From: Ben Norwood Newsgroups: alt.ascii-art Subject: Ascii Collection Now On-Line! Date: Wed, 8 Dec 1999 02:49:04 +0000 Organization: Virtually non-existant - OK? Lines: 42 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: xena.dcs.aber.ac.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Trace: dyfi.aber.ac.uk 944621348 8799 193.60.15.5 (8 Dec 1999 02:49:08 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@aber.ac.uk NNTP-Posting-Date: 8 Dec 1999 02:49:08 GMT X-Sender: bdn95@xena X-No-Archive: Yes Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!News.Amsterdam.UnisourceCS!uunet!ams.uu.net!grolier!news-raspail.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!news5-gui.server.ntli.net!ntli.net!server4.netnews.ja.net!aber!xena!bdn95 Righteo folks, I've been promising to create an ascii-art section of my website for ages now, and I've *finally* managed to get it coded/converted/running. 100% hand-coded in pico, it actually looks quite slick (well, it ought to since I've spent the past 5 hours on it...[1]), so feel free to go and have a look and let me know what you think. What? The URI? Oh yeah, nearly forgot :) _____________________________________________ |`. ,'| | `._____________________________________,' | | | | | | | http://www.aber.ac.uk/~bdn95/ascii/ | | | |_____________________________________| | | ,' `. | |,'_________________________________________`.| And for those interested in CSS, a copy of mine can be found at ______________________________________________ |`. ,'| | `.______________________________________,' | | | | | | | http://www.aber.ac.uk/~bdn95/css.txt | | | |______________________________________| | | ,' `. | |,'__________________________________________`.| --Ben [1] And most of that was spent on the ascii in the page banners... [2] [2] Converting " " to " " is no fun...especially when you're text-align=center 'ing it... -- Ben Norwood - the (ex-)Mad Biologist From Hell http://www.bigfoot.com/~bdn95/ bdn95 _@/" bigfoot.com ###### From: "JRO" Newsgroups: alt.ascii-art References: Subject: Re: Ascii Collection Now On-Line! Date: Wed, 8 Dec 1999 00:48:37 -0600 Lines: 53 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.226.27.15 Message-ID: <384dfd6f@206.103.97.91> X-Trace: 8 Dec 1999 00:40:47 -0600, 216.226.27.15 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!enews.sgi.com!news-feed.fnsi.net!netnews.com!news.voicenet.com!news.good.net!206.103.97.91!216.226.27.15 Ben Norwood wrote in message news:Pine.GSO.4.21.9912080234530.6521-100000@xena... > > Righteo folks, I've been promising to create an ascii-art section of my > website for ages now, and I've *finally* managed to get it > coded/converted/running. > > 100% hand-coded in pico, it actually looks quite slick (well, it ought > to since I've spent the past 5 hours on it...[1]), so feel free to go > and have a look and let me know what you think. > > What? The URI? Oh yeah, nearly forgot :) > > _____________________________________________ > |`. ,'| > | `._____________________________________,' | > | | | | > | | http://www.aber.ac.uk/~bdn95/ascii/ | | > | |_____________________________________| | > | ,' `. | > |,'_________________________________________`.| > > And for those interested in CSS, a copy of mine can be found at > > ______________________________________________ > |`. ,'| > | `.______________________________________,' | > | | | | > | | http://www.aber.ac.uk/~bdn95/css.txt | | > | |______________________________________| | > | ,' `. | > |,'__________________________________________`.| > > > --Ben > [1] And most of that was spent on the ascii in the page banners... [2] > [2] Converting " " to " " is no fun...especially when you're > text-align=center 'ing it... > > -- > Ben Norwood - the (ex-)Mad Biologist From Hell > http://www.bigfoot.com/~bdn95/ > bdn95 _@/" bigfoot.com > Nice to see you getting a page up, Ben. JRO ###### From: CJRandall Newsgroups: alt.ascii-art Subject: Re: Ascii Collection Now On-Line! Date: Wed, 8 Dec 1999 20:23:58 +0000 Organization: me? organised? Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: shieldwolf.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: shieldwolf.demon.co.uk:193.237.26.148 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 944685099 nnrp-04:18554 NO-IDENT shieldwolf.demon.co.uk:193.237.26.148 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike (32) Trial Version 4.01 Lines: 30 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!feed2.news.luth.se!luth.se!nntp.primenet.com!nntp.gctr.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!shieldwolf.demon.co.uk!colin Ben Norwood writes > >[1] And most of that was spent on the ascii in the page banners... [2] >[2] Converting " " to " " is no fun...especially when you're > text-align=center 'ing it... > [][ hi ... to avoid [2] above .. i do this :- 
          #        
    ##   ## ###    
   #  # # # #  #   
  #       # #  #   
  #       # ###    
  #   #   # # #    
  #  #    # #  #   
   ## #   # #  #   
     #   #      #  
     #  #          
      ##
BTW ... nice page [][ see yuz [][ colin -- . /\_/\ ( () |_ | |\| _/ |? .\ |\| |) .\ |_ |_ :( a a( CJRandall http://www.shieldwolf.demon.co.uk ' \___") <> ###### From: Ben Norwood Newsgroups: alt.ascii-art Subject: Re: Ascii Collection Now On-Line! Date: Wed, 8 Dec 1999 20:40:19 +0000 Organization: Virtually non-existant - OK? Lines: 24 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: xena.dcs.aber.ac.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Trace: dyfi.aber.ac.uk 944685620 8215 193.60.15.5 (8 Dec 1999 20:40:20 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@aber.ac.uk NNTP-Posting-Date: 8 Dec 1999 20:40:20 GMT X-Sender: bdn95@xena In-Reply-To: X-No-Archive: Yes Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!News.Amsterdam.UnisourceCS!skynet.be!news-lond.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!news5-gui.server.ntli.net!ntli.net!server4.netnews.ja.net!aber!xena!bdn95 On Today, CJRandall wrote: : Ben Norwood writes : > : >[1] And most of that was spent on the ascii in the page banners... [2] : >[2] Converting " " to " " is no fun...especially when you're : > text-align=center 'ing it... : > : [][ hi ... to avoid [2] above .. i do this :- : >snip< Yeah, I knew I'd have to get each line to be the same width, but when converting spaces to  's (especially on the 4-5 space periods between words) it's all too easy to miss one out/add an extra one and then spend ages trying to work out where the extra/missing space is (btw, if you peek at the code you'll find a 'plain' version commented out, using periods instead of spaces - a great reference tool ) -- Ben Norwood - the (ex-)Mad Biologist From Hell http://www.bigfoot.com/~bdn95/ bdn95 _@/" bigfoot.com ###### Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!usenet From: Neil Franklin Newsgroups: alt.ascii-art Subject: Re: Ascii Collection Now On-Line! Date: 08 Dec 1999 22:57:58 +0100 Organization: My own Private Self Lines: 41 Sender: neil@chonsp.franklin.ch Message-ID: <6u1z8xm6xl.fsf@chonsp.franklin.ch> References: X-Newsreader: Gnus v5.3/Emacs 19.34 Ben Norwood writes: > > On Today, CJRandall wrote: > > : Ben Norwood writes > : > > : >[2] Converting " " to " " is no fun...especially when you're > : > text-align=center 'ing it... > : > > : [][ hi ... to avoid [2] above .. i do this :- > > Yeah, I knew I'd have to get each line to be the same width, but when > converting spaces to  's (especially on the 4-5 space periods > between words) it's all too easy to miss one out/add an extra one > and Well then, don't convert them! The trick is in the ...... .....
Here your ASCII art with spaces
.... ...... bit. These two tags make the Browser display the exact number of spaces, instead of concatenating them like it usually does. And they switch to fixed width font at the same time. > (btw, if you peek at the code you'll find a 'plain' version commented > out, using periods instead of spaces - a great reference tool ) Only have an 'plain' version with real spaces. And use 
.

