes you a loonngg time to listen to folks who are trying to tell you something right. You sure do seem to only learn, at length. And people are supposed to refer to those things, to get a start in text art. Then they're supposed to post, here, or do whatever they want with their pictures. The majority of folks who read that thing, won't post extendeds. If anyone does, that is easily correctable... Unless they're really thick-headed, like a little student in Sweden I have in mind... > It seems that these "professionals" are newbies at making ascii art. > What about people who are professionals at something computer related, > do you give their opinions as much weight? (After all, they know > *exactly* what goes on "under the hood" in a computer...) Last I heard, you couldn't GET a job in the computer business, anywhere, while I see total amateurs (from this newsgroup, even), who get computer- related jobs. Is this because you don't know shit, besides a little HTML, or because no employer can stand your arrogant, meatball ways? I employ folks, myself, you know. I don't hire people of your temperament. I hope, though, that you do have a job, now. I hope you took my advice, and got on at the chocolate factory. Last time we talked about that, you said it was a "nice dream". Well... Since your address hasn't changed, I guess you've still found ways to stay on at school. At least you can eat in the cafeteria. > You have high expectations! One fairly large picture a day isn't enough > for you? OK, I'm back to a more normal pace now, but still... You're dreaming, again. Snnrf, Snnrf. You've made a little under 500 posts to this newsgroup, in the years you've trolled here. Most of them look like flames and corrections, to me. Or are you also counting your "Chatfiles"? ... Maybe we should get some folks from IRC to start posting their logs, or whatever they call them. > 1. Have somebody explain to you what an analogy is and how > it works. > > 2. I have sent URLs to the FAQ to many people who have > stayed, so your claim that showing somebody the FAQ > is a sure way to drive him off is not true. I have > received enough "thank you for the information" emails > to know that my method works very well. Please name all these people. I KNOW you are not discrete enough to mind doing that. Let them come forward, and apply suction to you. > If it says "don't do this" it also explains why. It's warning you not to > do things that are known to cause people to get flamed in this > newsgroup. What's wrong with *that*? Also, you may have an endless > amount of time to spend making name signs for every newbie, but I know I > don't. I also know that most such signs can be made quite easily with > Figlet. What's wrong with saying that straight out in the FAQ? WARNING - that implies a threat. People wanting to enjoy themselves don't like to be warned and threatened. It's not the information in the faqs, it's the fact (as others have pointed out) that their tone is too often condescending and threatening. Not that you'd notice, I'm sure. The fact that they are boring and unhelpful about the main question people really have - "How do I make a picture" - is beside the point. As to making signs for people, yes, I do a few. Others also do. That's our business. I also tell them to get figlet, or check a figlet web utility. You say "newbie" as if it was a dirty word. Why is that? Probably because you like to flame them, as you have said before. Just for fun. Just because they've posted a request or made a mistake. You don't offer them advice in an encouraging manner - you flame them. > 1. Again, look up that analogy thing. > > 2. "ascii art time" is certainly an appropriate time for > entertainment. "Reading up on what is appropriate in a > specific newsgroup time" is a time for correct > information. If you can come up with a good way to > combine the two, fine. If you can't, chose the correct > but boring version before the entertaining but incorrect > one. -> I <- never "read up" on what was "appropriate" for this newsgroup. If it was REQUIRED, I doubt I would ever have posted a thing. If given a choice, anyone wanting to have fun would NOT read that faq you so dearly love. For one thing, it just doesn't quite address the main question. My little tutorials attempt to be entertaining, and do answer that question. Read what others have said. > Your suggested method for finding out if a character is good to use for > ascii art (i.e. checking if one can find it on one's keyboard) obviously > does not work for everybody. I presume you mean YOU, when you say "everybody". Sorry, I didn't tailor that to YOU. Just how many non-standard characters do you have, on your keyboard? Well, if someone else with a keyboard like yours starts posting here (unlikely, but possible), and they learned all about ascii from those tutorials, then I think I, or someone else, can possibly point out to them that they have made a mistake, which they can easily correct. At least, if they did read those things, and did decide to try their hand at text art, the things accomplished their purpose - to demonstrate and show them how to get started in making text art. Whatever other assistance they may require, can come later. If I the content of one of the FACKS into the things, they would probably be bored, and never try text art. Or offended, and never try text art. > The part I underlined here, the words "at the sending end", means that > it was you who did the wrapping, not me. I didn't wrap on my newsreader. Your newsreader is the one too narrow. Like it or not, most people reading this newsgroup use the dreaded OE5. I don't much like it, myself, but it does allow me to post wider pix, and most people don't complain. If they have trouble with them, they either edit the pix themselves, go to the next, or they can post or write to me to email them some other format, so they can view it. > The above mess was also wrapped by you, not me (I have corrected it for > you in the rest of the post). Apparently I have more control over my > newsreader than you have over yours. I'm glad your newsreader will adjust to see my wider posts. I'll probably make more of them, and am flattered you go out of your way in your desire to read them. > Yup! Sure is better than email. This way everybody can see the whole > discussion and draw their own conclusions. Do you really think re-using > the same lame pictures again, for the n'th time, and adding little > sarcastic comments everywhere is going to make you look any better? I don't need to look better. You're the troll, here. And I think most folks have already drawn their own conclusion. And it's that you're a troll. So sorry you don't like my Martians. Maybe I should repost "email", so everyone can see what I mailed to you, to let you know I didn't want to be your little cyber-sugar-daddy. The one I had posted here, had the name edited. I should post it again, as I emailed it to you. > No, I mention my Swedish keyboard as an example. There are others, as > you will see if you try to search for e.g. "international keyboards" in > some search engine (I got 818 hits in Alta Vista for that particular > phrase). Boy, you went to all that trouble? Only a whacko would go "researching" stuff like this, for a silly little newsgroup argument. I'd rather be reading "Paradise Lost" again. > Post editing! That's just lame of you. Sorry, I posted from the email version you sent me. I'm really sorry about that. > Should be: > > 1. Realise that not everybody use American keyboards. You realize it, and ask for assistance if you need it. I think I will help you out, and prepare a special, Swedish keyboard version of that tutorial. I'm sure you'll find it a lot of help. > Yes, please! :-D > > (Though, in this case, I didn't take the bus because I "had to" but > because it was very icy on the roads that day. I preferred to let the > professional drivers worry about the road and spent the time reading a > comic book instead. Sounds like an intelligently lazy, simple and > entertaining solution to me...) No, I think you don't have a car, and are mad about the bus. You're lazy, but not intelligent. I've been without wheels before, also. I'm sure everybody has. It's bad, but slog along as best you can. We ain't got buses, here, so you're one- up on me. Rest assured, there is no shame in riding the bus, or in walking. There's no reason to be mad over that, and then take it out by posting flames to aaa. > Speak for yourself Mr "I could care less". You are still quite wrong. Ask around, again. Everyone will tell you that is a perfectly good phrase, indicating that someone doesn't care, ect.. > Sometimes, in alt.romath, yes. Not in this group though. Sometimes, everywhere you post, I imagine. Here is no exception. I don't think you are helping yourself, by admitting to being a newsgroup troll, but claiming you "don't do it here". > Not correct. I know some trolls who make a point of not denying > anything. YOU would know more about this, than me. You're the troll, after all. > I know at least one troll who would not flame newbies, only regulars. > Other than that, much of his opinions were similar to what you have > shown in this thread. He did eventually write his own FAQ. > > http://www.hobsonsquare.com/HTMLFAQ.htm You like to flame both new and old, on AAA. I'm sure you've studied up on "how to be a troll". I fear I am not much interested in that. Sometimes your ISP drops you, for being a troll. You might do well to consider that, seeing as how you are using a university's system, to read/post through. I know our local university doesn't approve of such behavior. But maybe they do, in Ludd. > Apparently he did it by copying things from others, but those others > decided to see it as flattery rather than copyright violation. > > Some trolls may do this (people like PC or BS who seem to just want to > destroy things), but most that I have seen have had the opposite effect. That depends upon the individual who was "copied" from, and how it was used. If you're saying you are going to start copying everything I post, I guess that will depend on how you use it, as to how I view your use of my words, pictures, ect.. I prefer you leave my initials on my pictures, but if you don't, I can't stop you; unless your school doesn't appreciate a copyright violator, using their computer. You know, Pete once did this thing you are announcing you intend to do to me. He was copying folks' pictures for a while, and posting them with his initials. You were pretty mad about it, at the time. > Regular posters can be wrong too. Pointing that out doesn't have to be > an attempt to embarrass anybody. I am not wrong. You are. I posted two tutorials I had made, that were intended to give a beginner a good starting point to go from, in making their own text art. There is not a thing wrong with them. Whatever information you feel I should have included, you should include in your own tutorial. I promise not to correct it, if it ever appears. > Some trolls do that. Some trolls don't. Some trolls do that, but have a > good reason for it. So, you are saying you have an excuse for being a troll? I don't think there is one. > A few months ago I would probably have agreed with you about your > opinions about trolls. That was before I learned that there are good > guys among the trolls too. I was wrong. I learned. This paragraph makes no sense. My opinion is that trolls run a newsgroup down. They run the readers away, and disgust the regulars. This is the kind of thing YOU do. Then, if I understand you correctly, you learned trolls, like yourself, could be good guys. But you were wrong, because you've learned. Well, speaking to you - Veronicastein the troll - I take it you mean you are going to stop being a troll? Is that what you mean? I hope so. You are on MY thread, you know - not YOURS. Go away. Or the next thing I will propose, is a referendum. JRO ###### From: Veronica Karlsson Newsgroups: alt.ascii-art Subject: Re: So, You Want To Make Text Art? Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2000 15:14:17 +0100 Lines: 604 Message-ID: <38720039.1100@earthling.net> References: <8404ni$bve$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <386C9520.5C2E@earthling.net> <386e673e.0@206.103.97.91> <386EA280.25F9@earthling.net> <386F0346.9AB412B7@gtcom.net> <386F08E6.7BB1@earthling.net> <386f48ac.0@206.103.97.91> <386F7294.7C46@earthling.net> <84p7pi$gej$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <38715D23.2966@earthling.net> <3871cf61.0@206.103.97.91> NNTP-Posting-Host: lambda65.sm.luth.se Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (X11; I; SunOS 5.7 sun4u) Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!feed2.news.luth.se!luth.se!news.kth.se!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.ascii-art:7288 JRO wrote: > Veronica Karlsson wrote: > > > > Why don't you go look up the stats? Tried that, and found nothing but a bunch of places *selling* the things. > Others on this thread, from other > nations, seem to think my guesstimate isn't too far off. These "others" being _one_ person. > Even if it is > a little off, so what? I'll change it to 95% or 88%, as I wish. It's > not too far off the real thing, any way you want to put it. Even if it is, say, 10% who use other types of keyboards, that's still quite a lot. You should also consider that two Eurpean countries, Holland and Finland, seem to be over-represented in this newsgroup. > I asked some Spanish folks I know... Only got two replies, so far. They > got standard keyboards. I only know one Spanish person, and she moved back to Spain a couple of years ago. I do remember adopting her Swedish keyboard to handle both Swedish and Spanish characters. I also shared my Swedish-and-Spanish keyboard solution with a guy from Chile, who also had a need for that specific combination. > I don't have to back up anything. You're the one with the non-standard > keyboard, Oh, my keyboard is quite standard where I live. I have only seen American keyboards in one place: the junk corner at Ludd, along with some monochrome monitors and other extremely old and outdated equipment. > And as far as text art goes, it's ALL entertainment. Breaking that > law, and turning it into something boring is the crime. Go bore people > with correct answers, on your chat page, you criminal. Oh, so being boring is a crime, but deliberately misleading people is OK? Yeah, right! > > If I have trouble reading a page that I find interesting (or think I > > might find interesting if I didn't have trouble reading it) I may > > sometimes do that. > > Oh, a MUCH paler admission, than the one you have previously given me, > which made me ask you "Why do you do that?". The truth is, you do that > a LOT - isn't it? I think the last time was a couple of months ago. It was a page about Vikings. They designer had posted an apology on the page that the background image might have too much contrast for some readers. I wrote to him and told him how to place the background image in his stylesheet. I also told him that he used a font size setting that caused some of the text to be unreadable, and gave him some screenshots of his pages that displayed the probelms. His reply? A "thank you" note. He had found the screenshots very useful. > You read people's little homepages, and write them > email about their html mistakes. People who probably don't give a hoot > about HTML, and used a WYSIYG editor to make it. I usually just make a copy of a problem page, make a few changes, add a and surf on from my own hard drive. It's only if I care about the page for some reason (e.g. because it belongs to a friend, or because I find it particularly interesting) that I send a comment. > Yep; only a total whizwhack would go around reading source code on > strangers' homepages, looking for errors, You got that backwards. I find an error (a page doesn't "work" in some way), then I look in the source for the cause of the error. > and sending them critical > emails about it, for ENTERTAINMENT. Anyone disagree? I don't find non-functioning web pages entertaining. > > That's not what you're talking about here though. The > > rest of the group don't know about the discussion between you and me > > where I had found a problem on one of your pages and wrote to you and > > told you how to fix it (just as I had previously told you about all > > sorts of HTML related things). At that time I still thought of you a bit > > the way a teacher thinks about a student (since I did get you started > > with that site). The result? Page after page of insults from you! > > No, you sent me a rude email, bruhahah'ing about a mistake on a temporary > page I had up. I don't recall doing any "bruhahah'ing" about that page. I do remember already having a disucssion about html and web design with you, and thinking of this as an addition to that. I didn't want to just say "Add this tag!", since that wouldn't explain *why*. Instead I did a little "analysis" of the page. I took you through it step by step (not unlike your tutorials...) showing what was good and what was not so good. Result: You totally freaked out! > I wrote back and told you that was rude, and explained to > you why your email would have offended anyone who received such, You are the only one who has ever reacted that way to such an email from me. A whole lot of other people did not get offended. (But then I haven't sent nearly as many of those as you seem to think I have.) > and asked > you not to send any more rude letters to me, if you wanted to correspond > with me. Ah! The threat to stop corresponding with me. Sorry, that one does not frighten me. There are enough people out there to correspond with without you necessarily having to be one of them. > You merely contended it was okay for you to be rude, Considering that I didn't remember being rude to you to begin with, sure. > Anyway, you couldn't take it, and stayed away from AAA for a long time. > Too bad it wasn't permanent, if you are going to act like this. Huh? THIS is news to me! I don't remember "staying away from AAA" for more than a week or so during the last couple of *years*! Good thing the truthfulness of your statement can be checked... Lets see. I found that your apology letter arrived here some time around 17 October 1999. Deja Power Search... I find posts from me to aaa on the following days: Date Diff. 99/10/15 99/10/18 3 99/10/26 8 99/10/28 2 99/10/30 2 99/10/31 1 You're right, there does seem to be a little eight-day "gap" there, between the 18'th and the 26'th! Lets see what I posted to _other groups_ during those days... Nothing! Lets see what the first thing to appear after this mysterious "gap" is: http://www.deja.com/=dnc/[ST_rn=ps]/getdoc.xp?AN=540300617 Oh yeah, I remember that. It was when the server here didn't send out my posts properly. Very annoying! Conclusion: This had nothing to do with you. (BTW, I wouldn't call eight days "a long time") > Oh, and your bitch about my temp page? I want everyone to KNOW about THIS: > Your bitch was it would be UNREADABLE, to anyone who visited the page, > who had their browser set to a LIME GREEN background setting. You had made a mistake, which might not be visible in your browser (you do still use IE5, right?) but which was visible in Netscape 4. For all I knew you might go on to make the same mistake on other pages, e.g. ending up with pages that were black-on-black... > Maybe you kept all the emails, Veronica... Why don't you post 'em? No I didn't. For some reason I do still have a copy of the one with the apology (probably because I cleaned out my inbox between the time you sent me the long rants and the time you sent the apology). > And as for "starting that webpage for me", I didn't ask you to. No, but you did ask me a number of things about how to achieve certain visual effects in html. Your "best" solution was a series of screenshots... > You > did it, all on your own. I used to consider it a mark of honor, that > I DIDN'T keep a webpage. Oh, but you *did* have a webpage prior to that! IIRC you had *two*. You were experimenting with getting the pictures to show up in a way that you could find acceptable (the screenshots, and also various combinations of coloured tables...). In the meantime people were nagging on you to get things started. I just speeded up the process a little. > And I knew when you presented it to me, that > you would some day come around, announcing to the world that YOU GOT > ME STARTED, and try to glean what CREDIT you could from that. I'm not trying to "get credit" for anything. I just explained why I felt that your web page deserved improvement, and why I felt that I was the one who should comment on an error on it. Again, we already had a discussion about web design going. > Hell, if > you remember correctly, when you first told me about that page, I told > you I didn't want it. I don't remember you saying anything of the kind. Maybe I *should* have kept those letters after all... > I'll also point out, miss expert, you didn't know shit about a CSS > page, until I asked you more than once, about the things. If I "didn't know shit about CSS" before that, how come i had already applied CSS to both my own homepage and that of a place I worked for a year ago? Anybody who was a regular in my chat when it was new can verify that I had CSS on at least parts of my homepage in June 1998 (this includes people such as Krogg, llizard, Shimrod, Joris, FS and Martin). You're making stuff up! > You went to > work on researching that, when you felt your training had failed you. > And you did a pretty good job of learning it, too. I'd say you're > probably pretty good at CSS, now. Congratulations. *yawn* How does it feel to be caught lying just to make yourself look good? > You should take their advice. I know the only two people who would write > you, anyway. They're not bad folks, and they're giving you good guidance. > You are a blockhead for not taking it. Nope! Right now I'm just exposing you to the world. :-) > I don't know of anyone who has kept posting non-standard characters 15 > times. Sarah Day? TooShy? (no, I'm not going to go to Deja and count those) And a bunch of others whose names haven't stuck in my memory. > I am AMAZED it seems to have taken you so long to get it right, > in your "early days", however. From the number of pictures you say you > posted, that were all full of non-standards, Yeah! All of two pictures. Very large number! > > It seems that these "professionals" are newbies at making ascii art. > > What about people who are professionals at something computer related, > > do you give their opinions as much weight? (After all, they know > > *exactly* what goes on "under the hood" in a computer...) > > Last I heard, you couldn't GET a job in the computer business, anywhere, I couldn't get a computer related _summer job_ in _Luleå_. I did get _a_ job, but it did not have anything to do with computers, and it wasn't just for the summer. > while I see total amateurs (from this newsgroup, even), who get computer- > related jobs. Is this because you don't know shit, besides a little HTML, > or because no employer can stand your arrogant, meatball ways? > > I employ folks, myself, you know. I don't hire people of your temperament. I do recall you mentioning that you were unemployed. You're not a student with short-time summer job problems... You *are* however the one person in this discussion using name-calling and other insults as a discussion method. You are the one replying to two line comments with thirty line rants. You are the one bringing up issues that are completely unrelated to the original discussion. Why? Is it an attempt to make the rest of us forget that the discussion is really about you giving incorrect advice about how to determine if a character is "good" or "bad" for ascii art? Is it an attempt to turn the focus of the discussion away from simple facts about ascii art and in the direction of my person? Why? To discourage me from keeping the discussion going? > I hope, though, that you do have a job, now. I'm studying (that's what students do when it's not summer holidays...). > I hope you took my advice, > and got on at the chocolate factory. Last time we talked about that, > you said it was a "nice dream". Considering that there is no such thing as "the chocolate factory" in this city it must have been a dream... > Well... Since your address hasn't changed, I guess you've still found > ways to stay on at school. At least you can eat in the cafeteria. What do you mean "found ways"? I'm not finished with my education. There is no need to "find ways". And the restaurants at this school are much too expensive (much more expensive than most other restaurants - because they all have the same owner (I don't know if that's even *legal*, but it is a fact of life for students here)). > > You have high expectations! One fairly large picture a day isn't enough > > for you? OK, I'm back to a more normal pace now, but still... > > You're dreaming, again. Snnrf, Snnrf. Not dreaming: http://www.ludd.luth.se/~vk/pics/ascii/CHRISTMAS99.HTML That's a picture a day for most of December. > You've made a little under 500 > posts to this newsgroup, in the years you've trolled here. I have made zero posts to this newsgroup in the years I have trolled here. Why? Because I haven't trolled here. > Most of > them look like flames and corrections, to me. Or are you also counting > your "Chatfiles"? People seem to enjoy my Chat Goodies Archive quite a lot: http://www.ludd.luth.se/~vk/pics/ascii/junkyard/chat/ > ... Maybe we should get some folks from IRC to start posting their > logs, or whatever they call them. Why not, if they're amusing and on-topic... :-) > Please name all these people. I KNOW you are not discrete enough to > mind doing that. Let them come forward, and apply suction to you. Sorry, I only keep the email addresses (for the purpose of avoiding sending the same person the same email twice). I have noticed quite a few newbies who have stayed in the time I have sent out FAQ pointers to most of the newbies who enter the group (I may have missed one or two, or decided not to send one to some who specifically appeared to not need it). > WARNING - that implies a threat. People wanting to enjoy themselves > don't like to be warned and threatened. Are you saying they enjoy getting flamed? > It's not the information in > the faqs, it's the fact (as others have pointed out) that their tone > is too often condescending and threatening. I haven't noticed either condescending of threatening tone in the FAQ. I have noticed how several people have suggested improvements of the FAQ. These suggestions have been discussed, and some have been added. You can either work on improving the existing FAQ or write your own. Whining about how rude and horrible it is is just lame. > Not that you'd notice, > I'm sure. The fact that they are boring and unhelpful about the main > question people really have - "How do I make a picture" - is beside > the point. Oh! I thought "the main question" people ask here is "Can you make my name in ascii for me in a cool font?". Answer: Try Figlet. > You say "newbie" as if it was a dirty word. Why is that? It's not a "dirty word". We've all been newbies. I certainly don't *mean* it as a "dirty word". I mean it as a description of a group of people, not an insult. The fact that newbies can often be very annoying (as you yourself said, you kept writing the same thing over and over and over again, until your fingers were numb...) does not mean that the word "newbie" has to be an insult. > -> I <- never "read up" on what was "appropriate" for this > newsgroup. If it was REQUIRED, I doubt I would ever have > posted a thing. It's required by the regulars in most newsgroups. Wether _you_ knew about it or not does not change that. > If given a choice, anyone wanting to have > fun would NOT read that faq you so dearly love. For one > thing, it just doesn't quite address the main question. > My little tutorials attempt to be entertaining, and do > answer that question. Read what others have said. Again, a FAQ is not *supposed* to be a tutorial. It's supposed to be a quick and easy way for a newbie to stop being a newbie and become a regular - in the newsgroup, not necessarily as an artist. E.g. there are regulars who are not artists but who are useful contributors to the group anyway. > > Your suggested method for finding out if a character is good to use for > > ascii art (i.e. checking if one can find it on one's keyboard) obviously > > does not work for everybody. > > I presume you mean YOU, when you say "everybody". "Does not work for everybody" = "May not work for some people" I am one such person, yes. There are also others. > Sorry, I didn't tailor > that to YOU. Just how many non-standard characters do you have, on your > keyboard? Quite a few, and I keep finding more all the time... :-) Hey! Look, here are two more: Øß > Well, if someone else with a keyboard like yours starts posting > here (unlikely, but possible), More likely: several already are. > > The part I underlined here, the words "at the sending end", means that > > it was you who did the wrapping, not me. > > I didn't wrap on my newsreader. It did wrap at your end. > Your newsreader is the one too narrow. No. I have set force-wrap off, and usually have a window that's maybe 100 or so characters wide. Most posts appear with a blank grey non-written area taking up about 1/3 of the window. Your post wrapped (check it at Deja if you don't believe