From: no@spam.please.com (Arcain) Newsgroups: alt.ascii-art Subject: Question Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 20:50:43 GMT Organization: UUNET WorldCom server (post doesn't reflect views of UUNET WorldCom Lines: 3 Message-ID: <37b0904e.50457213@news.dial.pipex.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: userm835.uk.uudial.com X-Trace: lure.pipex.net 934318365 17794 193.149.80.123 (10 Aug 1999 20:52:45 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@uk.uu.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 10 Aug 1999 20:52:45 GMT X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!news.belnet.be!newspump.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!bore.news.pipex.net!pipex!not-for-mail Whenever someone posts to this group they always quote the entire message. I usually delete it. Should I leave it on for any reason? (is it better for UNIX newsreaders?) ###### From: clover@easystreet.con (Clover) Newsgroups: alt.ascii-art Subject: Re: Question Message-ID: <37b0a445.7630100@news.easystreet.com> References: <37b0904e.50457213@news.dial.pipex.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Lines: 27 NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.103.58.132 X-Trace: typ12.nn.bcandid.com 934323446 206.103.58.132 (Tue, 10 Aug 1999 18:17:26 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 18:17:26 EDT Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 22:17:20 GMT Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!isdnet!howland.erols.net!hub1.ispnews.com!gate.bcandid.com!typ12.nn.bcandid.com.POSTED!not-for-mail On Tue, 10 Aug 1999 20:50:43 GMT, no@spam.please.com (Arcain) quoth: >Whenever someone posts to this group they always quote the entire message. I >usually delete it. Should I leave it on for any reason? (is it better for UNIX >newsreaders?) No, it's just common courtesy; sometimes people aren't sure whether their messages went through correctly, or can't see them in their newsreader, so it's nice to quote at least a bit of their original message when replying. Also, it gives other readers a more clear idea of what you're talking about. At least, I know it always helps me. It is annoying, though, in my opinion, when people quote long messages in their entirety and then respond with only a couple sentences of their own. How bothersome. :*/ --Clover, who's probably guilty of this, too. -- __ ,=. ,=" "==.__.=" o".___ ___ _ ,=.=." ___/ / __| |_____ _____ _ _ ,==.," \ \ ,==="" | (__| / o\ V / -_) '_| > ,==.==,"'"=\_/====" \___|_\___/\_/\___|_| `==' @easystreet.com ###### From: Veronica Karlsson Newsgroups: alt.ascii-art Subject: Re: Question Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 10:07:11 +0200 Organization: University of Lulea, Sweden Message-ID: <37B12F2F.2BA5@earthling.net> References: <37b0904e.50457213@news.dial.pipex.com> <37b0a445.7630100@news.easystreet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: my21.sm.luth.se Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (X11; I; SunOS 5.7 sun4u) Lines: 30 Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!enews.sgi.com!logbridge.uoregon.edu!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!newsfeed.icl.net!news.algonet.se!algonet!feed2.news.luth.se!luth.se!news.luth.se!not-for-mail Clover wrote: > Arcain quoth: > >Whenever someone posts to this group they always quote the entire message. I > >usually delete it. Should I leave it on for any reason? (is it better for UNIX > >newsreaders?) > > No, it's just common courtesy; sometimes people aren't sure whether > their messages went through correctly, or can't see them in their > newsreader, so it's nice to quote at least a bit of their original > message when replying. Also, remember that this is alt.ascii-art. Often the message you reply to contains just a picture, or a picture with a few short comments. Then there may be many _lines_ of text, but it may still feel relevant to quote the entire thing. I don't see why unix news readers would be different from other news readers though. -- (, http://www.ludd.luth.se/~vk/cgi/asciichat/ /|__--__ . __--__ |\ '__ /|\ _{ _ `.' / `.,_ _________ | _________ _,.' (/ `. / ||``._.' ASCII ART CHAT! `---'|:||,/ .' /| /|:| \ .' /\ \ __ __ _ `/|'\' ` `,/ /`,\ \ \ / /__ _ _ ___ _ _ (_)__ __ _ /,'\ \ .'.' /| \ V / -_) '_/ _ \ ' \| / _/ _` | |\ `.`. ,' / / | \_/\___|_| \___/_||_|_\__\__,_| | \ \ `, - `- -- `-'- -ejm-------------------------------------VK-- -`-' -- -' - ###### Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!usenet From: Neil Franklin Newsgroups: alt.ascii-art Subject: Re: Question Date: 11 Aug 1999 20:24:21 +0200 Organization: My own Private Self Lines: 46 Sender: neil@chonsp.franklin.ch Message-ID: <6uaeryjhuy.fsf@chonsp.franklin.ch> References: <37b0904e.50457213@news.dial.pipex.com> X-Newsreader: Gnus v5.3/Emacs 19.34 no@spam.please.com (Arcain) writes: > > Whenever someone posts to this group they always quote the entire message. I > usually delete it. Properly one on all newsgrouops (and mailing lists and private mail) should quote enough for the reader to recognize what post/mail one is following on from, and preferably also to what part of it one is responding. The "what part" is the problematic one for a.a-a, because posts often do not contain discussions but rather just one bit of artwork. Cutting it down to an small bit that captures its point is difficult. So full quotes are accepted here. I do though find it annoying