See the source of my home page (URL in sig) for an example.


--
Neil Franklin, neil@franklin.ch.remove http://neil.franklin.ch/

######

From: alfie@innocent.com (Gerfried Fuchs)
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Ben Norwood  wrote:
>  _____________________________________________
> |`.                                         ,'|
> |  `._____________________________________,'  |
> |   |                                     |   |
> |   | http://www.aber.ac.uk/~bdn95/ascii/ |   |
> |   |_____________________________________|   |
> |  ,'                                     `.  |
> |,'_________________________________________`.|
> 
> And for those interested in CSS, a copy of mine can be found at
> 
>  ______________________________________________
> |`.                                          ,'|
> |  `.______________________________________,'  |
> |   |                                      |   |
> |   | http://www.aber.ac.uk/~bdn95/css.txt |   |
> |   |______________________________________|   |
> |  ,'                                      `.  |
> |,'__________________________________________`.|
> 
> 
> --Ben
> [1] And most of that was spent on the ascii in the page banners... [2]
> [2] Converting " " to " " is no fun...especially when you're
>     text-align=center 'ing it...

 Converting is no problem at all, if you use the right tools. For you
are using pine&pico I assume that you are working on a unix-like OS.
There are PLENTY of tools that can help you there - one I'd prefer is
Vim[1] - Vi IMproved, a _much more_ powerful texteditor than pico (pico
is like notepad - no features at all....). But you can also do this with
sed, awk, perl and all the stuff. Hey, you have the possibility - don't
waste it!!

 Have fun!
[1] 
-- 
Gerfried Fuchs



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In article , Ben Norwood
 wrote:
> 
> On Today, CJRandall wrote:
> 
> : Ben Norwood writes
> : >
> : >[1] And most of that was spent on the ascii in the page banners... [2]
> : >[2] Converting " " to " " is no fun...especially when you're
> : >    text-align=center 'ing it...
> : >
> : [][ hi ... to avoid [2] above .. i do this :-
> :
> >snip<
> 
> Yeah, I knew I'd have to get each line to be the same width, but when
> converting spaces to  's (especially on the 4-5 space periods
> between words) it's all too easy to miss one out/add an extra one and
> then spend ages trying to work out where the extra/missing space is
> (btw, if you peek at the code you'll find a 'plain' version commented
> out, using periods instead of spaces - a great reference tool )
> 
> --
> Ben Norwood - the (ex-)Mad Biologist From Hell
>  http://www.bigfoot.com/~bdn95/
>   bdn95  _@/" bigfoot.com

and you've still missed one. I see you are using a table anyway...

      _____________________
     /                    /|
    /                    / |
   /____________________/ / 
  |_____________________|/|
   || ||              || ||
   || ||              || ||
   || ||              || ||
   ||                 || 
   ||                 ||

Why don't you let cellpadding be your friend? And as the others have
said, use the 
 tag for your ASCII-art.


 /\   ("  /"  "|"  "|"     /\   |")  "|"
/""\  _)  \_  _|_  _|_    /""\  |"\   | 


                                         \ 
                                          \,^^%---
                                          <\/  \ Please note that
                                          >      there is a space
                                          >^^    after the | on
                                         /|      the bottom of the
   ejm                                   | \     "T" so that the
                                                 banner will be
                                                 centered.


And don't forget to fill in those dimensions for your images! And do you
really want your alt tags to have no hint about what the image is?

Here is another attempt at making this post be on-topic:

empty picture frame on the table; wastebasket overfull of extraneous
 s

      ___--________________
     /  |[]|              /|
    /   '__'             / |
   /____________________/ /      bs
  |_____________________|/|    ,&bn;
   || ||              || ||    |`-'|
   || ||              || ||    |   |
   || ||              || ||    |   |
   ||                 ||       `._&;p
   ||                 ||          s
                                        n




NOTE: I never pick up my mail from the yahoo address. If you
are e-mailing and hit the reply button, add an "e" to "freent";
its absense is to stop the torment of automatic mailers.
--
       ___                        cq547@freene+.+oron+o.on.ca
     _/   |    ,^%---                         llizard aka ejm
    |_____|  __<_ \ Ben, it's very kind of you
      --- ==   >/   to link to my page. Thank you.
    [_____]  __>,^             ASCII-ar+ and ASCII-anima+ions
  ejm|   |  //| |         http://www.crosswinds.net/~llizard/