me). > Like it or not, most people reading this newsgroup use the dreaded OE5. I don't like it, and I am aware of it. > I don't much like it, myself, but it does allow me to post wider pix, > and most people don't complain. If they have trouble with them, they > either edit the pix themselves, go to the next, or they can post or > write to me to email them some other format, so they can view it. That particular post had wrapping errors. The one I'm now responding to does not. I do know the difference. > I'm glad your newsreader will adjust to see my wider posts. I'll probably > make more of them, and am flattered you go out of your way in your desire > to read them. I don't "go out of my way" to read your messages. They appear the way you sent them in my usual settings. I do clean up minor wrapping "noise" when I respond to posts. I do this for other people too, so no need for you to feel special about that either. > > Yup! Sure is better than email. This way everybody can see the whole > > discussion and draw their own conclusions. Do you really think re-using > > the same lame pictures again, for the n'th time, and adding little > > sarcastic comments everywhere is going to make you look any better? > > I don't need to look better. You're the troll, here. And I think most > folks have already drawn their own conclusion. And it's that you're a > troll. Sure, whatever you say. :-) > So sorry you don't like my Martians. That's just a matter of taste. I believe others enjoy that cartoon more than I do. It's the using of them to "speak for you" that's ridiculous. > Maybe I should repost "email", so > everyone can see what I mailed to you, to let you know I didn't want to > be your little cyber-sugar-daddy. The one I had posted here, had the name > edited. I didn't notice. As I said, I didn't read more than one paragraph of the email. It didn't occur to me to "diff" the two messages. *shrug* > > No, I mention my Swedish keyboard as an example. There are others, as > > you will see if you try to search for e.g. "international keyboards" in > > some search engine (I got 818 hits in Alta Vista for that particular > > phrase). > > Boy, you went to all that trouble? Only a whacko would go "researching" > stuff like this, for a silly little newsgroup argument. I'd rather be > reading "Paradise Lost" again. Lets see, that "research" required me to write the two words "international keyboards", click on a button and read a number. Very exhausting! *yawn* > > Post editing! That's just lame of you. > > Sorry, I posted from the email version you sent me. I'm really > sorry about that. Considering that I didn't send you any "email version"... > No, I think you don't have a car, and are mad about the bus. You're lazy, > but not intelligent. Correct. I don't have a car (and even if I did, it wouldn't have been in that end of the country on that day). My mother does have one though. It stayed safely in the garage while we went on our usual Christmas visit to some relatives by bus. > I've been without wheels before, also. I'm sure everybody has. It's bad, > but slog along as best you can. We ain't got buses, here, so you're one- > up on me. Rest assured, there is no shame in riding the bus, or in walking. > There's no reason to be mad over that, and then take it out by posting > flames to aaa. I'm not "mad" about it. There was a choice: Take the car out on *very* icy roads (-3C and raining...) or take the bus and let somebody else (a professional) worry about the condition of the road. The car option would have been faster, but could also have ended up with my mother *really* having no car. Volvos are no fun to drive on icy winter roads! > > I know at least one troll who would not flame newbies, only regulars. > > Other than that, much of his opinions were similar to what you have > > shown in this thread. He did eventually write his own FAQ. > > > > http://www.hobsonsquare.com/HTMLFAQ.htm > > You like to flame both new and old, on AAA. I'm sure you've studied up > on "how to be a troll". I fear I am not much interested in that. Sometimes > your ISP drops you, for being a troll. Nope. My ISP has never "dropped" me. Other students here experience exactly the same problems that I do. Just five minutes ago I got a question from another student (FS) if I could read the newsgroups. > > Regular posters can be wrong too. Pointing that out doesn't have to be > > an attempt to embarrass anybody. > > I am not wrong. You are. I posted two tutorials I had made, that were > intended to give a beginner a good starting point to go from, in making > their own text art. There is not a thing wrong with them. Come on! It is a FACT that the advice you give, on that one specific point, is wrong. > Whatever information > you feel I should have included, you should include in your own tutorial. > I promise not to correct it, if it ever appears. I have no intention of producing any such "own material". > > Some trolls do that. Some trolls don't. Some trolls do that, but have a > > good reason for it. > > So, you are saying you have an excuse for being a troll? I don't think > there is one. Most of my trolling consists of giving people ascii art sigs. My reason for doing this? To make Usenet a little prettier. :-) > > A few months ago I would probably have agreed with you about your > > opinions about trolls. That was before I learned that there are good > > guys among the trolls too. I was wrong. I learned. > > This paragraph makes no sense. > > My opinion is that trolls run a newsgroup down. In this case my opinion is slightly different than your opinion. I haven't changed regarding people like PC and BS. I have, however, met _other trolls_ who have been both nice and polite. Some of them participated in my "Sig competition" last summer (remember, a similar idea to the one you have used for "shows" on various themes). > They run the readers away, and disgust the regulars. The ones I see in alt.romath usually argue with people who can't seem to get simple things (such as the definition of "spam") right, or who can't seem to understand that there is a difference between Usenet and email. Some of them just make jokes most of the time, or exchange recipes... > This is the kind of thing YOU do. I don't recognise myself in your description. Clearly, you and I have different definitions of the word "troll". > Then, if I understand you correctly, you learned trolls, like yourself, > could be good guys. But you were wrong, because you've learned. I was wrong when I said that "trolls are bad guys" because I met some nice ones and learned that some trolls are good guys. > Well, speaking to you - Veronicastein the troll - I take it you mean you > are going to stop being a troll? Is that what you mean? > > I hope so. You are on MY thread, you know - not YOURS. Go away. Or > the next thing I will propose, is a referendum. You can't *own* a newsgroup thread. It has a life of its own. Sometimes threads make unexpected developments. -- (, http://www.ludd.luth.se/~vk/cgi/asciichat/ /|__--__ . __--__ |\ '__ /|\ _{ _ `.' / `.,_ _________ | _________ _,.' (/ `. / ||``._.' ASCII ART CHAT! `---'|:||,/ .' /| /|:| \ .' /\ \ __ __ _ `/|'\' ` `,/ /`,\ \ \ / /__ _ _ ___ _ _ (_)__ __ _ /,'\ \ .'.' /| \ V / -_) '_/ _ \ ' \| / _/ _` | |\ `.`. ,' / / | \_/\___|_| \___/_||_|_\__\__,_| | \ \ `, - `- -- `-'- -ejm-------------------------------------VK-- -`-' -- -' - ###### From: Przemyslaw Brojewski Newsgroups: alt.ascii-art Subject: Re: So, You Want To Make Text Art? Date: 4 Jan 2000 18:06:51 GMT Organization: KIS - Katedra Informatyki Stosowanej Lines: 77 Message-ID: <84tcrr$43s$1@kujawiak.man.lodz.pl> References: <8404ni$bve$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <386C9520.5C2E@earthling.net> <386e673e.0@206.103.97.91> <386EA280.25F9@earthling.net> <386F0346.9AB412B7@gtcom.net> <386F08E6.7BB1@earthling.net> <386f48ac.0@206.103.97.91> <386F7294.7C46@earthling.net> <84p7pi$gej$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <38715D23.2966@earthling.net> <3871cf61.0@206.103.97.91> NNTP-Posting-Host: zly.kis.p.lodz.pl X-Trace: kujawiak.man.lodz.pl 947009211 4220 212.51.216.2 (4 Jan 2000 18:06:51 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@man.lodz.pl NNTP-Posting-Date: 4 Jan 2000 18:06:51 GMT User-Agent: tin/1.4.1-19991201 ("Polish") (UNIX) (SunOS/5.7 (i86pc)) Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news-fra1.dfn.de!news.man.poznan.pl!news.man.lodz.pl!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.ascii-art:7307 JRO wrote: : Veronica Karlsson wrote in message news:38715D23.2966@earthling.net... :> "what ASCII stands for" is not the same thing as "what kinds of :> keyboards people reading your tutorials are using". There may be some :> similarity between the two for people using American keyboards, but :> that's no excuse for confusing people who happen to come from other :> countries than you. : Well, if they're like you - fuck 'em. On the other hand, I don't think This time you've gone a little bit to far. I prefer to be fucked by a person of my choice, thank you. On the other hand, you don't think. It's high time you started thinking, boy. Or in other words: think what you write, not the other way round. : I didn't wrap on my newsreader. Your newsreader is the one too narrow. : Like it or not, most people reading this newsgroup use the dreaded OE5. : I don't much like it, myself, but it does allow me to post wider pix, : and most people don't complain. If they have trouble with them, they : either edit the pix themselves, go to the next, or they can post or : write to me to email them some other format, so they can view it. : I'm glad your newsreader will adjust to see my wider posts. I'll probably : make more of them, and am flattered you go out of your way in your desire : to read them. Now you've really pissed my off with an attitude like this. Yours "fuck'em" brought me here, And now it evolved to "it looks ok in my software, and if someone complains -- fuck'em". Let's see how many people in this newsgroup you fuck. I had a look at 118 articles posted to this group. The oldest was dated 30 Dec 1999 22:19:39 +0000 and the latest was from 04 Jan 2000 15:24:06 GMT no more articles were available on the newsserver I use. The articles were posted by 40 distinct people. Here's the boring chart how many of them used what software: 12 Microsoft Outlook Express 11 Mozilla 5 Forte Free Agent 4 Forte Agent 2 tin 1 postit.pl 1 fart 1 Turnpike 1 Supernews 1 MicroPlanet Gravity 1 MT-NewsWatcher 1 Deja.com thiese figures add up to 41 because some of them use more than one software package to read and post news. 12 people is indeed the largest group of useres in this newsgroup, but it's less then one-third of those who actively post. It's about 29%. I wouldn't call it 95% 90% 88% or whatever you might come up with. I wouldn't call it "most all". It's not any kind of "most". The thruth is, boy, that most people here use something other than "the dreaded OE5". some news servers wrap posts wider than 80 characters, because of historically evolved kind of standard. You probably know this, but don't give a shit. Anyway I drifted off the point. The point is that writing any post with lines longer than 80 characters minus some space for quoting is against netiqette. But you did not read netiquette. It is, after all, a kind of boring FAQ, and you don't read boring FAQs. And even if you have read them, you act against them. And if you like so much "Paradise Lost" than stop making guestimates, you're not good enough at it. brojek. ###### From: Ilmari Karonen Newsgroups: alt.ascii-art Subject: Re: So, You Want To Make Text Art? Date: 4 Jan 2000 19:19:05 GMT Organization: (dis)Order of the Holy Spoon (or whatever) Lines: 39 Distribution: world Message-ID: <84th39$hpg$1@tron.sci.fi> References: <8404ni$bve$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <386C9520.5C2E@earthling.net> <386e673e.0@206.103.97.91> <386EA280.25F9@earthling.net> <386F0346.9AB412B7@gtcom.net> <386F08E6.7BB1@earthling.net> <386f48ac.0@206.103.97.91> <386F7294.7C46@earthling.net> <84p7pi$gej$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: joshua.saunalahti.fi User-Agent: postit.pl 0.03 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!News.Amsterdam.UnisourceCS!newshunter!cosy.sbg.ac.at!news-feed.inet.tele.dk!bofh.vszbr.cz!newsfeed.tli.de!newsfeed2.news.nl.uu.net!sun4nl!uunet!ams.uu.net!ffx.uu.net!nntp.inet.fi!inet.fi!newsfeeds.saunalahti.fi!news.sci.fi!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.ascii-art:7287 On Mon, 03 Jan 2000 04:15:57 GMT, JRO (twelfwisp@my-deja.com) wrote: : : "`1234567890-=~!@#$%^&*()_+qwertyui : op[]QWERTYUIOP{}asdfghjkl;'ASDFGH : JKL:"zxcvbnm,./\ZXCVBNM<>?|...." : / : \__/ \__/ : (__) (__) : .//()\\ .//()\\ \ : .\\__// .\\__//"It IS accurate, but it : |||| |||| doesn't quite "sing"..." : |||| |||| : (_)(_) (_)(_) Actually, it looks a lot nicer if you write it like: !"#$%&'()*+,-./0123456789:;<=>?@ ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ[\]^_` abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz{|}~ Why not try to find a compromise - something short that'd fit in your tutorial without too much trouble: !"#$%&'()*+,-./ You shouldn't use any foreign characters in your 0123456789:;<=>? art, only those in the chart on the left. If you @ABCDEFGHIJKLMNO have an ordinary American keyboard, there should PQRSTUVWXYZ[\]^_ be no others visible on the keys, so you have no `abcdefghijklmno need to worry. However, if your keyboard has any pqrstuvwxyz{|}~ other characters be careful not to use them. Ok, it's not as short as I hoped, but at least it's bricktext. :-) Maybe you could just list the punctuation, and warn against any accented letters.. -- Ilmari Karonen - http://www.sci.fi/~iltzu/ "Which is not to say that I generally look at a given post and think 'Aha..one-hander'" -- Dustin K. Anderson in AFU ###### From: Lambda Newsgroups: alt.ascii-art Subject: Re: So, You Want To Make Text Art? Message-ID: References: <8404ni$bve$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <386C9520.5C2E@earthling.net> <386e673e.0@206.103.97.91> <386EA280.25F9@earthling.net> <386F0346.9AB412B7@gtcom.net> <386F08E6.7BB1@earthling.net> <386f48ac.0@206.103.97.91> <386F7294.7C46@earthling.net> <84p7pi$gej$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <38715D23.2966@earthling.net> <3871cf61.0@206.103.97.91> <84tcrr$43s$1@kujawiak.man.lodz.pl> Organization: UDUSS - http://uduss.cjb.net | insipid - http://insipid.cjb.net X-Newsreader: MicroPlanet Gravity v2.20 X-Is-Paranoid: yes X-No-Archive: yes Lines: 35 Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2000 19:44:40 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.43.207.237 X-Complaints-To: abuse@freesurf.fr X-Trace: nnrp3.clara.net 947015080 212.43.207.237 (Tue, 04 Jan 2000 19:44:40 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2000 19:44:40 GMT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!News.Amsterdam.UnisourceCS!newshunter!cosy.sbg.ac.at!newsfeed.Austria.EU.net!newscore.univie.ac.at!newsfeed1.uni2.dk!newsfeed.tli.de!newsfeed.icl.net!colt.net!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!nnrp3.clara.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.ascii-art:7320 [4 Jan 2000 18:06:51 GMT] Przemyslaw Brojewski (brojek@kis.p.lodz.pl) posted <84tcrr$43s$1@kujawiak.man.lodz.pl> in alt.ascii-art : --- 8< snip 8< snip 8< snip --- > Here's the boring chart how many of them used what software: > > 12 Microsoft Outlook Express > 11 Mozilla > 5 Forte Free Agent > 4 Forte Agent > 2 tin > 1 postit.pl > 1 fart > 1 Turnpike > 1 Supernews > 1 MicroPlanet Gravity ^^^ Hey! That's me! That's me! *proud* > 1 MT-NewsWatcher > 1 Deja.com --- 8< snip 8< snip 8< snip --- ObASCII : . <--- a micro-planet -- Lambda | Ultra Discreet Underground Secret Society http://insipid.cjb.net | http://www.uduss.cjb.net lambda@insipid.cjb.net | member #000001 - 000001@uduss.cjb.net _________________________________________________________________________ -You may also notice a laxative effect. ###### Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!not-for-mail From: Neil Franklin Newsgroups: alt.ascii-art Subject: Re: So, You Want To Make Text Art? Date: 05 Jan 2000 00:47:05 +0100 Organization: My own Private Self Lines: 87 Message-ID: <6uvh594cxy.fsf@chonsp.franklin.ch> References: <8404ni$bve$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <386C9520.5C2E@earthling.net> <386e673 e.0@206.103.97.91> <386EA280.25F9@earthling.net> <386F0346.9AB412B7@gtcom.net> < 386F08E6.7BB1@earthling.net> <386f48ac.0@206.103.97.91> <386F7294.7C46@earthling .net> <84p7pi$gej$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: chonsp.franklin.ch X-Trace: chonsp.franklin.ch 947029625 728 10.0.3.2 (4 Jan 2000 23:47:05 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news@chonsp.franklin.ch NNTP-Posting-Date: 4 Jan 2000 23:47:05 GMT X-Newsreader: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.ascii-art:7326 JRO writes: > > > For people with American keyboards, *maybe*. For people with, e.g. > > Swedish keyboards it was Bad Advice. And anyone with any other non-US, such as: britisch (has an pound sign), norwegan, finnish, danish, german, austrian, swiss, french, spanish, portuguese, italian, ... > simple information about what > ASCII stands for." American Simpleminded Ceyboard Is Iverywhere [groan, miserable pun] :-) > > computer users to have Spanish keyboards, etc. The world *is* bigger > > than just northern America. > / "But since more computers are there, than > / everywhere else in the world, and since That statistic is becoming rapidly outdated. The rest of the world is not in the stone age any more. And it has _lots_ of people in it. The EU has 330mio vs the US 250mio. And the spread of computers is not much lower here (and catching up). > / most ALL of them use ASCII, instead of EBCDIC? > > Here's that "90%" figure I mentioned in that other reply. Again: Is it > > based on fact or did you invent it? (the fact that it's "90" here and > > "99" in the other version would suggest that you invented it) > \/\__/\/ .\\__// "Yes, it is a reasonably > |||| |||| accurate figure, any way Huh? Make that 50-60% for the US. Expect 50%:50% to be reached this year. We extra-USials are catching up rapidly. > "`1234567890-=~!@#$%^&*()_+qwertyui > op[]QWERTYUIOP{}asdfghjkl;'ASDFGH > JKL:"zxcvbnm,./\ZXCVBNM<>?|...." > .\\__// .\\__//"It IS accurate, but it > JKL:"zxcvbnm,./\ZXCVBNM<>?|...." > .\\__// .\\__//"It IS accurate, but it > |||| |||| doesn't quite "sing"..." > > That's not a good excuse for giving bad advice, especially not since > the > > subject is quite simple anyway. Veronicas statement here was in the post that you answered to. But I could simply copy it here verbatim. Sacrificing significant amounts of accuracy for a little bit of "sing" is simply bad policy, long term wise. > > I still don't see the need for something quite simple, and yes, a > little > > "techy", to be *entertaining*. > > "Snrkk...No surprise, there. Veronica thinks it's a blast, > to read source code on web pages, and write total strangers So reading Web source may be a bit over the top. But do you need to go to the other extreme and get rid of anything remotely techy? Have Americans dumbed themselves down to that level that an simple ASCII chart is a threat to their self esteem? > > It is not an "opinion" that my Swedish keyboard contains the > characters > > §½ÅÄÖ. And equally a fact that over 100 national keyboard layouts have non-ASCII characters on them. > "Once again, she brings up > her non-standard keyboard. And by implication many others non-US (and totally standard) keyboards also. The rest of the world really is not like the US. -- Neil Franklin, neil@franklin.ch.remove http://neil.franklin.ch/ ###### Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!not-for-mail From: Neil Franklin Newsgroups: alt.ascii-art Subject: Re: So, You Want To Make Text Art? Date: 05 Jan 2000 01:29:44 +0100 Organization: My own Private Self Lines: 172 Message-ID: <6uso0d4ayv.fsf@chonsp.franklin.ch> References: <8404ni$bve$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <386C9520.5C2E@earthling.net> <386e673 e.0@206.103.97.91> <386EA280.25F9@earthling.net> <386F0346.9AB412B7@gtcom.net> < 386F08E6.7BB1@earthling.net> <386f48ac.0@206.103.97.91> <386F7294.7C46@earthling .net> <84p7pi$gej$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <38715D23.2966@earthling.net> <3871cf61.0@20 6.103.97.91> NNTP-Posting-Host: chonsp.franklin.ch X-Trace: chonsp.franklin.ch 947032187 756 10.0.3.2 (5 Jan 2000 00:29:47 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news@chonsp.franklin.ch NNTP-Posting-Date: 5 Jan 2000 00:29:47 GMT X-Newsreader: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.ascii-art:7327 "JRO" writes: > Veronica Karlsson wrote in message news:38715D23.2966 @earthling.net... > > > Please, show some statistics. So far all you've done is hint that "90%" > > (or is it "99%"?) and now "most ALL" of the computer users in the world > > use American keyboards. > > Why don't you go look up the stats? Because _you_ are the one claiming this statistic as an defense of your "anything on the keyboard" formula (of which you acknoledge that it fails on non-US keyboards). > Others on this thread, from other > nations, seem to think my guesstimate isn't too far off. Huh? Who? Name them, with Message-ID:s I definitely regard your statistic as totally bunk. > Even if it is > a little off, so what? I'll change it to 95% or 88%, as I wish. It's Try 60% or 50%. Not "a little" any more. > > Yes, sure, but what kinds of keyboards do they use? Don't you think > > somebody in Spain wants to write in Spanish to his friends? To do that > > comfortably he needs a Spanish keyboard: > > I asked some Spanish folks I know... Only got two replies, so far. They > got standard keyboards. I have a spanish guy in my office. He does not use an US keyboard. We also have an japanese (US educated) who complained about the non US keyboards here and had an US one specially ordered (no they are not standard issue). > > If you mention a statistic, either you can back it up or people can > > assume that you are simply lying and inventing numbers that suit your > > I don't have to back up anything. You do. Your totally wrong statistic. > You're the one with the non-standard > keyboard, who is trembling that someone might post an umlaut here. Should I follow your advise of "anything on the keyboard" and use any key? ° + " * ç % & / ( ) = ? ` § 1¦ 2@ 3# 4¼ 5½ 6¬ 7| 8¢ 9 0 '´ ^~ Q W E R T Z U I O P è ! q w e r t z u i o p ü[ ¨] A S D F G H J K L é à £ a s d f g h j k l ö ä{ $} > Y X C V B N M ; : _ <\ y x c v b n m , .· - And yes, that is 3 characters on some keys, with 2 types of shift keys. And yes, this is an official government standard keyboard as they are sold here by default with new PCs. > worry about it. But if it makes you feel any better, the last stat I > did hear, put over 90% of the home internet users here, in the USA. Paperlapapp. Make that about 70%. > That came off the TeeVee; PBS. Duh. TV Journalists. The timely source of information. That statistic was right about 2-3 years ago. > > I definitely agree that simple answers are better than complicated ones. > > I do not agree that an entertaining but incorrect answer is better than > > one that is boring but correct. > > No, you never agree with anything. If you did, you wouldn't have anything > to do. And as far as text art goes, it's ALL entertainment. Entertainment stops being entertaining when not played by the rules. Would you play cards or dice with someone who constantly disregards the rules or cheats? > Breaking that > law, and turning it into something boring is the crime. Wow. The total mindless "fun" society. Please forget the future. Check your brain in at the club door. > Yep; only a total whizwhack would go around reading source code on > strangers' homepages, looking for errors, and sending them critical > emails about it, for ENTERTAINMENT. Anyone disagree? Yes. Anyone interested in debugging a website would do that. Guess what: people who make web pages make then to be seen. Having an non-working web page is not in the designers intention. Helpfull hints are usually appreciated. > Your bitch was it would be UNREADABLE, to anyone who visited the page, A serious problem. Being that authors intend their pages to be read. Sort of 100% self-defeating. > who had their browser set to a LIME GREEN background setting. The most common Web designer error (I have even found it in a "Web how-to" FAQ: forgetting that Web browsers have preferences, and that some users actually make use of them (what a hideous crime!). Web pages should either leave coloring entirely to the users preferences or set an entire colour scheme. Relying on a mix of some page-set and some preferences-set colours leads to unreadability in n random combinations. > No shit, folks. That was her problem with it. Hers and that of any other surfer who sets preferences to make more out of their browser. And yours that the page you wrote for reading will not be read by some of your visitors. > Now, is that nutty, or > am I just being stubborn? You stubborn. If anything is worth doing, then it is worth doing properly. If defining an entire colour scheme is too much work (say for an temp page) then don't define any colours. Of course your Web page editing tool should really be set to default all new pages to your scheme (once worked out and then applied to all your pages). > > 1. Realise that not everybody use American keyboards. > > You realize it, and ask for assistance if you need it. She is not asking for assistance. She is asking you to not misslead newbies who know no better (to the detriment af all people who can not read broken pseudo-ASCII). > I think I will help you out, and prepare a special, Swedish > keyboard version of that tutorial. And are you going to make over 100 other versions for the over 100 keyboard layouts on this planet (not to mention those on Mars)? -- Neil Franklin, neil@franklin.ch.remove http://neil.franklin.ch/ ###### From: "JRO" Newsgroups: alt.ascii-art References: <8404ni$bve$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <386C9520.5C2E@earthling.net> <386e673e.0@206.103.97.91> <386EA280.25F9@earthling.net> <386F0346.9AB412B7@gtcom.net> <386F08E6.7BB1@earthling.net> <386f48ac.0@206.103.97.91> <386F7294.7C46@earthling.net> <84p7pi$gej$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <38715D23.2966@earthling.net> <3871cf61.0@206.103.97.91> <84tcrr$43s$1@kujawiak.man.lodz.pl> Subject: Re: So, You Want To Make Text Art? Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2000 18:11:01 -0600 Lines: 201 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.226.27.55 Message-ID: <38728984.0@206.103.97.91> X-Trace: 4 Jan 2000 18:00:04 -0600, 216.226.27.55 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!News.Amsterdam.UnisourceCS!newspeer.te.net!news.indigo.ie!diablo.theplanet.net!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-feeder2.wcg.net!WCG!news.good.net!206.103.97.91!216.226.27.55 Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.ascii-art:7348 Przemyslaw Brojewski wrote in message news:84tcrr$43s$1@kujawiak.man.lodz.pl... > This time you've gone a little bit to far. Nah, I have been pretty careful and polite, not to go too far. As a pal told me about this thread: "Gee, you sure argue nicer than I would. You are a saint, you know." >I prefer to be fucked by a person of my choice, thank you. That was what is commonly known as an insult, not an offer. I'm sure you were quite flattered by it, but maybe you ought to brush up on colloquial American English, before getting too excited. >On the other hand, you don't think. > It's high time you started thinking, boy. Or in other words: > think what you write, not the other way round. Good advice, here. You are absolutely correct, in many respects. Thanks. > Now you've really pissed my off with an attitude like this. Yours "fuck'em" > brought me here, And now it evolved to "it looks ok in my software, > and if someone complains -- fuck'em". Let's see how many people in this > newsgroup you fuck. > > I had a look at 118 articles posted to this group. > The oldest was dated 30 Dec 1999 22:19:39 +0000 > and the latest was from 04 Jan 2000 15:24:06 GMT > no more articles were available on the newsserver I use. > The articles were posted by 40 distinct people. > Here's the boring chart how many of them used what software: > > 12 Microsoft Outlook Express > 11 Mozilla > 5 Forte Free Agent > 4 Forte Agent > 2 tin > 1 postit.pl > 1 fart > 1 Turnpike > 1 Supernews > 1 MicroPlanet Gravity > 1 MT-NewsWatcher > 1 Deja.com > > thiese figures add up to 41 because some of them use more than one > software package to read and post news. > 12 people is indeed the largest group of useres in this newsgroup, > but it's less then one-third of those who actively post. It's about > 29%. I wouldn't call it 95% 90% 88% or whatever you might come up with. > I wouldn't call it "most all". It's not any kind of "most". The thruth is, > boy, that most people here use something other than "the dreaded OE5". > some news servers wrap posts wider than 80 characters, because of > historically evolved kind of standard. You probably know this, but don't > give a shit. Anyway I drifted off the point. > The point is that writing any post with lines longer than 80 characters > minus some space for quoting is against netiqette. But you did not > read netiquette. It is, after all, a kind of boring FAQ, and you don't > read boring FAQs. And even if you have read them, you act against them. > And if you like so much "Paradise Lost" than stop making guestimates, > you're not good enough at it. > > > brojek. Checking posts is a poor method, for investigating this newsgroup's "readership". This little newsgroup is actually quite well read. Most of the "readers" do not post, however. Most of them just read aaa, to see ascii pictures. Only a few make requests, even. The only way to learn about this, is to get a lot of email from them. I suggest you read my tutorials, and start posting a lot of ascii. People will eventually start to email you, and you can ask them what newsreader they are using, and discover what the real stats are like. That's about the only real way you are going to get any good stats on what they are using to read aaa with. Researching Dejanoose is not going to yield those answers, although I commend you for trying. The majority of folks I hear from, use OutlookExpress, and/or FreeAgent. I believe most readers use OE 5, both from the number of people who have mentioned this to me, and the fact that (like it or not), most people run a Windows-based OS, and use Internet Explorer. OE comes as part of that package. This being an "art" newsgroup; no, I don't give a shit about what may wrap a little. Sometimes pictures are larger than 80 characters. Generally not, but they do come out that way, on occasion. As I said, if the occasional post does wrap for someone, then they may skip it over, edit it themselves, or email me for a copy of it in some other format that doesn't wrap. I have sent a few .txt files to folks, for that purpose, and can only remember two occasions when someone told me a pix wrapped. I emailed it to them, both times, and they were happy. Actually, it's a rat's ankle deal that I can't manage to post anything wider than 132 characters; I would prefer more like 250. Not often, but sometimes. I did a "poster" size ascii, several months ago. Old solid-style junk. I gave up on it, half finished. There wasn't much I could do with the thing, you see. I certainly couldn't post it, on usenet, except in some .gif-coverted form. As to "netiqette"; forget that. It sucks. "Ettiquete" is much better. In either event, yours suffers somewhat, but understanably so. You're probably 15, and you just want to participate. Do you need assistance, with ascii and your Swedish keyboard? Ilmari Karonen just posted this: !"