though, due to being used to consise quoting on other groups. But I am getting used to it. I would still like it if people were a bit more consise. > Should I leave it on for any reason? (is it better for UNIX > newsreaders?) Actually nothing to do with Unix. Rather it is for non-threaded news-readers. In these the user does not see an threaded view, rather they just get all posts of one thread ordered by time. So the do not see what othe rpost a post is following up from. Such readers are far more common than generally thought, because lots of old stuff is still in use (particularly by a.a-a readers) and because some people dislike threaded view and so switch it off even where it is available. Threading can lead to many-generation followups written after other side branches being sorted before them, and so the reader sees stuff that may side reference posts not yet read, this confuses or annoys some readers, particularly long time ones. Later the older side line has an deja-vu feeling to it. -- Neil Franklin, Nerd, Geek, Unix Wizzard and Guru, Hacker, Mystic neil@franklin.ch.remove http://neil.franklin.ch/ Computer: toy that speeds work, so you have more time to play with it ###### From: spunk1111@aol.comQQ (Spunk1111) Newsgroups: alt.ascii-art Subject: Re: Question Lines: 26 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 11 Aug 1999 22:14:10 GMT References: <6uaeryjhuy.fsf@chonsp.franklin.ch> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990811181410.14989.00000080@ng-fu1.aol.com> Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!News.Amsterdam.UnisourceCS!skynet.be!news.algonet.se!algonet!newsfeed.tli.de!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.239.227!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Yes. know what I'm talking about?? probably not. That's why you ought to include some part of the referring post. >Message-id: <6uaeryjhuy.fsf@chonsp.franklin.ch> >> Whenever someone posts to this group they always quote the entire message. >I >> usually delete it. >> Should I leave it on for any reason? -joan -- _.-----._ * .' .-'``|'. * / / -*- \ joan stark | ; <{ | ; | spunk1111@juno.com -*- | _\ | | -*- | ; _\ -*- | ; | \ \ | -*- / ASCII ART GALLERY: * jgs '._ '.__ |_.' http://www.ascii-art.com '-----' ###### From: Arcain Newsgroups: alt.ascii-art Subject: Re: Question Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 09:53:59 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 16 Message-ID: <7ou5jl$qfl$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <37b0904e.50457213@news.dial.pipex.com> <37b0a445.7630100@news.easystreet.com> <37B12F2F.2BA5@earthling.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.92.194.44 X-Article-Creation-Date: Thu Aug 12 09:53:59 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; Windows 95; DigExt) X-Http-Proxy: NetCache@www-cache.pol.co.uk: Version 3.4D6, 1.1 x34.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 62.136.59.121, 195.92.194.44 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDarcain Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!News.Amsterdam.UnisourceCS!skynet.be!iad-peer.news.verio.net!news.verio.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail Veronica Karlsson wrote: >> Arcain quoth: >> Whenever someone posts to this group they always quote the entire >> message. I usually delete it. Should I leave it on for any reason? >> (is it better for UNIX newsreaders?) [snip] > I don't see why unix news readers would be different from other news > readers though. I just meant that UNIX command-line newsreaders would be the most likely ones not to show threads. All the readers I've seen can do threads, but there aren't any text readers installed on my UNIX box so I can't try them out. Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. ###### From: alfie@innocent.com (Gerfried Fuchs) Newsgroups: alt.ascii-art Subject: Re: Question Date: 12 Aug 1999 10:33:02 GMT Organization: Siemens AG Austria Lines: 19 Message-ID: References: <37b0904e.50457213@news.dial.pipex.com> <37b0a445.7630100@news.easystreet.com> <37B12F2F.2BA5@earthling.net> <7ou5jl$qfl$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: pc9601.sie.siemens.at X-Trace: scesie13.sie.siemens.at 934453982 29149 195.1.135.123 (12 Aug 1999 10:33:02 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news@siemens.at NNTP-Posting-Date: 12 Aug 1999 10:33:02 GMT User-Agent: slrn/0.9.5.7 (Windows) Path: chonsp.franklin.ch!pfaff.ethz.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!news-ge.switch.ch!isdnet!howland.erols.net!newspeer.monmouth.com!newshunter!cosy.sbg.ac.at!newsfeed.Austria.EU.net!news.siemens.at!alfie Arcain wrote: > I just meant that UNIX command-line newsreaders would be the most > likely ones not to show threads. All the readers I've seen can do > threads, but there aren't any text readers installed on my UNIX box so > I can't try them out. You are joking, right? 8-))) Ever tried a look at slrn [1] or trn, just to name 2 that does it? And I was told that there is a newsreader called pan or so using the gtk-widget set that can even handly multi-part binaries really well (although, slrn can do that also and pan is a graphical interface and not text reader). If you don't believe just take a look at the screenshots at the slrn [1] page - btw: slrn is also available for win32 *smirks* So long! Gerfried Fuchs aka Alfie [posted with slrn 0.9.5.7 from a winNT-box] [1] http://space.mit.edu/~davis/slrn.html