######

From: Ben Norwood 
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On Today, llizard wrote:

: and you've still missed one. I see you are using a table anyway...
>snip<






: Why don't you let cellpadding be your friend? And as the others have
: said, use the 
 tag for your ASCII-art.
: 
: 
:  /\   ("  /"  "|"  "|"     /\   |")  "|"
: /""\  _)  \_  _|_  _|_    /""\  |"\   | 
: 

:                                          \ 
:                                           \,^^%---
:                                           <\/  \ Please note that
:                                           >      there is a space
:                                           >^^    after the | on
:                                          /|      the bottom of the
:    ejm                                   | \     "T" so that the
:                                                  banner will be
:                                                  centered.
: 
: 
: And don't forget to fill in those dimensions for your images! And do you
: really want your alt tags to have no hint about what the image is?

For most images, I do let alt= specify what the image is, but since the
dollie/micro-flossies are just there for decoration purposes, I thought
using alt= to effectively 'hide' them from lynx was a better idea than
cluttering up the banner with [dollie] Page Title [dollie] (although I
suppose I could always use something like an asterisk that points to a
textfile containing an ascii of flossie/dollie...)

: 
: Here is another attempt at making this post be on-topic:
: 
: empty picture frame on the table; wastebasket overfull of extraneous
:  s
: 
:       ___--________________
:      /  |[]|              /|
:     /   '__'             / |
:    /____________________/ /      bs
:   |_____________________|/|    ,&bn;
:    || ||              || ||    |`-'|
:    || ||              || ||    |   |
:    || ||              || ||    |   |
:    ||                 ||       `._&;p
:    ||                 ||          s
:                                         n


     ___--________________
    /  |[]|  mm          /|
   /   '__' /_/ ===-    / |
  /____________________/ /      bs
 |_____________________|/|    ,&bn;
  || ||              || ||    |`-'|
  || ||              || ||    |   |
  || ||              || ||    |   |
,-||-,               ||       `._&;p
====='               ||          s
                                         n

Added a spiral-bound notebook and pencil (the *original* text-editing
tools) to make it even more topical, then for added 'geekiness' doctored
the table so as to have one 'wonky' leg - corrected in time-honoured
fashion by a textbook...

-- 
Ben Norwood - the (ex-)Mad Biologist From Hell
 http://www.bigfoot.com/~bdn95/
  bdn95  _@/" bigfoot.com

######

From: zneg.ngxvaf@ovtsbbg.pbz (Martin Atkins)
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.----- On Thu, 9 Dec 1999 14:48:02 +0000, Ben Norwood posted:
|
|For most images, I do let alt= specify what the image is, but since the
|dollie/micro-flossies are just there for decoration purposes, I thought
|using alt= to effectively 'hide' them from lynx was a better idea than
|cluttering up the banner with [dollie] Page Title [dollie] (although I
|suppose I could always use something like an asterisk that points to a
|textfile containing an ascii of flossie/dollie...)
|
'---------------------------------

It is generally a good idea to give purely decorational images and ALT="",
so that Lynx and other text-only browsers will disregard it. Any useful
image (such as those containing page titles or buttons) should usually have
the ALT text set to that text written on the button...


Page Title

Home

and those images that are related to the text in some way... well, that
depends on the circumstances. If it's just a photo of something mentioned in
the text, that's not really necessary, ALT="" is probably a good idea. If
it's an important diagram that forms part of an explaination or some such,
it might be worth linking to it with the image and giving it an ALT text to
the effect that it is a diagram of what it is, so that a Lynx user can
follow the link to download the image.