#$%&'()*+,-./ You shouldn't use any foreign characters in your 0123456789:;<=>? art, only those in the chart on the left. If you @ABCDEFGHIJKLMNO have an ordinary American keyboard, there should PQRSTUVWXYZ[\]^_ be no others visible on the keys, so you have no `abcdefghijklmno need to worry. However, if your keyboard has any pqrstuvwxyz{|}~ other characters be careful not to use them. Here's a shorter version, by Jan-Erik Finnberg: Please use only the letters A-Z, in small or capital case, numbers 0-9 and the following characters when creating ASCII-art: ! " # $ % & ' ( ) * + , - . / : ; < = > ? @ [ \ ] ^ _ ` { | } ~ I added the line about "case", just in case someone noticed that, and decided to flame him for it. Or, there is Lizard's clever chart, which lets you know if you are using a mono-spaced font, and shows you all the right characters to use, at the same time. It is also quite sweet, since she took Veronika's "warning" out of it : ====================================== } ASCII Character Chart { ====================================== }| This chart should be symmetrical.|{ }| If it isn't, change your font |{ }| til the i's and the m's line up. |{ }| |{ }| iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii |{ }| mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm |{ }| |{ }| SP ! " # $ % & ' |{ }| ( ) * + , - . / |{ }| 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 |{ }| 8 9 : ; < = > ? |{ }| @ A B C D E F G |{ }| H I J K L M N O |{ }| P Q R S T U V W |{ }| X Y Z [ \ ] ^ _ |{ }| ` a b c d e f g |{ }| h i j k l m n o |{ }| p q r s t u v w |{ }| x y z { | } ~ |{ }| |{ }| SP stands for Space bar |{ }| |{ }| No, no, no, you MUSTN'T use |{ }| ones that are not on the chart |{ }| if you are going to post your |{ }| creations in the |{ }| newsgroup alt.ascii-art! |{ }| |{ ====================================== I doubt you really need this information, but I'm giving it to you, just in case. I don't blame you for wanting to jump in - this is the only argument going. The real point here, though, is not about foriegn language keyboards, or really about my choice to deliberately leave out an ascii chart. It's really about being polite to people; showing a little "ettiquete". Veronica has none. I don't read or try to annoy or embarrass her on her threads; she waits for an opportunity to do this to everyone who posts to AAA, new and old alike. Thanks for the advice on thinking. I'm sure if I had been, I would have ignored Veronica, in the first place. Be good, JRO oglesbee@ mail.fullnet.net ###### From: "JRO" Newsgroups: alt.ascii-art References: <8404ni$bve$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <386C9520.5C2E@earthling.net> <386e673e.0@206.103.97.91> <386EA280.25F9@earthling.net> <386F0346.9AB412B7@gtcom.net> <386F08E6.7BB1@earthling.net> <386f48ac.0@206.103.97.91> <386F7294.7C46@earthling.net> <386F9BF8.59B3473@sympatico.ca> Subject: Re: So, You Want To Make Text Art? Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2000 18:12:41 -0600 Lines: 45 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.226.27.55 Message-ID: <387289e6.0@206.103.97.91> X-Trace: 4 Jan 2000 18:01:42 -0600, 216.226.27.55 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!News.Amsterdam.UnisourceCS!newshunter!cosy.sbg.ac.at!newsfeed.Austria.EU.net!nmaster.kpnqwest.net!npeer.kpnqwest.net!EU.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-feeder2.wcg.net!WCG!news.good.net!206.103.97.91!216.226.27.55 Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.ascii-art:7353 Pete Casso wrote in message news:386F9BF8.59B3473@sympatico.ca... > > What "Pete" would this be? Surely not the one and only person I ever > > plonked? *lol* > > > > > Without him, you're just a troll, Veronica. > > > > Sure, I'm a troll sometimes, but not in this group. > > Everytime we had a debate, you ran out of arguments, Veronicastein, > that's what JRO hinted at. The plonk went de facto the other way around. > > Visit the 'steins at http://www3.sympatico.ca/petecasso/ __..\/ "You new folks may not know it, but /\ \ \\ it looks like Pete temporarily has /_/\_.___\ came out of retirement, merely to /\ '-/ -'//\ deliver what was once considered the \_ (_ _/ "ultimate" infuriant on this news \ //\\ / group... I shudder to hear more. __/\ __ /\__ "Plonk" just can't compete. / \ \ / / \ / \/\/\/ \ / \ / /|_________| \ / / | | / / / | | / Oh, and this is my new yo-yo. / / |_________|_/ A guy has got to have a thing /___/ | | or two of his own, you know." / \ |_________| \\\\/ | | | _____ \) ___ | | | _________________jro | | | | | | | | | | | | .-. | | | `-' |____|____| /__ | | __\ / // \\ \ \___/ \___/ ###### From: "JRO" Newsgroups: alt.ascii-art References: <8404ni$bve$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <386C9520.5C2E@earthling.net> <386e673e.0@206.103.97.91> <386EA280.25F9@earthling.net> <386F0346.9AB412B7@gtcom.net> <386F08E6.7BB1@earthling.net> <386f48ac.0@206.103.97.91> <386F7294.7C46@earthling.net> <386F8AFC.3F82@earthling.net> <387066c4.0@206.103.97.91> <38712BD9.6C0A@earthling.net> Subject: Re: So, You Want To Make Text Art? Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2000 01:19:17 -0600 Lines: 44 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.226.27.24 Message-ID: <3872ede0.0@206.103.97.91> X-Trace: 5 Jan 2000 01:08:16 -0600, 216.226.27.24 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-feeder2.wcg.net!WCG!news.good.net!206.103.97.91!216.226.27.24 Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.ascii-art:7358 Veronica Karlsson wrote in message news:38712BD9.6C0A@earthling.net... > Or else - WHAT? I propose a referrendum, to see who gets to stay on AAA, and who should leave. I will abide by such - will you? From the way you keep referring to your mommie. I don't think you ever got off the tit, hunny. Since I guess she don't give you enough attention, here's something for you to nurse on: .' `~--...._ . `. . `. . .' . . .' `. . . . . . . . .. .' . . . . ( ) . ` .. . . . `. ~~ .' ` ( ) . . . .': `._ _.' `. "" .' . . . . """"" `.__ _.'`. . . `-.. . ~~~ : . . Hope that fulfills your needs. Oh, and I'm not unemployed; and you know better. I are ree-tired. I work when I choose to... because I can afford it. Maybe I'll go back to work in the spring, or maybe next year. Or the year after that. Or... I don't got no boss; an ain't lookin' fer one. Why? The sonofabtich ain't been born, are why. JRO Oglesbee@ mail.fullnet.net ###### From: Przemyslaw Brojewski Newsgroups: alt.ascii-art Subject: Re: So, You Want To Make Text Art? Date: 5 Jan 2000 10:52:44 GMT Organization: KIS - Katedra Informatyki Stosowanej Lines: 77 Message-ID: <84v7ps$3sr$1@kujawiak.man.lodz.pl> References: <8404ni$bve$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <386C9520.5C2E@earthling.net> <386e673e.0@206.103.97.91> <386EA280.25F9@earthling.net> <386F0346.9AB412B7@gtcom.net> <386F08E6.7BB1@earthling.net> <386f48ac.0@206.103.97.91> <386F7294.7C46@earthling.net> <84p7pi$gej$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <38715D23.2966@earthling.net> <3871cf61.0@206.103.97.91> <84tcrr$43s$1@kujawiak.man.lodz.pl> <38728984.0@206.103.97.91> NNTP-Posting-Host: zly.kis.p.lodz.pl X-Trace: kujawiak.man.lodz.pl 947069564 3995 212.51.216.2 (5 Jan 2000 10:52:44 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@man.lodz.pl NNTP-Posting-Date: 5 Jan 2000 10:52:44 GMT User-Agent: tin/1.4.1-19991201 ("Polish") (UNIX) (SunOS/5.7 (i86pc)) Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news-fra1.dfn.de!news.man.poznan.pl!news.man.lodz.pl!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.ascii-art:7343 JRO wrote: : Przemyslaw Brojewski wrote in message news:84tcrr$43s$1@kujawiak.man.lodz.pl... :> This time you've gone a little bit to far. : Nah, I have been pretty careful and polite, not to go too far. As a pal : told me about this thread: "Gee, you sure argue nicer than I would. : You are a saint, you know." I still insist on my opinion. You may stay with yours. No use discussing it further. : Checking posts is a poor method, for investigating this newsgroup's : "readership". This little newsgroup is actually quite well read. : Most of the "readers" do not post, however. Most of them just read : aaa, to see ascii pictures. Only a few make requests, even. The only I can't think of any reason why people who actively post should use other software than those who don't. : way to learn about this, is to get a lot of email from them. I suggest : you read my tutorials, and start posting a lot of ascii. People will : eventually start to email you, and you can ask them what newsreader : they are using, and discover what the real stats are like. That's You're using OE5. From my experience it shows that people who correspond with me tend to use the same software I use. A matter of similar tastes I'd say. I suspect that's why you think OE5 so widely dominates this newsgroup or entire usenet. Also, people using OE post much more than others, so vast majority of posts is composed with this software, but it is not majority of people. Deriving this conclusion from a handfull (118) of posts is very inaccurate, but still much safer than inventing figures from nothing. : Actually, it's a rat's ankle deal that I can't manage to post anything : wider than 132 characters; I would prefer more like 250. Not often, : but sometimes. I did a "poster" size ascii, several months ago. Old : solid-style junk. I gave up on it, half finished. There wasn't much : I could do with the thing, you see. I certainly couldn't post it, : on usenet, except in some .gif-coverted form. Making pictures 250 characters wide is no big deal. Usually output from dumbest gif2ascii converters looks pretty good at this scale. Make something that fits in 75 and looks good when printed in poster size. That's some of the challenge. : As to "netiqette"; forget that. It sucks. "Ettiquete" is much better. : In either event, yours suffers somewhat, but understanably so. You're : probably 15, and you just want to participate. yes, I forget my manners sometimes, it's a shame. I'm not the only one though, And at least I don't deny any rules because "they suck" without even trying to understand why they were brought up. : Do you need assistance, with ascii and your Swedish keyboard? Thank you very much, but I haven't got Swedish keyboard. I am not Swede even. : I doubt you really need this information, but I'm giving : it to you, just in case. I don't blame you for wanting to jump : in - this is the only argument going. The real point here, though, : is not about foriegn language keyboards, or really about my choice : to deliberately leave out an ascii chart. It's really about being : polite to people; showing a little "ettiquete". It would be ridiculous if you blamed me for jumping in. This is a public forum after all. You're right about that real point, however, and it seems that nearly every contributor to this tread missed it. brojek. ###### From: alfie@innocent.com (Gerfried Fuchs) Newsgroups: alt.ascii-art Subject: Re: So, You Want To Make Text Art? Date: 5 Jan 2000 12:12:27 GMT Organization: Siemens AG Austria Lines: 57 Message-ID: References: <8404ni$bve$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <386C9520.5C2E@earthling.net> <386e673e.0@206.103.97.91> <386EA280.25F9@earthling.net> <386F0346.9AB412B7@gtcom.net> <386F08E6.7BB1@earthling.net> <386f48ac.0@206.103.97.91> <386F7294.7C46@earthling.net> <3870AE1C.11C1@TAKEOUTTHEGARBAGEyahoo.com> <3871c3d0.0@206.103.97.91> <387208C8.77@TAKEOUTTHEGARBAGEyahoo.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: pc9601.sie.siemens.at X-Trace: scesie13.sie.siemens.at 947074347 21645 195.1.135.123 (5 Jan 2000 12:12:27 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news@siemens.at NNTP-Posting-Date: 5 Jan 2000 12:12:27 GMT User-Agent: slrn/0.9.5.7 (Windows) Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newsfeeds.belnet.be!news.belnet.be!isdnet!newsfeed.tli.de!newsfeed2.news.nl.uu.net!sun4nl!npeer.kpnqwest.net!newsfeed.Austria.EU.net!news.siemens.at!alfie Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.ascii-art:7363 I was shortly before skipping this whole thread, when I suddlenly read this: llizard wrote: > If there are people who will be pushed away by that, they are too thin > skinned. Thats the main problem with the usenet _at all_, not just with aaa. You have this proplem _everywhere_. When it comes to the nettiquette, some people start getting narrowminded and say things like "Hey, usenet is free - so why should I stick to any rules?!?"... And somehow that people are getting more, it seems to me. > But I must disagree with you on another point. It isn't the smallest, > neatest chart. Gerfried Fuchs (Alf) has an even neater, smaller chart > that cleverly shows the hex numbers: I feel very pleased that you kept that chart 8-) And even more that you like it. It showes me that I didn't do it for nothing... One thing - I can't quite remember, but wasn't I told to stick to alf as tag for Alf was someone else? Just curious, I can't quite remember myself *blushes* > Here is a suggested alteration; I hope that Alf doesn't mind that I have > signed his name to his chart that I have altered slightly. As mentioned above - I feel pleased :) And so I don't mind at all. Only, if you don't mind that I'll be using your version in the future ;) ASCII Character Table The numbers show you the hex-code of ===================== the characters (e.g. the letter 'C' has xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx the code 43). `. 0123456789ABCDEF `,----------------. Only the characters that you can find 2x | !"#$%&'()*+,-./|. in this box are called ASCII, you 3x |0123456789:;<=>?|| shouldn't use any other. 4x |@ABCDEFGHIJKLMNO|| 5x |PQRSTUVWXYZ[\]^_|| Also you should see this as a box. 6x |`abcdefghijklmno|| If you don't then you have to change 7x |pqrstuvwxyz{|}~ || to a fixed-width font (e.g. COURIER). `----------------'| `----------------' Use only these characters and you will [alf] have more fun in news:alt.ascii-art Well, I've changed it again, so it's even again a little bit smaller ;) And one thing - I will in a short while be able to contribute here a little more often once I've managed to install a small newsserver on my new notebook *giggles* Have fun in the y2k!! And _no_, it's _not_ the new millenium, take a close look at yesterdays userfriendly comic: -- Gerfried Fuchs ###### From: alfie@innocent.com (Gerfried Fuchs) Newsgroups: alt.ascii-art Subject: Re: So, You Want To Make Text Art? Date: 5 Jan 2000 12:19:55 GMT Organization: Siemens AG Austria Lines: 40 Message-ID: References: <8404ni$bve$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <386C9520.5C2E@earthling.net> <386e673e.0@206.103.97.91> <386EA280.25F9@earthling.net> <8u7u6s81pk9r9o172lr250gf0569fqkrq8@4ax.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: pc9601.sie.siemens.at X-Trace: scesie13.sie.siemens.at 947074795 21645 195.1.135.123 (5 Jan 2000 12:19:55 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news@siemens.at NNTP-Posting-Date: 5 Jan 2000 12:19:55 GMT User-Agent: slrn/0.9.5.7 (Windows) Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!EU.net!newsfeed.Austria.EU.net!news.siemens.at!alfie Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.ascii-art:7365 Lennert Stock wrote: > On Sun, 02 Jan 2000 01:57:36 +0100, Veronica Karlsson > wrote: > > >Joris Bellenger French keyboard? > >Armando Franzao Portugese keyboard? > >Veronica Karlsson Swedish keyboard. > >Maija Finnish keyboard? > >Dariusz Sieradzki Polish keyboard? > >Valery Silivanov Russian keyboard? > >Lennert Stock Dutch keyboard? > >Theo van Eck Dutch keyboard? > >Hayley Jane Wakenshaw Dutch keyboard? > > I'm using a Logitech Cordless Keyboard using English (USA) or Dutch > settings. With the latter you can do some silly stuff like typing '"' and > 'a' and it becomes an a with an umlaut (very irritating when html-ing for > instance, I usually turn it off). Over here in austria and I quite honestly bet also in germany and a big part of the swiss they are using german keyboards, with the z and the y switched and the umlauts. And _yes_, I quite honestly doubt even that 90%. Do you really think so? Well, it might be great for programmers even over her to use an english-keyboard layout (for all the special characters like ()[] and so forth), but face the fact - something that is common in the US is not neccesarily common all over the world. The US is _not_ the world. Sorry, if this sounds rude. You see, we all know how good we are, don't we? ;)) So I don't see a need for peting our shoulders.... And I think that's the way Veronica feels, too. Just because she only critisizes she isn't unfriendly with that. There is not always a time to congratulate one - especially it sometimes is even considered unfriendly if you congratulate one when talking with regulars... At least over here. Sorry once again, for pointing that out that way. -- Gerfried Fuchs ###### From: alfie@innocent.com (Gerfried Fuchs) Newsgroups: alt.ascii-art Subject: Re: So, You Want To Make Text Art? Date: 5 Jan 2000 12:35:59 GMT Organization: Siemens AG Austria Lines: 116 Message-ID: References: <8404ni$bve$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <4ej76scqklib28d7lvkdvce97dhq2j9jq2@4ax.com> <386f6bcc.23006563@news.concentric.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: pc9601.sie.siemens.at Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: scesie13.sie.siemens.at 947075759 2810 195.1.135.123 (5 Jan 2000 12:35:59 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news@siemens.at NNTP-Posting-Date: 5 Jan 2000 12:35:59 GMT User-Agent: slrn/0.9.5.7 (Windows) Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.monmouth.com!newshunter!cosy.sbg.ac.at!newsfeed.Austria.EU.net!news.siemens.at!alfie Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.ascii-art:7361 Jan-Erik Finnberg wrote: > I could be really hard for a newbie to know if he has a nonstandard > keyboard. I have used computers for more than 10 years, and the last > time I saw a "standard" keyboad was when I last saw a Commodore 64. And > even some of those had ÅÄÖ and other "non-standard" keys. My Amigas had > those keys, my PC has those keys, all my friends' PC's have those keys > and EVERY computer in EVERY school and office I have been has had those > keys. So If a Finn writes to this group he might not know he has a > "non-standard" keyboard, since he has never seen any other kind of > keyboard. Well, on my C64 (which I prodly still have!) there are loads of combinations on the keys that are not standard at all, too ;)) > How about this: > Please use only the letters A-Z, numbers 0-9 and the > following characters when creating ASCII-art: > > ! " # $ % & ' ( > ) * + , - . / : > ; < = > ? @ [ \ > ] ^ _ ` { | } ~ > > Do not use any other characters. You have forgot to mention that you can use both uppercase and lowercase letters. It's neat - strange that noone has thought about that before (or haven't I simply not noticed that?). > Ob (non-)ascii: picture of my keyboard. > > ,---. ,---.---,---.---, ,---.---.---,---. ,---.---,---.---. ,---.---,---. ,---------------. > |Esc| |F1 |F2 |F3 |F4 | |F5 |F6 |F7 |F8 | |F9 |F10|F11|F12| |Prt|Scr|Pws| |Num Caps Scroll| > | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |Sys|lck|Brk| |= = = | > `---' `---^---^---^---' `---^---^---^---' `---^---^---^---' `---^---^---' `---------------' > > ,---.---,---.---,---.---,---.---,---.---,---.---,---.--------. ,---.---,---. ,---.---,---,---. > |½ |! |" |# |¤ |% |& |/ |( |) |= |? |` |<--- | |Ins|Hom|Pg | |Num|÷ |× |- | > |§ |1 |2 @|3 £|4 $|5 |6 |7 {|8 [|9 ]|0 }|+ \|´ | | | | |Up | |Lck| | | | > >---^---^---^---^---^---^---^---^---^---^---^---^---^--------< >---^---^---< >---^---^---^---< > ||<-- |Q |W |E |R |T |Y |U |I |O |P |Å |^ | | |Del|End|Pg | |1 |8^ |9Pg| | > |-->| | | | (E| | | | | | | | |¨ ~| <-' | | | |Dwn| |Hom| | | Up| | > >-----^---^---^---^---^---^---^---^---^---^---^---^---^. | `---^---^---' `---^---^---|+ | > |Caps |A |S |D |F |G |H |J |K |L |Ö |Ä |* | | Wny |4 |5 |6 | | > |Lock | | | | | | | | | | | |' | | |<--| |-->| | > >------^---^---^---^---^---^---^---^---^---^---^---^---^-----< ,---. `---^---^---^---' > |/\ |> |Z |X |C |V |B |N |M |; |: |_ |/\ | | ^ | |1 |2| |3Pg| | > ||| |< || | | | | | | |, |. |- ||| | | | | |End| V |Dwn| | > >----^---^---^---^---^---^---^---^---^---^---^---^-----------< ,---^---^---. `---^---^---|En-| > |Ctrl|~# |Alt| < Keytronic > |Alt |~# ||-L |Ctrl | | | | | | |0 | , |ter| > | |~ | | / Mpr II - KEY \ |Gr |~ | '\ | | |<--| V |-->| |Ins |Del| | > `----^----^---^-------------------------^----^----^----^-----' `---^---^---' `-------^---^---' > > Non-ascii chars explained: > 1/ > ½ = / 2 Which is a small circle in the upper part of the character over here. > __ > § =(__` > (__) > .__) Which is the cecil, the small "roof-of-a-house". Aligned differently in the different charsets. > £ = British pound, ,- > -+- > /__ ^3 over here (power 3, like for m3). ^2 is where you have the @. And the @ is at Q, like the EUR at the E. > ¤ = I think this was meant to be ecu, \ / > O > / \ Pound sign ($) over here. > ´= pretty much ' > > Å= A with a ring on the top () > /\ > /--\ We have the ue there (umlaut u, u with 2 dots on it). > ¨= umlaut, two dots So you can procuse the umlaut o with either the key or with this and o? Did I get that right? > . . > Ö= O with an umlaut, O > . . > Ä= A with an umlaut, A > > ÷= quotinent o (Yes, I looked up the word quotinent from a dictionary) > ----- > o > ×= product, On Lucida console looks EXACTLY like x This one is really terrific!!! I simply _love_ it. Maybe we should produce a html-version of this to show the differences with all the different keyboard layouts? And of cause the special characters unicoded :) Oh, and I really love the way you did the windows- and them menu-key :) Have a nice day! -- Gerfried Fuchs ###### From: alfie@innocent.com (Gerfried Fuchs) Newsgroups: alt.ascii-art Subject: Re: So, You Want To Make Text Art? Date: 5 Jan 2000 12:53:07 GMT Organization: Siemens AG Austria Lines: 74 Message-ID: References: <8404ni$bve$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <386C9520.5C2E@earthling.net> <386e673e.0@206.103.97.91> <386EA280.25F9@earthling.net> <386F0346.9AB412B7@gtcom.net> <386F08E6.7BB1@earthling.net> <386f48ac.0@206.103.97.91> <386F7294.7C46@earthling.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: pc9601.sie.siemens.at X-Trace: scesie13.sie.siemens.at 947076787 18406 195.1.135.123 (5 Jan 2000 12:53:07 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news@siemens.at NNTP-Posting-Date: 5 Jan 2000 12:53:07 GMT User-Agent: slrn/0.9.5.7 (Windows) Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newscore.univie.ac.at!newsfeed.Austria.EU.net!news.siemens.at!alfie Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.ascii-art:7362 Peter Punk wrote: > Here's my 2 bits worth: most people in Holland use a US-standard keyboard > layout. So what? Holland is not a large country - to stick to the clichee, it's mainly water ;-)) (not meant to insult you) Well, austria is no big country, either. Maybe we all just judge the whole world by just the people. So we will never come to a close guess on how many people are using us-standard keyboards. > >Here's that "90%" figure I mentioned in that other reply. Again: Is it > >based on fact or did you invent it? (the fact that it's "90" here and > >"99" in the other version would suggest that you invented it) > > I think it's fact, however i never saw any statistics on the use of keyboard > layouts. I don't currently know who said it, but: "There are three kind of lies: lies, damned lies and statistics!" You think it's fact, me think it's pure bogus. I think we all will never come to a close guess on how many percent really are using that keyboard. And on the other hand: We don't have to care! This is an international group, isn't it? So you really want to leave the people that are using non us-keyboard layout keyboards out of this group? You can't guess how many people are using us-keyboards - but you think you can guess how many people interested in ascii-art and lurking/posting to aaa have an us-keyboard?? Sorry, but this sounds rediculous to me. Maybe we should really just start a question round in here to see an quite (for I bet not all the lurkers will take part in it, maybe not even the regulars and/or newbies) exact percentage... And I bet you that you will be astonished by the result. Try to prove me wrong :) > It's that condescending tone of that sentece that puts me off... So it's not the chart, right? ... well, it's a a step in the right direction - to point out what _really_ is bugging you :) > It's not just the chars, it's the how-to they/we want. A list of rules isn't > enough by far. It's not enough - but you can't leave them out, nevertheless. > Not everyone gets entertained by techy-stuff. I agee with JRO, people want to > know how to make their own art, and they want to start ASAP so a simple FAQ is > highly preferrable over a do's and don'ts list. ... and then this paragraph: > And that tutorial has been inspired by one of the most Frequently Asked > Questions around, being "i want to start making my own ASCII-art but i don't > know how to start". That's exactly what a FAQ should be, a list of the most > Frequently Asked Questions and the answers to them. You know that "what chars /should I/am I allowed to/ use?" is one of the Frequently Asked Questions? So somehow I think you have a little inconsistency in your thinking ;) > So they won't stick. You read them once and forget them. Only thing that will > remain is the feeling it gave you when you read it. So, if the feeling is the only thing that remains - why write the FAQ at all? A good feeling doesn't mean then that you remember the things in it... I hope that you don't take this too personal - it's not meant that way. But I just think there is a little misunderstanding in what you wrote. Have fun! -- Gerfried Fuchs ###### Reply-To: "Wesley Dooley" From: "Wesley Dooley" Newsgroups: alt.ascii-art References: <8404ni$bve$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <386C9520.5C2E@earthling.net> <386e673e.0@206.103.97.91> <386EA280.25F9@earthling.net> <386F0346.9AB412B7@gtcom.net> <386F08E6.7BB1@earthling.net> <386f48ac.0@206.103.97.91> <386F7294.7C46@earthling.net> <84p7pi$gej$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <38715D23.2966@earthling.net> <3871cf61.0@206.103.97.91> <84tcrr$43s$1@kujawiak.man.lodz.pl> <38728984.0@206.103.97.91> Subject: Re: So, You Want To Make Text Art? Lines: 214 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 158.252.80.97 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net 947079669 158.252.80.97 (Wed, 05 Jan 2000 05:41:09 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2000 05:41:09 PST Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. X-ELN-Date: Wed Jan 5 05:41:09 2000 X-ELN-Insert-Date: Wed Jan 5 05:41:09 2000 X-Posted-Path-Was: not-for-mail Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2000 13:41:09 GMT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!isdnet!netnews.com!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.ascii-art:7335 JRO, I don't know how anyone emails you, I can't get your email to work...it always comes back ;( Pammie JRO wrote in message news:38728984.0@206.103.97.91... > > Przemyslaw Brojewski wrote in message news:84tcrr$43s$1@kujawiak.man.lodz.pl... > > > This time you've gone a little bit to far. > > Nah, I have been pretty careful and polite, not to go too far. As a pal > told me about this thread: "Gee, you sure argue nicer than I would. > You are a saint, you know." > > > > >I prefer to be fucked by a person of my choice, thank you. > > That was what is commonly known as an insult, not an offer. I'm sure > you were quite flattered by it, but maybe you ought to brush up on > colloquial American English, before getting too excited. > > > > >On the other hand, you don't think. > > It's high time you started thinking, boy. Or in other words: > > think what you write, not the other way round. > > Good advice, here. You are absolutely correct, in many > respects. Thanks. > > > > > Now you've really pissed my off with an attitude like this. Yours "fuck'em" > > brought me here, And now it evolved to "it looks ok in my software, > > and if someone complains -- fuck'em". Let's see how many people in this > > newsgroup you fuck. > > > > I had a look at 118 articles posted to this group. > > The oldest was dated 30 Dec 1999 22:19:39 +0000 > > and the latest was from 04 Jan 2000 15:24:06 GMT > > no more articles were available on the newsserver I use. > > The articles were posted by 40 distinct people. > > Here's the boring chart how many of them used what software: > > > > 12 Microsoft Outlook Express > > 11 Mozilla > > 5 Forte Free Agent > > 4 Forte Agent > > 2 tin > > 1 postit.pl > > 1 fart > > 1 Turnpike > > 1 Supernews > > 1 MicroPlanet Gravity > > 1 MT-NewsWatcher > > 1 Deja.com > > > > thiese figures add up to 41 because some of them use more than one > > software package to read and post news. > > 12 people is indeed the largest group of useres in this newsgroup, > > but it's less then one-third of those who actively post. It's about > > 29%. I wouldn't call it 95% 90% 88% or whatever you might come up with. > > I wouldn't call it "most all". It's not any kind of "most". The thruth is, > > boy, that most people here use something other than "the dreaded OE5". > > some news servers wrap posts wider than 80 characters, because of > > historically evolved kind of standard. You probably know this, but don't > > give a shit. Anyway I drifted off the point. > > The point is that writing any post with lines longer than 80 characters > > minus some space for quoting is against netiqette. But you did not > > read netiquette. It is, after all, a kind of boring FAQ, and you don't > > read boring FAQs. And even if you have read them, you act against them. > > And if you like so much "Paradise Lost" than stop making guestimates, > > you're not good enough at it. > > > > > > brojek. > > Checking posts is a poor method, for investigating this newsgroup's > "readership". This little newsgroup is actually quite well read. > Most of the "readers" do not post, however. Most of them just read > aaa, to see ascii pictures. Only a few make requests, even. The only > way to learn about this, is to get a lot of email from them. I suggest > you read my tutorials, and start posting a lot of ascii. People will > eventually start to email you, and you can ask them what newsreader > they are using, and discover what the real stats are like. That's > about the only real way you are going to get any good stats on what > they are using to read aaa with. Researching Dejanoose is not going > to yield those answers, although I commend you for trying. > > The majority of folks I hear from, use OutlookExpress, and/or FreeAgent. > I believe most readers use OE 5, both from the number of people who > have mentioned this to me, and the fact that (like it or not), most > people run a Windows-based OS, and use Internet Explorer. OE comes > as part of that package. > > This being an "art" newsgroup; no, I don't give a shit about what > may wrap a little. Sometimes pictures are larger than 80 characters. > Generally not, but they do come out that way, on occasion. As I said, > if the occasional post does wrap for someone, then they may skip it > over, edit it themselves, or email me for a copy of it in some other > format that doesn't wrap. I have sent a few .txt files to folks, for > that purpose, and can only remember two occasions when someone told > me a pix wrapped. I emailed it to them, both times, and they were > happy. > > Actually, it's a rat's ankle deal that I can't manage to post anything > wider than 132 characters; I would prefer more like 250. Not often, > but sometimes. I did a "poster" size ascii, several months ago. Old > solid-style junk. I gave up on it, half finished. There wasn't much > I could do with the thing, you see. I certainly couldn't post it, > on usenet, except in some .gif-coverted form. > > As to "netiqette"; forget that. It sucks. "Ettiquete" is much better. > In either event, yours suffers somewhat, but understanably so. You're > probably 15, and you just want to participate. > > Do you need assistance, with ascii and your Swedish keyboard? Ilmari > Karonen just posted this: > > !"#$%&'()*+,-./ You shouldn't use any foreign characters in your > 0123456789:;<=>? art, only those in the chart on the left. If you > @ABCDEFGHIJKLMNO have an ordinary American keyboard, there should > PQRSTUVWXYZ[\]^_ be no others visible on the keys, so you have no > `abcdefghijklmno need to worry. However, if your keyboard has any > pqrstuvwxyz{|}~ other characters be careful not to use them. > > > Here's a shorter version, by Jan-Erik Finnberg: > > Please use only the letters A-Z, in small or > capital case, numbers 0-9 and the following > characters when creating ASCII-art: > > ! " # $ % & ' ( > ) * + , - . / : > ; < = > ? @ [ \ > ] ^ _ ` { | } ~ > > I added the line about "case", just in case someone noticed > that, and decided to flame him for it. > > Or, there is Lizard's clever chart, which lets you know if > you are using a mono-spaced font, and shows you all the right > characters to use, at the same time. It is also quite sweet, > since she took Veronika's "warning" out of it : > > ====================================== > } ASCII Character Chart { > ====================================== > }| This chart should be symmetrical.|{ > }| If it isn't, change your font |{ > }| til the i's and the m's line up. |{ > }| |{ > }| iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii |{ > }| mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm |{ > }| |{ > }| SP ! " # $ % & ' |{ > }| ( ) * + , - . / |{ > }| 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 |{ > }| 8 9 : ; < = > ? |{ > }| @ A B C D E F G |{ > }| H I J K L M N O |{ > }| P Q R S T U V W |{ > }| X Y Z [ \ ] ^ _ |{ > }| ` a b c d e f g |{ > }| h i j k l m n o |{ > }| p q r s t u v w |{ > }| x y z { | } ~ |{ > }| |{ > }| SP stands for Space bar |{ > }| |{ > }| No, no, no, you MUSTN'T use |{ > }| ones that are not on the chart |{ > }| if you are going to post your |{ > }| creations in the |{ > }| newsgroup alt.ascii-art! |{ > }| |{ > ====================================== > > > I doubt you really need this information, but I'm giving > it to you, just in case. I don't blame you for wanting to jump > in - this is the only argument going. The real point here, though, > is not about foriegn language keyboards, or really about my choice > to deliberately leave out an ascii chart. It's really about being > polite to people; showing a little "ettiquete". Veronica has none. > I don't read or try to annoy or embarrass her on her threads; she > waits for an opportunity to do this to everyone who posts to AAA, > new and old alike. > > Thanks for the advice on thinking. I'm sure if I had been, I > would have ignored Veronica, in the first place. > > Be good, > JRO > oglesbee@ > mail.fullnet.net > > > > > > > > ###### From: alfie@innocent.com (Gerfried Fuchs) Newsgroups: alt.ascii-art Subject: Re: So, You Want To Make Text Art? Date: 5 Jan 2000 13:56:46 GMT Organization: Siemens AG Austria Lines: 370 Message-ID: References: <8404ni$bve$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <386C9520.5C2E@earthling.net> <386e673e.0@206.103.97.91> <386EA280.25F9@earthling.net> <386F0346.9AB412B7@gtcom.net> <386F08E6.7BB1@earthling.net> <386f48ac.0@206.103.97.91> <386F7294.7C46@earthling.net> <84p7pi$gej$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: pc9601.sie.siemens.at Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: scesie13.sie.siemens.at 947080606 17780 195.1.135.123 (5 Jan 2000 13:56:46 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news@siemens.at NNTP-Posting-Date: 5 Jan 2000 13:56:46 GMT User-Agent: slrn/0.9.5.7 (Windows) Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!isdnet!newsfeed.tli.de!newsfeed1.uni2.dk!newscore.univie.ac.at!newsfeed.Austria.EU.net!news.siemens.at!alfie Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.ascii-art:7364 JRO wrote: > Veronica Karlsson wrote in message > news:386F7294.7C46@earthling.net... > > For people with American keyboards, *maybe*. For people with, e.g. > > Swedish keyboards it was Bad Advice. > > "Qurblx, her brainpan nodule > does not seem to contain the > simple information about what > ASCII stands for." > / > \__/ \__/ > (oo) /) (__) > .//~~\\// .//()\\ \ > .\\__/\/ .\\__//"No surprise, there. Which is > ||\\ |||| really all that needs be said. > |||| |||| Point, match, game - Zowie!" > (_)(_) (_)(_) Now I think I know where the breakpoint is, where the big misunderstanding happened (I hope!): JRO, you seem to think that everyone must know what ASCII stands for? Or did I misinterpret you here?? If you really think so then please let me tell you that this simply is not true... And telling the people to use the "keys on their keyboard" doesn't solve that problem at all, it just makes it more bad. > "Yes, I suppose there is more than > just North America..." > / "But since more computers are there, than > / everywhere else in the world, and since > / most ALL of them use ASCII, instead of > \__/ SSCII, I think foreign language keyboards > (__) can be foregone, unless users of them > (\//()\\ specifically request assistance." > \/\__// \__/ / > |||| (oo) > |||| .//~~\\ > _____(_)(_)______//\__/\\ _______ > "" //\\ "" > \\// > (_)(_) Nevertheless you should support those people, too - and not ignore them. > "You know, it is just simple > fact that most computers "speak" > English. Air traffic controllers > do, too. Most people who speak > the wide variety of other languages > adapt to this fact, quite well... > Even if they are "New" (to ascii)." > / > / "True." > \__/ \__/ / > (oo) (oo) > .//~~\\/) .//~~\\ > .\\__/\/ .\\__// > |||| ||\\ > |||| ||// > ___(_)(_)_______(_)_)______ I thought it's a fact that most computers are multilingual and can speak loads of languages, not just english *scratches* I think I've learned something new here. > > ================================== > > ASCII character chart for dummies: > > ================================== > > |This chart should be symmetrical! > > | If it isn't, change your font | "Have you seen this thing before, > > |til the i's and the m's line up.| Zmpfltz? It's the best one I've seen." > > | | / > > |iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii|_/ > > |mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm|o) > > | (\// > > | SP ! " # $ % & ' \/ > > | ( ) * + , - . / | > > | 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 | > > | 8 9 : ; < = > ? | > > | @ A B C D E F G | > > | H I J K L M N O | > > | P Q R S T U V W | > > | X Y Z [ \ ] ^ _ | > > | ` a b c d e f g | "I quite agree, except for > > | h i j k l m n o | the "threat" at the bottom." > > | p q r s t u v w | / > > | x y z { | } ~ | \_/ > > | | (o_) > > | SP stands for Space bar | /\\) > > | | \// > > | No, no, no, you MUSTN'T use | (/| > > | ones that are not on the chart!///|| > > ================================\(_)_) > > kick! Sorry, JRO - to me it didn't came out that way. PP was the only person in the thread yet to mention that. If that sentence really was your problem with the chart than you haven't made it clear enough... *sigh* I think this whole thread was a big misunderstanding :( > "`1234567890-=~!@#$%^&*()_+qwertyui > op[]QWERTYUIOP{}asdfghjkl;'ASDFGH > JKL:"zxcvbnm,./\ZXCVBNM<>?|...." > / > \__/ \__/ > (__) (__) > .//()\\ .//()\\ \ > .\\__// .\\__//"It IS accurate, but it > |||| |||| doesn't quite "sing"..." > |||| |||| > (_)(_) (_)(_) Allright - this is quite funny - and also a chart, somehow ;) Maybe adding this one to your FAQ, no? > "No, the Boss treats people > as if they are intelligent > enough to wish for the > simplest, most entertaining > answers he can give them, > realizing that both children > and grown-ups are bored by > unnecessary, intensive study > of something that is supposed > to be a fun hobby." > / "Yes! AND he doesn't even look down on YOU!" > \__/ \__/ / > (oo) (oo) > .//~~\\ (\//~~\\/) > .\\__// \/\__/\/ > |||| .//|| > |||| .\\|| > (_)(_) (_(_) But it makes more funny, if they only use the ASCII characters. It's sad but true that we must often enough point that out. Most people get it right the first time, sometimes we also get an somewhat angry reply (hi, TooShy ;) or even a flame.... But hey, that's usenet. "Take it or leave it." -- unknown I don't have fun figuring out what a drawing could be for it uses nonstandard characters - you? > "Snrkk...No surprise, there. Veronica thinks it's a blast, > to read source code on web pages, and write total strangers > about the mistakes on their personal home pages. For most > Earthlings, such a diversion is just not what they > would call "a good time"." > / > \__/ \__/ > (__) (oo) /) > .//()\\ .//~~\\// > .\\__// .\\__/\/ > |||| |||| > |||| |||| > (_)(_) (_)(_) Well, Veronica is (I have to be honest in that way me too) that kind of guy that seldomly congratulates others for the great stuff. Maybe because we know that there are tons of other people that do that, maybe because we think that is doesn't help that person (to improve the stuff - not personally! I know that congratulations help quite often personally...), or maybe because of any other reason. On the other hand - there is a big problem with that: People are misunderstanding it. They think we just want to demoralize them, make their work bad or anything else. That's a real problem sometimes. And maybe even here. I bet Veronica just wanted to point out that a chart is better than "just the keys on the keyboard" and also said why - and nothing more. The problem was I think the nothing more. If she would have written something like: "The rest of your FAQ is great" or similar you wouldn't have get that angry, would you? > "If some do, so what? "Yes, they may get a nice repost or email > an easily correctable from the Boss (or somebody) recommending > mistake." that they avoid the use of extended characters. > \ there is NO REASON to flame someone, for that." > \ / > \__/ /) \__/ > (__)// (__) > .//() / .//()\\ > .\\__/ .\\__// > ||\\ |||| > ||// |||| > (_)_) (_)(_) No, there isn't. But many people even get that wrong. It happened too often. So I think pointing that out in the FAQ is avoiding this problem, and maybe telling the people to throw away their work done so far for it might be too hard to convert them to true ASCII. > "That is a strange remark, coming > from someone who primarily posts > acidic "advice", "argumentative > critiques", and "flames" to > this little newsgroup." "You should post ascii, instead! The > / Boss will even send you his tutorials, > / to help get you started!" > \__/ \__/ / > (oo) (oo) > .//~~\\ (\//~~\\/) > .\\__// \/\__/\/ > |||| //\\ > |||| |||| > (_)(_) (_)(_) The Boss?? Bruce Springsteen is posting to this group??? PLEASE, BRUCE, SEND ME YOUR TUTORIAL!!! ;-) > > I WISH somebody had shown me to the HTML FAQ *before* I made a > > complete mess of my homepage! It took me a YEAR to un-learn and > > learn better ways to do things. That's *many* hours' work down the > > drain. HTML is so simple, yet when you start making tables of > > everything, and splitting up images, and counting pixels, and > > setting fonts, and then watch the whole thing fall apart... *sigh* > > > > I wouldn't consider it "a rude slap in the face". I *really* don't see > > where that opinion comes from. > > "This is NOT an html tutorial, "And that "opinion" is derrived from > and that subject is extraneous many emails, which say the faqs > to this post." were of no real help. And from the > \ observation of how they are thrown at > \ newcomers (to ascii), who don't come > back." > \ / > \__/ \__/ > (oo) (oo) > (\//~~\\ .//~~\\ > \/\__// .\\__// > |||| |||| > |||| |||| > (_)(_) (_)(_) You didn't get the point here. It's as I mentioned above - if you tell someone the essential things late it might ruin load of work. > > It's not supposed to "interest or promote" anything. It's supposed to > > give the reader some reliable information. The *pictures* people make > > are what's supposed to do the "promoting". I don't see why turning the > > FAQ into a series of *cartoons* would automatically make it better. I must admit that I haven't seen the FAQ yet (and can't find the message on deja) but I think it might be quite nice to look at. And on the other hand, while might get the feeling about what it's all about. I think an FAQ about aaa without aa should be considered simply misleaded. > "The Boss's methods work. Yours don't. > The only wrong thing you have done, is > open his post and reply. Next time, > don't. He don't read yours." > / > \__/ \__/ > /)o) \ (__) > .//~~\\ "Snicker, .//()\\ > "\__// Snicker." .\\__// > |||| |||| > |||| |||| > (_)(_) (_)(_) But "he" replies to them, strangely. Replying works without reading, huh? *scratches* ;) > > Ascii art is "technically" quite simple. Yet people still post pictures > > made in Arial, pictures containing tabs, pictures containing other no-no > > characters, pictures that are wrapped (Hey! The text part of your > > tutorial was badly wrapped at the sending end!). Looking up a character > > in one of the tables furhter up in this post is not complicated. > > Explaining why using § to somebody who has this character *on his > > keyboard* (remember, that is what you advice!) is a bad idea is a bit > > more complicated, and it wastes everybody's time when it is done in the > > newsgroup, over and over and over again. > > "Yes, and maybe she should consider > getting a real newsreader, that will > read wider posts. But she can't. She > "More blah, blah, blah..." has to borrow a computer. Poor thing." > \ / > \__/ \__/ > (oo) (\ (oo) > .//~~\\// (\//~~\\ > .\\__/\/ \/\__// > ||\\ .//|| > ||// .\\|| > (_)_) (_)_) You read her wrong. She said that it wraps on the _sending end_ and not on the _reading end_. A "real newsreader" doesn't help there, if it's on the server already wrapped. And that's a big problem. It happens quite often - sometimes the poster can't do anything against it for the server that get's the message does wrap it. > > See my reply to your other version of this rant. > > "Why bother?" > / > \__/ \__/ > (__) (__) > .//()\\ .//()\\ > .\\__// .\\__// > |||| |||| > |||| |||| > (_)(_) (_)(_) Yes - why opening the eyes, little marsians. You might see things that might fear you. > > I correct you because what you say is wrong. That's what happens in > > newsgroups. Live with it! > > "I think it is obvious that Frau Veronica > "corrects" people, because it is the only "That, and she is just > enjoyment she gets from this newsgroup." plain rancid." > \ / > \__/ \__/ > (oo) (oo) > .//~~\\ .//~~\\/) > .\\__// .\\__/\/ > ||\\ |||| > ||// |||| > (_)_) (_)(_) Somehow I think you don't want to understand her *scratches* Maybe I should have stayed out of this discussion (I think I will regret it quite soon, as early as I've sent this artice, maybe...). > "Once again, she brings up > her non-standard keyboard. > She thinks the whole world "She is wrong-headed, is all. > should conform to it..." Let it go, at that..." > \ / > \__/ /) \__/ > (__)// (o_) > .//() / /\\) > .\\__/ \//| > |||| \)\ > |||| ||\\ > (_)(_) (_)(_) No - she thinks that the world should not ignore the fact that there are different keyboards that contain non-ASCII characters. In fact I'm quite sure you _want_ to misinterpret her just to make her upset - it might sound hard but I don't think one can really be that ignorant or stupid to not face the facts.... No, this is really not meant as an insult. > 1. Change the AMERICAN STANDARD CODE INFORMATION INTERCHANGE to > the SWEDISH STANDARD CODE INFORMATION INTERCHANGE. You will > then have to make the necessary adjustments, yourself, or > call on Swedish keyboard users to assist you. 1. Don't ignore the fact that there are different keyboards. > 5. She can't read English, but she can write it. 2. You can read English, but somehow you can't understand it (or don't want to?) > 8. She is a troll. Newsgroup trolls deny everything, ... ... if I just take the first part of that sentence - you _must_ be a troll. For you are denying the fact that there _is_ a problem with non-standard keyboards. Have fun, nevertheless..... -- Gerfried Fuchs PSE TN SBS66, +43/1/1707-24545 ###### From: Trevor Nicholls Newsgroups: alt.ascii-art Subject: Re: So, You Want To Make Text Art? Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2000 11:22:51 +1300 Organization: The Internet Group Ltd Lines: 12 Message-ID: <3873C43A.EE58970E@inform.co.nz> References: <8404ni$bve$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <386C9520.5C2E@earthling.net> <386e673e.0@206.103.97.91> <386EA280.25F9@earthling.net> <386F0346.9AB412B7@gtcom.net> <386F08E6.7BB1@earthling.net> <386f48ac.0@206.103.97.91> <386F7294.7C46@earthling.net> <84p7pi$gej$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 203-109-224-185.ihug.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en To: Gerfried Fuchs Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!isdnet!netnews.com!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!ihug.co.nz!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.ascii-art:7380 Gerfried Fuchs wrote: Thanks, GF, for a very sane (and beautifully presented) post. Cheers Trevor ###### From: Trevor Nicholls Newsgroups: alt.ascii-art Subject: Re: So, You Want To Make Text Art? Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2000 11:23:04 +1300 Organization: The Internet Group Ltd Lines: 12 Message-ID: <3873C448.8CC61AD3@inform.co.nz> References: <8404ni$bve$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <386C9520.5C2E@earthling.net> <386e673e.0@206.103.97.91> <386EA280.25F9@earthling.net> <386F0346.9AB412B7@gtcom.net> <386F08E6.7BB1@earthling.net> <386f48ac.0@206.103.97.91> <386F7294.7C46@earthling.net> <84p7pi$gej$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 203-109-224-185.ihug.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en To: Gerfried Fuchs Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newsfeeds.belnet.be!news.belnet.be!skynet.be!ihug.co.nz!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.ascii-art:7379 Gerfried Fuchs wrote: Thanks, GF, for a very sane (and beautifully presented) post. Cheers Trevor ###### From: Trevor Nicholls Newsgroups: alt.ascii-art Subject: Re: So, You Want To Make Text Art? Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2000 11:23:58 +1300 Organization: The Internet Group Ltd Lines: 12 Message-ID: <3873C47E.26E9BB7A@inform.co.nz> References: <8404ni$bve$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <386C9520.5C2E@earthling.net> <386e673e.0@206.103.97.91> <386EA280.25F9@earthling.net> <386F0346.9AB412B7@gtcom.net> <386F08E6.7BB1@earthling.net> <386f48ac.0@206.103.97.91> <386F7294.7C46@earthling.net> <84p7pi$gej$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 203-109-224-185.ihug.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en To: Gerfried Fuchs Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.enteract.com!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!ihug.co.nz!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.ascii-art:7382 Gerfried Fuchs wrote: Thanks, GF, for a very sane (and beautifully presented) post. Cheers Trevor ###### From: ppunk@damnthatspam.hetnet.nl (Peter Punk) Subject: Re: So, You Want To Make Text Art? Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2000 00:54:52 +0100 Organization: Total Disorganisation Message-ID: References: <8404ni$bve$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <386C9520.5C2E@earthling.net> <386e673e.0@206.103.97.91> <386EA280.25F9@earthling.net> <386F0346.9AB412B7@gtcom.net> <386F08E6.7BB1@earthling.net> <386f48ac.0@206.103.97.91> <386F7294.7C46@earthling.net> <84p7pi$gej$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <38715D23.2966@earthling.net> <3871cf61.0@206.103.97.91> <84tcrr$43s$1@kujawiak.man.lodz.pl> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.7/32.534 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Newsgroups: alt.ascii-art NNTP-Posting-Host: hrv0029-1.dial.wxs.nl 195.121.186.29 Lines: 7 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!newsfeed2.news.nl.uu.net!sun4nl!npeer.kpnqwest.net!news1.kpn.net!master.news.hetnet.nl!news1.hetnet.nl Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.ascii-art:7368 On Tue, 04 Jan 2000 19:44:40 GMT, Lambda provoked the following text: >> 1 MicroPlanet Gravity > ^^^ >Hey! That's me! That's me! *proud* I tried it once, but i don't think it's near as user-friendly as Forté Agent. ###### Newsgroups: alt.ascii-art From: amykate@nospammail.com (Amykate) Subject: Re: So, You Want To Make Text Art? References: <8404ni$bve$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <386C9520.5C2E@earthling.net> <386e673e.0@206.103.97.91> <386EA280.25F9@earthling.net> <386F0346.9AB412B7@gtcom.net> <386F08E6.7BB1@earthling.net> <386f48ac.0@206.103.97.91> <386F7294.7C46@earthling.net> <84p7pi$gej$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <38715D23.2966@earthling.net> <3871cf61.0@206.103.97.91> <84tcrr$43s$1@kujawiak.man.lodz.pl> X-Newsreader: News Xpress 2.01 Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2000 04:27:50 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: xcom-79-116.mdc.net Message-ID: <38741b52@news> X-Trace: 5 Jan 2000 23:34:26 -0500, xcom-79-116.mdc.net Lines: 26 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newsfeeds.belnet.be!news.belnet.be!colt.net!newsfeed.icl.net!netnews.com!newsfeed.nyc.globix.net!uunet!nyc.uu.net!news!dawn Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.ascii-art:7397 In article , ppunk@damnthatspam.hetnet.nl (Peter Punk) wrote: >On Tue, 04 Jan 2000 19:44:40 GMT, Lambda provoked the >following text: > >>> 1 MicroPlanet Gravity >> ^^^ >>Hey! That's me! That's me! *proud* > >I tried it once, but i don't think it's near as user-friendly as Forté Agent. .-'"'-. ((((()))) ()a, a() `( :~ )' ___) (__ / \______/ \ / ( )( ) \ akg / /| |\ \ I feel so left out *sniff* I posted during that time period and never made the list at all!!! Just for the record , I use NewsXpress. Amy*working on a new sig*kate ###### From: "JRO" Newsgroups: alt.ascii-art References: <8404ni$bve$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <386C9520.5C2E@earthling.net> <386e673e.0@206.103.97.91> <386EA280.25F9@earthling.net> <386F0346.9AB412B7@gtcom.net> <386F08E6.7BB1@earthling.net> <386f48ac.0@206.103.97.91> <386F7294.7C46@earthling.net> Subject: Re: So, You Want To Make Text Art? Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2000 02:13:07 -0600 Lines: 92 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.226.27.47 Message-ID: <38744c0f.0@206.103.97.91> X-Trace: 6 Jan 2000 02:02:23 -0600, 216.226.27.47 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newsfeeds.belnet.be!news.belnet.be!newsfeed.icl.net!