ObAscii:
.------------------------------------------------.
| HyperWeb version 2                   [_][O] [X]|
|-------------------------------------------+----|
|.-----. .-----. .-----. .-----. .-----.    |mga |
||| |HOME!| |FIND!| |STOP!|    | mga|
|'-----' '-----' '-----' '-----' '-----'    +----|
|------------------------------------------------|
| Address: [http://www.geoshitties.com/BoringVi] |
|------------------------------------------------|
| \  /[" |  |" /"\ |\ /| ["    Made for 5678x1000|
|================================================|
|Hom|      \    /[" |  /" /"\ |\/| ["       |Best|
|e  |       \/\/ |_ |_ \_ \_/ |  | |_       |View|
|Lin|                     T O               |ed  |
|ks |                   M Y                 |with|
|EMa|          | /  /"""\   /"""\  |        |the |
|il |          |/  /     \ /     \ |        |late|
|   |          |\  \     / \     / |        |st  |
|   |          | \  \___/   \___/  |____    |nift|
|   |                       S I T E!        |y   |
|------------------------------------------------|
|Ready.                                       [?]|
'------------------------------------------------'

Kind Regards,
-Martin
|\/| _..__|_o._   /\_|_| o._  _   mart.atkins@--
|  |(_||  |_|| | /--\|_|<|| |_>            --bigfoot.com

######

From: Ben Norwood 
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Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 13:21:01 +0000
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On Yesterday, Martin Atkins wrote:

: It is generally a good idea to give purely decorational images and ALT="",
: so that Lynx and other text-only browsers will disregard it.

Yeah, that's the general rational I currently use...

Hmmm, got to tidy up my site sometime for Lynx-users...although my site
is supposedly designed to be both GUI and Lynx-friendly, when I had a
peek at it the other day with Lynx, looks as though I need to find a way
to persuade Lynx to increase the spacing between table elements (extra
spaces between td's, extra br's between tr's) to compensate for Lynx's
poor rendering abilities (e.g. since it knows the number of characters
in each td, and the number of cols in each tr, surely it could work out
how many spaces to stick between td's to make the table extend across
the width of the terminal window (as opposed to the current strategy of
0-1 spaces between each td) - after all, Lynx can take a bunch of text,
and from the width of the terminal window and the text length, it can
work out how to render it in the centre of the window...)

[Somehow I get the impression that sticking  's/br's between
 and  or  and , which I think GUI browsers will ignore
but Lynx won't, will displease w3c's validator :( ]

ObAscii:

+------------------------------------------------------------------------+
| PAPGIWebroT - Pointless Ascii (Pseudo-Gui) Internet WWW Browser Thingy |
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(Hmmm, that acronym looks interesting )
(Actually, it was quite fun to produce - take the initial letters, then
start to expand a couple until you get something vagely pronouncable -
in this case, pap-gee-web-rot)

-- 
Ben Norwood - the (ex-)Mad Biologist From Hell
 http://www.bigfoot.com/~bdn95/
  bdn95  _@/" bigfoot.com

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From: "Buzz" 
Newsgroups: alt.ascii-art
Subject: Re: Ascii Collection Now On-Line!
Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 16:12:14 GMT
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Op Wed, 15 Dec 1999 13:21:01 +0000 schreef
Ben Norwood 
in 
in alt.ascii-art:

[adding &npsb; and 
 between table-elements in HTML, for Lynx.]

: [Somehow I get the impression that sticking  's/br's between
:  and  or  and , which I think GUI browsers will ignore

Many GUI browsers (IE4!) will _not_ ignore this trick... They will
render text, which is not properly embedded, _at the start_ of the
table!

Thus ''12345
AB
'' renders as:

''
 1
 2
 3
 4 
 5 
  A B
'' in IE 4.

: but Lynx won't, will displease w3c's validator :( ]

That too!

: ObAscii:

8<
     *
     !
    /A\
   //X\\
  //OAXO\
 /OX/A\X\\
//X//A\\XO\
     T
  //BvG\\

Merry X-mas,

Buzz.
-- 
This message exists of true and false bits entirely!