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!gxn.net!news.good.net!206.103.97.91!216.226.27.47 Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.ascii-art:7415 Gerfried Fuchs wrote in message news:slrn876fm6.7k.alfie@pc9601.sie.siemens.at... > I don't currently know who said it, but: > "There are three kind of lies: lies, damned lies and statistics!" Disraeli said that, I do believe. > You think it's fact, me think it's pure bogus. I think we all will > never come to a close guess on how many percent really are using that > keyboard. And on the other hand: We don't have to care! This is an > international group, isn't it? So you really want to leave the people > that are using non us-keyboard layout keyboards out of this group? You > can't guess how many people are using us-keyboards - but you think you > can guess how many people interested in ascii-art and lurking/posting to > aaa have an us-keyboard?? Sorry, but this sounds rediculous to me. > > Maybe we should really just start a question round in here to see an > quite (for I bet not all the lurkers will take part in it, maybe not > even the regulars and/or newbies) exact percentage... And I bet you > that you will be astonished by the result. Try to prove me wrong :) I don't know how many people have extended keyboards. Less than have standard ones, I feel quite certain. This is not really an International newsgroup, you know. It's American. Usenet is American. You're even posting in English. > > It's that condescending tone of that sentece that puts me off... > > So it's not the chart, right? ... well, it's a a step in the right > direction - to point out what _really_ is bugging you :) > > > It's not just the chars, it's the how-to they/we want. A list of rules isn't > > enough by far. > > It's not enough - but you can't leave them out, nevertheless. > > > Not everyone gets entertained by techy-stuff. I agee with JRO, people want to > > know how to make their own art, and they want to start ASAP so a simple FAQ is > > highly preferrable over a do's and don'ts list. > > ... and then this paragraph: > > And that tutorial has been inspired by one of the most Frequently Asked > > Questions around, being "i want to start making my own ASCII-art but i don't > > know how to start". That's exactly what a FAQ should be, a list of the most > > Frequently Asked Questions and the answers to them. > > You know that "what chars /should I/am I allowed to/ use?" is one of > the Frequently Asked Questions? So somehow I think you have a little > inconsistency in your thinking ;) No, there is no inconsistency, here. I have yet to see anyone post to an English-speaking newsgroup, using extended characters in what they have to SAY. I imagine the majority of computer users, who have keyboards that include extended characters, realize what they are. > So, if the feeling is the only thing that remains - why write the FAQ > at all? A good feeling doesn't mean then that you remember the things in > it... Even the Facks are written in English. My tutorials are also written in English, primarily for people who read English. English speakers/readers DO make most of the posts to Usenet, you know. I did not leave out the rest of the world, though. I do say "probably see on your keyboard". IF someone has an extended character keyboard, who reads that tutorial, and IF they don't know not to use extended keys in an English-speaking newsgroup, even to make art, THEN it is a pretty simple matter to repost or email them advice about that. IF they need it. ON the OTHER hand... most of the people who DO post extended characters, here ARE English-speaking people... Aparently, the "foriengers" know their keyboards better, than the people who have to use alt+number to make their extendeds... > I hope that you don't take this too personal - it's not meant that way. > But I just think there is a little misunderstanding in what you wrote. I doubt anyone did. There is no "background" behind your posting to this thread, and I don't think anyone is offended by your opinion, or the points you have brought up. Be good..... JRO ###### From: "JRO" Newsgroups: alt.ascii-art References: <8404ni$bve$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <386C9520.5C2E@earthling.net> <386e673e.0@206.103.97.91> <386EA280.25F9@earthling.net> <386F0346.9AB412B7@gtcom.net> <386F08E6.7BB1@earthling.net> <386f48ac.0@206.103.97.91> <386F7294.7C46@earthling.net> <84p7pi$gej$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <38715D23.2966@earthling.net> <3871cf61.0@206.103.97.91> <84tcrr$43s$1@kujawiak.man.lodz.pl> <38728984.0@206.103.97.91> <38733EF4.7F76@TAKEOUTTHEGARBAGEyahoo.com> Subject: Re: So, You Want To Make Text Art? Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2000 02:36:44 -0600 Lines: 116 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.226.27.47 Message-ID: <3874518a.0@206.103.97.91> X-Trace: 6 Jan 2000 02:25:46 -0600, 216.226.27.47 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!isdnet!newsfeed.icl.net!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!gxn.net!news.good.net!206.103.97.91!216.226.27.47 Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.ascii-art:7410 llizard wrote in message > Please do better research before making claims. > > 1.) Why would you imagine that a Polish person would be using a Swedish > keyboard? And what difference does it make if someone is 15 or 115? > Please answer the argument instead of trying to insult the person. Don't all Poles use Swedish keyboards? > 2.) Veronica DID NOT WRITE anything in that chart. The chart is entirely > made by me. What makes you imagine that I would post something without > giving credit where credit is due? (Veronica has always said it was my > chart. Did you not believe her?) I did not change the warning to suit > you, JRO; I changed it because someone else said he found the tone > condescending. If I were going to be vindictive towards you alone, I'd > replace the "No no no..." again just to spite you. Pardon ME, Elizardbeth. I admit I did have the mistaken idea that Veronica conspired with you on making that chart, as to adding the wording, ect.. However, I do remember you posting "Thanks" to me, for suggesting you change it. And wasn't the "condescending" comment, about the facks, not your chart?... No matter. I'm glad you changed it, for everyone. You should post it, twice a week. > But this newsgroup does not revolve around you, or me for that matter, > or any one person in particular. It is global and it is designed to > serve all. Please sit back for as long as it takes and try to comprehend > that there is a whole world of people and OS's out there. Many do not > use OE5. Many who HAVE OE5 use another newsreader because of the > limitations of OE5. I have grave doubts that you get e-mail from every > reader of this newsgroup so your statistics cannot be correct. Gee, I thought this was my newsgroup. Thanks for pointing that out. Sure, I've gotten email from everyone who has ever read this newsgroup. They all write me. Yesterday, the Kind of Siam wrote me, and told me what a great job I was doing, and let me know that as long as I posted ascii, it didn't matter to him what other people used to read my newsgroup... I was quite honored. > 3.) Nobody owns a thread. These are discussions. One person starts a > thread. Other people join in. You are quite correct. However, as a matter of etterkette, I sort of attribute "ownership" of these little art threads on AAA, to the person who starts and maintains the discussion, ect.. For instance, I stay off your threads, as a matter of courtesy, because we don't get along. I won't come make trouble on them. It seems to me a decent policy, on a newsgroup such as this. Perhaps you should consider adopting it, yourself. >(By the way, the correct spelling is > "etiquette" - at least that is the way it is spelled in the Collins > English Dictionary on my desk. It is also the way it is spelled in > Merriam-Webster on line dictionary http://www.m-w.com/ if you prefer to > refer to an American dictionary.) > > a little refresher (courtesy of Merriam-Webster) > > ................................ > : > : Main Entry: et·i·quette > : Pronunciation: 'e-ti-k&t, -"ket > : Function: noun > : Etymology: French étiquette, literally, ticket -- more at TICKET > : Date: 1750 > : : the conduct or procedure required by good breeding or prescribed > : by authority to be observed in social or official life > : > :..................................... Thanks. I have a spell checker, but I don't normally resert to usin' the thang. > obascii: > > For others who have stayed with "your" thread, here is a wall to > continue to beat their heads against. > _________________________________________________________ > |_______|_______|______|_______|________|___________|_____| > |____|_______|_______|______|_______|________|_________|__| > |_______|_______|______|_______|________|___________|_____| > |____|_______|_______|______|_______|________|_________|__| > |_______|_______|______|_______|________|___________|_____| > |____|_______|_______|______|_______|________|_________|__| > |_______|_______|______|_______|________|___________|_____| > |____|_______|_______|______|_______|________|_________|__| > |_______|_______|______|_______|________|___________|_____| > I see you read my tutorial. I'm glad it's helped out. Try adding some towers and a door, now. Nice work. JRO ###### From: Veronica Karlsson Newsgroups: alt.ascii-art Subject: Re: So, You Want To Make Text Art? Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2000 12:31:57 +0100 Lines: 39 Message-ID: <38747D2D.3819@earthling.net> References: <8404ni$bve$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <386C9520.5C2E@earthling.net> <386e673e.0@206.103.97.91> <386EA280.25F9@earthling.net> <386F0346.9AB412B7@gtcom.net> <386F08E6.7BB1@earthling.net> <386f48ac.0@206.103.97.91> <386F7294.7C46@earthling.net> <386F8AFC.3F82@earthling.net> <387066c4.0@206.103.97.91> <38712BD9.6C0A@earthling.net> <3872ede0.0@206.103.97.91> NNTP-Posting-Host: lambda65.sm.luth.se Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (X11; I; SunOS 5.7 sun4u) Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!isdnet!howland.erols.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!uio.no!news.kth.se!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.ascii-art:7375 JRO wrote: > Veronica Karlsson wrote: > > > Or else - WHAT? > > I propose a referrendum, to see who gets to stay on AAA, and who should > leave. I will abide by such - will you? This is an unmoderated Usenet newsgroup. I stay if I want to. You stay if you want to. Neither of us can force the other to leave. All you can do about the situation is ignore me. All I can do about the situation is ignore you. At the moment I choose not to, and apparently so do you. > From the way you keep referring to your mommie. I've heard this one before. Usually from people (mostly other students) who keep talking about their 3-10 different family members _much_ more than I talk about my _one_ family member (not counting the cat). The difference is that they can lay 10-30% of the mentioning of family member names on different people. They can mention "mother", "father", "sister" and "brother" (all of which can refer to more than one person). I only have one of those, so she gets 100% of the mentioning. Then there are those who are a little older and also have wives/husbands and children... -- (, http://www.ludd.luth.se/~vk/cgi/asciichat/ /|__--__ . __--__ |\ '__ /|\ _{ _ `.' / `.,_ _________ | _________ _,.' (/ `. / ||``._.' ASCII ART CHAT! `---'|:||,/ .' /| /|:| \ .' /\ \ __ __ _ `/|'\' ` `,/ /`,\ \ \ / /__ _ _ ___ _ _ (_)__ __ _ /,'\ \ .'.' /| \ V / -_) '_/ _ \ ' \| / _/ _` | |\ `.`. ,' / / | \_/\___|_| \___/_||_|_\__\__,_| | \ \ `, - `- -- `-'- -ejm-------------------------------------VK-- -`-' -- -' - ###### From: Ilmari Karonen Newsgroups: alt.ascii-art Subject: Re: So, You Want To Make Text Art? Date: 6 Jan 2000 11:35:48 GMT Organization: (dis)Order of the Holy Spoon (or whatever) Lines: 29 Distribution: world Message-ID: <851umk$ptv$1@tron.sci.fi> References: <8404ni$bve$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <386C9520.5C2E@earthling.net> <386e673e.0@206.103.97.91> <386EA280.25F9@earthling.net> <386F0346.9AB412B7@gtcom.net> <386F08E6.7BB1@earthling.net> <386f48ac.0@206.103.97.91> <386F7294.7C46@earthling.net> <84p7pi$gej$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <38715D23.2966@earthling.net> <3871cf61.0@206.103.97.91> <84tcrr$43s$1@kujawiak.man.lodz.pl> NNTP-Posting-Host: joshua.saunalahti.fi User-Agent: postit.pl 0.03 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newsfeeds.belnet.be!news.belnet.be!skynet.be!newsfeed1.funet.fi!nntp.inet.fi!inet.fi!newsfeeds.saunalahti.fi!news.sci.fi!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.ascii-art:7372 On Tue, 04 Jan 2000 19:44:40 GMT, Lambda (lambda@insipid.cjb.net) wrote: : [4 Jan 2000 18:06:51 GMT] Przemyslaw Brojewski (brojek@kis.p.lodz.pl) : posted <84tcrr$43s$1@kujawiak.man.lodz.pl> in alt.ascii-art : : > Here's the boring chart how many of them used what software: : > : > 12 Microsoft Outlook Express : > 11 Mozilla : > 5 Forte Free Agent : > 4 Forte Agent : > 2 tin : > 1 postit.pl : > 1 fart : > 1 Turnpike : > 1 Supernews : > 1 MicroPlanet Gravity : ^^^ : Hey! That's me! That's me! *proud* : > 1 MT-NewsWatcher : > 1 Deja.com And that odd "postit.pl" up there is my very own Perl script. I'm actually using TIN to _read_ this group, but I hacked together that script to let me do things like these funny addresses of mine. -- Ilmari Karonen - http://www.sci.fi/~iltzu/ "However, what you are implying is *probably* anatomically impossible, if not topologically." -- Simon Cozens in the monastery ###### From: Veronica Karlsson Newsgroups: alt.ascii-art Subject: Re: So, You Want To Make Text Art? Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2000 14:12:10 +0100 Lines: 59 Message-ID: <387494AA.3027@earthling.net> References: <8404ni$bve$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <386C9520.5C2E@earthling.net> <386e673e.0@206.103.97.91> <386EA280.25F9@earthling.net> <386F0346.9AB412B7@gtcom.net> <386F08E6.7BB1@earthling.net> <386f48ac.0@206.103.97.91> <386F7294.7C46@earthling.net> <84p7pi$gej$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lambda65.sm.luth.se Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (X11; I; SunOS 5.7 sun4u) Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!isdnet!newsfeed.tli.de!newsfeed1.uni2.dk!uio.no!news.kth.se!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.ascii-art:7373 Gerfried Fuchs wrote: > Well, Veronica is (I have to be honest in that way me too) that kind of > guy that seldomly congratulates others for the great stuff. Oh, I do, but only when something is *exceptionally* good, IMO, and when not five other people have already done so. > I bet Veronica just wanted to point out that a chart is > better than "just the keys on the keyboard" and also said why - and > nothing more. Yes. As simple as that. I expected maybe two or three other people jumping in and discussing the matter further, as is typical for this group. Of course I was aware of that it was JRO that wrote the post I was responding to (after all, his name and pictures were all over it) but I didn't think I needed to give him any special treatment. I gave him the same answer I would have given llizard, Ilmari Karonen, or Joan Stark (just to mention three very different people, one who is a good friend, non-techy but with an aim for correctness, and two I've only communicated with in the group, one of which is more techy than artistic, and one who is more artistic than techy). >The problem was I think the nothing more. If she would >have written something like: "The rest of your FAQ is great" or similar >you wouldn't have get that angry, would you? Like I said, I didn't know I needed to give him any special treatment. I don't see why I should give anybody any special treatment. > You didn't get the point here. It's as I mentioned above - if you tell >someone the essential things late it might ruin load of work. Exactly. > I must admit that I haven't seen the FAQ yet http://studserv.stud.uni-hannover.de/~freise/ascii/faq.html > In fact I'm > quite sure you _want_ to misinterpret her just to make her upset That's the impression I got too, and the reason I wanted the discussion in the group rather than in email. In the group anybody can jump in and comment. The comments could go in his direction, or mine, but they would still be by other people than just me. -- (, http://www.ludd.luth.se/~vk/cgi/asciichat/ /|__--__ . __--__ |\ '__ /|\ _{ _ `.' / `.,_ _________ | _________ _,.' (/ `. / ||``._.' ASCII ART CHAT! `---'|:||,/ .' /| /|:| \ .' /\ \ __ __ _ `/|'\' ` `,/ /`,\ \ \ / /__ _ _ ___ _ _ (_)__ __ _ /,'\ \ .'.' /| \ V / -_) '_/ _ \ ' \| / _/ _` | |\ `.`. ,' / / | \_/\___|_| \___/_||_|_\__\__,_| | \ \ `, - `- -- `-'- -ejm-------------------------------------VK-- -`-' -- -' - ###### From: Veronica Karlsson Newsgroups: alt.ascii-art Subject: Re: So, You Want To Make Text Art? Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2000 14:35:23 +0100 Lines: 27 Message-ID: <38749A1B.1774@earthling.net> References: <8404ni$bve$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <386C9520.5C2E@earthling.net> <386e673e.0@206.103.97.91> <386EA280.25F9@earthling.net> <386F0346.9AB412B7@gtcom.net> <386F08E6.7BB1@earthling.net> <386f48ac.0@206.103.97.91> <386F7294.7C46@earthling.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: lambda65.sm.luth.se Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (X11; I; SunOS 5.7 sun4u) Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.grnet.gr!news-feed1.eu.concert.net!news.algonet.se!algonet!newsfeed1.online.no!newsfeed.online.no!Norway.EU.net!uio.no!news.kth.se!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.ascii-art:7374 Gerfried Fuchs wrote: > You know that "what chars /should I/am I allowed to/ use?" is one of > the Frequently Asked Questions? So somehow I think you have a little > inconsistency in your thinking ;) It may not be one of the most Frequently Asked Questions, but it is definitely one of the most Frequently Encountered Problems (i.e. a question that many newbies don't yet know that they _should_ ask). IMO it belongs in the FAQ. As I said before, I'm not too fond of the name "FAQ", as it suggests that only questions that have already been asked should be answered in it. Or maybe it should fall under "Why don't my pictures look right?", or "Why do people complain that my pictures don't look right?" ? -- (, http://www.ludd.luth.se/~vk/cgi/asciichat/ /|__--__ . __--__ |\ '__ /|\ _{ _ `.' / `.,_ _________ | _________ _,.' (/ `. / ||``._.' ASCII ART CHAT! `---'|:||,/ .' /| /|:| \ .' /\ \ __ __ _ `/|'\' ` `,/ /`,\ \ \ / /__ _ _ ___ _ _ (_)__ __ _ /,'\ \ .'.' /| \ V / -_) '_/ _ \ ' \| / _/ _` | |\ `.`. ,' / / | \_/\___|_| \___/_||_|_\__\__,_| | \ \ `, - `- -- `-'- -ejm-------------------------------------VK-- -`-' -- -' - ###### From: Jan-Erik Finnberg Newsgroups: alt.ascii-art Subject: Re: So, You Want To Make Text Art? Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2000 18:01:37 +0200 Organization: SAUNALAHDEN SERVERIN asiakas Lines: 85 Message-ID: References: <8404ni$bve$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <4ej76scqklib28d7lvkdvce97dhq2j9jq2@4ax.com> <386f6bcc.23006563@news.concentric.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: mkcl.hdyn.saunalahti.fi Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.6/32.525 trialware Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newsfeeds.belnet.be!news.belnet.be!nexus.news.chello.be!news.tvd.be!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!news.algonet.se!newsfeed1.telenordia.se!algonet!newsfeed1.funet.fi!nntp.inet.fi!inet.fi!newsfeeds.saunalahti.fi!news.sci.fi!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.ascii-art:7401 On 5 Jan 2000 12:35:59 GMT, alfie@innocent.com (Gerfried Fuchs) wrote: > Well, on my C64 (which I prodly still have!) there are loads of >combinations on the keys that are not standard at all, too ;)) Yes, but I think we can safely assume no-one posts here using a C64 *knocks on wood* [Snip] >> Do not use any other characters. > You have forgot to mention that you can use both uppercase and >lowercase letters. It's neat - strange that noone has thought about that >before (or haven't I simply not noticed that?). Well, I think most people would figure that out. On the other hand I don't think that many alphanumerical characters are used in the artsy part of ASCII-pictures. They're mostly used in signs and so forth. (I know someone is going to reply with a picture full of mixed-case letters) >> Ob (non-)ascii: picture of my keyboard. >> >> ,---. ,---.---,---.---, ,---.---.---, >> |Esc| |F1 |F2 |F3 |F4 | |F5 |F6 |F7 | Rest snipped, you propably >> | | | | | | | | | | | got the idea already... >> `---' `---^---^---^---' `---^---^---^ I just realized that would hale looked SOO much better like this: ,---. ,---v---v---v---, ,---v---v---v |Esc| |F1 |F2 |F3 |F4 | |F5 |F6 |F7 | | | | | | | | | | | | `---' `---^---^---^---' `---^---^---^ Then again, maybe not.... > Pound sign ($) over here. That's a dollar sign! >> ¨= umlaut, two dots > So you can procuse the umlaut o with either the key or with this and o? >Did I get that right? Yep. First press the umlaut, then a,e,i,o,u,y, the same with the "pretty much '"-key, press it (or `) and a,e,i,o,u,y or "^" or "~" and some other key... > This one is really terrific!!! I simply _love_ it. Maybe we should Aww, it's not that good.. *basks* >produce a html-version of this to show the differences with all the >different keyboard layouts? And of cause the special characters unicoded >:) If you want to do it, use my keyboard as a template, if you wish, I'm too lazy. I might have had too much time to make my own keyboard, but to make more... > Oh, and I really love the way you did the windows- and them menu-key :) They look a bit bad on my end, though, because Lucida console has the tilde at about the same height as the dash, so it looks something like this: While it of course SHOULD look like this: | | /\/ | | --+--+-- --+--+-- /\/ | | | | --+--+-- --+--+-- | | | | /\/ /\/ So I did those keys with other fonts in mind. -- Jan-Erik Finnberg wheany@icenet.no.spam.please.fi ICQ:49316651 http://www.saunalahti.fi/~wheany/FFVII/ FF7 midis and not much more!! http://www.saunalahti.fi/~wheany/nethack/ Nethack 3.3.0 download "Life is like a metaphor" ###### From: Veronica Karlsson Newsgroups: alt.ascii-art Subject: Re: So, You Want To Make Text Art? Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2000 19:32:01 +0100 Lines: 52 Message-ID: <3874DFA1.51D1@earthling.net> References: <8404ni$bve$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <386C9520.5C2E@earthling.net> <386e673e.0@206.103.97.91> <386EA280.25F9@earthling.net> <386F0346.9AB412B7@gtcom.net> <386F08E6.7BB1@earthling.net> <386f48ac.0@206.103.97.91> <386F7294.7C46@earthling.net> <84p7pi$gej$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <38715D23.2966@earthling.net> <3871cf61.0@206.103.97.91> <84tcrr$43s$1@kujawiak.man.lodz.pl> <38728984.0@206.103.97.91> <38733EF4.7F76@TAKEOUTTHEGARBAGEyahoo.com> <3874518a.0@206.103.97.91> NNTP-Posting-Host: lambda65.sm.luth.se Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (X11; I; SunOS 5.7 sun4u) Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!uio.no!news.kth.se!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.ascii-art:7376 JRO wrote: > llizard wrote: > > Please do better research before making claims. > > Pardon ME, Elizardbeth. Now, this is very rude of you! Here's the kind of thing I was talking about when I wrote that you aim to hurt people on a personal level. You are not meeting her arguments with this comment. You are posting her name (misspelled, but still recognisable) in a newsgroup even though you know very well that she does not want people to do that. > > 3.) Nobody owns a thread. These are discussions. One person starts a > > thread. Other people join in. > > You are quite correct. However, as a matter of etterkette, I sort of > attribute "ownership" of these little art threads on AAA, to the person > who starts and maintains the discussion, ect.. The person who posts the first post to what becomes a thread is known as the "original poster". In this thread that person is you. That person does not _own_ the thread. > For instance, I stay off your threads, llizard does not own any threads either. > as a matter of courtesy, because we don't get along. I > won't come make trouble on them. It seems to me a decent policy, on > a newsgroup such as this. Perhaps you should consider adopting it, > yourself. Why should she? I don't see any need for such a "policy". If you apply such a "policy" to what you personally post, well, that's between you and yourself. If you demand that others should do the same and "stay off" threads that you post to then, frankly, you do not belong on Usenet. -- (, http://www.ludd.luth.se/~vk/cgi/asciichat/ /|__--__ . __--__ |\ '__ /|\ _{ _ `.' / `.,_ _________ | _________ _,.' (/ `. / ||``._.' ASCII ART CHAT! `---'|:||,/ .' /| /|:| \ .' /\ \ __ __ _ `/|'\' ` `,/ /`,\ \ \ / /__ _ _ ___ _ _ (_)__ __ _ /,'\ \ .'.' /| \ V / -_) '_/ _ \ ' \| / _/ _` | |\ `.`. ,' / / | \_/\___|_| \___/_||_|_\__\__,_| | \ \ `, - `- -- `-'- -ejm-------------------------------------VK-- -`-' -- -' - ###### Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!not-for-mail From: Neil Franklin Newsgroups: alt.ascii-art Subject: Re: So, You Want To Make Text Art? Date: 06 Jan 2000 21:01:17 +0100 Organization: My own Private Self Lines: 111 Message-ID: <6u9023m0ky.fsf@chonsp.franklin.ch> References: <8404ni$bve$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <386C9520.5C2E@earthling.net> <386e673 e.0@206.103.97.91> <386EA280.25F9@earthling.net> <386F0346.9AB412B7@gtcom.net> < 386F08E6.7BB1@earthling.net> <386f48ac.0@206.103.97.91> <386F7294.7C46@earthling .net> <38744c0f.0@206.103.97.91> NNTP-Posting-Host: chonsp.franklin.ch X-Trace: chonsp.franklin.ch 947188879 609 10.0.3.2 (6 Jan 2000 20:01:19 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news@chonsp.franklin.ch NNTP-Posting-Date: 6 Jan 2000 20:01:19 GMT X-Newsreader: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.ascii-art:7422 "JRO" writes: > Gerfried Fuchs wrote in message news:slrn876fm6.7k.alfie@ pc9601.sie.siemens.at... > > I don't currently know who said it, but: > > "There are three kind of lies: lies, damned lies and statistics!" > > Disraeli said that, I do believe. Yes. Later popularised by Churchill. > > keyboard. And on the other hand: We don't have to care! This is an > > international group, isn't it? So you really want to leave the people > > that are using non us-keyboard layout keyboards out of this group? You > > can't guess how many people are using us-keyboards - but you think you > > can guess how many people interested in ascii-art and lurking/posting to > > aaa have an us-keyboard?? Sorry, but this sounds rediculous to me. It is ridiculous. Thats why. > > Maybe we should really just start a question round in here to see an > > quite (for I bet not all the lurkers will take part in it, maybe not > > even the regulars and/or newbies) exact percentage... And I bet you > > that you will be astonished by the result. Try to prove me wrong :) > > I don't know how many people have extended keyboards. Less than have > standard ones, I feel quite certain. But nowhere near the 10% you are claiming. More in the 30-50% range. I has ceased to be an insignificant group (< 5% in standard statistics teaching) a long time ago. > This is not really an International newsgroup, you know. It's > American. Huh??? This is not us.alt.ascii-art. Are you possibly posting to the wrong group? :-) > Usenet is American. Error. us.* is the U.S.-ian sector of Usenet (America also includes Canada, Mexico and everything south of them). > You're even posting in English. W W H H A TTTTT ??? ! W W H H A A T ? ? ! W W W HHHHH AAAAA T ? ! W W W H H A A T ? W W H H A A T ? ! First this guy steals Usenet from the world, then he steals the english language from the englisch. Hint: in is called englisch, not american or usian. Good job we exported these yanks to the colonies :-). > No, there is no inconsistency, here. I have yet to see anyone post to an > English-speaking newsgroup, using extended characters in what they have > to SAY. I imagine the majority of computer users, who have keyboards that > include extended characters, realize what they are. Perhaps this has nothing to do with recognizing them to be non-ASCII, but rather with the english language words not using them? > > So, if the feeling is the only thing that remains - why write the FAQ > > at all? A good feeling doesn't mean then that you remember the things in > > it... > > Even the Facks are written in English. My tutorials are also written in > English, primarily for people who read English. English speakers/readers > DO make most of the posts to Usenet, you know. I did not leave out the Just because people are writing englisch, and because of this only using the characters in english words does not mean that they all are using U.S. layout (or any other only-ASCII) keyboards. > ON the OTHER hand... most of the people who DO post extended characters, > here ARE English-speaking people... Because they may: a) be americans with a keyboard with non-ASCII characters after all the US PC keyboard is a mix between ASCII/TTY and Selectric b) have some character set tool window open to deliberately use the full set -> they are useless for writing, so they must be for art :-) c) be foreigners who have extendeds directly on keys > Aparently, the "foriengers" know their keyboards better, than the people > who have to use alt+number to make their extendeds... Or use an character set tool window. -- Neil Franklin, neil@franklin.ch.remove http://neil.franklin.ch/ ###### From: Lambda Newsgroups: alt.ascii-art Subject: Re: So, You Want To Make Text Art? Message-ID: References: <8404ni$bve$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <386C9520.5C2E@earthling.net> <386e673e.0@206.103.97.91> <386EA280.25F9@earthling.net> <386F0346.9AB412B7@gtcom.net> <386F08E6.7BB1@earthling.net> <386f48ac.0@206.103.97.91> <386F7294.7C46@earthling.net> <84p7pi$gej$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <38715D23.2966@earthling.net> <3871cf61.0@206.103.97.91> <84tcrr$43s$1@kujawiak.man.lodz.pl> Organization: UDUSS - http://uduss.cjb.net | insipid - http://insipid.cjb.net X-Newsreader: MicroPlanet Gravity v2.20 X-Is-Paranoid: yes X-No-Archive: yes Lines: 22 Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2000 19:44:31 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.43.214.134 X-Complaints-To: abuse@freesurf.fr X-Trace: nnrp3.clara.net 947187871 212.43.214.134 (Thu, 06 Jan 2000 19:44:31 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2000 19:44:31 GMT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newsfeeds.belnet.be!news.belnet.be!newsfeed.icl.net!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!nnrp3.clara.