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From: joris bellenger 
Newsgroups: alt.ascii-art
Subject: Re: Ascii Collection Now On-Line!
Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 15:28:10 +0100
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Martin Atkins wrote:

> .----- On Thu, 9 Dec 1999 14:48:02 +0000, Ben Norwood posted:
> |
> |For most images, I do let alt= specify what the image is, but since the
> |dollie/micro-flossies are just there for decoration purposes, I thought
> |using alt= to effectively 'hide' them from lynx was a better idea than
> |cluttering up the banner with [dollie] Page Title [dollie] (although I
> |suppose I could always use something like an asterisk that points to a
> |textfile containing an ascii of flossie/dollie...)
> |
> '---------------------------------
>
> It is generally a good idea to give purely decorational images and ALT="",
> so that Lynx and other text-only browsers will disregard it. Any useful
> image (such as those containing page titles or buttons) should usually have
> the ALT text set to that text written on the button...
>
> 
Page Title

> Home

       Why on earth would you place an image
         between 
 tags???
               \_
                      /_,/\
                     /"   (
                    .Y___ /
                        \(
                         \\__
                         /  (\
                         |. ||\
                         |\ || \
                         ||\||  \
                        _||_||__ \
                       /,/,   \ )/)
                        \/\/// //||
                          ((  (( ||
                           \\  \\||
                          __\\ _\\(
                 b'ger  ///_ ///__)

joris

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From: Veronica Karlsson 
Newsgroups: alt.ascii-art
Subject: Re: Ascii Collection Now On-Line!
Date: Sat, 18 Dec 1999 21:30:10 +0100
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joris bellenger wrote:
> Ool wrote:
> > joris bellenger wrote:
> > > Martin Atkins wrote:
> >
> > > > 
Page Title

> > > > Home
> >
> > >        Why on earth would you place an image
> > >          between 
 tags???
> >
> > So Lynx displays the alternative text highlighted.
> > You ascii guys should know about Lynx.
> > Don't you?
> 
>            Why on earth would I want
>           highlighted alternative text
>            in Lynx? Alternative text was
>            never meant to be highlihgted.

"Highligted"? I get 
 text centered in Lynx.   :-)

> 
>           The 
 tag is meant to
>            contain text not an image.
>            You Lynx guys should know
>              about HTML. Don't you?

The 
 tag is meant to contain a _header_. If the image _is_ a header
(e.g. a logo), why not mark it up as such (also,  is text-level
markup, so in a way I guess one could say that an image _is_ text in
html...).



-- 
    (,         http://www.ludd.luth.se/~vk/cgi/asciichat/
    /|__--__                       .                        __--__
    |\ '__                        /|\                        _{ _ 
    `.' / `.,_ _________           |           _________ _,.' (/ `.
    /  ||``._.'             ASCII ART CHAT!             `---'|:||,/
  .'   /|                                                   /|:| \
.'    /\ \         __   __                _                 `/|'\'
 ` `,/ /`,\        \ \ / /__ _ _ ___ _ _ (_)__ __ _         /,'\ \
   .'.'  /|         \ V / -_) '_/ _ \ ' \| / _/ _` |        |\  `.`.
 ,' /   / |          \_/\___|_| \___/_||_|_\__\__,_|        | \   \ `,
- `- -- `-'- -ejm-------------------------------------VK-- -`-' -- -' -

######

From: joris bellenger 
Newsgroups: alt.ascii-art
Subject: Re: Ascii Collection Now On-Line!
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Veronica Karlsson wrote:

> joris bellenger wrote:
> > Ool wrote:
> > > joris bellenger wrote:
> > > > Martin Atkins wrote:
> > >
> > > > > 
Page Title

> > > > > Home
> > >
> > > >        Why on earth would you place an image
> > > >          between 
 tags???
> > >
> > > So Lynx displays the alternative text highlighted.
> > > You ascii guys should know about Lynx.
> > > Don't you?
> >
> >            Why on earth would I want
> >           highlighted alternative text
> >            in Lynx? Alternative text was
> >            never meant to be highlihgted.
>
> "Highligted"? I get 
 text centered in Lynx.   :-)
>
> >
> >           The 
 tag is meant to
> >            contain text not an image.
> >            You Lynx guys should know
> >              about HTML. Don't you?
>
> The 
 tag is meant to contain a _header_. If the image _is_ a header
> (e.g. a logo), why not mark it up as such (also,  is text-level
> markup, so in a way I guess one could say that an image _is_ text in
> html...).
>

Gaaaaarhg! I can't believe you wrote that.