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.ascii-art:7479 [Thu, 06 Jan 2000 00:54:52 +0100] Peter Punk (ppunk@damnthatspam.hetnet.nl) posted in alt.ascii-art : > I tried it once, but i don't think it's near as user-friendly as Forté Agent. That's really strange, I tried to install Forté Agent several times, but never really liked it. I always go back to my good ol' Gravity. ObASCII : ''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''' ''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''' Steps left in the snow by a centipede. -- Lambda | Ultra Discreet Underground Secret Society http://insipid.cjb.net | http://www.uduss.cjb.net lambda@insipid.cjb.net | member #000001 - 000001@uduss.cjb.net _________________________________________________________________________ -You may also notice a laxative effect. ###### From: "JRO" Newsgroups: alt.ascii-art References: <8404ni$bve$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <386C9520.5C2E@earthling.net> <386e673e.0@206.103.97.91> <386EA280.25F9@earthling.net> <386F0346.9AB412B7@gtcom.net> <386F08E6.7BB1@earthling.net> <386f48ac.0@206.103.97.91> <386F7294.7C46@earthling.net> <386F8AFC.3F82@earthling.net> <387066c4.0@206.103.97.91> <38712BD9.6C0A@earthling.net> <3872ede0.0@206.103.97.91> <38747D2D.3819@earthling.net> Subject: Re: So, You Want To Make Text Art? Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2000 16:53:03 -0600 Lines: 281 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.226.27.39 Message-ID: <38751a4d.0@206.103.97.91> X-Trace: 6 Jan 2000 16:42:21 -0600, 216.226.27.39 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newsfeeds.belnet.be!news.belnet.be!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-feeder2.wcg.net!WCG!news.good.net!206.103.97.91!216.226.27.39 Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.ascii-art:7473 Veronica Karlsson wrote in message news:38747D2D.3819@earthling.net... > This is an unmoderated Usenet newsgroup. I stay if I want to. You stay > if you want to. Neither of us can force the other to leave. All you can > do about the situation is ignore me. All I can do about the situation is > ignore you. At the moment I choose not to, and apparently so do you. Oh... So, you decline. Like you did, when you threatened to post my responses to your rude, unsolicited emails - to "Show the newsgroup what I was really like", you said at the time. I wrote back, granting you permission to do so, adding that you should post your rude little emails that started it, and your replies. You declined that, too. :D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D :D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D > I've heard this one before. Usually from people (mostly other students) > who keep talking about their 3-10 different family members _much_ more > than I talk about my _one_ family member (not counting the cat). The > difference is that they can lay 10-30% of the mentioning of family > member names on different people. They can mention "mother", "father", > "sister" and "brother" (all of which can refer to more than one person). > I only have one of those, so she gets 100% of the mentioning. Oh yes... Your cat. You know, I knew you had a cat, but it wasn't until recently that I notice you POST to alt.cat.fetish. Gawd! Most people keep those things as pets - but your cat is a member of the family? AND YOU ENGAGE IN SEXUAL ACTS WITH IT, EVEN POSTING TO A "FETISH" NEWSGROUP, TO SHARE YOUR "EXPERIENCES"? Wow. :D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D :D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D Yes, I know how you treat your Mother, too. Poor woman, for how sharper than a serpent's tooth it is to have a thankless child. "Mommie! Mommie! Mommie! Mommie! Mommie! Mommie! Mommie! Mommie! Mommie! Mommie! Mommie! Mommie!" / / _\/____ / _ \ / __/ \__ \ |/ o o \| || (") || || ' o ' || __||\__~(\\\|_ / \\ | / \ / |_\\___/ | \ |___/ \ \___| | / \ \ | ( \____ _\_____/ | / \ ___ \ |____________| ______ ) \ o / / \\__________/ //// \ / \ / \ /__________________\ / \/ \ / || \ \ /\ / |______||______| | / \ | _ |____/ \_____| _ / \/~~~~| |~~~~\/ \ __\_______|_____|_______/________ Accurate portrait of "Veronikuh", as she now appears. Copyright 2000 by JRO > Then there are those who are a little older and also have wives/husbands > and children... An experience you are not likely to enjoy, as you are homelier than a Bloodhound, as foul tempered as a Chow-Chow, and as dumb as an Afghan. If you were a car, you'd be a Yugo, and your octane rating's zero. If you were a pair of shoes - you'd be crude brogans. As a child, you could use Rogaine. You'll never get off Welfare; because you've always been there. You'd like to get me to recognize you, and you cry 'cause I despise you. So, you're always in someone's ointment, because you just can't get an appointment. You should be a total boozer, because you were born a total looser... Yeah, you're a kotex, a kotex - with menstruation on your brain. A kotex, a kotex - you should be flushed right down the drain. .-. You'd like to get some ripe attention, / / But you're just not worth the metion. / / And you like to do you're bitchin', / / Kotex by JRO Becuz of where it is you're itchin'. /__/ Copyright 2000 If you could only pull it out, ; But then you'd just put it in your mouth... `. ' You're a kotex, a kotex - you've been used and used and used. Just a kotex, a kotex - you just love being abused. You'd like to be a little robot, But you jus' can't get up off the pot. I'm know you've got an electric boner, 'Cuz it's for sure you're such a loner. But behind all you're rank rhetoric, You know you're just plain damn pathetic. Yeah, you're a kotex, a kotex - with menstruation on your brain. A kotex, a kotex - you should be flushed right down the drain. Just another damned hammerhead, always menstruatin' and always in pain! A kotex, a kotex - hammerhead without a brain. "Ode to Veronikuh" by JRO Copyright 2000 Yes, you are definately worth flushing... .---------------. ||||| ( I'm no fantasy! ) ||. .|| -'`---------------' |||\=/||| |.-- --.| <-VK, "the goddess" (by VK-{these were made /(.) (.)\____ by me}; updated for accuracy, by JRO.) \) . (_\___] ( V )\o)|| ___ | | | || (_(o) _\__|__/_ || )_) \_ _/_|/ (_( ____ ) ( | ___________ ____ (______/____________ ____________________________ _____________________jro___ .----------------. ||||| ( I'm a BIG KOTEX! ) ||. .|| -'`----------------' |||\=/||| |.-- --.| VK /(.) (.)\____ \) . (_\___] ( V )\o)|| ___ | | | || (_(o) _\__|__/__ || )_) \_ _/_|/ (_( ____ ) ( | ___________ ____ (______/____________ ____________________________ _____________________jro___ .----------------------------------. ||||| ( BOO HOO HOO! Time for me to go...! ) ||. .|| -'`----------------------------------' |||\=/||| |.-- --.| /(.) (.)\____ \) . (_\___] ( V )\o)|| ___ | | | || (_(o) _\__|__/_ || )_) \_ _/_|/ (_( ____ ) ( | ___________ ____ (______/____________ ____________________________ _____________________jro___ o o O __ _ O _ o / _| | | | o | |_| |_ o _ ___| |__ o | _| | | | / __| '_ \ O o | | | | |_| \__ \ | | | |_| |_|\__,_|___/_| |_| .------------------------. / "OH MIGHTY THOR, HELP \ | ME! I AM TOO FAT AND | | UGLY FOR EVEN THE SHITTER | \ TO SUCK ME DOWN!" / `-------.----------------' ________;___ [_\\|||//___] VK (\||. .||/)|| ___ |\||\=/||/ || (_(o) __|-- --|_ || )_) \_""""""_/_|/ (_( ____ ) ( | ___________ ____ (______/____________ ____________________________ _____________________jro___ ...THOR hears her, and answers... \ \| ` | | .-----. | / |`---'|___/_.-./__ THOR'S | |__/ (_/___||||||o. HAMMER --> | | /_/_/_/ ; `-----' ____________ [_\\|||//___] VK (\||, ,||/)|| ___ |\||\=/||/ || (_(o) __|-- --|_ || )_) \_""""""_/_|/ (_( ____ ) ( | ___________ ____ (______/____________ ____________________________ _____________________jro___ ___ ____ __ __ _ __ _ | _ \ / __ \ | \ | || | / / | | ||_)/ | | | || |\\| || |/ / | | | _ \ | | | || | \ || _ \ |_| ||_)/ \ \__/ /| | \ || | \ | _ |__/ \____/ |_| \||_| \| (_) ___ ____ __ __ _ __ _ | _ \ / __ \ | \ | || | / / | | ||_)/ | | | || |\\| || |/ / | | | _ \ | | | || | \ || _ \ |_| ||_)/ \ \__/ /| | \ || | \ | _ |__/ \____/ |_| \||_| \| (_) ___ ____ __ __ _ __ _ | _ \ / __ \ | \ | || | / / | | ||_)/ | | | || |\\| || |/ / | | | _ \ | | | || | \ || _ \ |_| ||_)/ \ \__/ /| | \ || | \ | _ |__/ \____/ |_| \||_| \| (_) o O o o O o _ O o _ o O o | | o o | | __ _ _ _ _ __ __ _| | ___ __ _ _ _ _ __ __ _| | ___ / _` | | | | '__/ _` | |/ _ \ / _` | | | | '__/ _` | |/ _ \ | (_| | |_| | | | (_| | | __/ (_| | |_| | | | (_| | | __/ \__, |\__,_|_| \__, |_|\___| \__, |\__,_|_| \__, |_|\___| __/ | O __/ | _ __/ | __/ | |___/ |___/ o | |___/ O |___/ o ___ _ _ ___| | __ o / __| | | |/ __| |/ / \__ \ |_| | (__| < |___/\__,_|\___|_|\_\ ___________ [___________] | -o|| ___ | || (_(o) _|________ || )_) \_ _/_|/ (_( ____ ) ( | ___________ ____ (______/____________ ____________________________ _____________________jro___ ... Now she'll find peace. ###### From: ppunk@damnthatspam.hetnet.nl (Peter Punk) Subject: Re: So, You Want To Make Text Art? Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2000 00:15:22 +0100 Organization: Total Disorganisation Message-ID: References: <8404ni$bve$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <386C9520.5C2E@earthling.net> <386e673e.0@206.103.97.91> <386EA280.25F9@earthling.net> <386F0346.9AB412B7@gtcom.net> <386F08E6.7BB1@earthling.net> <386f48ac.0@206.103.97.91> <386F7294.7C46@earthling.net> <84p7pi$gej$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <38715D23.2966@earthling.net> <3871cf61.0@206.103.97.91> <84tcrr$43s$1@kujawiak.man.lodz.pl> <38741b52@news> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.7/32.534 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Newsgroups: alt.ascii-art NNTP-Posting-Host: hrv0109-1.dial.wxs.nl 195.121.186.109 Lines: 25 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newscore.univie.ac.at!newsfeed.Austria.EU.net!nmaster.kpnqwest.net!npeer.kpnqwest.net!news1.kpn.net!master.news.hetnet.nl!news1.hetnet.nl Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.ascii-art:7491 On Thu, 06 Jan 2000 04:27:50 GMT, amykate@nospammail.com (Amykate) provoked the following text: >>>> 1 MicroPlanet Gravity >>> ^^^ >>>Hey! That's me! That's me! *proud* >>I tried it once, but i don't think it's near as user-friendly as Forté Agent. > .-'"'-. > ((((()))) > ()a, a() > `( :~ )' > ___) (__ > / \______/ \ > / ( )( ) \ >akg / /| |\ \ > >I feel so left out *sniff* >I posted during that time period and never made the list at all!!! >Just for the record , I use NewsXpress. Awww... There there, dry your tears and lay you wept-tired little head on my not-so-big shoulder :-) .---' '---. / U \ ( v v ) | | : | | | | : | | -- Peter Punk \ / ---\\\\--- / \ WindowError:683 Operator fell asleep while waiting. ###### From: "Ool" Newsgroups: alt.ascii-art Subject: Re: So, You Want To Make Text Art? Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2000 02:39:41 +0100 Organization: T-Online Lines: 11 Message-ID: <853h3o$17e$1@news05.btx.dtag.de> References: <8404ni$bve$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <386C9520.5C2E@earthling.net> <386e673e.0@206.103.97.91> <386EA280.25F9@earthling.net> <386F0346.9AB412B7@gtcom.net> <386F08E6.7BB1@earthling.net> <386f48ac.0@206.103.97.91> <386F7294.7C46@earthling.net> <386F8AFC.3F82@earthling.net> <387066c4.0@206.103.97.91> <38712BD9.6C0A@earthling.net> <3872ede0.0@206.103.97.91> <38747D2D.3819@earthling.net> <38751a4d.0@206.103.97.91> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: news05.btx.dtag.de 947210168 1262 320017688798-0001 000107 01:56:08 X-Complaints-To: abuse@t-online.de X-Sender: 320017688798-0001@t-dialin.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newscore.univie.ac.at!news-MUC.ecrc.net!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!newsmm00.btx.dtag.de!t-online.de!news.btx.dtag.de!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.ascii-art:7438 You really have a way with women! -- ___ __ __ "Muscles of All Limbs, Unite! / _ / _( ) You Have Nothing to Lose But Your Sinews." ( (_( (_))(__ \___\__(____) ©OOL mm ###### From: "JRO" Newsgroups: alt.ascii-art References: <8404ni$bve$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <386C9520.5C2E@earthling.net> <386e673e.0@206.103.97.91> <386EA280.25F9@earthling.net> <386F0346.9AB412B7@gtcom.net> <386F08E6.7BB1@earthling.net> <386f48ac.0@206.103.97.91> <386F7294.7C46@earthling.net> <386F8AFC.3F82@earthling.net> <387066c4.0@206.103.97.91> <38712BD9.6C0A@earthling.net> <3872ede0.0@206.103.97.91> <38747D2D.3819@earthling.net> <38751a4d.0@206.103.97.91> <853h3o$17e$1@news05.btx.dtag.de> Subject: Re: So, You Want To Make Text Art? Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2000 21:54:38 -0600 Lines: 14 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.226.27.49 Message-ID: <387560f8.0@206.103.97.91> X-Trace: 6 Jan 2000 21:43:52 -0600, 216.226.27.49 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!news-feeder.wcg.net!WCG!news.good.net!206.103.97.91!216.226.27.49 Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.ascii-art:7470 Ool wrote in message news:853h3o$17e$1@news05.btx.dtag.de... > You really have a way with women! > Thanks. I guess I do... Only with the pretty ones, though. May your luck be as good, or better. JRO ###### From: Gergely Kronome Newsgroups: alt.ascii-art Subject: Re: So, You Want To Make Text Art? Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2000 02:03:35 +0800 Organization: NCUCC News Server Lines: 20 Message-ID: References: <8404ni$bve$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <386C9520.5C2E@earthling.net> <386e673e.0@206.103.97.91> <386EA280.25F9@earthling.net> <386F0346.9AB412B7@gtcom.net> <386F08E6.7BB1@earthling.net> <386f48ac.0@206.103.97.91> <386F7294.7C46@earthling.net> <38744c0f.0@206.103.97.91> NNTP-Posting-Host: cliq.phy.ncu.edu.tw Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Trace: news.ncu.edu.tw 947267831 21088 140.115.30.72 (7 Jan 2000 17:57:11 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@news.ncu.edu.tw NNTP-Posting-Date: 7 Jan 2000 17:57:11 GMT In-Reply-To: <38744c0f.0@206.103.97.91> Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!ctu-gate!news.nctu.edu.tw!news.ncu.edu.tw!cliq.phy.ncu.edu.tw!kronome Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.ascii-art:7428 On Thu, 6 Jan 2000, JRO wrote: > This is not really an International newsgroup, you know. It's American. > Usenet is American. You're even posting in English. While the truth, AFAIK, goes something like this: This is really an International newsgroup, you know. It's not 'merikan. Usenet is not 'merikan. People are posting *here* in English only because this one happens to be an English (not 'merikan) language newsgroup. BTW i'm European, speaking from Asia, using newsreader Pine under Linux. I bet you can hardly imagine such a creature exists, huh? |] gone back lurking, greetings, Gergely Kronome PS: Where's Joan Stark? ###### From: ppunk@damnthatspam.hetnet.nl (Peter Punk) Subject: Re: So, You Want To Make Text Art? Date: Sun, 09 Jan 2000 01:09:31 +0100 Organization: Total Disorganisation Message-ID: References: <386e673e.0@206.103.97.91> <386EA280.25F9@earthling.net> <386F0346.9AB412B7@gtcom.net> <386F08E6.7BB1@earthling.net> <386f48ac.0@206.103.97.91> <386F7294.7C46@earthling.net> <84p7pi$gej$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <38715D23.2966@earthling.net> <3871cf61.0@206.103.97.91> <84tcrr$43s$1@kujawiak.man.lodz.pl> <38741b52@news> <38769109@news> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.7/32.534 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Newsgroups: alt.ascii-art NNTP-Posting-Host: hrv0283-1.dial.wxs.nl 195.121.187.27 Lines: 28 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newsfeeds.belnet.be!news.belnet.be!news.be.easynet.net!newsfeed.wirehub.nl!newsfeed.tli.de!newsfeed2.news.nl.uu.net!sun4nl!news1.kpn.net!master.news.hetnet.nl!news1.hetnet.nl Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.ascii-art:7524 On Sat, 08 Jan 2000 01:14:36 GMT, amykate@nospammail.com (Amykate) provoked the following text: >>>>>> 1 MicroPlanet Gravity >>>>> ^^^ >>>>>Hey! That's me! That's me! *proud* >>>>I tried it once, but i don't think it's near as user-friendly as Forté Agent. >>>I feel so left out *sniff* >>>I posted during that time period and never made the list at all!!! >>>Just for the record , I use NewsXpress. >>Awww... There there, dry your tears and lay you wept-tired little head on my >>not-so-big shoulder :-) > > .-. .-'"'-. > .' ((((()))) > . ()a a() > .---' '---. `( ._. )' > / U \ ___) (__ > ( v v ) \______/ \ > | | : | |( )( ) \ > | | : | | | |\ \ I was only talking about my shoulder, if you want me to have a face as well, you'll have to draw it yourself :-)) >Thanks It was my pleasure, trust me :-) -- Peter Punk \ / ---\\\\--- / \ Every morning is the dawn of a new error. ###### From: Veronica Karlsson Newsgroups: alt.ascii-art Subject: Re: So, You Want To Make Text Art? Date: Sun, 09 Jan 2000 19:29:04 +0100 Lines: 43 Message-ID: <3878D370.5AD2@earthling.net> References: <8404ni$bve$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <386C9520.5C2E@earthling.net> <386e673e.0@206.103.97.91> <386EA280.25F9@earthling.net> <386F0346.9AB412B7@gtcom.net> <386F08E6.7BB1@earthling.net> <386f48ac.0@206.103.97.91> <386F7294.7C46@earthling.net> <84p7pi$gej$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <38715D23.2966@earthling.net> <3871cf61.0@206.103.97.91> <38720039.1100@earthling.net> <3877863f.3348065@news.teleport.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lambda65.sm.luth.se Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (X11; I; SunOS 5.7 sun4u) Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!isdnet!newsfeed.tli.de!newsfeed.nacamar.de!uio.no!news.kth.se!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.ascii-art:7499 TooShy wrote: > Veronica Karlsson wrote: > >JRO wrote: > >> I don't know of anyone who has kept posting non-standard characters 15 > >> times. > > > >Sarah Day? TooShy? (no, I'm not going to go to Deja and count those) And > >a bunch of others whose names haven't stuck in my memory. > > > Veronica Karlsson what is it with you? show me 15 posts where i have > used alt charcters!!! 1. http://www.deja.com/=dnc/[ST_rn=ps]/getdoc.xp?AN=564805350 2. http://www.deja.com/=dnc/[ST_rn=ps]/getdoc.xp?AN=564578519 3. http://www.deja.com/=dnc/[ST_rn=ps]/getdoc.xp?AN=559713101 4. http://www.deja.com/=dnc/[ST_rn=ps]/getdoc.xp?AN=559832732 5. http://www.deja.com/=dnc/[ST_rn=ps]/getdoc.xp?AN=564178276 6. http://www.deja.com/=dnc/[ST_rn=ps]/getdoc.xp?AN=563770173 7. http://www.deja.com/=dnc/[ST_rn=ps]/getdoc.xp?AN=562006535 8. http://www.deja.com/=dnc/[ST_rn=ps]/getdoc.xp?AN=562010866 9. http://www.deja.com/=dnc/[ST_rn=ps]/getdoc.xp?AN=562010942 10. http://www.deja.com/=dnc/[ST_rn=ps]/getdoc.xp?AN=562016640 11. http://www.deja.com/=dnc/[ST_rn=ps]/getdoc.xp?AN=562035565 12. http://www.deja.com/=dnc/[ST_rn=ps]/getdoc.xp?AN=560425811 13. http://www.deja.com/=dnc/[ST_rn=ps]/getdoc.xp?AN=559381907 14. http://www.deja.com/=dnc/[ST_rn=ps]/getdoc.xp?AN=559414678 15. http://www.deja.com/=dnc/[ST_rn=ps]/getdoc.xp?AN=558503570 -- (, http://www.ludd.luth.se/~vk/cgi/asciichat/ /|__--__ . __--__ |\ '__ /|\ _{ _ `.' / `.,_ _________ | _________ _,.' (/ `. / ||``._.' ASCII ART CHAT! `---'|:||,/ .' /| /|:| \ .' /\ \ __ __ _ `/|'\' ` `,/ /`,\ \ \ / /__ _ _ ___ _ _ (_)__ __ _ /,'\ \ .'.' /| \ V / -_) '_/ _ \ ' \| / _/ _` | |\ `.`. ,' / / | \_/\___|_| \___/_||_|_\__\__,_| | \ \ `, - `- -- `-'- -ejm-------------------------------------VK-- -`-' -- -' - ###### From: Veronica Karlsson Newsgroups: alt.ascii-art Subject: Re: So, You Want To Make Text Art? Date: Sun, 09 Jan 2000 19:57:54 +0100 Lines: 106 Message-ID: <3878DA32.33C3@earthling.net> References: <8404ni$bve$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <386C9520.5C2E@earthling.net> <386e673e.0@206.103.97.91> <386EA280.25F9@earthling.net> <386F0346.9AB412B7@gtcom.net> <386F08E6.7BB1@earthling.net> <386f48ac.0@206.103.97.91> <386F7294.7C46@earthling.net> <386F8AFC.3F82@earthling.net> <387066c4.0@206.103.97.91> <38712BD9.6C0A@earthling.net> <3872ede0.0@206.103.97.91> <38747D2D.3819@earthling.net> <38751a4d.0@206.103.97.91> NNTP-Posting-Host: lambda65.sm.luth.se Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (X11; I; SunOS 5.7 sun4u) Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!uio.no!news.kth.se!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.ascii-art:7498 JRO wrote: > alt.cat.fetish > SEXUAL ACTS >"FETISH" > "Mommie! Mommie! Mommie! Mommie! Mommie! Mommie! > Mommie! Mommie! Mommie! Mommie! Mommie! Mommie!" > you are homelier > foul tempered > dumb > total looser... > Yeah, you're a kotex, A what? *search* http://www.smartgirl.com/pages/bodycare/kotexulthinsha.html OK, I get the idea... (btw, you're not supposed to flush those) > kotex > menstruation > kotex, a kotex > Kotex > kotex > kotex > kotex > kotex > abused. > up off the pot. > kotex > kotex > menstruation > kotex > kotex > flushed right down the drain. > menstruatin' > kotex > kotex > flushing... [toilet picture] > KOTEX! [toilet picture] [Figlet: "flush"] > THE SHITTER [toilet picture] [toilet picture] [Figlet: "BONK! BONK! BONK!"] [Figlet: "gurgle gurgle suck"] [toilet picture] And *you* call *me* obsessed! -- (, http://www.ludd.luth.se/~vk/cgi/asciichat/ /|__--__ . __--__ |\ '__ /|\ _{ _ `.' / `.,_ _________ | _________ _,.' (/ `. / ||``._.' ASCII ART CHAT! `---'|:||,/ .' /| /|:| \ .' /\ \ __ __ _ `/|'\' ` `,/ /`,\ \ \ / /__ _ _ ___ _ _ (_)__ __ _ /,'\ \ .'.' /| \ V / -_) '_/ _ \ ' \| / _/ _` | |\ `.`. ,' / / | \_/\___|_| \___/_||_|_\__\__,_| | \ \ `, - `- -- `-'- -ejm-------------------------------------VK-- -`-' -- -' - ###### From: Veronica Karlsson Newsgroups: alt.ascii-art Subject: Re: So, You Want To Make Text Art? Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 18:46:52 +0100 Lines: 4731 Message-ID: <387A1B0C.5D41@earthling.net> References: <8404ni$bve$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <386C9520.5C2E@earthling.net> <386e673e.0@206.103.97.91> <386EA280.25F9@earthling.net> <386F0346.9AB412B7@gtcom.net> <386F08E6.7BB1@earthling.net> <386f48ac.0@206.103.97.91> <386F7294.7C46@earthling.net> <84p7pi$gej$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <38715D23.2966@earthling.net> <3871cf61.0@206.103.97.91> <38720039.1100@earthling.net> <3877863f.3348065@news.teleport.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lambda65.sm.luth.se Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (X11; I; SunOS 5.7 sun4u) Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newsfeeds.belnet.be!news.belnet.be!newsfeed1.news.nl.uu.net!newsfeed2.news.nl.uu.net!sun4nl!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!newsfeed1.swip.net!swipnet!news-peer-europe.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!newsfeed.sunet.se!news01.sunet.se!news.kth.se!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.ascii-art:7532 TooShy wrote: > Veronica Karlsson wrote: > >JRO wrote: > >> I don't know of anyone who has kept posting non-standard characters 15 > >> times. > > > >Sarah Day? TooShy? > > > Veronica Karlsson what is it with you? show me 15 posts where i have > used alt charcters!!! (see post from yesterday) (I just noticed that this post contained a bunch of silliness from TooShy that I don't mind answering right now...) > I have posted more art here than it seems you > have in alllll the years you have been here.... You have made 72 posts to this group (according to Deja). Lets see if I can come up with that many pictures of mine... (most of which have been posted here before) 1 .-. 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(.)\ \ ) . ( / '( v )` \ | / ( | ) '- -` And here's the American version: ||||| ||. .|| |||\=/||| |.--:--.| /( ):( )\ \ ) : ( / '(__:__)` \ | / ( | ) '- -` 26 Another self portrait: ( /\ /|||||\ / \ /|||||||\ / | || @ @ || VERONICA -------> || ^ || \ | ||\ = /|| \ / |||)---(||| \/ /|| ||\ ( / || || \ ( |\ /|||||\ | \ /|||||||\ | | || + + || | | VER|| ^ ||--> | | ||\ o /|| | / |||)---(||| |/ /|| ||\ ( / || || \ 27 /* ___ */ /* / \\ */ /* ______ \ // 1 */ /* / \/ o \ --- */ /* ________/ \ 2 */ /* \_ \__\ \-----o */ /* \____|\__| */ 28 /* YYYYYYYYY */ /* | o o | 1 */ /* @ o @ --- */ /* | _____ | 4 */ /* | \___/ | */ /* \_____/ */ 29 /\/\ ________________________/ @@ \ -------. _________ > ____/< |||| |||| |||| |||| 30 _______ ZZZZ / __ \ /\/\ ZZZZ / \ \/ uu \ / _____|_ > ____/< \________)______)) 31 _______ / __ \ ( )_( ) VV(___/ / (______/ 32 M /'\ ) ` \_____/ (_____) o /| /| o / | \| 8o 33 /|/| ( @ @) ) ^ / ||| / )|||_ (_______) 34 :#: # # # .-#-. ( # ) ) (#) ( / # \ ( # ) ` ___ ' 35 ____________ // | \\ \\ ___//)__|____\\_ \\ / | \\ (|__/-\____|_____/-\__|) ( ) ( ) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ 36 @@@ @. .@ @\=/@ .- -. /(.|.)\ \ ).( / '( v )` \|/ (|) '-` 37 . (!) \_____)\_____ / /--v____ __\`) O______ )/ _// \_ ` ' ' ` (I wonder if the shark is hungry...) (yum!) . / \_____)\_____ /--v____ __`<______ )/ _// \_ ` ' ' ` (mmm!) . / \_____)\_____ /--v____ __\`) )/ /\_ ' \ ` ' (burp!) . / \_____)\_____ /--v____ __`< )/ ' 38 _.---._ /\\ ./' "--`\// ./ o \ /./\ )______ \__ \ ./ / /\ \ | \ \ \ \ / / \ \ | |\ \ \7 " " " " 39 ____ ________________________/ O \___/ <_____________________________/ \ ____ ________________________/ O \___/ <_/_\_/_\_/_\_/_\_/_\_/_______/ \ ____ ________________________/ O \___/ <%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%_____/ \ or ____ ________________________/ O \___/ <_O_O_O_O_O_O_O_O_O_O_O_O_____/ \ or ____ ________________________/ O \___/ <_8_8_8_8_8_8_8_8_8_8_8_8_____/ \ or ____ ________________________/ O \___/ <888888888888888888888888_____/ \ 40 a koala: ()() (^^) ((( ))) ( ) ()() ()() 41 (the message is: "buy a new mail program") OO __ HHHHHHHH / \ |||||| /_ | |||||| ~/ \ / => |||||| |__|/ |||||| || |||||| __ / \ /_ | +------+ ~/ \ / | $$ | => |__|/ => :-D +------+ || 42 _____ _____ // _/__ // _/__ // // / // // / // // / // // / // // / // // / // // / // // / /| _// / /| _// / / // / / / // / / ___J_C_ /__/________________________________J_C_ /__/_________ -----/ C__C% % % %\ /% % % % % / C__C---------- /_// / /% % % % %\ /% % % % % / / / /||/__/% % % % % %\ /% % % % % %|/__/| /%|%_%_%_% % % % % %\ /% % % % % %_%_%_%| \_|/ (% % % % % %\ /% % % % % %) \| | (% % % % % %\ /% % % % % %) | | (% % % % % %\ /% % % % % %) | \ (% % % % % %\ /% % % % % %) / | (% % % % % %\/% % % % % %) | \ (% % % % % %% % % % % %) / | (% % % % % % % % % %) | \ (% % % % %% % % % %) / | (% % % % % % % %) | \ (% % % %% % % %) / \ |- - - - - - | / `\.____/______________\____./' 43 ( ) ( ) ( ) __ /\/\ ) ( / \ O______-----------,\ \_ \_________/ \__) fried cat ? 44 ,(help!) `========= - O /// /|\/ // / | /| \| '' 45 an ant: "@@@ """ 46 a kitten: ,, OOQ "" 47 a snail (I did not make this one): @/ 48 an elephant: @OO, "" 49 a giraffe: , \__ ||` 50 a lion (male): @oo, "" 51 a dog (playing dead): ___ 52 a rabbit: " *& 53 a horse: , '\__ ||) 54 a cow: M / \___ |W|) 55 a bull: M / \___ |'|) 56 a pig: __ c@(__)` "" 57 a sheep: @@@` "" 58 a goat: ( /\__ ' ||` 59 a squirrel: '\& 60 a snake (just after dinner): ._OO_ 61 a swan: . `a\` 62 a cat (very thin, from behind): ! | 63 another one, a shark: /| ~~~~~~~~~~ 64 rat .%OOO___ 65 mouse .%oo__ 66 frog o _`O'_ 67 fish _ ><_> 68 dolphin _/| <_ \ `\| '` 69 whale __v_ (____\/{ 70 killer whale (I have seen some real ones in Norway) . _/| <###\ `## # '` 71 monkey (hanging from tree branch) ______ | /\@ /\ 72 zebra (being eaten by lions :P ) `ooO @oo' \_##___ Ooo' ^ \ "" > 72 lizard (or is it a crocodile? according to llizard it's a hyena) ,vvvvv^==' ( \"""\\. ` spider * bug \ / >OXO< >(|)< butterfly (not made by me) >;< same butterfly from the side (not by me either) >; worm """"""' mosquito (well it's a kind of blood sucker anyway) \ \ /\ /\ /\/\ /#/ \/ / / wasp ;( ' bee (looks like a wasp but is only interested in flowers) ;( ' (@) |' `| parrot (@> Hello Polly! {|| --""-- || || swallow (from a distance) ^^ chicken >o `O' '' -- a sudent (running, checking her watch, carrying briefcase) (me): _ ___ o_. ___ /| ! ___ ,/ | __ ### |\ __ ###/ \' ___ ` a computer: ___ [hi ] [liz] -^-. ::::: `.<> a cup of coffee (with my name on it): ~ ~ .---. `---'=. |VK | | | |=' `---' the moon shining through the window: _ (_) my bed (I am at school right now): . . /|________/| // / //| |/_/______|//! |_________|/ ! ! a clock: [00.12] a devil: @@@// @@@ .. @@ _` ` ' my program (eaten by the devil. well it doesn't work! even when I try to exit emacs and start all over again...): (yum! tasty!) @@@// / @@@ .. @@ c` <-[PROGRAM] ` ' me (going towards bed - fast!): /|________/| /__________ ~~~ // / //| / ~~~~~ (flames) ~~~~ |/_/______|//! < (rocket) ~~~~ ~~~~ ~~~~ ~~~~~ |_________|/ \___________ ~~~~ ~~ ~~~ ~~ ! ! \ ~~~ ~~ when? @@@ @@@ @@@@@@ @@@ @@@ @@@ @@@ @@@ @@@ @@@@ @@@ @@@@@@@@ @@@ @@@ @@@ @@@ @@@ @@@ @@!@!@@@ @@! @@@ @@! @@! @@! @@! @@! @@! !@!!@!@! !@! @!@ !@! !@! !@! !@ !@ !@ @!@ !!@! @!@ !@! @!! !!@ @!@ @!@ @!@ @!@ !@! !!! !@! !!! !@! !!! !@! !!! !!! !!! !!: !!! !!: !!! !!: !!: !!: :!: !:! :!: !:! :!: :!: :!: :!: :!: :!: :: :: ::::: :: :::: :: ::: :: :: :: :: : : : : :: : : : ::: ::: ::: -- _@_@_@_@_ ( ) (#########) _(_________)_ here is a cake (with strawberries on it) ___ /\_|___|_ / /LLLLLLL| | |LLLLLLLL| | |LLLLLLLL| \ \LLLLLLL| \/ | | | | | | | | | | | | |###| |###| |###| /###| /LLLL| -- ^ ^ ( @@ )____________________ > "J < ||||||||||''''''''' ||------|| || || -- ____ _______ \__/ /__o %%%\ D W \/ ((_/ %%%%%) | | _||_ \_______/ I I -- O O \ / X X / \ O O _ ,/' (_). ,/' _ :: (_)' `\. `\. _ ,/' (_). ,/' __ :: (__)' `\. `\. 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VA.......:::V: `VMI::..:::VA) `M.Q.Q.Q./..:D `VM:::::D:::D) V(E(E(EIIMD `VMIID)MD) You know TooShy, I think you're right. I haven't posted *nearly* as many pictures as you have to this group! :-) > the only posts i see > from you are flames to ppl! You have been here how long? Since December 1999? That's when I was busy making my advent calendar for 1999. That's a picture a day for 28 days. Excuse me if I rest a little from drawing right now. > You know there is a perfect place for > you...It is called IRC you can bullie, belittle, run into the ground, > discouage, run off, and still have thousands more to pick on! Yeah, it's called Usenet. Your friend JRO seems to have found it quite useful for exactly those purposes. > Why pick on a small news group trying to promote ascii art! I don't recall "picking on" this newsgroup at all. I do recall getting long rants, containing personal insults directed at me, as replies to a simple comment. > I find anyone attempting to do any kind of art is great! Thank you. :-) > Yes I am a IRC ascii+ansi artist I have been for years...so most of my > pic's I have used alt charcters...so when i convert them to go on this > news group out of all the alt charters i have removed and replaced > some might slip by! trust me I look very hard!! Instead of looking very hard, why not try that little proggie I have suggested to you a few times. If you have a "bad" character in your picture the program will "stop" when it gets to that character. That's what I used to determine if your posts contained "bad ones" or not... Here's the URL again: http://www.ludd.luth.se/~vk/cgi/ASCII-to-HTML/ It's a simple matter of letting the comptuer do the dirty-work for you. > so I wont get one of > your.."sigh" you did it again posts...Lets start seeing YOUR art since > you fancy yourself as a ar-teest to everyone... (see above... is that enough for you?) > i would really enjoy > seeing it! Please in the future do not mention my name in any of your > flames I want nothing to do with your criticism of ppl that are > creating! > Excuse me, but I think you have the who-flamed-who thing backwards in this case. Here's a picture just for you: your name mentioned in one of my flames: ) / `. .' \ / `. J L | TooShy | | | J F \ / .-.-.-.-.. |WWWWWWWW| |/\/\/\/\| | | | | | | VK | | And this is because you *have* made at least 15 posts with non-ascii characters in them. :-) -- (, http://www.ludd.luth.se/~vk/cgi/asciichat/ /|__--__ . __--__ |\ '__ /|\ _{ _ `.' / `.,_ _________ | _________ _,.' (/ `. / ||``._.' ASCII ART CHAT! `---'|:||,/ .' /| /|:| \ .' /\ \ __ __ _ `/|'\' ` `,/ /`,\ \ \ / /__ _ _ ___ _ _ (_)__ __ _ /,'\ \ .'.' /| \ V / -_) '_/ _ \ ' \| / _/ _` | |\ `.`. ,' / / | \_/\___|_| \___/_||_|_\__\__,_| | \ \ `, - `- -- `-'- -ejm-------------------------------------VK-- -`-' -- -' - ###### From: Przemyslaw Brojewski Newsgroups: alt.ascii-art Subject: Re: So, You Want To Make Text Art? Date: 9 Jan 2000 22:14:46 GMT Organization: KIS - Katedra Informatyki Stosowanej Lines: 9 Message-ID: <85b18m$27i$1@kujawiak.man.lodz.pl> References: <8404ni$bve$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <386C9520.5C2E@earthling.net> <386e673e.0@206.103.97.91> <386EA280.25F9@earthling.net> <386F0346.9AB412B7@gtcom.net> <386F08E6.7BB1@earthling.net> <386f48ac.0@206.103.97.91> <386F7294.7C46@earthling.net> <84p7pi$gej$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <38715D23.2966@earthling.net> <3871cf61.0@206.103.97.91> <38720039.1100@earthling.net> <3877863f.3348065@news.teleport.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: zly.kis.p.lodz.pl X-Trace: kujawiak.man.lodz.pl 947456086 2290 212.51.216.2 (9 Jan 2000 22:14:46 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@man.lodz.pl NNTP-Posting-Date: 9 Jan 2000 22:14:46 GMT User-Agent: tin/1.4.1-19991201 ("Polish") (UNIX) (SunOS/5.7 (i86pc)) Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news-fra1.dfn.de!news.man.poznan.pl!news.man.lodz.pl!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.ascii-art:7559 TooShy wrote: : from you are flames to ppl! You know there is a perfect place for : you...It is called IRC you can bullie, belittle, run into the ground, IRC is certainly not a place for such a behavior, stay off it, TooShy. If you want to behave like this, do it in you own home. That's the only place suitable. brojek. ###### From: "JRO" Newsgroups: alt.ascii-art References: <8404ni$bve$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <386C9520.5C2E@earthling.net> <386e673e.0@206.103.97.91> <386EA280.25F9@earthling.net> <386F0346.9AB412B7@gtcom.net> <386F08E6.7BB1@earthling.net> <386f48ac.0@206.103.97.91> <386F7294.7C46@earthling.net> <84p7pi$gej$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <38715D23.2966@earthling.net> <3871cf61.0@206.103.97.91> <38720039.1100@earthling.net> <3877863f.3348065@news.teleport.com> <85b18m$27i$1@kujawiak.man.lodz.pl> <85c1be$joj$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <85c74u$cdm$1@kujawiak.man.lodz.pl> Subject: Re: So, You Want To Make Text Art? Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 04:07:18 -0600 Lines: 36 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.226.27.51 Message-ID: <3879acc5.0@206.103.97.91> X-Trace: 10 Jan 2000 03:56:21 -0600, 216.226.27.51 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newsfeeds.belnet.be!news.belnet.be!newsfeed.icl.net!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!gxn.net!news.good.net!206.103.97.91!216.226.27.51 Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.ascii-art:7580 Przemyslaw Brojewski wrote in message news:85c74u$cdm$1@kujawiak.man.lodz.pl... > TooShy wrote: > : In article <85b18m$27i$1@kujawiak.man.lodz.pl>, > : Przemyslaw Brojewski wrote: > :> TooShy wrote: > :> : from you are flames to ppl! You know there is a perfect place for > :> : you...It is called IRC you can bullie, belittle, run into the > : ground, > :> > :> IRC is certainly not a place for such a behavior, stay off it, > :> TooShy. If you want to behave like this, do it in you own home. > :> That's the only place suitable. > :> > :> brojek. > :> > : Better reread that...I was Telling Veronica that is the place she > : needs to be! And to not do it here! > > TooShy, I don't like your idea of "go troll on IRC", > regardless of who the troll would be. > > brojek. Dear Bro, You is rite. The eye-are-cee seems to haff enuff trolls onit, alreddy. No need to add ol' Veronika. That ol' TooShy gal is wikked, in tryin' to add woe to them chatnets. Bad, bad gurl. JRO ###### From: Lambda Newsgroups: alt.ascii-art Subject: Re: So, You Want To Make Text Art? Message-ID: References: <8404ni$bve$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <386C9520.5C2E@earthling.net> <386e673e.0@206.103.97.91> <386EA280.25F9@earthling.net> <386F0346.9AB412B7@gtcom.net> <386F08E6.7BB1@earthling.net> <386f48ac.0@206.103.97.91> <386F7294.7C46@earthling.net> <84p7pi$gej$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <38715D23.2966@earthling.net> <3871cf61.0@206.103.97.91> <38720039.1100@earthling.net> <3877863f.3348065@news.teleport.com> <387A1B0C.5D41@earthling.net> <387A2BBA.4AB7@earthling.net> Organization: UDUSS - http://uduss.cjb.net | insipid - http://insipid.cjb.net X-Newsreader: MicroPlanet Gravity v2.20 X-Is-Paranoid: yes X-No-Archive: yes Lines: 16 Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 21:18:39 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.43.214.36 X-Complaints-To: abuse@freesurf.fr X-Trace: nnrp3.clara.net 947539119 212.43.214.36 (Mon, 10 Jan 2000 21:18:39 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 21:18:39 GMT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newscore.univie.ac.at!newsfeed1.uni2.dk!newsfeed.tli.de!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.icl.net!colt.net!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!nnrp3.clara.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.ascii-art:7572 [Mon, 10 Jan 2000 19:58:02 +0100] Veronica Karlsson (acinorev@earthling.net) posted <387A2BBA.4AB7@earthling.net> in alt.ascii-art : > My guess would be that those who care about such things have set their > newsreaders to not download posts above a certain size... I'm one of them and until then I didn't bother filtering non-binary groups. Thanks for being the origin of a new filter in my nr configuration. I'll call this rule "Veronica". -- Lambda | Ultra Discreet Underground Secret Society http://insipid.cjb.net | http://www.uduss.cjb.net lambda@insipid.cjb.net | member #000001 - 000001@uduss.cjb.net _________________________________________________________________________ -You may also notice a laxative effect. ###### From: David Riley Newsgroups: alt.ascii-art Subject: Re: So, You Want To Make Text Art? Date: 11 Jan 2000 05:52:09 +0000 Organization: None Message-ID: References: <8404ni$bve$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <386C9520.5C2E@earthling.net> <386e673e.0@206.103.97.91> <386EA280.25F9@earthling.net> <386F0346.9AB412B7@gtcom.net> <386F08E6.7BB1@earthling.net> <386f48ac.0@206.103.97.91> <386F7294.7C46@earthling.net> <84p7pi$gej$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <38715D23.2966@earthling.net> <3871cf61.0@206.103.97.91> <38720039.1100@earthling.net> <3877863f.3348065@news.teleport.com> <387A1B0C.5D41@earthling.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: dmriley.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: dmriley.demon.co.uk:194.222.183.234 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 947575577 nnrp-11:17333 NO-IDENT dmriley.demon.co.uk:194.222.183.234 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 11 Jan 2000 05:52:09 GMT X-Newsreader: Gnus v5.5/Emacs 20.3 Lines: 19 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!News.Amsterdam.UnisourceCS!newshunter!cosy.sbg.ac.at!newsfeed.Austria.EU.net!nmaster.kpnqwest.net!npeer.kpnqwest.net!blackbush.xlink.net!news-MUC.ecrc.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!dmriley.demon.co.uk!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.ascii-art:7565 djwilson@iinet.net.au (Doug & Jaana Wilson) writes: > 4713 lines in a single post. All of which was on topic, entertaining and relevent to the current discussion. [snip] > Some of the members of this group do have to pay for the time > and megabytes we download. I am quite happy to download long on topic articles. If you are not, perhaps you should configure your software appropriately, rather than expecting everyone else to stick to your standards. -- ObAscii: No such file or directory Core Dumped ###### From: alfie@innocent.com (Gerfried Fuchs) Newsgroups: alt.ascii-art Subject: Re: So, You Want To Make Text Art? Date: 11 Jan 2000 11:30:08 GMT Organization: Siemens AG Austria Lines: 40 Message-ID: References: <8404ni$bve$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <386C9520.5C2E@earthling.net> <386e673e.0@206.103.97.91> <386EA280.25F9@earthling.net> <386F0346.9AB412B7@gtcom.net> <386F08E6.7BB1@earthling.net> <386f48ac.0@206.103.97.91> <386F7294.7C46@earthling.net> <84p7pi$gej$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <38715D23.2966@earthling.net> <3871cf61.0@206.103.97.91> <84tcrr$43s$1@kujawiak.man.lodz.pl> <851umk$ptv$1@tron.sci.fi> NNTP-Posting-Host: pc9601.sie.siemens.at X-Trace: scesie13.sie.siemens.at 947590208 11706 195.1.135.123 (11 Jan 2000 11:30:08 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news@siemens.at NNTP-Posting-Date: 11 Jan 2000 11:30:08 GMT User-Agent: slrn/0.9.5.7 (Windows) Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!News.Amsterdam.UnisourceCS!newshunter!cosy.sbg.ac.at!newsfeed.Austria.EU.net!news.siemens.at!alfie Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.ascii-art:7582 Ilmari Karonen wrote: > : [4 Jan 2000 18:06:51 GMT] Przemyslaw Brojewski (brojek@kis.p.lodz.pl) > : posted <84tcrr$43s$1@kujawiak.man.lodz.pl> in alt.ascii-art : > : > Here's the boring chart how many of them used what software: > : > > : > 12 Microsoft Outlook Express > : > 11 Mozilla > : > 5 Forte Free Agent > : > 4 Forte Agent > : > 2 tin > : > 1 postit.pl > : > 1 fart > : > 1 Turnpike > : > 1 Supernews > : > 1 MicroPlanet Gravity > : ^^^ > : Hey! That's me! That's me! *proud* > > : > 1 MT-NewsWatcher > : > 1 Deja.com > > And that odd "postit.pl" up there is my very own Perl script. I'm actually > using TIN to _read_ this group, but I hacked together that script to let > me do things like these funny addresses of mine. Well, "my" slrn is left off for I was on holidays *sigh* But hey, fart sounds like a great agent - anyone has an URL for that? *smirks* I also would think that grouping Forte Agent and Forte Free Agent wouldn't be a bad idea.... One more think - noone is using Gnu's here? *evilgrin* GOOOD! *ducksfromVK* Have fun. -- Gerfried Fuchs ###### From: alfie@innocent.com (Gerfried Fuchs) Newsgroups: alt.ascii-art Subject: Re: So, You Want To Make Text Art? Date: 11 Jan 2000 12:20:22 GMT Organization: Siemens AG Austria Lines: 36 Message-ID: References: <8404ni$bve$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <386C9520.5C2E@earthling.net> <386e673e.0@206.103.97.91> <386EA280.25F9@earthling.net> <386F0346.9AB412B7@gtcom.net> <386F08E6.7BB1@earthling.net> <386f48ac.0@206.103.97.91> <386F7294.7C46@earthling.net> <84p7pi$gej$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <38715D23.2966@earthling.net> <3871cf61.0@206.103.97.91> <38720039.1100@earthling.net> <3877863f.3348065@news.teleport.com> <387A1B0C.5D41@earthling.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: pc9601.sie.siemens.at X-Trace: scesie13.sie.siemens.at 947593222 12678 195.1.135.123 (11 Jan 2000 12:20:22 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news@siemens.at NNTP-Posting-Date: 11 Jan 2000 12:20:22 GMT User-Agent: slrn/0.9.5.7 (Windows) Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!News.Amsterdam.UnisourceCS!newshunter!cosy.sbg.ac.at!newsfeed.Austria.EU.net!news.siemens.at!alfie Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.ascii-art:7584 David Riley wrote: > djwilson@iinet.net.au (Doug & Jaana Wilson) writes: > > > 4713 lines in a single post. Actually, it were 4731 - 20 less and it would have been great for your nose, too ;) > All of which was on topic, entertaining and relevent to the > current discussion. ACK! There were some really great stuff in it - I especially loved the man jumping on the tv-set *giggle* > > Some of the members of this group do have to pay for the time > > and megabytes we download. That's exactly why newsreaders normally only download the headers and present you those first. If you like to download the message is up to you. Don't blame vk for your newsreader. > I am quite happy to download long on topic articles. If you are > not, perhaps you should configure your software appropriately, > rather than expecting everyone else to stick to your standards. Totally ACK! If you would use a common newsreader I might have had a sugguestion for you to how spot big messages. But sorry, I never heared of the agent you are using before, so I just can you sugguest to get one, that does that for you (like e.g. [1]). Have fun! [1] -- Gerfried Fuchs ###### From: Veronica Karlsson Newsgroups: alt.ascii-art Subject: Re: So, You Want To Make Text Art? Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 19:58:02 +0100 Lines: 22 Message-ID: <387A2BBA.4AB7@earthling.net> References: <8404ni$bve$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <386C9520.5C2E@earthling.net> <386e673e.0@206.103.97.91> <386EA280.25F9@earthling.net> <386F0346.9AB412B7@gtcom.net> <386F08E6.7BB1@earthling.net> <386f48ac.0@206.103.97.91> <386F7294.7C46@earthling.net> <84p7pi$gej$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <38715D23.2966@earthling.net> <3871cf61.0@206.103.97.91> <38720039.1100@earthling.net> <3877863f.3348065@news.teleport.com> <387A1B0C.5D41@earthling.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: lambda65.sm.luth.se Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (X11; I; SunOS 5.7 sun4u) Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newsfeeds.belnet.be!news.belnet.be!news-FFM2.ecrc.net!newsfeed.nacamar.de!newsfeed.tli.de!newsfeed1.uni2.dk!uio.no!news.kth.se!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.ascii-art:7537 Doug & Jaana Wilson wrote: > 4713 lines in a single post. Quit being absolutly infantile Veronica. Some > of the members of this group do have to pay for the time and megabytes we > download. I'm not one of them but they are out there. > My guess would be that those who care about such things have set their newsreaders to not download posts above a certain size... -- (, http://www.ludd.luth.se/~vk/cgi/asciichat/ /|__--__ . __--__ |\ '__ /|\ _{ _ `.' / `.,_ _________ | _________ _,.' (/ `. / ||``._.' ASCII ART CHAT! `---'|:||,/ .' /| /|:| \ .' /\ \ __ __ _ `/|'\' ` `,/ /`,\ \ \ / /__ _ _ ___ _ _ (_)__ __ _ /,'\ \ .'.' /| \ V / -_) '_/ _ \ ' \| / _/ _` | |\ `.`. ,' / / | \_/\___|_| \___/_||_|_\__\__,_| | \ \ `, - `- -- `-'- -ejm-------------------------------------VK-- -`-' -- -' - ###### From: TooShy Newsgroups: alt.ascii-art Subject: Re: So, You Want To Make Text Art? Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 07:22:31 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 19 Message-ID: <85c1be$joj$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <8404ni$bve$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <386C9520.5C2E@earthling.net> <386e673e.0@206.103.97.91> <386EA280.25F9@earthling.net> <386F0346.9AB412B7@gtcom.net> <386F08E6.7BB1@earthling.net> <386f48ac.0@206.103.97.91> <386F7294.7C46@earthling.net> <84p7pi$gej$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <38715D23.2966@earthling.net> <3871cf61.0@206.103.97.91> <38720039.1100@earthling.net> <3877863f.3348065@news.teleport.com> <85b18m$27i$1@kujawiak.man.lodz.pl> NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.26.4.152 X-Article-Creation-Date: Mon Jan 10 07:22:31 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/3.04Gold (Win95; U) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x29.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 216.26.4.152 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDtooshy Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newsfeeds.belnet.be!news.belnet.be!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.ascii-art:7541 In article <85b18m$27i$1@kujawiak.man.lodz.pl>, Przemyslaw Brojewski wrote: > TooShy wrote: > : from you are flames to ppl! You know there is a perfect place for > : you...It is called IRC you can bullie, belittle, run into the ground, > > IRC is certainly not a place for such a behavior, stay off it, > TooShy. If you want to behave like this, do it in you own home. > That's the only place suitable. > > brojek. > Better reread that...I was Telling Veronica that is the place she needs to be! And to not do it here! Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. ###### From: djwilson@iinet.net.au (Doug & Jaana Wilson) Newsgroups: alt.ascii-art Subject: Re: So, You Want To Make Text Art? Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2000 02:41:51 +0800 Organization: DJ Grafix & Design Lines: 32 Approved: mountain@dew.rules Message-ID: References: <8404ni$bve$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <386C9520.5C2E@earthling.net> <386e673e.0@206.103.97.91> <386EA280.25F9@earthling.net> <386F0346.9AB412B7@gtcom.net> <386F08E6.7BB1@earthling.net> <386f48ac.0@206.103.97.91> <386F7294.7C46@earthling.net> <84p7pi$gej$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <38715D23.2966@earthling.net> <3871cf61.0@206.103.97.91> <38720039.1100@earthling.net> <3877863f.3348065@news.teleport.com> <387A1B0C.5D41@earthling.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: perax2-100.dialup.optusnet.com.au X-Trace: news1.mpx.com.au 947529726 20665 198.142.195.100 (10 Jan 2000 18:42:06 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@mpx.com.au NNTP-Posting-Date: 10 Jan 2000 18:42:06 GMT X-Newsreader: MT-NewsWatcher 2.4.4 X-Face: ">Mdu/=]i36m@5uhcyBtp*.[Tf4(5{Qg%B.{IrmhU0eRQoNIG`9K-YCZ:L@8< )0F/S7#<;0-{GuJYig,[&wb[s"AG, Veronica Karlsson wrote: > TooShy wrote: > > Veronica Karlsson wrote: > > >JRO wrote: > > >> I don't know of anyone who has kept posting non-standard characters 15 > > >> times. > > > > > >Sarah Day? TooShy? > > > > > Veronica Karlsson what is it with you? show me 15 posts where i have > > used alt charcters!!! > > (see post from yesterday) > > (I just noticed that this post contained a bunch of silliness from TooShy > that I don't mind answering right now...) > > > I have posted more art here than it seems you > > have in alllll the years you have been here.... > > You have made 72 posts to this group (according to Deja). Lets see > if I can come up with that many pictures of mine... (most of which have > been posted here before) 4713 lines in a single post. Quit being absolutly infantile Veronica. Some of the members of this group do have to pay for the time and megabytes we download. I'm not one of them but they are out there. -- Zen Master to hotdog vendor: "Make me one with everything." ###### From: CJRandall Newsgroups: alt.ascii-art Subject: Re: So, You Want To Make Text Art? Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2000 00:10:33 +0000 Organization: me? organised? Message-ID: References: <386F0346.9AB412B7@gtcom.net> <386F08E6.7BB1@earthling.net> <386f48ac.0@206.103.97.91> <386F7294.7C46@earthling.net> <84p7pi$gej$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <38715D23.2966@earthling.net> <3871cf61.0@206.103.97.91> <84tcrr$43s$1@kujawiak.man.lodz.pl> <38741b52@news> <38769109@news> <38786cb8.0@206.103.97.91> <38793a01@news> NNTP-Posting-Host: shieldwolf.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: shieldwolf.demon.co.uk:193.237.26.148 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 947632274 nnrp-14:28405 NO-IDENT shieldwolf.demon.co.uk:193.237.26.148 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike (32) Trial Version 4.01 Lines: 35 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newsfeeds.belnet.be!news.belnet.be!robin.server.COLT.NET!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!shieldwolf.demon.co.uk!colin Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.ascii-art:7658 Amykate writes > > illllli > il `V' li > l e e l .-'"'-. > C ^ D ((((()))) > `. = .' ()a a() > .---)`-'(---. `( ._. )' > / U \ ___) (__ > ( v v ) \______/ \ > | | : | |( )( ) \ > | | : | | | |\ \ > >People aren't my best thing, but I think you came out pretty handsome. > >Amy"procrastinating on the new sig"kate [][ hi ... lovely pic Amykate )\ ( \ _) \ /'\ \ \ / \ /^\ \ 9jan0 [][ see yuz [][ colin -- . /\_/\ ( () |_ | |\| _/ |? .\ |\| |) .\ |_ |_ :( a a( CJRandall http://www.shieldwolf.demon.co.uk ' \___") <> ###### From: alfie@innocent.com (Gerfried Fuchs) Newsgroups: alt.ascii-art Subject: Re: So, You Want To Make Text Art? Date: 12 Jan 2000 08:01:09 GMT Organization: Vienna University of Technology, Austria Lines: 12 Message-ID: References: <8404ni$bve$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <386C9520.5C2E@earthling.net> <386e673e.0@206.103.97.91> <386EA280.25F9@earthling.net> <386F0346.9AB412B7@gtcom.net> <386F08E6.7BB1@earthling.net> <386f48ac.0@206.103.97.91> <386F7294.7C46@earthling.net> <84p7pi$gej$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <387494AA.3027@earthling.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: skater.htu.tuwien.ac.at X-newsgroup: alt.ascii-art User-Agent: slrn/0.9.6.0 (Linux) Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newsfeeds.belnet.be!news.belnet.be!news-FFM2.ecrc.net!news-MUC.ecrc.net!newscore.univie.ac.at!aconews.univie.ac.at!news.tuwien.ac.at!alfie Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.ascii-art:7600 On Thu, 06 Jan 2000, Veronica Karlsson wrote: > > I must admit that I haven't seen the FAQ yet > > http://studserv.stud.uni-hannover.de/~freise/ascii/faq.html You are too funny, Veronica ;-)) Of cause I meant the one the thread is all about *smirks* So long! Alfie -- Health is merely the slowest possible rate at which one can die. ###### From: Veronica Karlsson Newsgroups: alt.ascii-art Subject: Re: So, You Want To Make Text Art? Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 09:31:10 +0100 Lines: 25 Message-ID: <387C3BCE.5D42@earthling.net> References: <8404ni$bve$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <386C9520.5C2E@earthling.net> <386e673e.0@206.103.97.91> <386EA280.25F9@earthling.net> <386F0346.9AB412B7@gtcom.net> <386F08E6.7BB1@earthling.net> <386f48ac.0@206.103.97.91> <386F7294.7C46@earthling.net> <84p7pi$gej$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <387494AA.3027@earthling.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: lambda79.sm.luth.se Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (X11; I; SunOS 5.7 sun4u) Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!feed2.news.luth.se!luth.se!uio.no!news.kth.se!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.ascii-art:7604 Gerfried Fuchs wrote: > Veronica Karlsson wrote: > > > I must admit that I haven't seen the FAQ yet > > > > http://studserv.stud.uni-hannover.de/~freise/ascii/faq.html > > You are too funny, Veronica ;-)) Of cause I meant the one the thread > is all about *smirks* > That *is* "the one the thread is all about". -- (, http://www.ludd.luth.se/~vk/cgi/asciichat/ /|__--__ . __--__ |\ '__ /|\ _{ _ `.' / `.,_ _________ | _________ _,.' (/ `. / ||``._.' ASCII ART CHAT! `---'|:||,/ .' /| /|:| \ .' /\ \ __ __ _ `/|'\' ` `,/ /`,\ \ \ / /__ _ _ ___ _ _ (_)__ __ _ /,'\ \ .'.' /| \ V / -_) '_/ _ \ ' \| / _/ _` | |\ `.`. ,' / / | \_/\___|_| \___/_||_|_\__\__,_| | \ \ `, - `- -- `-'- -ejm-------------------------------------VK-- -`-' -- -' - ###### From: Veronica Karlsson Newsgroups: alt.ascii-art Subject: Re: So, You Want To Make Text Art? Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 10:32:19 +0100 Lines: 33 Message-ID: <387C4A23.1E65@earthling.net> References: <8404ni$bve$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <386C9520.5C2E@earthling.net> <386e673e.0@206.103.97.91> <386EA280.25F9@earthling.net> <386F0346.9AB412B7@gtcom.net> <386F08E6.7BB1@earthling.net> <386f48ac.0@206.103.97.91> <386F7294.7C46@earthling.net> <84p7pi$gej$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <38715D23.2966@earthling.net> <3871cf61.0@206.103.97.91> <38720039.1100@earthling.net> <3877863f.3348065@news.teleport.com> <387A1B0C.5D41@earthling.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: lambda79.sm.luth.se Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (X11; I; SunOS 5.7 sun4u) Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!isdnet!newsfeed.icl.net!news.algonet.se!algonet!uninett.no!Norway.EU.net!uio.no!news.kth.se!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.ascii-art:7601 Veronica Karlsson wrote: >Instead of looking very hard, why not try that little proggie I have >suggested to you a few times. If you have a "bad" character in your >picture the program will "stop" when it gets to that character. That's >what I used to determine if your posts contained "bad ones" or not... > >Here's the URL again: > >http://www.ludd.luth.se/~vk/cgi/ASCII-to-HTML/ > >It's a simple matter of letting the comptuer do the dirty-work for you. Or try my new "ASCII purity test": http://www.ludd.luth.se/~vk/cgi/ASCII-purity/ Yes TooShy, I made this one just for you! Oh, and one more thing: TooShy! TooShy! TooShy! :-) -- (, http://www.ludd.luth.se/~vk/cgi/asciichat/ /|__--__ . __--__ |\ '__ /|\ _{ _ `.' / `.,_ _________ | _________ _,.' (/ `. / ||``._.' ASCII ART CHAT! `---'|:||,/ .' /| /|:| \ .' /\ \ __ __ _ `/|'\' ` `,/ /`,\ \ \ / /__ _ _ ___ _ _ (_)__ __ _ /,'\ \ .'.' /| \ V / -_) '_/ _ \ ' \| / _/ _` | |\ `.`. ,' / / | \_/\___|_| \___/_||_|_\__\__,_| | \ \ `, - `- -- `-'- -ejm-------------------------------------VK-- -`-' -- -' - ###### From: Przemyslaw Brojewski Newsgroups: alt.ascii-art Subject: Re: So, You Want To Make Text Art? Date: 12 Jan 2000 15:30:10 GMT Organization: KIS - Katedra Informatyki Stosowanej Lines: 31 Message-ID: <85i6m2$kd2$1@kujawiak.man.lodz.pl> References: <8404ni$bve$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <386C9520.5C2E@earthling.net> <386e673e.0@206.103.97.91> <386EA280.25F9@earthling.net> <386F0346.9AB412B7@gtcom.net> <386F08E6.7BB1@earthling.net> <386f48ac.0@206.103.97.91> <386F7294.7C46@earthling.net> <84p7pi$gej$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <38715D23.2966@earthling.net> <3871cf61.0@206.103.97.91> <84tcrr$43s$1@kujawiak.man.lodz.pl> <851umk$ptv$1@tron.sci.fi> NNTP-Posting-Host: zly.kis.p.lodz.pl X-Trace: kujawiak.man.lodz.pl 947691010 20898 212.51.216.2 (12 Jan 2000 15:30:10 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@man.lodz.pl NNTP-Posting-Date: 12 Jan 2000 15:30:10 GMT User-Agent: tin/1.4.1-19991201 ("Polish") (UNIX) (SunOS/5.7 (i86pc)) Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news-fra1.dfn.de!news.man.poznan.pl!news.man.lodz.pl!