But let's not start an endless discussion about HTML and
let's go back to what really matters: drawing ascii art pics
.... HEY! Gif's are pics too, so in a way I guess one could say
that a Gif _is_ a pic in ascii art. Right!?

joris

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joris bellenger wrote:
> Veronica Karlsson wrote:
> > joris bellenger wrote:

> > >           The 
 tag is meant to
> > >            contain text not an image.
> >
> > so in a way I guess one could say that an image _is_ text in html...).
> 
> Gaaaaarhg! I can't believe you wrote that.
> 
> But let's not start an endless discussion about HTML

May I suggest a more suitable forum:

http://www.ludd.luth.se/~vk/cgi/asciichat/


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    /|__--__                       .                        __--__
    |\ '__                        /|\                        _{ _ 
    `.' / `.,_ _________           |           _________ _,.' (/ `.
    /  ||``._.'             ASCII ART CHAT!             `---'|:||,/
  .'   /|                                                   /|:| \
.'    /\ \         __   __                _                 `/|'\'
 ` `,/ /`,\        \ \ / /__ _ _ ___ _ _ (_)__ __ _         /,'\ \
   .'.'  /|         \ V / -_) '_/ _ \ ' \| / _/ _` |        |\  `.`.
 ,' /   / |          \_/\___|_| \___/_||_|_\__\__,_|        | \   \ `,
- `- -- `-'- -ejm-------------------------------------VK-- -`-' -- -' -

######

From: zneg.ngxvaf@ovtsbbg.pbz (Martin Atkins)
Newsgroups: alt.ascii-art
Subject: Re: Ascii Collection Now On-Line!
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.----- On Fri, 17 Dec 1999 23:16:43 +0100, Ool posted:
|joris bellenger  wrote in message news:385A487A.7C6ECEF5@xs4all.nl...
|> Martin Atkins wrote:
|
|> > 
Page Title

|> > Home
|
|>        Why on earth would you place an image
|>          between 
 tags???
|
|So Lynx displays the alternative text highlighted.
|You ascii guys should know about Lynx.
|Don't you?
|
|What kind of a headline is "Page Title," though?
|
'-------------------------

An example kind of heading. Obviously, you'd include the text of the heading
that is in the image.

Kind Regards,
-Martin
|\/| _..__|_o._   /\_|_| o._  _   mart.atkins@--
|  |(_||  |_|| | /--\|_|<|| |_>            --bigfoot.com

######

From: zneg.ngxvaf@ovtsbbg.pbz (Martin Atkins)
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.----- On Fri, 17 Dec 1999 15:28:10 +0100, joris bellenger posted:
|Martin Atkins wrote:
|
|> .----- On Thu, 9 Dec 1999 14:48:02 +0000, Ben Norwood posted:
|> |
|> |For most images, I do let alt= specify what the image is, but since the
|> |dollie/micro-flossies are just there for decoration purposes, I thought
|> |using alt= to effectively 'hide' them from lynx was a better idea than
|> |cluttering up the banner with [dollie] Page Title [dollie] (although I
|> |suppose I could always use something like an asterisk that points to a
|> |textfile containing an ascii of flossie/dollie...)
|> |
|> '---------------------------------
|>
|> It is generally a good idea to give purely decorational images and ALT="",
|> so that Lynx and other text-only browsers will disregard it. Any useful
|> image (such as those containing page titles or buttons) should usually have
|> the ALT text set to that text written on the button...
|>
|> 
Page Title

|> Home
|
|       Why on earth would you place an image
|         between 
 tags???
'--------------------------

Because that image is being a heading.


ASCII Art


That image would of course have some kind of stylistically written word
'ASCII Art'.

Kind Regards,
-Martin
|\/| _..__|_o._   /\_|_| o._  _   mart.atkins@--
|  |(_||  |_|| | /--\|_|<|| |_>            --bigfoot.com