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.ascii-art:7624 Gerfried Fuchs wrote: : Ilmari Karonen wrote: :> : [4 Jan 2000 18:06:51 GMT] Przemyslaw Brojewski (brojek@kis.p.lodz.pl) :> : posted <84tcrr$43s$1@kujawiak.man.lodz.pl> in alt.ascii-art : :> : > Here's the boring chart how many of them used what software: :> : > :> : > 12 Microsoft Outlook Express :> : > 11 Mozilla :> : > 5 Forte Free Agent :> : > 4 Forte Agent :> : > 2 tin :> : > 1 postit.pl :> : > 1 fart :> : > 1 Turnpike :> : > 1 Supernews :> : > 1 MicroPlanet Gravity :> : > 1 MT-NewsWatcher :> : > 1 Deja.com : Well, "my" slrn is left off for I was on holidays *sigh* But hey, fart : sounds like a great agent - anyone has an URL for that? *smirks* : I also would think that grouping Forte Agent and Forte Free Agent : wouldn't be a bad idea.... I think fart is the sime kind of thing as postit.pl - a self-made script. I refrained from groupping together Forte Agent nad Forte free Agent -- they introduce themselves differently for some reason, i think. brojek. ###### From: mikechatremove@best.com (MJP) Newsgroups: alt.ascii-art Subject: Re: So, You Want To Make Text Art? Date: 12 Jan 2000 10:39:31 EST Organization: Concentric Internet Services Lines: 40 Message-ID: <387b4f2e.5766105@news.concentric.net> References: <8404ni$bve$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <386C9520.5C2E@earthling.net> <386e673e.0@206.103.97.91> <386EA280.25F9@earthling.net> <386F0346.9AB412B7@gtcom.net> <386F08E6.7BB1@earthling.net> <386f48ac.0@206.103.97.91> <386F7294.7C46@earthling.net> <84p7pi$gej$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <38715D23.2966@earthling.net> <3871cf61.0@206.103.97.91> <38720039.1100@earthling.net> <3877863f.3348065@news.teleport.com> <387A1B0C.5D41@earthling.net> <387C4A23.1E65@earthling.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.220.139.117 X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!enews.sgi.com!paloalto-snf1.gtei.net!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newsfeed.concentric.net!global-news-master Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.ascii-art:7626 On Wed, 12 Jan 2000 10:32:19 +0100, Veronica Karlsson wrote: >> >>http://www.ludd.luth.se/~vk/cgi/ASCII-to-HTML/ >> > >http://www.ludd.luth.se/~vk/cgi/ASCII-purity/ > >Yes TooShy, I made this one just for you! > > >Oh, and one more thing: TooShy! TooShy! TooShy! :-) > >-- > (, http://www.ludd.luth.se/~vk/cgi/asciichat/ > /|__--__ . __--__ > |\ '__ /|\ _{ _ > `.' / `.,_ _________ | _________ _,.' (/ `. > / ||``._.' ASCII ART CHAT! `---'|:||,/ > .' /| /|:| \ >..' /\ \ __ __ _ `/|'\' > ` `,/ /`,\ \ \ / /__ _ _ ___ _ _ (_)__ __ _ /,'\ \ > .'.' /| \ V / -_) '_/ _ \ ' \| / _/ _` | |\ `.`. > ,' / / | \_/\___|_| \___/_||_|_\__\__,_| | \ \ `, >- `- -- `-'- -ejm-------------------------------------VK-- -`-' -- -' - looks like you are fishing for a new fight __.-~---_ mikechat __)/ > O ( @ ) / /|\ )" best.com ) | ^ ^ ^| )_\ ^ ^ ( )\ ^ ^ \ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~ ~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~ ~~~MJP~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~ ###### From: Veronica Karlsson Newsgroups: alt.ascii-art Subject: Re: So, You Want To Make Text Art? Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 17:38:12 +0100 Lines: 29 Message-ID: <387CADF4.2ECB@earthling.net> References: <8404ni$bve$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <386C9520.5C2E@earthling.net> <386e673e.0@206.103.97.91> <386EA280.25F9@earthling.net> <386F0346.9AB412B7@gtcom.net> <386F08E6.7BB1@earthling.net> <386f48ac.0@206.103.97.91> <386F7294.7C46@earthling.net> <84p7pi$gej$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <38715D23.2966@earthling.net> <3871cf61.0@206.103.97.91> <38720039.1100@earthling.net> <3877863f.3348065@news.teleport.com> <387A1B0C.5D41@earthling.net> <387C4A23.1E65@earthling.net> <387b4f2e.5766105@news.concentric.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: lambda79.sm.luth.se Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (X11; I; SunOS 5.7 sun4u) Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!isdnet!newsfeed.tli.de!newsfeed1.uni2.dk!uio.no!news.kth.se!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.ascii-art:7607 MJP wrote: > Veronica Karlsson wrote: > > > >http://www.ludd.luth.se/~vk/cgi/ASCII-purity/ > > > >Yes TooShy, I made this one just for you! > > > >Oh, and one more thing: TooShy! TooShy! TooShy! :-) > > > > looks like you are fishing for a new fight > No, just teasing TooShy a little. The program is exactly what it claims to be. :-) -- (, http://www.ludd.luth.se/~vk/cgi/asciichat/ /|__--__ . __--__ |\ '__ /|\ _{ _ `.' / `.,_ _________ | _________ _,.' (/ `. / ||``._.' ASCII ART CHAT! `---'|:||,/ .' /| /|:| \ .' /\ \ __ __ _ `/|'\' ` `,/ /`,\ \ \ / /__ _ _ ___ _ _ (_)__ __ _ /,'\ \ .'.' /| \ V / -_) '_/ _ \ ' \| / _/ _` | |\ `.`. ,' / / | \_/\___|_| \___/_||_|_\__\__,_| | \ \ `, - `- -- `-'- -ejm-------------------------------------VK-- -`-' -- -' - ###### From: zneg.ngxvaf@ovtsbbg.pbz (Martin Atkins) Newsgroups: alt.ascii-art Subject: Re: So, You Want To Make Text Art? Reply-To: zneg.ngxvaf@ovtsbbg.pbz Message-ID: <387b99ef.14020803@news.vossnet.net> References: <8404ni$bve$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <386C9520.5C2E@earthling.net> <386e673e.0@206.103.97.91> <386EA280.25F9@earthling.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 X-NNTP-Posting-Host: pool-127.vossnet.co.uk Lines: 31 Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 20:40:12 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.188.10.3 X-Complaints-To: abuse@cableinet.net X-Trace: news3.cableinet.net 947709566 195.188.10.3 (Wed, 12 Jan 2000 20:39:26 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 20:39:26 GMT Organization: Cable Internet (post doesn't reflect views of Cable Internet) Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newsfeeds.belnet.be!news.belnet.be!colt.net!diablo.theplanet.net!newsfeed.ision.net!ision!news5.cableinet.net!news-hub.cableinet.net!news3.cableinet.net!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.ascii-art:7709 .----- On Sun, 02 Jan 2000 01:57:36 +0100, Veronica Karlsson posted: | |Lets see what Joan's link list says: | |http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/2695/links.htm | |Personal Exhibits | |Joris Bellenger French keyboard? |Armando Franzao Portugese keyboard? |Veronica Karlsson Swedish keyboard. |Maija Finnish keyboard? |Dariusz Sieradzki Polish keyboard? |Valery Silivanov Russian keyboard? |Lennert Stock Dutch keyboard? |Theo van Eck Dutch keyboard? |Hayley Jane Wakenshaw Dutch keyboard? | |(That's just the ones I know where they live, and who have homepages.) | '--------------------------- To interject here, by British keyboard has a non-ascii British Pound (currency) sign on Shift+3. (is interject even a word? ) Kind Regards, -Martin |\/| _..__|_o._ /\_|_| o._ _ mart.atkins@-- | |(_|| |_|| | /--\|_|<|| |_> --bigfoot.com ###### From: zneg.ngxvaf@ovtsbbg.pbz (Martin Atkins) Newsgroups: alt.ascii-art Subject: Re: So, You Want To Make Text Art? Reply-To: zneg.ngxvaf@ovtsbbg.pbz Message-ID: <387bae4b.19233264@news.vossnet.net> References: <8404ni$bve$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <386C9520.5C2E@earthling.net> <386e673e.0@206.103.97.91> <386EA280.25F9@earthling.net> <386F0346.9AB412B7@gtcom.net> <386F08E6.7BB1@earthling.net> <386f48ac.0@206.103.97.91> <386F7294.7C46@earthling.net> <84p7pi$gej$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <38715D23.2966@earthling.net> <3871cf61.0@206.103.97.91> <84tcrr$43s$1@kujawiak.man.lodz.pl> <38728984.0@206.103.97.91> <38733EF4.7F76@TAKEOUTTHEGARBAGEyahoo.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 X-NNTP-Posting-Host: pool-127.vossnet.co.uk Lines: 44 Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 20:40:13 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.188.10.3 X-Complaints-To: abuse@cableinet.net X-Trace: news3.cableinet.net 947709568 195.188.10.3 (Wed, 12 Jan 2000 20:39:28 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 20:39:28 GMT Organization: Cable Internet (post doesn't reflect views of Cable Internet) Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newsfeeds.belnet.be!news.belnet.be!newsfeed.icl.net!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!baron.netcom.net.uk!netcom.net.uk!news5.cableinet.net!news-hub.cableinet.net!news3.cableinet.net!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.ascii-art:7714 .----- On Wed, 05 Jan 2000 12:54:14 GMT, llizard posted: |Many who HAVE OE5 use another newsreader because of the |limitations of OE5. I have grave doubts that you get e-mail from every |reader of this newsgroup so your statistics cannot be correct. '---------------------------------- Indeed, I use Free Agent for News postings, and Outlook Express (albeit version 4) for Email. Personal Choice. If I have emailed you you will see that the headers show up OE4, while this post shows up Free Agent. If you look *way* *way* back you might even find some of my emails and postings made from Internet Mail and Internet News, precursors to Outlook Express. Fascinating huh? ObASCII... intended only as a pic, not to "get at" anyone... .------------------------------------------------. | Outlook Explode [_][O] [X]| |-------------------------------------------+----| |.-----. .-----. .-----. .-----. .-----. |mga | ||WRITE| |SEND.| | GET | | DEL | |EXIT | | mga| |'-----' '-----' '-----' '-----' '-----' +----| |------------------------------------------------| |Outlook Expl|||From |Subject |Recieved | | - InBox | | | - OutBox |-----------------------------------| | - Sent Item|From: Me To: You | | - Drafts |Subject: yes | | + news.myis|-----------------------------------| | o alt.asc| | | o alt.asc| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |------------------------------------------------| |Ready. [?]| '------------------------------------------------' In fact, I'll refrain from posting the OE-bashing version in the middle of this already pretty-hot arguement. Kind Regards, -Martin |\/| _..__|_o._ /\_|_| o._ _ mart.atkins@-- | |(_|| |_|| | /--\|_|<|| |_> --bigfoot.com ###### From: alfie@innocent.com (Gerfried Fuchs) Newsgroups: alt.ascii-art Subject: Re: So, You Want To Make Text Art? Date: 12 Jan 2000 22:36:36 GMT Organization: Vienna University of Technology, Austria Lines: 23 Message-ID: References: <8404ni$bve$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <386C9520.5C2E@earthling.net> <386e673e.0@206.103.97.91> <386EA280.25F9@earthling.net> <386F0346.9AB412B7@gtcom.net> <386F08E6.7BB1@earthling.net> <386f48ac.0@206.103.97.91> <386F7294.7C46@earthling.net> <84p7pi$gej$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <387494AA.3027@earthling.net> <387C3BCE.5D42@earthling.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: skater.htu.tuwien.ac.at X-newsgroup: alt.ascii-art User-Agent: slrn/0.9.6.0 (Linux) Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newscore.univie.ac.at!aconews.univie.ac.at!news.tuwien.ac.at!alfie Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.ascii-art:7678 On Wed, 12 Jan 2000, Veronica Karlsson wrote: > > > http://studserv.stud.uni-hannover.de/~freise/ascii/faq.html > > That *is* "the one the thread is all about". *scratches* That one isn't done by JRO? It doesn't has any martians in it and it does have a chart right at the top of the page? Sorry, but strangely the start of the thread never happened to be available at my newsserver (or it was expired after the short xmas break I had).... I thought this is all about a FAQ (or tutorial, like JRO in the meantime called it - which I think wouldn't have led to any problem if called like that the first time) done by JRO, or am I just wrong? Alfie [totally puzzled] P.S.: And I also commented on the FAQ at that URL before, that the URL's in the FAQ shouldn't be finished with a . at the end for that makes them still full qualified URL's and might lead to problems with software that is RFC-conform. Strangely with no result *sigh* -- It's no surprise that things are so screwed up: everyone that knows how to run a government is either driving taxicabs or cutting hair. -- George Burns ###### From: Veronica Karlsson Newsgroups: alt.ascii-art Subject: Re: So, You Want To Make Text Art? Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 00:02:17 +0100 Lines: 50 Message-ID: <387D07F9.464B@earthling.net> References: <8404ni$bve$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <386C9520.5C2E@earthling.net> <386e673e.0@206.103.97.91> <386EA280.25F9@earthling.net> <386F0346.9AB412B7@gtcom.net> <386F08E6.7BB1@earthling.net> <386f48ac.0@206.103.97.91> <386F7294.7C46@earthling.net> <84p7pi$gej$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <387494AA.3027@earthling.net> <387C3BCE.5D42@earthling.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: lambda79.sm.luth.se Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (X11; I; SunOS 5.7 sun4u) Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!isdnet!news-MUC.ecrc.net!uio.no!news.kth.se!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.ascii-art:7686 Gerfried Fuchs wrote: > Veronica Karlsson wrote: > > > > http://studserv.stud.uni-hannover.de/~freise/ascii/faq.html > > > > That *is* "the one the thread is all about". > > *scratches* That one isn't done by JRO? No, that's the FAQ. You asked about "the FAQ". I gave the URL to _the FAQ_. That's the FAQ that's been mentioned. JRO made a tutorial, and _criticises_ the FAQ, saying things like "FACKs suck". > Sorry, but > strangely the start of the thread never happened to be available at my > newsserver (or it was expired after the short xmas break I had).... Try Deja... > I thought this is all about a FAQ (or tutorial, like JRO in the > meantime called it - which I think wouldn't have led to any problem if > called like that the first time) done by JRO, or am I just wrong? Again, try Deja. The discussion started with a tutorial. I don't think anybody referred to it as a FAQ. I criticised this tutorial. It contains the "advice" that people should use their keyboards to determine wether something is "pure" ascii or not. JRO responded with criticism of the FAQ. He said it was boring, even insulting, to newbies. > > Alfie [totally puzzled] For the third time: Deja is your friend in situations like this. -- (, http://www.ludd.luth.se/~vk/cgi/asciichat/ /|__--__ . __--__ |\ '__ /|\ _{ _ `.' / `.,_ _________ | _________ _,.' (/ `. / ||``._.' ASCII ART CHAT! `---'|:||,/ .' /| /|:| \ .' /\ \ __ __ _ `/|'\' ` `,/ /`,\ \ \ / /__ _ _ ___ _ _ (_)__ __ _ /,'\ \ .'.' /| \ V / -_) '_/ _ \ ' \| / _/ _` | |\ `.`. ,' / / | \_/\___|_| \___/_||_|_\__\__,_| | \ \ `, - `- -- `-'- -ejm-------------------------------------VK-- -`-' -- -' - ###### From: Ben Norwood Newsgroups: alt.ascii-art Subject: Re: So, You Want To Make Text Art? Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 23:10:11 +0000 Organization: Virtually non-existant - OK? Lines: 63 Message-ID: References: <8404ni$bve$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <386C9520.5C2E@earthling.net> <386e673e.0@206.103.97.91> <386EA280.25F9@earthling.net> <386F0346.9AB412B7@gtcom.net> <386F08E6.7BB1@earthling.net> <386f48ac.0@206.103.97.91> <386F7294.7C46@earthling.net> <84p7pi$gej$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <38715D23.2966@earthling.net> <3871cf61.0@206.103.97.91> <84tcrr$43s$1@kujawiak.man.lodz.pl> <851umk$ptv$1@tron.sci.fi> NNTP-Posting-Host: xena.dcs.aber.ac.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Trace: dyfi.aber.ac.uk 947718656 9856 193.60.15.5 (12 Jan 2000 23:10:56 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@aber.ac.uk NNTP-Posting-Date: 12 Jan 2000 23:10:56 GMT X-Sender: bdn95@xena In-Reply-To: X-No-Archive: Yes Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newsfeeds.belnet.be!news.belnet.be!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!news-MUC.ecrc.net!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!gxn.net!server6.netnews.ja.net!server4.netnews.ja.net!aber!xena!bdn95 Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.ascii-art:7706 One late entry to the poll (well, I *was* 140 miles away from my net connection until Sunday...) > Here's the boring chart how many of them used what software: > > 12 Microsoft Outlook Express > 11 Mozilla > 5 Forte Free Agent > 4 Forte Agent > 2 tin > 1 postit.pl > 1 fart > 1 Turnpike > 1 Supernews > 1 MicroPlanet Gravity 1 Pine 4.21 ( 0 WinVN 0.99.7 ) ^^^-- The newsreader the Uni provides and many ignore (Outlook Express / Mozilla / Pine being the favourites - although there have been several instances on aber.* where Outlook's behaviour has prompted several replies of the [by now infamous] phrase "get a proper newsreader") ObAsciis (100% on-topic): |o , ||\__/ ||__' |""|\_ Stick figure 'reading the news' (in the days before electrickery became common) \ / _V \o ( `. | \\ ( ,'_ _| \""") |"""|`. |_| |""|\_ | | \___,' | Stick figure 'viewing the news' (when the gogglebox was invented) _ o (_> | /\ .^. |/__`;'|___| |""|\|"""""""| Stick figure 'news-grouping' (when USENET was invented) (And yes, I *do* know the chair:table height ratio is ridiculous...) -- Ben Norwood - the (ex-)Mad Biologist From Hell http://www.bigfoot.com/~bdn95/ bdn95 _@/" bigfoot.com ###### From: alfie@innocent.com (Gerfried Fuchs) Newsgroups: alt.ascii-art Subject: Re: So, You Want To Make Text Art? Date: 13 Jan 2000 07:06:31 GMT Organization: Vienna University of Technology, Austria Lines: 34 Message-ID: References: <8404ni$bve$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <386C9520.5C2E@earthling.net> <386e673e.0@206.103.97.91> <386EA280.25F9@earthling.net> <386F0346.9AB412B7@gtcom.net> <386F08E6.7BB1@earthling.net> <386f48ac.0@206.103.97.91> <386F7294.7C46@earthling.net> <84p7pi$gej$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <387494AA.3027@earthling.net> <387C3BCE.5D42@earthling.net> <387D07F9.464B@earthling.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: skater.htu.tuwien.ac.at X-newsgroup: alt.ascii-art User-Agent: slrn/0.9.6.0 (Linux) Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news-fra1.dfn.de!aconews.univie.ac.at!news.tuwien.ac.at!alfie Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.ascii-art:7683 On Thu, 13 Jan 2000, Veronica Karlsson wrote: > Try Deja... You might have guessed - I did. But deja did show me just the replies, I haven't found the tutorial itself. In the meantime JRO was so kind to send it to me. > Again, try Deja. The discussion started with a tutorial. I don't think > anybody referred to it as a FAQ. Then maybe I just misread some bits of the thread. Sorry for that. > I criticised this tutorial. It contains the "advice" that people should > use their keyboards to determine wether something is "pure" ascii or > not. > > JRO responded with criticism of the FAQ. He said it was boring, even > insulting, to newbies. I won't comment on this, another time. It was discussed over and over again and shouldn't be continued again. It wouldn't make any change, either. > For the third time: Deja is your friend in situations like this. It wasn't, in this situation. So long! Alfie -- Arnold's Laws of Documentation: (1) If it should exist, it doesn't. (2) If it does exist, it's out of date. (3) Only documentation for useless programs transcends the first two laws. ###### From: Veronica Karlsson Newsgroups: alt.ascii-art Subject: Re: So, You Want To Make Text Art? Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 20:44:06 +0100 Lines: 24 Message-ID: <387E2B06.66@earthling.net> References: <8404ni$bve$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <386C9520.5C2E@earthling.net> <386e673e.0@206.103.97.91> <386EA280.25F9@earthling.net> <386F0346.9AB412B7@gtcom.net> <386F08E6.7BB1@earthling.net> <386f48ac.0@206.103.97.91> <386F7294.7C46@earthling.net> <84p7pi$gej$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <387494AA.3027@earthling.net> <387C3BCE.5D42@earthling.net> <387D07F9.464B@earthling.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: lambda72.sm.luth.se Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (X11; I; SunOS 5.7 sun4u) Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newsfeeds.belnet.be!news.belnet.be!news-FFM2.ecrc.net!news-MUC.ecrc.net!uio.no!news.kth.se!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.ascii-art:7680 Gerfried Fuchs wrote: > Veronica Karlsson wrote: > > Try Deja... > > You might have guessed - I did. But deja did show me just the replies, > I haven't found the tutorial itself. In the meantime JRO was so kind to > send it to me. > "View thread"? -- (, http://www.ludd.luth.se/~vk/cgi/asciichat/ /|__--__ . __--__ |\ '__ /|\ _{ _ `.' / `.,_ _________ | _________ _,.' (/ `. / ||``._.' ASCII ART CHAT! `---'|:||,/ .' /| /|:| \ .' /\ \ __ __ _ `/|'\' ` `,/ /`,\ \ \ / /__ _ _ ___ _ _ (_)__ __ _ /,'\ \ .'.' /| \ V / -_) '_/ _ \ ' \| / _/ _` | |\ `.`. ,' / / | \_/\___|_| \___/_||_|_\__\__,_| | \ \ `, - `- -- `-'- -ejm-------------------------------------VK-- -`-' -- -' - ###### From: ppunk@damnthatspam.hetnet.nl (Peter Punk) Subject: Re: So, You Want To Make Text Art? Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 23:35:33 +0100 Organization: Total Disorganisation Message-ID: References: <8404ni$bve$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <386C9520.5C2E@earthling.net> <386e673e.0@206.103.97.91> <386EA280.25F9@earthling.net> <386F0346.9AB412B7@gtcom.net> <386F08E6.7BB1@earthling.net> <386f48ac.0@206.103.97.91> <386F7294.7C46@earthling.net> <84p7pi$gej$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <38715D23.2966@earthling.net> <3871cf61.0@206.103.97.91> <84tcrr$43s$1@kujawiak.man.lodz.pl> <38728984.0@206.103.97.91> <38733EF4.7F76@TAKEOUTTHEGARBAGEyahoo.com> <387bae4b.19233264@news.vossnet.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.7/32.534 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Newsgroups: alt.ascii-art NNTP-Posting-Host: hrv0060-1.dial.wxs.nl 195.121.186.60 Lines: 22 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newscore.univie.ac.at!newsfeed1.uni2.dk!newsfeed.tli.de!newsfeed2.news.nl.uu.net!sun4nl!news1.kpn.net!master.news.hetnet.nl!news2.hetnet.nl Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.ascii-art:7770 On Wed, 12 Jan 2000 20:40:13 GMT, zneg.ngxvaf@ovtsbbg.pbz (Martin Atkins) provoked the following text: >.----- On Wed, 05 Jan 2000 12:54:14 GMT, llizard posted: >|Many who HAVE OE5 use another newsreader because of the >|limitations of OE5. I have grave doubts that you get e-mail from every >|reader of this newsgroup so your statistics cannot be correct. >'---------------------------------- > >Indeed, I use Free Agent for News postings, and Outlook Express (albeit >version 4) for Email. Personal Choice. I use FA for both email and news, i made that choice because it's easier not having to switch between 2 programs. BTW: Why did you choose the way you did, i miss that from your post. -- Peter Punk \ / ---\\\\--- / \ Automobile - A mechanical device that runs up hills and down people. ###### From: Ville Jouppi Newsgroups: alt.ascii-art Subject: Re: So, You Want To Make Text Art? Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 18:26:31 +0200 Organization: Arabuusimiehet Lines: 19 Message-ID: References: <8404ni$bve$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <4ej76scqklib28d7lvkdvce97dhq2j9jq2@4ax.com> <386f6bcc.23006563@news.concentric.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: vjouppi.pp.sci.fi Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.6/32.525 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!isdnet!newsfeed.icl.net!news.algonet.se!algonet!newsfeed1.swip.net!swipnet!newsfeed1.funet.fi!nntp.inet.fi!inet.fi!newsfeeds.saunalahti.fi!news.sci.fi!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.ascii-art:7839 On Thu, 06 Jan 2000 18:01:37 +0200, Jan-Erik Finnberg wrote: >On 5 Jan 2000 12:35:59 GMT, alfie@innocent.com (Gerfried Fuchs) wrote: > >> Well, on my C64 (which I prodly still have!) there are loads of >>combinations on the keys that are not standard at all, too ;)) > >Yes, but I think we can safely assume no-one posts here using a C64 >*knocks on wood* Nate Dannenberg (who has been a bit quiet lately) uses a C-128 for all his computing, but his art is still Ascii and not PetScii (which is the name for those gfx-symbols..) -- CBM, PEZ, and TI-calc nut, Scout, Glider pilot, Helpdesk-person Email: vjouppi@sci.fi, URL: http://www.sci.fi/~vjouppi/ GSM: +358-40-5679999, IRCNet: Jope "I see", said the blind man as he picked up his hammer and saw. ###### From: ppunk@damnthatspam.hetnet.nl (Peter Punk) Subject: Re: So, You Want To Make Text Art? Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 02:18:22 +0100 Organization: Total Disorganisation Message-ID: References: <386EA280.25F9@earthling.net> <386F0346.9AB412B7@gtcom.net> <386F08E6.7BB1@earthling.net> <386f48ac.0@206.103.97.91> <386F7294.7C46@earthling.net> <84p7pi$gej$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <38715D23.2966@earthling.net> <3871cf61.0@206.103.97.91> <84tcrr$43s$1@kujawiak.man.lodz.pl> <38728984.0@206.103.97.91> <38733EF4.7F76@TAKEOUTTHEGARBAGEyahoo.com> <387bae4b.19233264@news.vossnet.net> <38838b7a.14690048@news.vossnet.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.7/32.534 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Newsgroups: alt.ascii-art NNTP-Posting-Host: hrv0004-1.dial.wxs.nl 195.121.186.4 Lines: 27 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!EU.net!newsfeed2.news.nl.uu.net!sun4nl!news1.kpn.net!master.news.hetnet.nl!news1.hetnet.nl Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.ascii-art:7900 On Mon, 17 Jan 2000 23:03:47 GMT, zneg.ngxvaf@ovtsbbg.pbz (Martin Atkins) provoked the following text: >|>Indeed, I use Free Agent for News postings, and Outlook Express (albeit >|>version 4) for Email. Personal Choice. >|I use FA for both email and news, i made that choice because it's easier not >|having to switch between 2 programs. >The version of Free Agent that I use doesn't offer any more email facility >than sending an email, so I can't use it for email, really. >The main reason I'm still using OE for email is that I can't be bothered to >switch and it's doing the job just fine as it is. I switched to Free Agent >from Internet News back in the olden days, and carried on using it. I >continued to use Internet Mail until I installed Internet Explorer 4 and it >was upgraded to Outlook Express. Ah, okay. That's clear. I'm always curious why people make the choices they make. That's all :-) -- Peter Punk \ / ---\\\\--- / \ Light-year: a regular year without calories. ###### From: jsavard@domain.ctry (John Savard) Newsgroups: alt.ascii-art Subject: Re: So, You Want To Make Text Art? Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2000 14:40:02 GMT Organization: PowerSurfr - High Speed Internet Lines: 11 Message-ID: <38886f95.20293480@news.prosurfr.com> References: <386EA280.25F9@earthling.net> <386F0346.9AB412B7@gtcom.net> <386F08E6.7BB1@earthling.net> <386f48ac.0@206.103.97.91> <386F7294.7C46@earthling.net> <84p7pi$gej$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <38715D23.2966@earthling.net> <3871cf61.0@206.103.97.91> <84tcrr$43s$1@kujawiak.man.lodz.pl> <38728984.0@206.103.97.91> <38733EF4.7F76@TAKEOUTTHEGARBAGEyahoo.com> <387bae4b.19233264@news.vossnet.net> <38838b7a.14690048@news.vossnet.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: c9169-006.prosurfr.com X-Trace: burn.ab.videon.ca 948490584 30185 24.108.84.20 (21 Jan 2000 21:36:24 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@powersurfr.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 21 Jan 2000 21:36:24 GMT X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!newsfeeds.belnet.be!news.belnet.be!newsfeed.direct.ca!cyclone.bc.net!rover.ucs.ualberta.ca!news.ab.videon.ca!not-for-mail Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.ascii-art:7996 ppunk@damnthatspam.hetnet.nl (Peter Punk) wrote, in part: >Ah, okay. That's clear. >I'm always curious why people make the choices they make. That's all :-) As for myself, if I tried to use Free Agent for mail, I would not be able to use a spamblock in my postings without changing my E-mail address back and forth all the time. John Savard (jsavardecnabca) http://www.ecn.ab.ca/~jsavard/crypto.htm ###### Message-ID: <388A8A8F.AA4E49F2@microsoft.com> Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2000 12:58:55 +0800 From: Tony Cooper Reply-To: spam@misty.apana.org.au X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.12 i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.ascii-art Subject: Re: So, You Want To Make Text Art? References: <8404ni$bve$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <386C9520.5C2E@earthling.net> <386e673e.0@206.103.97.91> <386EA280.25F9@earthling.net> <386F0346.9AB412B7@gtcom.net> <386F08E6.7BB1@earthling.net> <386f48ac.0@206.103.97.91> <386F7294.7C46@earthling.net> <38744c0f.0@206.103.97.91> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: misty.apana.org.au X-Trace: 23 Jan 2000 13:02:35 +0800, misty.apana.org.au Lines: 14 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer1.nac.net!news.interpacket.net!news.ausmail.com!news.bne.ausbone.net!troll.apana.org.au!news.wa.apana.org.au!misty.apana.org.au Xref: chonsp.franklin.ch alt.ascii-art:8023 JRO wrote: > This is not really an International newsgroup, you know. It's American. > Usenet is American. You're even posting in English. correction usenet might be what you call news in America, it does not automatically make all newsgroups in the world American. America may have had the first network, but that means didely squat now mister so get off your high horse. funny how most Americans think that the US of A is all that counts. Who else in the world names something a World Series with only teams from that country in it? -- This information was created using 100% recycled electrons